I think they fumbled it

It's insane how hard they fumbled the bag when the game is ALL ABOUT GETTING BAGS.

It’s honestly very sad, I feel bad about all of the issues and how it’s almost like the devs learned nothing from payday 2, people argue how payday 2 wasn’t that good at launch, it’s like they forgot all of the learning they got from payday 2 and restarted with payday 3.

I still can't believe how even with the experience of developing PD:TH and PD2 they could've fumbled so bad that the game lacked core features that were in the previous games (server browser, ability to votekick, voice chat, preplanning, ability to stay with the crew after finishing the heist etc.).

They didn’t just fumble the bag, they shot it with an anarchist berserker crit build.

The best way i can describe PD3 is "what's the point of new content if the way you approach the content inconveniences you on every single step of the way"

Y'know how back then people would compare Payday and L4D in a friendly-ish way (even the devs recognized it), P3 could be compared to B4B; the more you look at it, the more reminiscent it is. Especially treatment-wise.

It is crazy to me that they sold this game as a "co-op" game with barely any co-op elements in it... barely any options of communication (on console none at all really), lack of kicking griefing/AFK players, lack of UI (e.g. if you are in a party in the main menu, you cannot see your teammates with their builds at all), disbanding public lobbies after a heist is over, matchmaking mostly giving you empty lobbies, no lobby filter (e.g. loud/stealth), the list goes ON and ON and ON...

inb4 Overkill announce that they're going to go back and make more DLC for Payday 2 to keep the lights on.

When out of all Starbreeze Partners, Mario uploads a video about state of Payday, then you know something is wrong.

Ovenkill try to release one functional videogame that isn't payday 2 challenge (impossible)

Yep. Bags were fumbled. HARD.

All they had to do was give PD2 a facelift, the formula for that game was so good by the end they literally made ends meet by just churning out content for it. For me, the "skills" system with G/R/E killed it immediately, just wasn't fun maintaining simple buffs.

That moment when a "only fun videos" content maker makes a video like this... you realize that the end is near.

Its crazy how good the UI aesthetic and design consistency carried the Pd2 experience now in retrospective.

They fumbled the bag hard. They fumbled the bag so hard it tore open and everything in the bag scattered on the floor and broke. Now, of course, they could pick up every piece, glue everything back together, stitch the bag up, and return everything to normal, but will they? Can they?

Considering it's a waffle you've nailed pretty much everything wrong with the game. Sucks to be 4 months in and feel as though I have the same level of fatigue as 10 years of Payday 2 gradually gave me. Here's hoping they turn things round soon

I tried to hold on for as long as I could, all my friends uninstalled months ago but I still hopped on to play solo occasionally just because I like the gunplay so much. The dlc was the last straw, almost half the games price again for a couple maps and a shit new enemy while ignoring all the community requests for QoL is a slap in the face.

I think one of the only things you might've forgotten to mention is the progression system, which, I would think would work better as a cyclic progression system than this long endless journey that they seem so adamant to keep around. Payday 2 had this satisfying *mmph* to the Risk bonus where you would just see levels soar by on the results screen, and each infamy point after that is relatively attainable like once per week. It's a balanced system to keep people playing because then you get both the early dopamine, and then the slower but progressing infamy system with many options. I know Payday 3 now has its own answer to the infamy system but I just don't see anyone sticking around long enough to actually use it. I think there is still a lot that should be done about progression and feeling rewarded after a heist, especially with increased difficulty. Better to splurge players with too much of the stuff if it makes the journey more satisfying than being overly stingy.

I kinda forgot that Payday 3 even released. It's a shame that they messed up the launch, I feel like that it could cement the death of the genre for a decade if this game gets shut off soon. Not only will any bank robbing game be declared a Payday clone but publishers and shareholders won't dare to fund the making of a bank robbing game after seeing how this game went.

Still the best total conversion for Back4Blood imo

As someone in the xbox reviews said they pulled the greatest heist ever… on the fans

I love the fact that payday 3 just looks like an upscaled mobile game lmao

also keep in mind that in the cheat menu there is an option to start an offline game, and the devs WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY to specifically not have it in the normal game

Starbreeze in general has been just terrible with communication throughout this whole thing (as always). The fact they're only now reaching out is too little too late.

I actually did commit to playing Payday 3 every day as the "standard" game I boot up when getting home for a few weeks after the latest DLC, and I love the gunplay it's rewarding and satisfying, it is the only real good thing I think about when looking at Payday 3 in my library, and I've mostly stopped playing at this point because life is too short. It's insane to me that having the gunplay being the only thing standing out in a pile of shit with UI that comes from your local 10 minute "how to make a console UI game" tutorial, to no QoL features, to it being online only, but you get thrown out of the lobby the second the heist finishes. "Coop game" my ass! the people playing with me might as well be bots for all the cooping we are doing with no communication or interaction, I might notice having fewer armor plates and that's it. The fact that I can't search for a loud or stealth only heist means I either play alone, get extremely lucky finding not console players to coordinate with if they even know there is a chat box in the dogshit that is the lobby UI, or have to sit through gold&shark stealth again for the 50th time this evening. I don't know how a team with this much experience in developing payday 2 can fuck up the parts that should be a direct translation from Payday 2, yet still make gunplay so satisfying. I agree with everything said in this video and I hope they turn the ship around but unless I start seeing them actually do something and not just throw DLC at me, Payday 3 will probably rot up in my library, I fear the worst fate for this game in 2024.

I love when developers release early access games disguised as full release games!

i am honestly so glad that my collectors edition never came through and got cancelled before payment because they couldn't send one out because they never got any to deliver. in hindsight dodged a huge bullet there. sad to see where this game got to.

I played the early access for the gold edition and after 95mins, 3 complete heists I was like "I waited 10 years, for this shit? Nah man, it aint right. *Checks steam time played* Well at least I can get my money back. Maybe in a year I'll check again." And this far I had no urge to lookup anything PD3 related and since I'm subbed here I obviously checked it out only to be informed that nothings changed :'(

I've been playing since PDTH and couldn't stop playing PD2 for years, but with PD3 I played in the first month and I just can't bring myself to keep playing it. I think it's the large number of small issues that you mentioned which actively deters me from even bothering, plus that social aspect is almost completely gone. I made so many friends that I still play other games with today because of PDTH and PD2 because of how social it was. Plus the DLC pricing is an absolute scam. The old OVERKILL team is pretty much gone and they took their talent with them (which considering the shit that Bo and others pulled I don't blame them at all for doing); what made Payday so special can only be recreated by the original team. As harsh as it might sound, I don't think the current devs have that shared passion or mindset anymore. I hope they pull it back and address the issues plaguing the game but it takes a lot of time to implement what people are suggesting, so by the time they finish it it could be too late. It's all just so sad to see as a veteran player.

I stopped playing Payday 3 after a few weeks mainly cause of matchmaking issues, and I decided to give fighting games a go despite the fact that like a year ago I kinda said “eh, fighting games just aren’t my thing”. I have come to realize though that turns out, they really are my thing, so thanks Payday 3 for fumbling the bag so hard it made me discover my love for an entirely different genre of games

i got into payday 3 a bit later than most people, it wasnt until the first big update dropped that i really played it, because the optimization is so poor i couldnt play it on my previous setup. but i upgraded my PC just for this game because payday means that much to me yknow? but even with my late start, i've pretty much fallen off of it, i hit about infamy 100~ ish, and going back to play anymore sounds so unappealing because i just cant find any lobbies with randos. either ive got a pre-made group of three or four friends ready to play payday 3, or i don't play it at all. it really is fun at its core but its got so much stuff around it that drags the entire thing down its hard to reckon with. also, i'm terrified of the microtransactions they have in the game files. if they actually push those any time soon, the games legitimately over. one more PR knock that bad and this game is sincerely probably never going to recover, those stupid suits and masks in the files are just sitting there like ticking timebombs

It's missing soul. Payday 1 was made by a ragtag group that wanted to play around with the idea of playing as the bad guys, it was low stakes and mostly done for fun. Payday 2 was a continuation of that with higher stakes, they realized the fanbase that they had and understood that they needed to make a fun experience, but the original idea and concepts were still there. When Payday 3 came about, it was like "Well, these things are in other games and people play those" so they added the armor system like so many current shooters have, and added MOBA-like buffs to be the center point of their skills. They abandoned the simple concept to be something that Payday wasn't ever, as if they weren't trying to keep the old fanbase but to garner a new one off of the fanbases of other games. Payday 3 was made with no soul, it was made to sell a game, sell DLC, and sell microtransactions, it's just another shooter now. The real reason that it's online only is to stop people from pirating the game to maximize profits, but as a consequence nobody can truly own the game, if the Payday 2 servers go down you can still experience 99.9% of the game (all I can think of is OverDrill and some weapon mods) meanwhile if Payday 3 servers go down, the game is gone, you can't play it.

As soon as I knew Ethan and Hila were not confirmed for the game I knew it was over.

Everytime i try playing payday 3 again it just makes me go back to 2 or even the heist

Online only. Third part servers. EAC. The three horsemen of bad games.

I feel bad for all the payday content creators out there who make amazing stuff and have basically been shafted because the game is currently so devoid of life. You guys deserve better. Had a script in the works of everything I found was an issue, I've basically scrapped the whole thing because editing a really long video on a game I just don't like right now is exhausting to consider. I don't like being so negative, and finding the positives is hard right now.

I don't know who said this (it was only shared to me as an unlabeled Discord MP4, ick) but someone once described Halo: Infinite like this. Imagine you have a car, and it's an absolutely fantastic car from a technical/engine standpoint. It gets incredible mileage. It turns sharp. It stops on a dime. It's the most efficient car you could ever want. HOWEVER, the radio blares static, the air conditioner and heater are broken and both blast uncomfortably hot air, the upholstery sticks to your legs and leaves a residue on your back when you get out, and no matter how many air fresheners you put in that thing it smells like rotting possums and malt liquor stains. It doesn't matter __how__ good that car drives. You'll never want to take that car for a spin again. That's how they described Halo: Infinite, and I think that equally describes PAYDAY 3.

would love more of this type of video from you in the future, this was great.

"online-only as anti-cheat measure" Man they NEVER got over Pirate Perfection, did they?

The only cheats they were worried about were the DLC unlockers... I'm sure that is why they implemented the always online. You pretty much nailed it on the cons... Lack of crime net, social features (proper text chat on all consoles and voice chat), the UI and the progression system stop me from playing the game. I only play for a few hours when new content drops because I do not want to deal with this matchmaking system where ppl just insta leave when we go loud. It is sad to see this game flop hard and get yet another "wait for a year to be good" game... Even if the game had a stable launch I'm sure it would still have the same player number as it has now with these questionable design choices and constant "this was added post PD2 launch" from devs on basic QoL features like lobby settings (min lvl, loud/stealth indicator and vote kick) or even a jukebox that the modders already did.

Man, I remember pointing out the writing on the wall. The terrible UI, the complete lack of randomisation, the bland feeling, the online-only, the lack of content; and I was laughed at. "Oh, it's a beta build! Oh, it's a few months old! Oh, it'll all be fixed for launch!" It's like people thought Overkill would magically fix it with noone giving feedback on how terrible it was, and do it in such a tiny timeframe.

Aside from the servers, imo Payday 3 has other issues that are small but numerous and it is hard for me personally to point out which problems contribute to the bad state of the game the most but it just feels off. After a heist or two I just don't really feel like playing and for me personally the challenges have been making me feel (atleast slightly) pressured to play with the guns I don't really like, especially now that I'm left with the ones I was avoiding for as long as possible.

I really wanted to love it. I stopped playing after the first week and I can't bring myself to go back

TBH I simply didn't like the gameplay direction of 3 so I didn't buy it. PD2 had 2 mechanics I really enjoy 1. Armour Gating, where you always feel like you're 1 bullet away from death/injury. 2. Skills that are actually meaningful and let you create a Build. Payday 2 skills are like "revive teammates from a distance" and "get space marine armour". Simple, powerful, fun. Payday 3 skills are like "headshooting enemies while sliding gives you EDGE, if you have EDGE and scracth your balls gain GRIT, both of these give you 10% Damage, which actually doesn't change the attack/defense breakpoint on common enemies at all LMAO." Complicated to activate, requires you to study the build system in depth, and low impact low power. They might as well not exist.

finding out they brought back heist/gun dlcs when they SPECIFICALLY said they wouldnt, TWICE. *TWICE.* very cool dunderkill! its also hilarious they already started reusing maps, the two arent bad, but i think i can say no one wanted those maps (this is mainly for murky station than cook off, who legit asked for murky station) its really sad how much it fell over, i had high hopes and low expectations, and they somehow made a bad game with a decade of work under their belt

Humble streamer SHOWS HUMILITY live on stream????

The current mood of a lot of Payday 3 content creators mirrors how a lot of Halo content creators felt after Infinite's launch. That is not a good thing.

I’m still not particularly sure why, but as soon as Update 237 dropped for PD2 I lost all interest in PD3. I wasn’t “boycotting” PD3 in response, like for some indescribable reason I legitimately just stopped caring about PD3 and ended up not buying it. Thanks Update 237, you saved me like at least $40 👍

ive never been so bored when playing a game. like its cool for 5 minutes then something breaks and i just leave

I can remember vividly seeing that first DLC heist trailer and getting really excited to hop back in, getting home from work, booting up the game, and just how quickly it drained going over my loadout in a menu that sucks to interface with, and trying to convince any of my friends to reinstall just to play one heist. It hit then that we'd run the heist once, maybe twice, that'd run us maybe 1, 1 and a half hours before we'd simply be drained of any want to continue to "look for the fun". I think the game is great fun, but everything you brought up hits it clean on the head. What good is dropping 1 or 2 heists at a time, shifting numbers on some skills or guns, when down at the core of the game so much of the experience that everyone was wanting coming off of Payday 2 has regressed or is completely absent. I'm hopeful and optimistic that it'll get better though, I've seen this sort of thing in the Darktide release up till now, it happened several times in Payday 2, they just need to pack it in and really start banging out these severe issues not to appease us into buying more, but to get the game into the state we all wanted it to be in the first place

I was there for all the talks you had leading up to payday 3s launch about possible bag fumblings

you hit the nail on the head with the issues the game has. the only thing that i can think of that hasn't been brought up in the video is that although the game has crossplay/cross-save, if you own DLC content on the PC it is unavailable on the console versions. i have an issue where i own the game and it's DLCs on PC but the game doesn't run as well as i believed it would, so if i were to swap to playing on the console for better performance i would need to buy the DLCs that i own again. i think Starbreeze said that they're going to solve the issue at some point but with the state the game is in i have no clue how long that'll be.

I could ramble about my issues with Payday 3 for hours but I am not sure if I want to use up my energy.

Its sad to watch one of my favorite franchises die. I have so many great memories with payday 2.

Their words vs actions really shows it all. The potential and good favor is being burned up quickly quick, if you don't want to be pessimistic then you don't gotta agree but this might end up as starbreeze's last hurah but it's not even going to be one of joy.

1. I don't know why but I feel that SBZ has tied hands. Back in Payday 2, you could see and feel the support but in Payday 3, as much as they want to do stuff, I feel like there is someone holding them back, prioritizing other stuff. We could see that when Payday 3 launched. The game felt rushed but why? SBZ never released rushed content for Payday 2. Only problems that Payday 2's new content had was some bugs and stuff that needed nerf/buff that was fixed within a week 2. The other things I wanted to mention is the "Strike team". Yes, they wrote they put Strike team together to fix the game but who are they? Are they good developers who can really fix the game? Or are they veteran developers of failed games or developers who did bad and were fired for some reason. Since I see the rushed release with publisher being at fault, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at top hired the "failed developers" for the same reason why Payday 3 failed. Irresponsible actions I just want to be realistic about Payday 3's future and not naive. I hope things will go better

i think another major issue are the guns themselves, people default to the bronco usually as a secondary because of a hidden stat (that the game DOESNT TELL YOU ABOUT) called Armor Penetration, and its high damage basically guarantees a one tap on overkill, which can make a whole world of difference when you have no primary ammo; compared to the smgs however, you need to mag dump most enemies to kill one of them, Compared to PAYDAY 2, armor penetration was tied to a skill that, even then, you do not need to ace make any of the guns viable. Literally every gun in the game has that stat and everyone defaults to the highest value (that was datamined because, as i said, the game doesnt tell you about armor penetration) so they can breeze through the game. Weapon Diversity is important for the Payday series and 3 fails at that, until they implement a skill that either A: increases your armor penetration, or B: allow you to buy Armor Piercing Rounds for other guns; 3 is going to feel lackluster and not as engaging when it comes to gunplay

I've loved your stuff since I stumbled onto it a few years ago. I was uncertain of PD3, but your preview gave me hope it would be good. I was planning on buying the game after the first major sale, but the launch and your streams convinced me I shouldn't.

All we can hope for is that they’ll make it better. The core things are all there, it has the potential to be awesome and if it isn’t, if they don’t decide to work on it this will absolutely be the straw that broke Starbreeze’s back.

the point of no return'll be when Wulf's heist game comes out for sure. if that game is the true successor to PD2 like they're saying it is then there's zero chance PD3 gets anyone back

It released? I didn't even notice. Seems like I didn't miss anything either.

Them having no request armor on the chat wheel is so weird when we know all the heisters have voicelines for requesting armor.

It really hurts to see this series fall the way it has, me and my friends were so excited pre-launch, we loved the first 3 days of early access and were very excited for the future, and then launch day hit. Ever since then we played it on and off maybe stomaching 1 or 2 heists before the boredom sets in. But now i've had the game uninstalled for over a month and i've felt no motivation to go back to it.

The biggest gripe I have with Payday 3 is Armor. From people I know who work with Starbreeze, the Armor system was like Payday 2's until closer to release before Mio wanted the system we got. There's no callouts for if you need armor, and Armor is such a vital resource and the go-to pick for equipment usually because there's no way to regain armor truthfully, the armor repair kit doesn't give you a plate, just fixes your damaged one. A way you can fix that is by having a chance where a plate can drop from cops, have skills that increase that chance or give you benefit for them. The drones on Syntax error really made be quit, though, they literally shred armor and the techie can just... hide anywhere she wants on the map, making it harder if she's hiding let's say near the lobby on the 2nd floor, or in a tucked away corner of the server rooms where cops are certainly crawling. Last time I played Payday 3 was mid-December, I haven't played since then because I want the game to get better so I don't get more mad at what it currently is. TL;DR: RAID:WW2 WINS AGAIN, BABY!

i wanted to like it i didn’t like it hoping it can turn around, same with ready or not

They didn't fumble the bag, we were the bag and they got it

Never going to be as good as Payday 2 pre border crossing.

10:48 *the bodyguard bank*

Every day I am more glad I immediately felt put off by pd3, my gut feeling when I saw those trailers and as more info was revealed over time hit that like instinctual feeling of "this will not go well" I just didn't quite realize just HOW MUCH was missing, holy fucking shit that's so bad. How can you have a game like pd2 where it was still shit but it was at least FUN shit where things worked and where pretty much everything you'd expect was there only to then unlearn actually everything and not have any of that knowledge for the next game.

Coming back to this video about a month later and after seeing what they say they have in store for Operation Medic Bag, I want this game to be good, I truly do, and I hope that they can fix what they need to. I was there from Payday 2's beta, people forget the launch for Payday 2 was pretty bad too, but just like, this far in it feels like they should have known better? Like yeah sure I'm sure there was some kind of cycling of staff done between games, but I would have thought baseline features that Payday 2 had like you've mentioned, mostly social features (chat, unreadying in the lobby, indicating what kind of heist you're doing) not being there really makes the difference. The game just isn't as fun, and that's sad, because the base gunplay is actually really fucking good, it's clear that's where they spent most of their time. I can only hope they pull this one back from the brink like they did with PD2 multiple times.

I loved it during the early access, it felt so fresh and great. Full release when servers went down, and then the greater issues really set it like the lack of content, lack of updates, a lot of what seems to me like easy qol fixes, offline mode, pre game chat, etc.

I 100% completed the game in a relative sense. I put over 270 hours into the game and ignoring the fact of the insane challenges like heist completions, I've 100% all achievements, heists in stealth and loud, guns, and levels. - Level is only 134 but considering the insane grind, it is for those after you've done 100% that you still have more to do, but relatively I have only moved on due to doing everything in the game. I have had a pretty normal experience when it comes to the game. I knew I'd love it. Only small issues is always online and finding games with people but the challenges kept me occupied until I did everything. So mostly the uninterrupted flow of the experience made it enjoyable. But I don't ignore the glaring issues. - I just really wanted to earn my money's worth and I did that 3 times over.

All PAYDAY 3 needs is the Among Us collab and BOOM Game Saved

I feel mostly the same, aye! I still have the game installed, I play every now and then. But I really think it's a death by a thousand cuts for PD3. The core gameplay is awesome, especially the improved stealth over PD2. It's just the progression, UI, lack of carried over QoL from PD2's later years, and general feeling of it being unfinished that's holding it back. Now I said "just" but that's a LOT. I do agree that all of this is mendable, and it entirely depends on how this new team they put together to address these issues moves forward with things in 2024. I truly hope we get some momentum going on UI adjustments first and foremost, because I'd say it's the most important right now. Unready button, proper loadout categorization for primaries and secondaries, communication options for console players. Need stuff like that to just make the game more bearable to interact with in the first place. Beyond that, I hope to see more heists that are on the quality level of what we've gotten so far. Because I really do enjoy them. Especially Gold and Sharke, Under the Surphaze and the new DLC heist as well.

Pushed all the way to lvl 100 surprised i made it that far as i and my friends were bored to hell, haven't touched the game since and it's sad to see that they haven't made much progress towards anything in the time that I haven't touched it and it would be sad to see the game shut-down and we may quite possibly see Starbreeze as a studio shutdown and I may not know a whole lot about game development but i just don't get how they messed it up this badly it's almost like they said take everything gamers hate or what made payday good and just throw it out the window, it's honestly a shame. > No offline Mode > No way to preplan or join lobbies of those looking for loud or silent > No voice chat > No improved mask customisation > no unique enemy spawns making the game feel linear > Forced challenges in order to lvl up > Pointless live streams from the devs when asked questions it's either ''we'll think about it'' or ''we don't know'' > Servers still unstable > No regen on health or armour making the game tedious and frustrating > Not being able to play due to server issues but still having the audacity to bring out paid DLC felt like such a slap in the face from the devs > I noticed the devs giving out free goodies for the game to streamers who were then promoting the game trying to get people who are unaware of the state of this game to buy it is just disgusting of course no hate to the streamers > honestly just Almir doing this 😎👊 whenever servers get fixed for like 2 minutes and are then down again Decided to check out the recent dev stream and from a comment I saw i can't confirm nor deny since i didn't want to dedicate my time but apparently theirs no plans for anything this month for the game, no Server fixes, bug fixes, QOL, heists, mask nothing which I think may be an early sign that this game may be done for judging by the fact that only around 200 people are playing and I'm sure that number is much less by this point (not including console) and considering one of the devs is only lvl 44 it seems like even devs don't want to play their own game. I absolutely love payday as a whole and it just sucks seeing something you love just get absolutely destroyed I think the biggest heist was Starbreeze taking our money and this being the end product, Overall I want the game to succeed but the devs seem stuck in their ways and with no real changes being done I think this might possibly be the end for Starbreeze as I think only a miracle help them at this point. Those of you who may also remember this is the 3rd game that Starbreeze have messed up, Raid WW2, The walking dead game, and now this one so they have had plenty of chances in all honesty

My biggest problem is the current system for armour, it makes combat less intense and enemies feel like they have been weakened to compensate for it. It also feels kind of pointless because the game could have the same feeling of resource management if they made ammo pickup more restrictive. WIth the right tuning, fully regenerating armour could improve the game a lot, especially pseudo-stealth, because right now getting caught in stealth is basically game over unless you are at the very end of a heist.

The game gives you that bankrobber feel, when you look at your back account after buying and playing it. Starbreeze needs to seriously overhaul and finish their game, just a year of 2 of DLC for free added and then it might be better than payday 2 And by god was that game rediculous, I love it but I still hate pd2 for changing the dark night opening scene bankrobber game into 300 forgetful characters and weapon packs, don't forget about safes and keys being paid before the community got pissed off and they changed their minds. Payday2 was greatest around big bank dlc, after that it was kind of downhill

my payday 3 experience was : buy game, attempt to play 1 heist for an hour, load in, after heist close game, refund, play payday 2

0:38 when the ramblers get rambling

I do hope Payday 3 makes a rebound at some point, but I’m also really interested to see what Den of Wolves ends up being

A good chuckle at the start. I'm not making the mistake of waiting on hand and foot for the next game update. Things will happen eventually and that's okay

When you get a brass eye ref in the first 15 seconds you know it's gonna be a good time

As soon as I heard it was online only, it was dead to me. By now Starbreeze has tried to perform necromancy on this corpse 50 times now, and I think they need to accept that no amount of magic is going to give it it's soul back.

I went into PD3 blind at launch and had it refunded. Its an unsalvagable mess.

I had the misfortune of having to rely on mobile hotspot. I was almost done with a heist and I got disconnected the moment the internet hiccupped a tiny bit.

I legit just played through each heist once. As much as it's a nice thing to be able to restart and have the same setup, part of that replayability was the challenge of never really knowing where things are gonna be each restart, and didn't make the level as stale just grinding it. They can't really have static restarts since the game just doesn't have the same depth as a game that can, such as Hitman (1-3) Where the levels have so much going on that you spend hours playing the levels, or hours just completing it for the first time.

i almost wish i could refund my gold edition but I like bragging and getting laughed at for spending 90 dollars on payday 3

overkill is a skill of noob

Payday 3 is gonna be a banger in like 3 years

One thing they NEED to do is make an offline mode. This isn't even a negotiable thing, i played through every single heist on Payday 2 solo at least 3 times before i ever even considered playing it with people, and you just can't do that when it's required to be online. (Yes, i know it doesn't mean you're forced to play with people, but if you're solo heisting, you're still taking up a slot that someone who wants to play with people could use)

you know when its serious when he doesn't add memes to his video

I haven't played PD3 in a MONTH. We haven't got any new content in almost 2 MONTHS. This is one of my favorite games of all time already, and I haven't played it in A MONTH.

I want to love this game so much, but when even the mask customization is a pale, PALE shadow of its former self, when payday 2 is better in every way, I can only see this as the equivalent to a catfishing. I've been duped.

Held off on this game because I wanted to save some money when it launched and hadn't been playing PD2 seriously for a while at the time, figured I'd see what it'd be like post-launch due to Overkill's history with marketing vs. product. Did the same for Darktide and while that game seems to be recovering, I can only hope the same happens for PD3. We'll see, I guess. I'm glad you put your feelings into words, though, it means something else to have it come from a long-timer like you c:

congrats you found out how to stop shilling

A game about greeed was ruined by greed

Preordered the gold edition because waiting for release could've meant a significant increase in price for a game I KNEW I could end up playing a lot. Now I am barely playing while wearing those damned golden gloves as a mark of shame. The game just feels so empty (and not just because of the low player counts). PD2 had a million things to do while in a heist, not just the regular objectives but also achievements that, though mostly wacky, gave the game a sense of being more than just the heists. Contractors talking to you directly and/or Bain talking and reacting to the heist (not to discredit Shade) but it truly felt like Bain was watching the heist and keeping tabs on the gang. Randomization is something that gets brought up a lot (and for good reason) even though it was frustrating to start a heist from scratch, it still doesn't justify being able to just skip the casing part of a heist by going loud to get a code or to know where something is (like a keycard) and reseting, they acknowledge it by Shade going "Oooh WoW hOw DiD u KnOw????" But that just goes to show that they knew it was going to happen. Like, imagine just being able to enter a heist like Golden Grin and just obtaining every piece of info in loud (room vent, code for the vault, etc) and just reseting and being able to do the heist in 3 seconds, that would take away from the feeling of completing a complex heist. All in all, I REALLY want them to turn the game around but I would still feel ripped off as they would add microtransactions anyway (I know they are cosmetic but they are still expecting to deliver a half baked game and get more money through cosmetics Fortnite-style while being a paid game). Even just by adding some sort of offline solo mode I would find myself playing a lot more, even just to kill time when I'm bored of other (more generally entretaining) games. It's just a depressing affair that I hope Starbreeze is learning from as they move fowards and away from PD3 being anywhere close to Crimefest 2015.

I still play the game every so often because I truly do like the gameplay in some ways. Just they really just thought they could get away with an online only game with no offline mode. Reminds me of Back 4 Blood since I was also pretty hyped for that game. The lack of an offline mode with progression was one of the biggest problems at launch for it. It still amazes me how companies think online only is a good idea. Not only does it turn away a good chunk of players, it puts your game on a time limit. One day the game will just die and be unplayable. It’s so sad because with all the cool things they did, it feels like they took 100 steps back for each one.

funny how most of the issues brought up match up with what i was afraid would happen, at least here's hoping that starbreeze actually manages to turn the whole game around seeing as devs actually do care about it and its success