I think it would be really helpful and healing if us so called "normies" would embrace cluster Bs and lift the stigma, thats the only way most of them will ever allow themselves to become self aware and seek treatment. Even then its a stretch its so deeply engrained. I try so hard to convince my ex that i truly do love her unconditionally and that im proud of her for being such a strong survivor, but shes very resistent

@@Mechanically_Speaking Thinking like this is very silly. Narcs and sociopaths are extremely dangerous. They can't heal. Sad but true.

@@minoozolala depends where they are on the spectrum. Making generalized statements like that is very silly. And DANGEROUS

​@@minoozolalapeople like you contribute to them actually becoming dangerous, congratulations

Awww thank you so much!! We both still have our issues and mess ups, but we try our best!

Truer words have never been spoken.

Perfectly stated

Its not that simple. People give and take in different ways

Society hates the former and exalts the latter. They try to make the former the latter. Because society is composed of the latter. Society is more powerful and effective if it's inhabitants are addicted to and dependent on it's approval.

I agree that their conversation contributes to understanding the issue so that as a society we become aware of what causes people to become narcissistic or sociopathic and that way we can hopefully avoid treating or neglecting our kids in certain ways to ensure a better mental health for them as much as possible.

​@@danielimmortuos666 same. I have been told when I lock eyes I have a very intense gaze. But I too have borderline.

​@@danielimmortuos666Same but I have schizotypal disorder, girls often get scared of my gaze hehe

@@danielimmortuos666 yeah especially when so external stimuli it just kind of is reflexive. I dont mean to be a total dick, but I dont genuinely care about your feelings, just what you might do when I've caused you to become emotional.

He’s so hot though 🤤

@@AnotherediS Bro wtf, stop this g🅰️y sh❗t

That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Same as my sister LOL

Why they call it BPD.. EMOTIONAL DEREGULATION.. THAT CROSSES THE BORDERLINE TO FACTOR 2 PSYCHO = BPD..ALSO Most ARE ADHD..

@@Thenamelessnarcissist😵‍💫 Do you think you and your sister’s diagnoses were affected by your childhood or is it genetic?

yes, very common though

I know right?? one of the most encouraging things I've heard

great comment.. if "healthy" means adapting to our circumstances and learning to be truly functional, then (as a person w NPD) I agree with you.

NOBODY can heal themselves ,maybe modify a few outward behaviours.ONLY Jesus your maker can heal your heart!Bless

@@lesleybrown1583 that’s a ridiculously harmful thing to say. “Nobody can heal themselves?!?” That’s stupid. Your “god” created free will right? “He” didn’t do that so we could just always choose wrong, in theory “He” did that so we could make our own destiny and carve our own paths and choose better for ourselves. Do everyone you ever speak to the goodness of never saying that again. The harm you do by telling people that “you can’t heal” is unfathomable. Just stop.

​​@@lesleybrown1583 I totally disagree with your opinion, even though I respect your right to have the view that only Jesus can heal people, which is a common one. I grew up in New Zealand and have had many traumatic experiences throughout my life, yet I've managed to do a lot of extremely difficult, not to mention painful, healing work by myself and hope to assist others eventually. ❤

They are.

@@Jewifer333x2 theyre not, psychopathy is not a diagnosis

Antisocial personality disorder is the diagnosis. Psychopathy and sociopathy are both descriptors when diagnosing APSD. Sociopathy specifically is not even recognized as an actual clinical condition. And with all due respect, you can't actually know if a sociopath is "very emotional" in the genuine sense. They display emotions either for narcissistic and egotistical purposes or as a manipulation tactic to get what they want. They'll never cry for you as a sign of empathy. They'll cry for themselves to emotionally manipulate you.

Do your research. Both sociopathy and psychopathy aren’t technically diagnoses themselves in the first place. It’s simply just ASPD and what spectrum of it you lie on (high functioning and low functioning) And no, they do NOT have strong emotions. They in fact significantly lack it. That is the key factor for diagnosis. If you meant strong emotions in a different context, I’d assume the impulsiveness and excessive boredom displayed in (typically) low functioning ASPD.

Neither of the 2 are diagnoses

It made me feel very sad for him.

I have GAD and my ex has ADHD and sociopathy. It doesn't at all manifest the same way. You would need to either be in a relationship with a person with ASPD whether friend, family, or spouse to see the difference.

So true! Im an adult child of an alcoholic and dysfunctional family, was also diagnosed with GAD as early as 8 years old because I had panic attacks every night and severe OCD up til high school. I share a lot of ASPD traits and have wondered if I was a sociopath or a narcissist. But I very clearly know that I have empathy and I get so much happiness from being kind and connecting with others in a deep way. But among what you mentioned, I also lack sensitivity and I suppose I am manipulative, but just in the way that I know I will get more assistance in life by playing up my sweet innocent girl qualities. I don't know if that's manipulative or just human. But I never manipulate for bad or at the expense of others, Im just extremely observant and analytical and have gathered data on how certain ways we act lead to what. But the lack of sensitivity definitely has to do with my upbringing - absolutely no one let me cry or feel sorry for myself, so I am repulsed by that behavior in others. It's something I'm trying to work on though because I know it comes from my wounds and empathy/sensitivity is a good thing.

Absolutely, have you heard of PDA ? Just learning because looks like my Granddaughter of 28 months might have it, it’s part of the autistic spectrum makes a lot of sense.

⁠Check out PDA something I’m just learning about because of my Granddaughter sometimes people are misdiagnosed.

@@straykittsco.950curious to know more?

The more important thing is to remember that one is a clinical diagnose and the other more of a slang word for rude people.

@@paulgoogol2652exactly

and zero empathy, you flying money

say you are proud. say it.

Dangerous asf

❤they defend their own kind

Nothing to do with intelligence, rather the result of years of therapy work. And if you listen closely you’ll still see traits that are still there, still ingrained and hidden from their own perception.

Weird ass people, all three of you.

I think that comment illustrates very well what they talked about: that once they share their diagnosis, every single move of them is being analyzed and interpreted to fit some sort of stereotype the person has

Wait until Autism gets introduced into the formula...

Didn't Sam Vaknin say something similar? Along the lines of that a narcissist is a borderline but with defenses. Thus when the narc collapses, as in the defenses break, he becomes functionally and emotionally like the borderline(narcissistic injury).

I listened to a professor of psychology recently who argues that all Cluster B *and* other common mental health issues like anxiety and depression are all the same thing. Not being able to deal with strong emotions due to trauma and the only difference is the type of defence mechanisms we built up and the strength of those defence mechanisms (often relative to the amount of trauma). If you look in to schema therapy it basically says the same thing.

Strangely I'd trust him more than the other guy lol

True.

​@@samxsarai don't know about that but the sociopath is certainly more likeable and relatable.

Absolutely fantastic video and so relatable and well articulated. Also Jacob fantastic questions. The revenge side for me is strong, if you do bad to me, I will retaliate and I have the mindset of "how dare you" it isn't okay and you will pay the price sort or thing. I have had a lot of previous issues with the police but couldn't put that down to my ASPD, more the upbringing I had and what I was taught was right and wrong. I call my BPD my humanity, how I describe it is that it levels me out and levels out the ASPD. They balance each other out and work together. In regards to Sociopath vs ASPD, if I had a preference it would be Sociopath but even though they're the same thing it feels like the word Sociopath has more negative stigma than ASPD. But yeah I smile when I hear or say the word. Thank you Jacob for the video I feel heard and seen. Joe you explained everything so well. Thank you.

I'm really glad you related! Honestly it gave me so much comfort about my sister since she had the same conditions

​@@noisyglamourappreciate your story, I find it fascinating the interactions between the mechanics of the two disorders considering parts of them seem to be contradictory to each other.

As someone with ADHD and possible ASPD, I would want to swiftly move on from that subject. Being shown empathy always makes me uncomfortable. I don't know how to respond to someone caring. It's weird.

@samanthas2280 Wow, interesting. I never thought that giving empathy to some people might make them uncomfortable. Thanks for sharing your experience

@@lalinera8279 obviously I can't speak for everyone. But at least me personally... Yeah. It's a strange thing I'm finding. Like go ahead and say that's awful or whatever, but then... Dwelling on it gets weird for me.

I can understand your logic, but I think you're doing what the host often talks about where he says that people often view him as a 'narcisist' and then see him through that lense, and forget that he's an actual person. You've made the assumption that he handled that interaction that way due to his narcissism and overlaid a pathological response onto his reaction, effectively you've seen him as a 'narcisist' and failed to consider that he may have in fact felt an emotion (empathy) towards what he was saying, though chose to continue the stream of questions as that is the main purpose of the video.

@chap8938 Offering emotional empathy would not have changed the topic of stream. It is a normal social norm. For example, if you hear someone say they lost their loved one recently, you give comfort, condolences...it doesn't matter what kind of situation you are in...as a person, you know that emotionally, it is difficult for anyone to go through that. It is the behavior of comforting eachother that makes us social animals. I do see him as a person obviously. What I wrote is my observation. That moment was not a mistake. He was not in a rush. A person not addressing suicide, death, sickness, in general human suffering.....has some kind of issue. And that is what I pointed out.

life is complex... mother nature is not easy to figure out humans or animals... but its fascinating indeed

Not necessarily, there is a big difference between sociopathy and psychopathy. Psychopaths are born, not made. And so it is kind of like the difference between being a man with no legs, or who is literally paralyzed from the waist down, as opposed to someone who was forced to use a wheelchair for the first 15 years of their lives. And so while their leg muscles have indeed atrophied down to next to nothing, and while their instincts may be all wrong for walking, they *do* have the ability to learn to walk, they *could* still try and actually walk and learn how to use their legs with massive amounts of rehab and physical therapy. This is not so with the clinical psychopath that literally just does not have those brain structures there and active. So I think that it's really questionable dealing with ASPD as if they are all the same, and I don't mean to just write someone off as a total loss, but you're going to have a much harder time as a psychopath because psychopaths can be born to completely normal families and lack any empathy, and so it's more like autism. It really doesn't matter which family you get born into while having the genes for psychopathy, although in fairness its the upbringing which defines that nature of psychopathy, that is, the one raised by a family of quiet librarians and academics is more likely to just take a clinically detached perspective and be a functional adult and neurosurgeon, as opposed to the ones born and raised into hookers and addicts or mafia families who are going to be set up for being abusive street dudes since day one because that is what their parents are. But yes SOCIOPATHY is lol I'm sorry I just got to 28:10 "victimless crimes man victimless crimes like what's the problem" hahaha that's the most classic sociopathic statement ever. "Like I don't get what's the big fucking deal to you people, so what if I set a few mailboxes on fire and sold some smack, you know I didn't rob anyone or anything I didn't commit CRIMES I just broke some stupid laws." I'm sorry this is just very funny to me but anyway sociopathy is yes a bad upbringing thing and so the self sabotage is the saddest part about that, and you need to basically overcome it and work every single day from literally the moment you wake up to when you finally pass out resisting that internal urge, structure, or personality defect, partly because they are socialized so wrong by their parents and the people around them. I honestly expect public schools massively accelerate it and take any latent trauma or abuse by families and turn just abused kids into full on clinical grade sociopaths because now they've taken that abuse, power, control, and violence, as well as being smooth talkers and manipulative, or using deception and charm, and applied it at the entire societal level and now seen things as being in terms of societies and power structures and not just the people that abused them. So those are even harder to work on and you get like Klebold and Harris kind of guys, or street guys or even just corporate sharks and vulture Capitalists and power abusing corrupt cops from that background, when what normally it could have been is just a sort of hurt lonely child setup that at least that person can work really hard to overcome being taught the wrong lessons by their parents or abusive older brother or whatever. I think that what it takes is massive amount of time, energy, and concentration effort while being surrounded by "normal" people but the problem with that too is, I think, that because they are not like them, it just increases the alienation. And so I don't even know for sure that putting sociopaths in better social concepts is even a good fix, just because all that teaches them is more charm and better masking, than feeling a real connection with anybody. I strongly suspect that for most sociopaths, it is either another abused child or someone who has psychological issues or a borderline girl or something like that that brings them back from the edge. They basically seem to need to be around people that know where they are coming from, but can still love and be functional in a society. Of course, if you leave them around lots of street dudes and in an organized crime family they're never going to change for the better and are going to slip back immediately into their basic instincts so it is also important for them to get away from those bad environments like abusive homes, juvie system, and public school system. I'd imagine something like Montessori schools or something more like laid back scholarly environments that reward passionless critical thinking and functional cognitive empathy are places where they can thrive the best and begin healing the most.

@@pandemicneetbux2110 very well explained

The sociopath I know has confirmed brain damages. "They found..Abnormalities" He said.

@@pandemicneetbux2110 brother, I love your bright mind, you're a good human being. feel hugged man bc you were dropping pure facts the way I wouldn't be able atm while PMSing 💀 your rhetorical skills are beautiful to watch and enjoy. thx for the fresh breeze. PS. but made one big mistake so let me correct you bc I'm autistic, you can trust me:we have NOTHING in common with psychopaths, pls never do that again bc we're the exact opposite. we're even more empathetic than neurotypicals, it's just damn hard masking 24/7 and then seeing we're being lied to the whole time by NT's so we have to also put a mask on for this case, so double masking for NOTHING. like wth, let us be weird bc neurotypicals are the weirdos to us with those nonsense social ettiquette just for pseudo harmony. We often feel what is happing inside you before you even know it, I understand why it triggers many ppl, that's why correct education is important. sry man but this triggered me hard ngl, no hate ❤️🦖 if you get what I mean and where on the same boat I would appreciate an edit bc the stigma with autistics lacking empathy is wrong and very hurtful for us neurospicy t-rexes 🦖 :C just bc we have our own way of living life and feeling things doesn't mean we lack a basic human emotion, that keeps us healthy, socialized and alive. I just prioritize a well made selection of two hands full of kind good humans and put my time in them. I don't have more time for risking my mental health, ppl are evil af, I know it, I analyze them since I opened my eyes. strange monkies those humans are... living their life not seeing the fire behind them. correct mental health education is a must to make a step further in the right direction.

Yea, I don't get sociopath from is personality traits especially with his fear that his friends are mad at him when they don't call right back. Definitely seems like he has the spectrum of BPD but not sociopathy. Trust me, my ex is a sociopath and he was the complete opposite. He definitely didn't care if you didn't call him back because he was on to the next person.

@@straykittsco.950 he has both ASPD and BPD

I agree

@@straykittsco.950 he did say he’s got both of the disorders.

@@straykittsco.950you’re not a doctor, are you -_-

Yeah, you can see if somebody is fucked in the head or not from the eyes. I have crazy eyes too and it makes me wonder what kind of fucked up I am

You can see the fight flight response.

Totally amazing, compassionate and appropriate response after the brutally honest and educational video these two gentlemen put out. Really. Kudos.

Actually, i think it is more in the blink rate of the eyes...

​@breemorrison901 that's what they meant, no doubt.

Don't worry too much. People with cluster B personality disorders don't feel many private emotions such as guilt or shame. They might get upset but that will pass. They couldn't care less in the long run.

Probably lots of narcissistic sociopaths in comments what did u expect??

Its not rudeness, they're projecting their trauma, as a subconscious reaction

Lots of people think they are better than others and that includes the people who dont have disorders at all. Its funny how similair we all just really are.

adhd isn’t a personality but i get what you mean

Wtf are you talking about 😂😂😂

@theolouk9346 Enjoy being gullible and manipulated by cluster B personalities. 😂😂 He makes money from the videos, that's why. I've seen so many people simp for self-declared cluster b personalities, and they literally tell you how evil they are, and still, people with tiny IQs who are wishful thinkers will still buy thier bullshit. Hilarious. 😂

You know The side when you just want to hurt people, I get that a lot nowadays. Used to be a inside emotion where I'd hurt myself to contain the danger I posed nowadays I stopped harming myself and kept my Socialness to a minium or I have my Partner with me. I still struggle to fit in with some Social norm and chose to hold this 'persona' that people see 'someone who looks capable of the situation' when the reality is im showing you this person so you don't know who I am really am. You don't need to know me you just need to know what I want you to know.

People love their own kind.

@@PaisleyMarie80 I love everyone

@@deonaeddy7749 You're acting like that's a virtue? Loving predators is not a virtue.

Live stream is a GREAT idea!

They have no ability to empathize that’s only one of the reasons they destroy the people around them .

​@@bellawilde2169do you just not understand what cognitive empathy is? Please read 🗿

@@goldscalesI do, what’s your point?

​@bellawilde2169 People with ASPD are able to access cognitive empathy. So either you don't know what that is (and how it differs from emotional empathy), or you don't know the basic information out there about ASPD... is the point, I believe.

Oh my, that was me for the first three decades of my life!! 😳 You described how I used to feel & behave to a T. You have awesome awareness!! ❤

Revenge, the impulsive vindictiveness, is one of the very incomprehensible elements of the Cluster B personality, for me. The other element is the sadistic pleasure from other's pain that I've witnessed Narcissists enjoy. Between those two things, I got trapped for lots of years with Narcissists, from my parents to my last boyfriend. I've heard it from lots of others, and found it to be true myself, that we just could not BELIEVE that what we thought was happening was actually what was what was happening.

@@sunnyadams5842 It often comes about through child abuse and so you need to basically be patient with these people, show you are not weak, and show that you are willing to be loyal and call them out on it and outright demand that they grow tf up and stop being so weak--because falling back onto your pathological childhood behaviors IS weakness. And they need to stop seeing compassion as weakness too tbh, the worst always end up seeing love and vulnerability as being weak, but then fall back on the terrible parts of their childhood. Like for example, a girl that had cigarette burns because her abusive father put cigarettes out on her, is going to do weird shit like wanting her lover to put out cigarettes on her. It's actually pretty sick now that I see myself saying this out loud, but these are the kind of messed up things you see with some people that they can hide very well behind their social mask, and makes them so difficult to deal with for normal empathetic people (and is funny to me when guys complain about "badboy" types as if that and sociopathy is the same, and not getting that the girl they put on a pedestal is like this and not the sweet person everyone thinks she is). So in other words, a basic part of the sadism is I think a control and power thing from being so powerless as children, back when they didn't have any ability to control the damage and pain and lovelessness being done to them. So there's a component to the impulsive revenge thing which is basically all about them just wanting to assert their own agency and sense of control, which makes people like this have to struggle very very hard not to retaliate against you for being hurt or feeling their trust is broken because keeping in mind, these are literally the behaviors they learned from their parents since infancy and so they are struggling and fighting it daily in interpersonal relations. Which I think makes some people weak or suckers to them, is the ones that don't want to change end up more easily exploiting and taking advantage of the normal amounts of pity, empathy, and sympathy which we tend to feel once we KNOW why they are this way, which other than psychopathy most disorders typically stem from childhood traumas (although not always, I knew someone who said her childhood was totally normal, in fact two relations I remember them saying they didn't have any abuse or trauma and it kinda confused and shocked me because they both acted like abused children in a sense, one of whom allegedly had a personality disorder so idk where that came from but then I think her non-abusive past may be why she appears way more normal and not borderline to me and why she's such a loving, sweet, loyal, wonderful person and is not as vindictively chaotic in a hurtful and manipulative way the way many BPD are though also in fairness she's self aware and went to therapy so :shrugs:) But of course you already know all about this, because you basically just relived all those traumas with your boyfriend by trying to subconsciously replicate your fucked up parental relationship and trying to vicariously use him to heal the damage and make yourself feel loved and validated by your parent by getting another person to basically help you relive that abusive relationship only now you're the one that is in control and trying to get your mom or dad to love you by making your boyfriend love you. If that makes sense. I see it all the time and sadly a lot of people especially young girls just do not make it, they get to like age 40 without ever having therapy and getting things worked out so they repeat this cycle hoping the next guy to change. I think that is often not something that is talked about, and people like to dump on Cluster B's (rightfully) for the shit they pull, but that does not ever touch on the reason why (usually women) pursue those relationships in the first place. It is not as if these guys are just out there pulling women left and right to hurt them for their own sick pleasure and discard them. Some guys do, but there are some women that just straight up actively chase these men or try and seduce them just because of their own reasons. It's like, if you are raised by alcoholics, and you KNOW that they are alcoholics, and that now that you are too, you can't just sit there and keep blaming the liquor store for existing when it is you who chooses to go there and get get a couple handles of vodka every single week. That is you deliberately putting yourself there to get yourself drunk and repeat the habit and behaviors that you (mis)learned from childhood and that you're never gonna be truly satisfied and happy in having a normal life without purposefully walking PAST the liqour store this time, that only some do, and many do not, but just go right back in there and wind up in pain and hungover tomorrow just like they did every single other day all year. Then they whine and complain about the laws or some shit because they never bothered changing their own behavior and what the real problem with that is, it's because if you ever want to have a family (or just end up with one accidentally, which tends to happen a lot for people with mental health issues and substance abuse) then all you're ever going to do is inflict yourself and inflict your own parents onto your children through yourself by not changing. And so therefore the cycle literally HAS TO end with you. Because if you're not the one who's already broken it before your children can learn to walk and say their first words, then you've just guaranteed that it is your own son and daughter that are not going to walk past and they are going right in that liquor store and they are buying a handle and dating a narcissist because you never fixed you.

​@pandemicneetbux2110 I admire your input. I just have one more thing to add. Many woman from traumatic childhood where dad was not emotionally present often choose someone just like dad.

wow, you managed to stay friends and humane with your ex despite her mental disorder. Good lad you are. Good to establish healthy boundaries for yourself too.

Blocking toxic people is healthy. I'm not a sociopath and I do that to protect my little family from drama

​@@user-kg3tm7ue1sI think the person is talking about emotional detachment. This is one of the most clear sign: you can pretty much avoid people and left people forever without caring and feeling nothing about it.

what a rude thing to say

That comment right there was rude af. He's a person. You sound like more of a sociopath than he does.

@@qetsiyah1766it’s not rude at all. This is simply facts! Stop being sensitive.

@@MegaMarVerde except it’s not a fact. people with personality disorders are still people. there are many people with antisocial personality disorder in the U.S. with many seeking therapy. criminalizing them only serves to create a self fulfilling prophecy.

@@qetsiyah1766 it’s sounds like you are one of them. Stop defending these predators. Have a nice day!

He's smart as hell. He's the me of ASPD lmao

​@@Thenamelessnarcissist 😂😂

Fr I was saying

@@Thenamelessnarcissisthis eyes are dead bro lol

@@N0N4M30 thats what YOU see in him ;-)

That could also be from trauma though...

no

Thank you so much for stating this, some people are such shit heads

Yeah. Guarantee if this video wasn't about his disorder and he was just here to talk about some other topic and didn't disclose that he had ASPD, no one would even think to comment on his eyes

​@@marcelusdarcyexactly, people see what they want to see.

@@solinvictus2045 People see what they see. Google "the psyhopathic stare" and educate yourself. There are plenty of psychological papers and articles on the subject. It's very much a real thing.

I’m kinda beside myself haha I’m honored you watched my video!! Didn’t expect it and that’s really awesome. I really admire your work!!

RIGHT I never skip ads here HAHA

Oops, I mostly skip 'em--unless they're US ads, which I rarely get. Damn algorithm isn't all that smart after all. Lol

Thank you!!!

“away”…from what / whom?

As an aspd/bpd/adhd this is spot on. You'll find me deep in the woods FAR away from people than ever 'socializing'.

Damn I so glad you relate in a weird way LOL

Right on point! Society is above all a social construct and is defined by the majority of the community. In the place where I live it is considered perfectly normal to abuse and torture animals because they are...well...animals...It is not even seen as wrong. Also, it is normal to verbally and even physically abuse people from LGBT community or any community that is considered "different"...In Iran it is normal to beat women who are not wearing hijab, in Afghanistam it is normal to stone a woman to death for leaving a house without permission, in Jemen it is normal that a 55 year old marries an 8- year old...Am I to accept that just because it's normal somewhere? For me any kind of abuser should bite the sidewalk if you know what I mean. And if that makes me mentally ill, so be it! I'll gladly be the illest of all.

But he is blinking

​@@littlemissgroovenot very much

Hypervigilance and CPTSD can affect how people meet the eyes of others. I am autistic. I struggled greatly with eye contact for the first 20 years of my life. And now I stare in a fixated way into people's eyes when I'm hyper focused on what they are saying. There are many reasons for someone to have this affect. I get the feeling that he is being direct and sincere with his eye contact. He is really putting himself out there to share his personal experience which can drive one's hypervigilance up bc it feels vulnerable.