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The Origins Podcast

The Origins Podcast

Күн бұрын

Jim Simons joins Lawrence for a fascinating new and different take on the life of a man best known to the public for becoming a billionaire by using techniques from mathematics and statistics to revolutionize investing, but who has had numerous other careers, as a brilliant mathematician, academic leader, code breaker and science philanthropist. In this wide ranging discussion, you’ll learn about the influences that led Simons to be a mathematician, as well as how he learned and developed the tools that he has used throughout his career. Jim and Lawrence also discuss how the techniques that he uses can be applied to other industries as well as the importance of the public’s understanding of science and the work that Simons does through his foundation.
James Harris Simons is an American mathematician, billionaire hedge fund manager, and philanthropist. He is the founder of Renaissance Technologies, a quantitative hedge fund based in East Setauket, New York. He and his fund are known to be quantitative investors, using mathematical models and algorithms to make investment gains from market inefficiencies. Due to the long-term aggregate investment returns of Renaissance and its Medallion Fund, Simons is described as the "greatest investor on Wall Street," and more specifically "the most successful hedge fund manager of all time."
As reported by Bloomberg Billionaires Index, Simons' net worth is estimated to be $25.2 billion, making him the 66th-richest person in the World
Simons is known for his studies on pattern recognition and for his more formal work in geometry, topology and differential forms. He developed the Chern-Simons form (with Shiing-Shen Chern), and contributed to the development of string theory by providing a theoretical framework to combine geometry and topology with quantum field theory.[8] In 1994, Simons founded the Simons Foundation with his wife to support researches in mathematics and fundamental sciences. He is one of the biggest donors to the University of California, Berkeley, establishing the Simons Institute for the Theory of Computing in 2012, and to Berkeley's Mathematical Sciences Research Institute, where he serves as a member of the board of trustees.
In 2016, asteroid 6618 Jimsimons, discovered by Clyde Tombaugh in 1936, was named after Simons by the International Astronomical Union in honor of his contributions to mathematics and philanthropy.
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The Origins Podcast, a production of The Origins Project Foundation, features in-depth conversations with some of the most interesting people in the world about the issues that impact all of us in the 21st century. Host, theoretical physicist, lecturer, and author, Lawrence M. Krauss, will be joined by guests from a wide range of fields, including science, the arts, and journalism. The topics discussed on The Origins Podcast reflect the full range of the human experience - exploring science and culture in a way that seeks to entertain, educate, and inspire.
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@truthseeker2156
@truthseeker2156 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t imagine how difficult it is for Jim simons to be too intelligent, he always has to dumb himself down a little to be interesting for us common folks this guy is the real deal the smartest billionaire in the world no cap
@Little-bird-told-me
@Little-bird-told-me 2 жыл бұрын
Jim Simons is a genius. It great to part of generation to see these legends walk amongst us.
@hosseinmohammadi2800
@hosseinmohammadi2800 2 ай бұрын
In total, this episode was really great, the questions were new, i wish you had let jim talk more about theblac box and medical community. He rarely encounters an intresting question like that
@akshaydalvi2317
@akshaydalvi2317 Жыл бұрын
Boss move! Lighting up a cigarette and smoking in style with calm confidence! Legend!
@ryan_chew97
@ryan_chew97 2 жыл бұрын
damn, you managed to get Jim Simons on before Lex did. Awesome discussion. Can't wait for Lex to do it as well! Or Sean Carroll or Weinstein, whichever.
@sorooshb007
@sorooshb007 2 жыл бұрын
That's crazyyy isn't!!! It's so rare to see Simons appearing in public
@phillaysheo8
@phillaysheo8 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Harvey Weinstein would be great
@rodneysmith4945
@rodneysmith4945 7 ай бұрын
I love that Jim is rippin a heater
@chrismoneystl
@chrismoneystl 2 ай бұрын
😂
@herikaniugu
@herikaniugu Жыл бұрын
Listening to Jim Simons while I am coding my own algo 😊
@shreyashmaheshwari9895
@shreyashmaheshwari9895 Ай бұрын
github?
@williamjmccartan8879
@williamjmccartan8879 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you both very much, great discussion.
@paulbk7810
@paulbk7810 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful window into the world of minds. Both Lawrence's and Jim's. Both are my fave kind of humans. Deep intellect and not pretentious loudmouths. I would be content to be the guy who makes their coffee and carries their bags. fyi.. I'm retired nuclear operations engineer, 40 yrs. Design, build, and operate nuclear power plants. For much of the time I wrote post TMI emergency operating procedures that took into account lessons learned from TMI.
@ozgurbirey5402
@ozgurbirey5402 2 жыл бұрын
Superb!!!! ...... Millions thanks to Mr. Lawrence and Mr. Simons...Really enjoyable podcast...Thanks again and again...
@sfulmer430
@sfulmer430 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed that conversation. Thank you both for taking the time.
@jackbower2204
@jackbower2204 2 жыл бұрын
Very good interview, Jim Simons is a legend. Thank you for this Lawrence,
@derMcSven
@derMcSven 2 жыл бұрын
great interview, rare to see long interviews with Jim Simons
@lizgichora6472
@lizgichora6472 Жыл бұрын
This is so enlightening and timely; Quantum Science, Quantum physics and neuroscience brings us closer to progress. Thank you for an awesome discussion Dr Jim Simons and Dr Lawrence Krauss.
@NotTheMaestro
@NotTheMaestro 2 жыл бұрын
I love listening to both of these 2 so at the same time, what more could you ask for!
@raglandroad
@raglandroad 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyable discussion, thanks.
@NVSTx
@NVSTx Жыл бұрын
This man is brilliant, the knowledge that is needed to even understand what he says is insane, we’ve tried to break it down in our video, hopefully it will give you a better view of how you can learn and do exactly like Jim
@ADVtheMISSIONARY
@ADVtheMISSIONARY 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of interesting discussion, thanks for the video
@apothekede
@apothekede 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot - many great stuff indeed there. Very wise stuff really... Thank you!
@dancooper8551
@dancooper8551 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating interview!!
@vijfmei4720
@vijfmei4720 9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the talk. As a doctor I should add, physicians are suppose to be scientist and scientist first, but they should learn and use the art communication, mechanics( like surgeons), psychology, statistics, social and philosophy( moral decisions that sometime you got to make) and apply them to the patients or/and public health. Again thank you very much for the interview. If I may make a suggestion, it would be nice if less interrupt the interviewee. Very interesting interview with a very interesting person! Thank you.
@MrOreoman11
@MrOreoman11 2 жыл бұрын
I wish Lawrence would just shut up and let the genius talk
@phillaysheo8
@phillaysheo8 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I got fed up with this. Krauss is an interesting person. But his guest is Simmons. And he should let Simmons talk.
@paultraynorbsc627
@paultraynorbsc627 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lawrence much appreciated thanks for sharing 👍👍🍷☕🍺
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact. . . A typesetting machine manufacturer in the 1960s, “Photon”, based in the Boston area, had a facsimile Helvetica font named. . . Newton. . .
@akkalange6359
@akkalange6359 2 жыл бұрын
:)
@AlexandertheGreat033
@AlexandertheGreat033 3 ай бұрын
Great podcast. A good listen!
@MMAoracle
@MMAoracle 2 жыл бұрын
I recommend reading "the man who solved the market". A real page turner.
@joeo5533
@joeo5533 2 жыл бұрын
What camera and lens are you using? Looks great
@Knowledge_is_Power911
@Knowledge_is_Power911 2 жыл бұрын
love this episode.. really high quality stuff! also the episode with global warming really helped me look at things in a diffrent way
@wasdwasdedsf
@wasdwasdedsf 2 жыл бұрын
what different way
@freethecat4505
@freethecat4505 Жыл бұрын
1:30:07 what does Jim say here in response to Lawrence?
@eddierosario1537
@eddierosario1537 2 жыл бұрын
Living legend
@ninadesianti9587
@ninadesianti9587 2 жыл бұрын
Another great interview! As always! Thank you! I really enjoyed it.
@mrpaddingtonn
@mrpaddingtonn Жыл бұрын
A travesty to see a couple sharing their life to have millions of subscribers and this channel only 120k. but also consistent with nature where most are spectators while a tiny bit are creators. Anyway, great podcast and interview. Thanks for sharing
@keithdow8327
@keithdow8327 4 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@xxxs8309
@xxxs8309 2 ай бұрын
What an amazing individual
@JDHobbs
@JDHobbs 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing interview. Perhaps only the interested rich can save universities, or create alternative institutes, for science based in intelligence rather than diversity.
@shanihandel9621
@shanihandel9621 2 жыл бұрын
OMGOSH, he's one of my dad's best friends. Hey Jimmy!
@fisherh9111
@fisherh9111 8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Your dad is a lucky guy.
@etsfeenj4807
@etsfeenj4807 Жыл бұрын
L.K. repeatedly throughout the interview kept interrupting Simon's (slow) thought and speaking flow and incipient responses, which was a frustrating loss. Simons was the person of MAJOR interest. L.K. also took way too much of the interview-time inserting and talking about himself, along with repeatedly muddling aloud (mostly to himself) about both what next questions to ask and confusedly groping to formulate them. These patterns are common to many of the interviews. L.K. seems a friendly and appealing guy, and gets good guests, but he is not a very good conversational-interviewer in so far as drawing the guest out and letting them incipiently reveal and go in their own way at their own pace and into their own response-space. He obviously has a list of questions and an agenda for the conversations, but in intruding and asserting them he often ends up impairing the quality and flow and duration and spontaneity of the guest's reveals and responses. L.K. should carefully listen to and study-learn from how Terry Gross does it.
@novakdjokovis
@novakdjokovis 2 жыл бұрын
this guy should be king prolly though, he even looks cool smoking at 82
@mesutalakoc2191
@mesutalakoc2191 6 ай бұрын
It a big Pleausere to watch great Person mr Jim Simon.
@jackwesh2976
@jackwesh2976 Жыл бұрын
Lawrence talking too much, you leave knowing more about Lawrence than Jim.. let the man speak man. That’s why we are here
@joseph-jg2ie
@joseph-jg2ie 7 ай бұрын
😂
@amid_invests
@amid_invests 4 ай бұрын
100% agree! He is annoying too
@scottstensland
@scottstensland 20 күн бұрын
No ... Krauss lights a fire under Jim ... Eric Weinstein would have been a fantastic interviewer of Jim ... for context lookup Eric's chat with Roger Penrose which is epic
@imtryinghere1
@imtryinghere1 18 күн бұрын
Lawrence is clearly brilliant but involves himself too much in the discussion. imo.
@MagnusAnand
@MagnusAnand 10 күн бұрын
Do you want an interview or a conversation?
@librulcunspirisy
@librulcunspirisy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@anshulnegi6129
@anshulnegi6129 2 жыл бұрын
big fan lawrence
@kapratnapriya228
@kapratnapriya228 3 ай бұрын
Great discussion 😅
@marcwhite6267
@marcwhite6267 Жыл бұрын
What cigarette brand does he smoke? I need to know which cigarettes would boost my IQ and math skills.
@arthurswanson3285
@arthurswanson3285 7 ай бұрын
Merit.
@harmailsidhu1906
@harmailsidhu1906 Жыл бұрын
Not a smoker, but super smart guys who smoke seem so damn cool!!
@noob_gamer482
@noob_gamer482 2 жыл бұрын
I want to ask.. how do i contact jim simons please if you can tell me
@johnsmolley1941
@johnsmolley1941 4 ай бұрын
Interesting that Simons should say that machine learning has been around for 15 years. I vividly remember learning about neural nets in the early nineties as a post doc and the tech was sufficiently robust to beat paramutual horse betting (as an example). I also remember that even early on, there have been programs that can out perform any medical diagnostician (that may have been more a matter of brute force than pure AI as we are talking 3 decades ago).. Anyhow, I was intrigued by these neural bets, but had to go and complete a medical residency and had more or less forgotten about them until a few years ago. Why the machine learning should all of a sudden explode is curious. Most days I'm not sure what to worry about more: AI or Global Warming?
@WebbiestZeus
@WebbiestZeus 2 жыл бұрын
The good ol' slow horse, fast lady paradox.
@dannykim6112
@dannykim6112 2 жыл бұрын
Two heavyweights right here
@SamOgilvieJr
@SamOgilvieJr 5 ай бұрын
It would be nice if the interviewer, no matter how accomplished, would remain silent and let Jim Simons speak his mind. I came here to learn about Jim Simons, not the interviewer and his thoughts about their connections, etc., with all due respect.
@chesstictacs3107
@chesstictacs3107 2 жыл бұрын
My man is aging but still sharp as a tack
@wilspu5590
@wilspu5590 Жыл бұрын
Snouts don’t help
@robertcliffort2354
@robertcliffort2354 Жыл бұрын
great
@JobayerJisan
@JobayerJisan 2 жыл бұрын
woderful talk
@olliemoore11
@olliemoore11 2 жыл бұрын
from a woderful man
@vikinghiphop3771
@vikinghiphop3771 2 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see the GZA this podcast
@generaltheory
@generaltheory 12 күн бұрын
And Snoop
@georgespence4726
@georgespence4726 5 ай бұрын
Lmao first time I’ve seen someone smoking on an interview 😂😂😂
@randomdude7384
@randomdude7384 2 жыл бұрын
nooo waaaaaaaay!!!
@amdave76
@amdave76 19 күн бұрын
Gotta love how he lights up during the convo. Dude was just a boss.
@dstgre
@dstgre Жыл бұрын
Can we edit out the background music please? You will be turning things into pharma ads by adding music. But ... this this really an ad?
@joeo5533
@joeo5533 2 жыл бұрын
Where are you? Flagstaff?
@jacklcooper3216
@jacklcooper3216 2 жыл бұрын
I could not define my father by the job he had (He was upper management in the New Zealand railways ,,a leader of the workers) He was multi sectored Carpenter Logger Meat processor Famer Soldier friend. And much more than his job
@fondofthebonds4914
@fondofthebonds4914 11 ай бұрын
Here we see Lawrence interviewong Lawrence.
@AllemandInstable
@AllemandInstable Ай бұрын
what the fuck ? no ? it's not because he sometimes links what Jim Simons says to his personal experience that it makes a self interview, this is such an unfair disgraceful comment
@zlatanibrahimovic8329
@zlatanibrahimovic8329 Жыл бұрын
40:00
@collegesandcannibals241
@collegesandcannibals241 2 жыл бұрын
Admirable man, Simons. This would be an excellent episode if there were not so many fucking adverts.
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 2 жыл бұрын
You Tube Premium, at $15/month, is well worth it. One still gets the embedded ads that some (greedy) tubers insert
@collegesandcannibals241
@collegesandcannibals241 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Bram.
@LoudSodaCaleb
@LoudSodaCaleb 2 жыл бұрын
Just get ublock origins
@flattblackcopper4558
@flattblackcopper4558 2 жыл бұрын
Billionaire with a spotty wifi connection, 😂
@arthurswanson3285
@arthurswanson3285 7 ай бұрын
😂
@Alexander_Sannikov
@Alexander_Sannikov 2 жыл бұрын
i really like these podcasts. but practically every single one feels rushed towards the end. i wish you did 3-4 hours when needed like lex fridman does, so the he has enough time to ask all the interesting (and not) questions.
@chrismoneystl
@chrismoneystl 2 ай бұрын
1:25:00
@terencewinters2154
@terencewinters2154 3 ай бұрын
Some guys push the envelope more than others .
@zissou6928
@zissou6928 2 жыл бұрын
How does the average person extract any value out of these interviews?
@superjeffstanton
@superjeffstanton 9 ай бұрын
It's a squeeze
@MS-od7je
@MS-od7je 2 жыл бұрын
Why is the brain a Mandelbrot set?
@georgeschlaline6057
@georgeschlaline6057 21 күн бұрын
He's gorging himself at Golden Corral in Heaven
@phillaysheo8
@phillaysheo8 2 жыл бұрын
So little chat about stocks, and Krauss talks too much
@karolmetal4256
@karolmetal4256 2 жыл бұрын
billionaire can afford smoking at 83
@etfoptimize1695
@etfoptimize1695 2 жыл бұрын
29:30 - Brilliant man, but not smart enough to realize that cigarettes destroy your health and slowly kill you with every drag. My mom was a smoker and died from a horrible fight with lung cancer that made her suffer for years, struggling for every breath, before snuffing out her life far too young. My brother and I were left motherless, and my dad lived another 40 years, lonely and sad because he couldn't convince his true love to stop the disgusting habit of smoking. Give it up, Jim. You'll feel far better as you enjoy the final chapter of your life.
@hakaishinkage9899
@hakaishinkage9899 2 жыл бұрын
I think he knows that but doesn't care to change it. He's the most successful investor of all time, he's a multi billionaire, and he's lived an astonishingly fulfilling life. If he likes cigarettes and wants to go out that way I don't think anyone can change his mind
@etfoptimize1695
@etfoptimize1695 2 жыл бұрын
​@@hakaishinkage9899 - Probably true, but from a moral perspective, should we think less of him because - besides not caring about his own health - he recklessly harms those around him, including children, by foisting his disgusting habit on anyone present to his addiction? There is now a great deal of research showing that second-hand smoke is just as harmful, if not more harmful, than the damage a smoker is inflicting on themselves. For me, the answer is YES! While he's obviously a brilliant mathematician, I am so disgusted by smoking that I personally think less of him as a person. That said, I'm not too worried about him not inviting me to his next birthday party because I voiced this opinion. Lol 🤣
@hakaishinkage9899
@hakaishinkage9899 2 жыл бұрын
@@etfoptimize1695 fair enough I don't think he wilfully smokes around children or others without their consent as that seems to be "smoker" etiquette so my respect for him and his achievements is still immense but I can see why smoking disgusts you to the degree that it does.
@etfoptimize1695
@etfoptimize1695 2 жыл бұрын
@@Astarchopchop Thank you! If it’s weird to care about health, then I am the #1 proud weirdo.
@silvbee8251
@silvbee8251 2 жыл бұрын
if u read the book written on him, it stated he got his genes checked and doctors says his body can handle it better than others... hes taking a statistically backed risk every time he puffs.. guess we could say he has an edge;)
@dinartech
@dinartech Жыл бұрын
Did you get Jim to talk or you wanted to talk about yourself
@jacklcooper3216
@jacklcooper3216 2 жыл бұрын
Xenos paradox was a stupid comaprison and it is not a paradox it is a problem with the theory od time you have not
@jacklcooper3216
@jacklcooper3216 2 жыл бұрын
The comnclusion I came up with when it happen to me was Why did Dad not wait till before it got empty and put more in,
@merlepatterson
@merlepatterson 2 жыл бұрын
skcots ni ekats sah SNOMIS MIJ
@Bkeefe2143
@Bkeefe2143 2 жыл бұрын
Probably the worst interviewer with one of the great interviewees. I couldn’t even finish. Lawrence I apologize if this seems harsh but let the guest speak, nobody cares that you also know the graduate teacher that he worked with
@StevenKane1983
@StevenKane1983 2 жыл бұрын
Yaaaasss
@niktak4658
@niktak4658 2 жыл бұрын
There was an ego coming out that was unnecessary in Lawrence. Partly because he was worrying about the amount of time he had left throughout the interview. He did better than I would’ve interviewing Jim. I just wanted to share my observations.
@superjeffstanton
@superjeffstanton 9 ай бұрын
Same
@superjeffstanton
@superjeffstanton 9 ай бұрын
​@@niktak4658whatever it sucked
@kparag01
@kparag01 13 күн бұрын
Rip😢
@jerryware1970
@jerryware1970 Жыл бұрын
His alpha was tax arbitrage which is no longer allowed
@superjeffstanton
@superjeffstanton 9 ай бұрын
Please explain
@gedalyahuwittow9394
@gedalyahuwittow9394 2 жыл бұрын
It seems that the sound is a bit ahead to the video, it is most obvious in your intro...
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 2 жыл бұрын
That may be at your end, depending on how your system works. . .
@abe8673
@abe8673 2 жыл бұрын
Starts at 3:09
@nemoest0
@nemoest0 2 жыл бұрын
I can't help to feel "parasite". -Sorry!
@siomokof3425
@siomokof3425 2 жыл бұрын
Jim Simons can run our country better than Brandon Edit:He’s also a Liberal
@generaltheory
@generaltheory 12 күн бұрын
INTERVIEW SNOOP
@wilspu5590
@wilspu5590 Жыл бұрын
The Gauss map associates to each point x ∈ Σ, the normal vector N(x) to Σ at x, i.e., the vector perpendicular to the tangent plane to Σ at x.
@W-HealthPianoExercises
@W-HealthPianoExercises 15 күн бұрын
No tangible proof he has produced money by legit trading activity. Actually all the available evidence points to a much different story
@Ah4b
@Ah4b 2 жыл бұрын
"The heart of a good ... ", what? Samaritian? The timing of the interview could not have been better to ask Jim about the 7billion he had to pay back in taxes recently. And in light of his marvellous money machine, founding an institute through 'philanthropy' where he can hire scientists for his enterprise that produces no tangible value for society does not look so philanthropic at all. I am regularly amazed how narrowly scientist understand their own desire to 'question everything'. Its always some abstract thing that doesn't hurt anybody, never power.
@h4ck3rd4wg
@h4ck3rd4wg 2 жыл бұрын
despite the tone of resentment in this comment, krauss referring to this system as 'renaissance' instead of 'feudal' as we retreat from public institutions toward private patrons is certainly telling
@Ah4b
@Ah4b 2 жыл бұрын
@@h4ck3rd4wg Sorry for the resentment, but double speak should be exposed for what it is. And, indeed, I do resent it, because it is the most dangerous form of a lie, going from mouth to mouth without a conscious act of lying. Philanthropy will be the grace of the new kings in the upcoming feudalism, it deserves as much disrespect.
@Ah4b
@Ah4b 2 жыл бұрын
@@h4ck3rd4wg Just consider how many public schools could be funded from 7 billion $, the amount that was settled on, probably a fraction of what Jim didn't pay in due taxes. And yet we see the most clever people on earth bowing their head to him for spending a couple of million dollars on an institute that gathers the most employable people around. There is no philanthropy here whatsoever. He is simply a greedy man.
@bpot1981
@bpot1981 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ah4b Upcoming feudalism?? Are you suggesting that the impoverished majority will have to submit to the likes of Jim Simmons for military protection in the future?? You might be underestimating the sheer will of the lower class in modern society to repel such an absurd idea.
@millenniummanagement577
@millenniummanagement577 2 жыл бұрын
Let me discuss for 1 min with Jim Simons, In 1 min I will tell him his strategy. He uses very simple Logic. Jim Simons did not solve anything in Market. He Follow Smart Logic. Very Easy Logic no need to worry where market moves you will be profitable 🙂 I do not understand why people can not understand his Logic, So Many Hedge Funds non of them have SMART Brains.🙂
@iconoklastik
@iconoklastik 2 жыл бұрын
epstien didn't kill himself
@superjeffstanton
@superjeffstanton 9 ай бұрын
Did Epstein?
@johnioannisdivramisseo
@johnioannisdivramisseo Ай бұрын
Investing in crypto/forex is a good idea, a good trading system would put you through many days of success.
@benjaminandersson2572
@benjaminandersson2572 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Krauss talks too much, but it might be because he is nervous.
@benjaminandersson2572
@benjaminandersson2572 2 жыл бұрын
You notice that Simons is getting older as well.
@benjaminandersson2572
@benjaminandersson2572 2 жыл бұрын
He talks way too much
@KD0CAC
@KD0CAC 2 жыл бұрын
What a comercial every 4 min. --- motivating to not watch ?
@giulialatronico2262
@giulialatronico2262 Жыл бұрын
Xenophobia Paradox? (Zeno)
@Nader95
@Nader95 2 жыл бұрын
lawrence sounds more humble than his arrogant self talking down religion....but we'll see if that continues
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