A point about cavalry lances and lancers in close combat

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scholagladiatoria

scholagladiatoria

9 жыл бұрын

Lances and lancers - source taken from More Swordsmen of the British Empire: www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?co...

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@broncosgjn
@broncosgjn 9 жыл бұрын
After the battle of Waterloo the British were so impressed with Napoleon's Polish lancers they introduced Lancer regiments also converting some sabre armed regiments into Lancers. It was seen that Polish lancers really troubled British infantry squares with their long reach and also generally outfought sabre armed cavalry. They were only troubled by Heavy Cavalry wearing armour. They would try to partially disengage from Heavies and fight a mobile engage/disengage melee type series of skirmishes. They would aim to keep the fight moving and turning and exhaust the heavy men and horses. Didn't always work but you can always run away from "Heavies" if things are not turning out for you. The British observed the problems Matt states with their new lancer formations being clumsy at the halt and in the melee so they asked the Poles what the problem was. The Poles had a look and were quite scathing saying that the British whole lance fighting technique was very primitive. The Poles had made an entire martial art out of it with a large array of parries alone. The Poles said that without an intensive year long training that a lance armed horseman was just a man on a horse with a pointy stick and did not deserve or get the title of lancer in Poland. They had developed really good slashing and parrying techniques for one handed use at the halt or in slow mele using one hand and having the rear of the lance tucked under their armpit. They also trained their horses to perform without reins by leg pressure and to dip their heads under a swinging lance. This horsemanship was not unusual because most good cavalry did something like that but the Poles relentlessly trained their horses and riders in it and demanded a very high standard. The Poles also changed the makeup of their formations after some trial and decided only half the troopers should be lance armed and the othr half sabrer armed. The first rank charged with the lance and the second used the saber. So we get back to the quality of the warrior and the overall tactical style not just the weapon. However once you train that Lancer to that professional standard you get a guy with a three meter reach against a guy with a one meter reach and still good in close in mele. But a quick fix? nope only time and commitment to the art. proficiency.
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 7 жыл бұрын
Amy Kubenk cavalry vs infantry generally is one side of that rock paper scissors equation. the third is artillery
@JaM-R2TR4
@JaM-R2TR4 6 жыл бұрын
not after Waterloo... but after Albuera, Spain.. look it up.. till this day, British call them Polish Lancers from Hell..
@acaristic93
@acaristic93 5 жыл бұрын
that sounds quite interesting,do you have a book,article or some other work to reference so one can learn more about this?
@ivanstrydom8417
@ivanstrydom8417 5 жыл бұрын
The polish skill and prowess with light cavalry originates in the Medieval period when they perfected their use in the form of Hussaria/ Hussars. All throughout the medieval period the Poles were renowned for their unmatched light cavalry, the climax of the evolution of their Hussaria came in the form of the fabled Winged Hussars whom fought countless battles and were the main troops to provide the turning point in many a battle that would produce victory, such as the Ottoman siege of Vienna , when King Sobieski arrived with his winged Hussaria and completely routed the Ottomans , lifted the siege and brought a resounding victory for Christendom. That legacy continued on through to the 17th and 18th centuries, and they remained some of the most elite light cavalry sources in all of Europe.
@ivanstrydom8417
@ivanstrydom8417 5 жыл бұрын
Tom Sanders please see my response at the bottom of this reply section.
@projectilequestion
@projectilequestion 9 жыл бұрын
Yeah but the seventeen lance stabs is not a good argument for the 'ineffectiveness' of a lance strikes, it's much more to do with the death resistance of the average Scotsman.
@Xandros999
@Xandros999 8 жыл бұрын
+John R Depends how much fight was in them to begin with.
@projectilequestion
@projectilequestion 8 жыл бұрын
***** Not if they were Scottish.
@valcan321
@valcan321 6 жыл бұрын
Its the tradition of the thing.
@Tadechicotah
@Tadechicotah 5 жыл бұрын
I think it has more to do with bullshit.
@midshipman8654
@midshipman8654 5 жыл бұрын
projectilequestion the human body is weird. Sometimes it can still be standing after 17 puncture wounds, while other times one lucky grazing cut hits something important and it’s out like a light.
@stepover12
@stepover12 9 жыл бұрын
Anyone who has played the game Mount & Blade would know this.
@elgostine
@elgostine 9 жыл бұрын
yeah, i use a balanced heavy lance, a sidearm and a bow, very lethal cavalry combination but the lack of a shield means that im somewhat vulnerable although my armour helps with those blows using the lance when not in speed, it depends on if the enemy has a shield, on foot, an unshielded opponent who isnt right up in my face usually gets skewered, same on horseback
@stepover12
@stepover12 9 жыл бұрын
Ah, I use a hand-and-a-half sword with shield and a bow. i felt that lances were too situational, but it's great fun though. It feels so good to hit a couched lance on a full speed charge.
@BigHossHackworth
@BigHossHackworth 9 жыл бұрын
And I be awlpiking both yo horses..lol
@portkapul1283
@portkapul1283 9 жыл бұрын
BigHossHackworth yes awlpikes are my favorite
@elgostine
@elgostine 9 жыл бұрын
BigHossHackworth then i'll simply wheel around your side and plug you with arrows from a war bow, since an awlpike cant use a shield you'll be a human pincusion in no time
@vacri54
@vacri54 8 жыл бұрын
The captain might have received 17 wounds and survived, but his human shield only took 1....
@dpeasehead
@dpeasehead 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe his human shield was unlucky enough to catch the only thrust which was delivered with both speed and accuracy.
@-Thunder-Warrior-
@-Thunder-Warrior- 6 жыл бұрын
"Thank God they teach good swordsmanship in the Cavalry, even to Lancers!" - Harry Flashman, The Flashman Papers. George MacDonald Fraser
@kamilszadkowski8864
@kamilszadkowski8864 9 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria Everything you said was very interesting but from the same time come examples of the very effective use of the lance in melee. The best example is the Battle of Leipzig where three regiments of uhlans (third, sixth and eighth) fighting with six regiments of Austrian cuirassiers. Beyond that Austrians were also supported by two regiments of Russian cuirassiers. We know that the troops, got intertwined during the fight. Despite this Lancers defeated the enemy. Experienced soldiers used lances, to thrust in their faces and necks. Then even shallow wound can be very dangerous.
@JTWilliams74
@JTWilliams74 8 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine and I have done a lot of research on thr Dutch/Belgian involvement at Waterloo and one of the interesting accounts we found while going through some of the medical documents from after the battle was of a Dutch militiaman who survived 19 lance wounds sustained at Quatre Bras.
@haloreachlover99
@haloreachlover99 8 жыл бұрын
"You may have a sword that can cut but but my hefty pole will reach your heart before you even swing." Polish Legion
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 6 жыл бұрын
And then the sword guy will cut the pole (double kill). Unless the tactic of a lance is to knock the enemy off their horse or inflict overwhelming stopping power?
@the_astrokhan
@the_astrokhan 6 жыл бұрын
That's what Napoleon through too. Until he was shown a competent lancer dispatch 2 competent sabre-wielding cavalrymen. From that point on lancers became a very common sight in European armies. I'm not saying that they were supermen but what I'm saying is that they were competent and applying knowledge acquired over centuries of mounted warfare. Their preferred weapon was indeed the lance, they had sabres as a fallback weapon because as anyone with understanding of warfare will tell you that there is a tool for every job.
@pawelchmielewski1
@pawelchmielewski1 3 жыл бұрын
polish lancer could effectively use sabre too
@wlaba272
@wlaba272 7 жыл бұрын
Poles were world known masters of horseback and lances. You should read something about polscy lansjerzy in napoleonic period for example. They were no match throughout the ages.
@ChristnThms
@ChristnThms 6 жыл бұрын
I've heard the "one hand on the reins" bit a couple times from you, and while you may know massive amounts about weapons and history, you're obviously not a horseman... Reins are used less and less, the more experienced the rider and the better trained the horse. They are essentially a gross control, replaced as experience is gained with leg/heel control. This is how in the American frontier, both rifle and bow are shot from horseback, in some cases without even the benefit of the saddle or stirrups. That's not to say that reins wouldn't have still been in place, but certainly a soldier that trained to fight from horseback would be accomplished enough to not need his reins in most circumstances. In fact, I would expect him to be able to fight two handed, and use his legs and heels to keep the horse moving in rather complicated ways as both offensive and defensive positioning. This isn't a huge leap, as ropers and cattle handlers do this regularly against animals that weigh almost as much as the horse itself. Horses are not timid, and can be trained very easily to be aggressive and active combatants. They also bond very will with individual riders, when handled well. Given the expense of a trained war horse, I would expect a mounted soldier to take his horsemanship very seriously, making every effort to master and make full use of this expensive and powerful asset. Reins were surely used, but not to the degree that working and fighting with both hands would have taken a second thought.
@bluelionsage99
@bluelionsage99 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Grew up on a ranch. While we did do a fair amount of "neck reining" to let our mount know we wanted to go a given direction, when it was time to open a gate, hold up a tree limb, pull on a rope or whatever it was leg squeezes and heal nudges (light kicks) that directed the horse. That and verbal commands sometimes, but I don't know that such would be possible in the noise of a horseback melee.
@dpeasehead
@dpeasehead 3 жыл бұрын
@Colin Cleveland To add on to your statement about the wastefulness of large scale warfare when it came to horses. By 1815, Britain was one of the few European powers which still had lots of high quality war horses. On the continent 20 years of Napoleonic scale warfare had wiped out most of the best cavalry horses.
@reinerzufall2192
@reinerzufall2192 3 жыл бұрын
I heard from someone who practices historical riding, that fastening the reins to the hip, and so allowing to give some commands by body rotation was a used practice. But then again they had two pairs of reins.
@ChristnThms
@ChristnThms 3 жыл бұрын
@@reinerzufall2192 I have a lot of bareback and western saddle experience, and a little english saddle experience. I cannot imagine any scenario, in any setting, where an experienced horseman would want his reins tied to his body. Additionally, there is no scenario where tying the reins to any part of the leg or torso would offer any control at all. My guess is that this is one of those idea that seems good to someone who has never sat a horse at all. As I stated in my previous post, at even moderate levels of horsemanship, the reins become largely unused and the vast majority of guidance is offered through the legs and heels.
@reinerzufall2192
@reinerzufall2192 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChristnThms As i said I heard it from someone who practices historical riding, studied from manuscripts of the 16th century and later. And apparently there are several paintings where it is shown. But probably tying is indeed the wrong word, and the reins are only tucked under the belt. And as I said they used two pairs of reins, so maybe it is only done with the assisting pair (but this is just my speculation as a layman)
@paulmcintyre4235
@paulmcintyre4235 2 жыл бұрын
Forgive me for not remembering specific details but at the start of WW1 a British cavalry patrol from I believe an Irish regiment ran into some German lancers. The British officer wrote they made short work of the lancers as once past the point they were extremely vulnerable himself stabbing a lancer through the chest. I believe it was one of the first British kills of WW1.
@TheSeventhChild
@TheSeventhChild 9 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert but I will just point out in my experience that in horseback riding you are encouraged not to rely exclusively on the reins for control. A skilled rider needs to be able to control the horse with his knees and uses the reins to stop or exert more extreme control (Also more skilled riders can stop horses with just their knees). Although you hold the reins in one hand at most times when riding, you're not really using them for control, only to be ready to exert control. It should be fairly easy to have a strapped shield and one hand on the reins. The bigger danger of letting go of the reins is probably from opponents grabbing them, but it's not otherwise a huge issue to let go of them if you need it to wield a spear or grapple with an opponent; you can still guide your horse without the reins.
@x64600
@x64600 9 жыл бұрын
Mounted archers could just use the stirrups to control their horses.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 9 жыл бұрын
Regular riding, or riding in simple lines whilst shooting, is very different to controlling a horse in close melee combat though, where you need it to make fast and precise movements in all directions very suddenly.
@MartinGreywolf
@MartinGreywolf 9 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria Well, if pictorial evidence is anything to go by, medieval knights at least did occasionally use just legs in melee. Maciejowsky bible has some examples of this, usually when the knight is using a two-handed weapon, with reins somehow secured to the saddle. You even have a guy using a lance in two hands on horseback. Chronica picta is another interesting source, it shows many variations, including a lancer in full charge not holding the reins at all. One interesting technique is holding the reins with the right hand to raise the shield overhead to cover from arrows. Cumans there are pretty universally depicted to only use reins outside of battle.
@lindseyrjacoby
@lindseyrjacoby 9 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind you're (presumably) using modern equipment. Modern saddles are at most 150 y/o in design-- and that's being generous. 2-point jumping wasn't widely used until after the 1920s and wasn't adopted by many calveries until after WW2. Historical saddles on the other hand, kept the legs long and forward. You used your upper theighs to cue and stay on. Your entire lower leg isn't on the horse, and in many cases you're leg wouldn't have been either. This led to the development of spurs as basically heel extenders. Additionally the horses were trained differently. I've certainly been on horses that require constant hand cues, typically while riding the afore-mentioned saddles.
@michaelrex6948
@michaelrex6948 9 жыл бұрын
TheSeventhChild scholagladiatoria I agree. It is a very good idea for any rider to learn control of a horse without reins. Stopping can be accomplished by shifting weight, turning, by leg aids, and increasing speed is obvious, backing might be hard without reins, but I cannot think of any reason that cavalry would need reins. In fact, many ancient cavalrymen used two-handed lances (eastern and steppe hordes used the kontos, for example). I also ride horses, but have yet to become proficient enough to say by my own experience that reins are not necessary to cavalry.
@seligastas
@seligastas 8 жыл бұрын
you can wave the lance around with preaty big speed while not moving with a horse it is a good defence on the sides and back of horse and if you know how to controll the horse its easy to turn the horse around quickly if you dont belive me look at polish cavalry manuals (any Century ) it opens eyes on a lot of things you can also search on KZfaq for polish cavalry lance weilding practice
@drfoxcourt
@drfoxcourt 9 жыл бұрын
only point I'd add to the lancer when in melee, The lance may not be rather effective, but the horse is among the best crowd control tools. Lancers can push large groups of foot soldiers around, just because they use the horse to do so, thus putting foot soldiers to other disadvantages of position and organization.
@wiggumesquilax9480
@wiggumesquilax9480 9 жыл бұрын
"Which I'll address in future videos." You've got to stop saying that. Don't keep digging the hole, Matt.
@MARKINAU8
@MARKINAU8 3 жыл бұрын
Typical vlogger
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I keep learning new things from this guy. Awesome!
@richardgoughthomas5793
@richardgoughthomas5793 9 жыл бұрын
On the subject of multiple wounds from the lance, the same criticism is raised about cutting with the sabre (i.e. that it took many wounds to incapacitate - and not kill - the enemy). There's an account in Napoleon's Austrian campaign (1809) of a cavalryman taking five or six sword cuts and reporting for duty the next day. I haven't read it, but Kaufman, Musket-Ball and Sabre Injuries (2003) looks like a promising source.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 9 жыл бұрын
Yes, most injuries from hand weapons have always been superficial - we see the same with knife wounds today.
@isabelcapellan2470
@isabelcapellan2470 Жыл бұрын
Although the infernal Poles are usually remembered, these were not the only ones who used the spear in the cavalry with mastery, in Mexico there was a regiment known as "chinacos" that were the elite military units of the Mexican army, these were the ones that most They gave the invaders of Mexico trouble, inflicted heavy casualties on the Americans, and were a headache for the French.
@kevinfox5594
@kevinfox5594 9 жыл бұрын
Great video, only things I'd raise question about is the use of reins (when I was taught to lance by a retired cavalry officer in my teens he eschewed the reliance on them and said it's all down to the legs) and (just because I've had it hammered into me by Scots for 15 years) is that Menzies is actually pronounced Ming-is
@WiseWarriorsPath2
@WiseWarriorsPath2 4 жыл бұрын
A lance is not really made to be reused like a spear as the main weapon, maybe the first weapon but not the main one. Some were used to stab and pull back for reuse, but usually were made for a clashing charge and the spear would often break and then swords would come in. Sometimes the riders would return with fresh lances in repeated systematic charge attacks. People think they are just used again and again.
@jonahnelson4685
@jonahnelson4685 9 жыл бұрын
I liked this video a lot please make more videos featuring 18th and 19th century cavalry and more specifically lancers
@Echo4PapaBravo
@Echo4PapaBravo 9 жыл бұрын
I find this interesting because it kind of plays into the conversation we've had on other videos about the British, and other European countries as well, idea of cavalry even into the 19th and early 20th centuries. It seems like they leaned toward the Dragoon and Lancer, which meant they tended to charge, do some damage, then dismount and fight more as an infantry unit. I always wondered why this was the case, but I guess it makes sense when you take into account that British did not value firearms as highly as did say the US cavalry. That they valued using Lancers and Dragoons, basically mounted infantry units, well into the firearms age is very interesting. It is a definite fork in the way that the cavalry role was view and utilized by the different militaries. I wonder, was it a case of strategies and technology dictating tactics or more of a case of old-school commanders and generals not quite trusting the new technologies and having their tactics dictate what strategies and technology were used. Its quite an interesting divide. Semper Fi
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA 7 жыл бұрын
+John R Sorry, but I believed that was a highly simplistic and even wrong argument. The opinion that the fighting in the American Civil War was the equivalent to that of two armed mobs were not only a British one, but also those of most European officers serving in or observing the campaign. It had nothing to do with the fact that the Americans did not use cold steel, and everything to do with the fact that neither side had a sizable standing army or a large officer training facilities before the war. Hence it was a war fought largely by armies of barely trained volunteers with often politically appointed officers of little military experience. Robert E Lee had fewer staff officers in his army of Northern Virginia than a single Prussian corp! No wonder command and control was so difficult. In contrast most European countries had large professional armies and the Prussians had a general staff and universal conscription by the time of the American Civil War. That the British were ignorant of the use of modern firearms was also a misleading statement, in fact all the combatant nations of WWI were AT FIRST highly ignorant on how modern wars were supposed to be fought. It took the bitter experience of the first two years to teach them the basics of infiltration tactics, the creeping barrage, the proper use of tanks and airplanes, etc. European nations had fought several modern wars in between the ACW and WWI, the Austro-Prussian and Franco-Prussian War being a major one where the use of modern firearms really came to the fore. The British themselves had receive a throughout drubbing in the hands of Boer farmers using modern firearms in the late 1890's, and hence initiated reforms that made their armies more ready for modern warfare by the time of WWI.
@Cambria358
@Cambria358 9 жыл бұрын
More first hand accounts please! I find it most interesting hearing these detailed accounts because its not assumption or guessing, is it possible to share any earlier accounts say medieval?
@Cambria358
@Cambria358 9 жыл бұрын
***** I wouldnt say "very" hard, just not common
@lancerd4934
@lancerd4934 9 жыл бұрын
Yes nearly all medieval accounts are second or third hand because most people didn't write, news media was non-existent and books were incredibly valuable. This means that of the main primary sources - news reports, journal entries and personal correspondence - only the latter exist in any quantity and those tend to only be between those of a certain social station. Also, you could buy the book he's reading from, and then you'd have loads of first hand accounts :)
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 9 жыл бұрын
I have quite a lot of medieval accounts from court cases, which I will put into a book at some point.
@ohauss
@ohauss 9 жыл бұрын
Careful, while it is not assumption or guessing, it certainly IS anecdotal, and all too often, we have first hand accounts precisely because the outcome of events was remarkable, not because it's what usually happened.
@Cambria358
@Cambria358 9 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria Thank you
@gabrielpan8275
@gabrielpan8275 4 жыл бұрын
The best lancer regiment ewer e - 1.reg. lansier" vistula legion". Then the 7th Lancer of Napoleon. Los Infernos Picadores polacos.
@althesmith
@althesmith 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the "Ferrara" marked blades were Solingen production iirc, and pre-'45 I believe. I've seen quite a few with the Andrea Ferrara markings as well as the "running wolf" marks. I would guess he was using an old family baskethilt, not a military pattern.
@Luke_Danger
@Luke_Danger 8 жыл бұрын
The lance is basically a first strike weapon that you use for impact if you can go full tilt. The sword is the actual close-up weapon once you're stuck in melee or if you just can't get a good charge off. That seems to be the reading I'm getting from this.
@bwcmakro
@bwcmakro 9 жыл бұрын
Matt, so as far as my mind works, when you run someone through with a lance, going at full speed of course, your lance will probably get stuck in the guy, and then you'd have to let go of it, or risk getting dragged off or getting your arm broken. Did they have some sort of special hitting technique that prevented the lance from getting stuck, or how did that work exactly?
@x64600
@x64600 9 жыл бұрын
𝓡𝓮𝓶𝓸𝓿𝓮𝓭 𝓬𝓸𝓶𝓶𝓮𝓷𝓽 𝓫𝓮𝓬𝓪𝓾𝓼𝓮 𝓷𝓸𝓽 𝓪𝓹𝓹𝓵𝓲𝓬𝓪𝓫𝓵𝓮 𝓽𝓸 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓬𝓸𝓷𝓽𝓮𝔁𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓽𝔂𝓹𝓮 𝓸𝓯 𝓛𝓪𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓲𝓷 𝓺𝓾𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷. Have a look at this link. napoleonistyka.atspace.com/cavalry_tactics_2.htm
@Ilamarea
@Ilamarea 9 жыл бұрын
Polish Hussars had very long, hollowed-out lances that were designed to break on impact.
@Cambria358
@Cambria358 9 жыл бұрын
My assumption was that it was meant for Cav vs Cav so you can try to outreach your opponent heading towards you instead of using the sword which would be too short and while attacking infantry or being stationary youd pull out a sidearm
@jancello
@jancello 9 жыл бұрын
Cthulhu Here your focusing only on heavy armoured "knights" from the late middle ages, even maybe the tournament rigging. The use of lances on horseback span a far broader range of time and armour, from chainmailed Normans to early 20th century lancers and uhlans in colourful czapkas. No arrets, grappers or ferrules here, just a thick or thin wooden shaft and a point.
@Preedx2
@Preedx2 9 жыл бұрын
Beaujangles McJiggle that is not true for all historical periods, or at least not for all countries in the world - e.g. poish winged hussars charged infantry head on and achieved great succes throughout history. Battle of Kircholm or battle of Vienna are good examples of successfuly using this tactic.
@nickh2385
@nickh2385 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, You eluded to a famous/mysterious sword maker when reading from More Swordsmen of the British Empire, would you consider a video on this? I don't know anything about swords (other than what you have said) but i am just assuming there must be a few sword makes that were desired at the time or even now. So, is there a 'Stradivarius' of the sword world? Recently found your channel, subbed and watched the majority of videos in the past couple of weeks. Thoroughly enjoyable.
@cfps66
@cfps66 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, You may want to look into heel, calf, and verbal commands for Cavalry Mounts. In a melee a well trained Trooper used both of his hands to fight and commanded hi Mount by other means. CPT Christopher F. Sheridan US Army Special Forces (I started out in the Cavalry)
@Sixpennysage
@Sixpennysage 9 жыл бұрын
Would an infantry man be able to block a lance thrust from a rider at a good charging pace with his shield and be fine (relatively) or would it break his arm or the like?
@GermanSwordMaster
@GermanSwordMaster 8 жыл бұрын
Ah lancers... the most awesome of modern cavalry (and military as a whole for that matter) :D
@Oversamma
@Oversamma 4 жыл бұрын
Related question: would a lancer officer usually wield a lance himself or just a sword?
@airnt
@airnt 9 жыл бұрын
interestingly the early meaning of the word 'carrière'was a flat leap of a horse from a stand or two-time- canter (on the spot or even backwards) like terre-á-terre, mezair or courbettes (not in the later wienna-meaning). Only later did the carrière become the term for the 'attack', presumably after a period of ambiguity where the word could mean either the key stride or the attack at large. anyway this possibility to have the horse 'hover' outside of distance and jump into the fight with enough force to do full damage, means there is scope for a lot more use of lances in confined spaces. also, you can do a lot with sideways movement to play with the commitment in the fight, this might end up being situations where you would poke with a lance at non-full strength, where the horse is moving past the target more or less, (very complicated to explain in a few lines) it is mentioned that you end up in circles around one another, able to hold complete swrodfights (pluvinel for instance) as you attempt to dogfight your opponent guérinière talks about the 8 'oclock poition being the weak point wherre you try to get to, and medieval manuscripts show how to turn under a lance to repost an attack from this quarter in particular. (talhoffer) and this can be done 'on the small plate' with remarkable ease! hope to have a video out soon with that technique.. hopefully a month or so... needs editing...
@ausguymac
@ausguymac 9 жыл бұрын
How do the lance and spear differ? Is a lance lighter or is it just the name used when a spear is used by mounted infantry? Also i thought lances were held under the arm as in joustin but why did they transition into thin lightweight double tipped javelin looking spears used around napoleons time?
@FiisforMichael
@FiisforMichael 9 жыл бұрын
Matt what about partisan polearms on horseback ? where they used, if so how effectively , if not what are the reasons it wouldn't work (anyone that knows information would be appreciated)
@sharkfinbite
@sharkfinbite 6 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: there is a way to ride a horse and control them while having both hands free at the same time. Some cultures, like in native American and Mongols, created a different way of directing the horse by teaching them to what action to do and move ,and speed by feeling different kinds of leg and feet pressure and positions on their side mean. They used leg steering
@leedavis9576
@leedavis9576 3 жыл бұрын
Here's a fun fact. If you're any sort of experienced Rider, you control your horse with your legs, reins are only a backup. All cultures, all styles of riding
@bopeton
@bopeton 7 жыл бұрын
What kind of lance would you recommend for use from the back of a motorcycle? Asking for a friend.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 7 жыл бұрын
A short one, like a 5 or 6 foot pig-sticking lance.
@shrekas2966
@shrekas2966 8 жыл бұрын
mount an ble with anno domini represents this the best way ive seen in games. Lances/ spears mostly break when you kill people
@MrBsct
@MrBsct 9 жыл бұрын
Can you talk more about Napoleonic Heavy cavalry llike Mounted Grenadiers and Cuiraseers? Why did they used straight sword rather than curved sabre? Why did they use pistol istead of lance(light cavalry only used lances) and was the pistol before a charge a primary weapon or a last resort?
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA 5 жыл бұрын
Basically the French cuirassiers and mounted grenadiers used their straight swords like miniature lances, these swords were almost incapable of cutting and awkward for parrying. Lances had disappeared from Western Europe for nearly two centuries by this point, and the military conservatism was so strong that they carried lance-like swords rather than the actual thing. French cavalry before Napoleonic times carried broadswords suitable for cutting and parrying instead. Napoleonic cavalry rarely used their pistols, they were often not issued, or were issued but not carried, and there was almost no training in their use. Which was ironic, given that it was the usage of the cavalry pistol (as well as improvement in armor) that made the lance obsolete in the first place.
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA 4 жыл бұрын
@Giggitee O'Yeah kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qZuprNeAmLPReac.html Go to 12:40 and 15:12 in that video, for I think I prefer to take the words of Matt Easton over you, thank you very much.
@fuadalmudehki4941
@fuadalmudehki4941 9 жыл бұрын
First of all , most comments are from non rider's. It's really easy to use both hands with lance if you are in low speed as well using it on other side! (Left ) you can also move the horse with your legs if you are in difficult position.
@weissron
@weissron 9 жыл бұрын
Question: Historically in situations like you describe in this video, would a swordsman on foot attack and stab/cut the horses of the lancers?
@Divertedflight
@Divertedflight 9 жыл бұрын
I recall seeing 19th century drill illustrations for British lancers on how to parry sabre blows to either rider or horse. No idea how effective they were in the field though.
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 9 жыл бұрын
This makes me think that how lancers and other calvary units trained to fight if they were made stationary, what sort of drills and treatsies were for stationary calvary. Very curious about this because from what I've read and listened to you and lindybiege, calvary seems to lose every advantage they have turn into massive targets if they are made unable to move around.
@bahamutkaiser
@bahamutkaiser 9 жыл бұрын
That's very interesting, I'd like to know a lot more about horsemanship and the quality and functionality of war horses. How intuitive and accommodating could they be?, we know an archer had to use both hands to shoot a bow, so how did those horseman operate their steed?
@Williamstanway
@Williamstanway 9 жыл бұрын
Would love to here some more on different and or popular sword makers in history
@killcancer6499
@killcancer6499 4 жыл бұрын
A word on penetrating wounds, even fatal ones may not stop an individual from continuing to fight effectively for a period of time. The exceptions to this are CNS injuries and heart or great vessel injuries which can incapacitate very quickly. A wound to a large vessel such as the femoral artery may or may not lead to extremely rapid exsanguination. A rough and jagged wound might lead to the formation of a platelet plug which in combination with vasoconstriction might prevent rapid exsanguination. Continued vigorous combat would likely negate the platelet plug and vasoconstriction though. I have a question. I have seen pictures of Mongol lances which possessed a hook as well as point. I presume the hook could be used to pull an opponent of his horse. I would like to know how effective such lances proved to be, how they were used, and how widespread their use might have been. Thanks.
@DJ-eg1zg
@DJ-eg1zg 8 жыл бұрын
Matt, on a similar-ish subject, whilst in France I held the old Lee Enfield (WW1 rifle) with the antique bayonet fitted. I recalled a Ghurka I knew (who lived in Britain) telling me about how in the Great War Ghurkas would prefer their kukri to their bayonet in close quarters. Back in that era, did many soldiers rely on the bayonet? I'm by no means huge, but I'm a fairly sturdy chap, and as I saw it the Enfield weighed a blinking ton! I have heard of bayonet charges, but honestly I think if you lost momentum you'd end up feeling like you were swinging a sledgehammer. Were bayonets as common as is thought?
@Washeek
@Washeek 8 жыл бұрын
+Damien T I cannot recount any true historical sources, but I do seem to remember from somewhere, that the bayonets were really not very "cherished" by the infantry regiments and that they envied the sabres of the officers. The reason being that the bayonet was unwieldy and that you would get "run through with a saber a dozen times over before completing the swing of a bayonett". If It comes from the source I do think it does, than it would count as a historical acount, because it would have been uttered in a book by a ww1 era author who was also a war enthusiast. So basically to answer your question depends on what you do you mean by the word rely. The generals? For them the bayonet charge was somewhat effective especially if you had the numbers, for soldiers? They hated it (as they mostly hated all other aspects of war).
@DJ-eg1zg
@DJ-eg1zg 8 жыл бұрын
+Václav Med The French collector who allowed me to handle the Lee Enfield quoted it as weighing 11lbs with the bayonet. It would be even heavier if it was loaded and it was long and ungainly. I would compare it to carrying a huge bar of heavy steel -there is no way you would want to carry it without a strap. It would be like charging with the weight of a heavy chair in your hands
@johncarper2816
@johncarper2816 9 жыл бұрын
I remember reading some period remarks on English cavalry being used in 18th century riot situations. It was noting that in an urban setting where they couldn't maintain speed the actual advantage lay with an enemy on foot, but that the horsemen were seen as intimidating enough to keep it from coming to that. My impression is that that intimidation factor has always been a big part of what made cavalry effective, as it was in many other aspects of military history.
@benhaddonuk
@benhaddonuk 9 жыл бұрын
I would assume that is why they are still used to disperse crowds. The shaking of the ground, the noise, coupled with the speed would be enough to see most fair weather rioters off at the first sign of a charge.
@KingOfHearts901
@KingOfHearts901 9 жыл бұрын
Mounted police units are still deployed in Britain to quell riots.
@leedavis9576
@leedavis9576 3 жыл бұрын
In most cultures, a war horse used as a riding animal was trained to be controlled with limited use of reins, responding primarily to the rider's legs and weight.[46] The horse became accustomed to any necessary tack and protective armour placed upon it, and learned to balance under a rider who would also be laden with weapons and armour.[44] Developing the balance and agility of the horse was crucial. The origins of the discipline of dressage came from the need to train horses to be both obedient and manoeuvrable.[30] The Haute ecole or "High School" movements of classical dressage taught today at the Spanish Riding School have their roots in manoeuvres designed for the battlefield. However, the airs above the ground were unlikely to have been used in actual combat, as most would have exposed the unprotected underbelly of the horse to the weapons of foot soldiers.
@MarkAS56
@MarkAS56 7 жыл бұрын
You nentioned a knight on a horse using their left hand on the reins. Did they not have a shield? Or did they use strapped on shields, freeing their hand?
@warth09
@warth09 8 жыл бұрын
I once saw two horses seconds after they had colided. One horse and driver had the sun in their eyes. both where driving fairly fast as they where trotters in training. Both where using training carts. A fraction before impact they had tried to avoid the crash. one "arm" on the cart thus struck the one horse square in the chest. It penetrated about 50 cm inside the unlucky horse. It was laying on the ground breathing but not moving. The "arm" ont the cart was very blunt, still as good as killed a horse dead in the tracks. The other horse was unhurt. A local farmer got his hunting rifle to end the badly injured horses misery. I can imagine what a well placed lance could do.
@andrewgranger3370
@andrewgranger3370 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you will see this comment, how about the use of a lance by an unmounted knight or lancer? Is it as effective as a spear?
@larryscott2548
@larryscott2548 6 жыл бұрын
Read the historical descriptions of lance use from horseback among the Anglo-Scot's Borders found in "The Steel Bonnets by George MacDonald Fraser. They are quite interesting.
@danhodg1
@danhodg1 9 жыл бұрын
who the hell keeps disliking these videos? what is there realistically to dislike? Matt's choice of blinds?? Come on guys!!!
@antoninuslucretius
@antoninuslucretius 9 жыл бұрын
Funny episode of the napoleonic wars. It involved two units of lancers, the famous polish lancers of Napoleon and the no less famous uhlans of Prussia, if I remember correctly. Can't remenber where (probably Poland or Germany) or when. The ground they were fighting on --or trying to-- was very muddy and the horses of both groups got stuck in the mud just an itsy little bit out of range of their lances. So, next best thing, they just stayed there for the whole battle insulting each other.. Priceless. .
@EruWan_Ernest
@EruWan_Ernest 5 жыл бұрын
so many sausage insults were thrown that day
@petergosden1
@petergosden1 2 жыл бұрын
The many wounds incidents would be stabbing from an immobile horse. There are numerous references during the Waterloo campaign of lancers using their lances to poke and stab at soldiers in square, the lance beng able to reach further than the bayonet hedge. But Lancers were shock troops and pursuit troops and not equipped for the melee. The combination of lance together with a light horse produced the same shock as heavy cavalry. But only in the initial contact. Though memoirs indicate that at Waterloo at least some French Lancers only carried the lance in the front line with the follow on troops armed solely with the sword. Whether standard French practice or as a consequence of the lack of time afforded Napoleon to fully train new troops I do not know. We have the example on the retreat from Quatre Bra of British light cavalry refusing a direct order from Somerset to charge compact French lancers issuing from a village. They considered themselves 'outgunned' in that situation. And during a downpour on slippery pavee. The charge was taken up by British heavies who routed and drove back the French. So horses for courses.
@rafaltalleyrand5398
@rafaltalleyrand5398 Жыл бұрын
Nice work. Just three things: 1. At Waterloo whose not much of experienced lancers (except a guard lancers, especiali polish eskadron). Proper lancers training is about the 3 years (5 is a optimal). 2. In a melee you have a several lance movements, which is deadly for infantry 3. Lance is not onley for stabbing, but or so for shashing to (not many are aware of this). Experienced lancer would have an advantage inn on the Black Watch officer;) If fou like to now more, try to find polish lance regulations: Wincenty Krasiński „Essai sur le maniement de la lance” (Paryż 1811), or a english copy of this work: Proposed Rules and Regulations for the Exercise and Manoeuvres of the Lance, Compiled entirely from the Polish System, Instituted by Marshal Prince Joseph Poniatowski and General Count Corvin Krasinski, and Adapted to The Formations, Movements, and Exercise of the British Cavalry… By Lieut. Colonel Reymond Hervey de Montmorency, H. P. York Hussars, Late Lieutenant Colonel and Major in His Majesty’s 9th Lancers”, London 1820.
@metalmess
@metalmess 9 жыл бұрын
The lances where used generally to break formations rather than just kill individuals. The polish hussars, for example, aimed at the weakest point of the enemy formation, spliting the army in half and opening breaches for the infantry.
@jeandoilu2185
@jeandoilu2185 8 жыл бұрын
Persian, Mongolian and Franks cavalry (notably The Mongolian mounted archers, Perisan Cataphracts, and Frank's Sacra Francisca) where knowed to direct their horses using their knees. They where using their two hands with bows and lances. A mounted guy with a lance who don't move is exactly the same thing as a spearman footsoldier, execpt, he his on a horse. And he has the advantage to hit his opponent over his shield.
@Sirsethtaggart3505
@Sirsethtaggart3505 Жыл бұрын
Lancers are awesome. I still don't understand why they are categorised as light cavalry? Is it due to the lack of armour? Seth
@lordvulvanon7695
@lordvulvanon7695 5 жыл бұрын
How could you continue after hitting the first target, considering the lance will propably get stuck. How do you get it out?
@RoninTF2011
@RoninTF2011 5 жыл бұрын
I've read about techniques to flip the hand and pulling out while riding past the target.
@captainhellenic
@captainhellenic 9 жыл бұрын
So, speaking as someone who rides and has done horse archery, I have to say that being able to control the horse with your legs frees your hands. Foot signals are pretty powerful in a well trained horse. Does this help?
@bobshanty455
@bobshanty455 9 жыл бұрын
Did the kontos work in the same way as this??
@hermannkateri2120
@hermannkateri2120 9 жыл бұрын
One great method to break up a line of armored pikemen, I'm assuming while flanking them.
@EclipsisTenebris
@EclipsisTenebris 9 жыл бұрын
History says no. At least a good formation of Pikemen, like the swiss mercenaries using swiss halberds were extremely effective against any type of cavalry... including lancers. When you're talking Pikemen, your best shot is with missile weapons or artillery.
@robwerth
@robwerth 4 жыл бұрын
Matt, I just saw a painting of a Polish cavalryman who would have fought at the battles of Lagow and Stary Sacz in 1287 against the Mongols. He's depicted as carrying a lance, sabre, horse bow (in a leg holster), shield (on his back) and a very long straight sword under his leg and apparently strapped to the saddle. Any thoughts on this second "sword"?
@2008davidkang
@2008davidkang 4 жыл бұрын
Do you happen to have a link of the painting?
@robwerth
@robwerth 4 жыл бұрын
@@2008davidkang No sorry I lost it and can't seem to find it on the web. But here's another image, possibly from another time period showing the two swords www.ecosia.org/images?q=polish+cavalry+image#id=459B5CCF924AB7F3477B9907CDBF21E2B1534A4A
9 жыл бұрын
Hi ! There are lancers on horseback since antiquity, from Scythes to Romans... Scythes were using a two handed lance called "Kontos" by greeks (google it and you'll see very interesting images, for those who don't know) and it was often used by armored units, as a shock cavalry. From those times to XIXth century, I have never seen any troop without any sort of a melee backup. Either a sword, or a short sword (common in antiquity) or a two handed sword (antiquity, medieval times, and later) or a mace, or an axe, or... I think you are right in this video. I would love to be contradicted and to see examples of horsmen with lances but without any sort of a secondary melee weapon.
@Test-lm2bx
@Test-lm2bx 9 жыл бұрын
"I think you are right in this video. I would love to be contradicted and to see examples of horsmen with lances but without any sort of a secondary melee weapon."And you think they would just drop them instantly ,have their swords in their hand and reequip their spear later?That's doesn't. work,by the time they draw their swords they aren't lancers anymore.
@singami465
@singami465 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, I've got a question: Suppose you're trained in only one weapon. However, for some reason, you can't use it and instead pick up a weapon you're not trained with. Assuming it's a weapon that uses the same amount of hands, to which extent can you use the techniques you've learned with your "main" weapon? With which weapons does it work best? This is mainly due to comments I see under videos, which say "Oh, he's not using the weapon properly, but like he were to handle XYZ".
@ProjectThunderclaw
@ProjectThunderclaw 9 жыл бұрын
Seems pretty obvious to me that the more similar the weapons are, the more transferable the technique will be. It's probably easy to use axe techniques with a warhammer but nigh impossible with a rapier. That's at the extreme end of the spectrum, though; there's usually some applicability. Also consider that the transfer isn't necessarily symmetrical; using spear techniques with a halberd should work just fine, but hooking with a spear is straight up impossible. Lastly, remember that "not using the weapon properly" can mean "not in the historically accurate style." For instance, 19th century British sabers and Indian tulwars are pretty similar (barring some extreme examples) and it probably doesn't matter much which one you pick up, but British and Indian swordsmanship was vastly different.
@EclipsisTenebris
@EclipsisTenebris 9 жыл бұрын
ProjectThunderclaw Actually, the Tulwar is a bad example, since they tend to lock your wrist to be used with a shield in an asian fighting style which uses your entire body for swings. Something a bit closer to each other, might be a Katana and a Swiss Saber. Both are two handed sabers, but have vastly different techniques in their original styles.
@lancerd4934
@lancerd4934 9 жыл бұрын
Depends on how similar they are. Physical fitness, good footwork and hand-eye coordination are transferrable to most activities in life. In terms of weapons you can use many spear, quarterstaff, poleaxe and bayonet techniques more or less interchangeably. Likewise many techniques for one handed swords also work for clubs, axes, maces etc and a few guards and cuts for one handed and longswords are very similar. Ochs and pflug are used in both, for example (as well as being modified into the hanging guard and tierce/carte respectively in later fencing styles). That said, if you haven't practiced with it you may not be as familiar with things like the speed you can move it or how far it can reach, and you may be limited to techniques that work for both. For example if you trained in arming sword and found yourself using a warhammer, you probably won't be able to use the thrusts that you'd normally use with the sword, and you won't be terribly familiar with the hooking techniques made possible by the hammer.
@NoahWeisbrod
@NoahWeisbrod 9 жыл бұрын
He has mentioned this in other videos. Although Tudor backsword and Victorian saber had vastly different styles, the two swords are physically similar enough to use the other's techniques without any real problems.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 9 жыл бұрын
I'll make a video about this :-)
@qiangluo1974
@qiangluo1974 9 жыл бұрын
lance is good at counter charge the incoming cavalry. 9~12foot in length, you can either struck the men or the horse before they can even reach you. without a shield and armor lance is a very dangerous weapon to face on horseback. it require both good swordmenship and horsemenship together to counter attack a charging lancer. lancers with much lighter horse and equipment can stop or break much heavier sword cavalry with bigger horse. but once momentum of the charge is stopped, the lance become too heavy and formation will be squished too tight to manuver the lance. they usually discard the lance and using the sword. and lance usually stuck or break e in the opponent's body or his horses'. there is usually a leather strip tied at the back of the lance to help pulling it out. you can either choose to pull the lance or draw the sword depends on the situation.
@lancerd4934
@lancerd4934 9 жыл бұрын
My impression of western European lancers is that they were specialised mainly for engaging other cavalry much like the modern fighter is specialised for engaging other planes, being mounted on fast horses and being relatively lightly equipped. In that case the lance has a significant reach advantage over the sword, but perhaps not so much over the infantry's bayonets. I need to do more research to confirm this though.
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA 9 жыл бұрын
lancer D Actually most military authorities of the 19th century considered the lancer as a cavalry type specialized for fighting infantry, since against them the musket-and-bayonet armed infantry could only rely on their firepower for protection, the 8-9 foot long lance easily outreaching the bayonet. In several battles during the Napoleonic War infantry squares were able to fend off attacks by cuirassiers and hussars with their bayonets alone after rain or snow has dampened their powder, but were unable to resist attacks by French lancers. Against other cavalry (armed with sabers) the effectiveness of lancers was heavily questioned, with some officers considering the lance as panacea while others completely dismissed them as novelties of little use. Most writers agreed that using the lance effectively required a much higher degree of training and physical conditioning for both men and horse compared to the saber (which was not always achievable) otherwise the lance was little more than an encumbrance. Which was why some lancer formations such as the Vistula Uhlans (consisting mostly of long service veterans) and Napoleon's Polish Guards (recruited mostly from young noblemen bred to the saddle) were regarded as invincible against cavalry, while others had more sketchy reputation.
@koffieslikkersenior
@koffieslikkersenior 9 жыл бұрын
Could you perhaps explain how the lance was removed from someone while on on horseback? I've heard it's got something to do with your wrist, but I can't figure it out. I always thought you'd just impale someone and leave it there.
@tiggle5485
@tiggle5485 4 жыл бұрын
I know this comment is old, but I’m pretty sure that’s what they did: just impale someone, drop the lance, and draw a secondary weapon
@stjarnar
@stjarnar 2 жыл бұрын
The couched lance charge's main purpose was to psychout/knockout the infantry/cavalry with an initial charge. For infantry, the couched lance charge was used to break the discipline of a line and cause them to scatter in fear from which a side arm (a sword) could be drawn to finish them off. Needless to say, a hoard of 40 heavy cavalry roaring towards you and slamming with a bunch of lances was devastating for infantry. Even pikemen, who were best equiped with brace tactics were often in great fear of heavy cav charges. For cav vs cav, the main goal was to slam into eachother in the hopes of taking out the other. If a miss occurred they would turn and continue to do a rally charge. If enough distance is closed they would just drop the lance and continue without it. If the lances hit they would just leave it and immediately switch to side arm if they are still in the fight.
@sststr
@sststr 9 жыл бұрын
You once had a Polish fellow talking about Polish sabre, don't suppose you could find a Polish expert on the Hussars? Best lancers ever! :)
@psylegio
@psylegio 9 жыл бұрын
Found this anecdote on: www.napolun.com/mirror/web2.airmail.net/napoleon/cavalry_Napoleon.html At Waterloo Sir Ponsonby together with his adjutant, Mjr Reignolds made a dash to own line, and a French lancer began pursuing them. While they were crossing a plowed field, Ponsonby's horse got stuck in the mud and in an instant, the lancer was upon him. Ponsonby threw his saber away and surrendered. Reignolds came to his aid, but the lancer compelled both of them to dismount under the threat of his lance. At that moment, a group of Scots Grays happened to pass a short distance away, saw the three and galloped shouting in their direction with the idea of liberating Sir Ponsonby. "In a flash, the Frenchman killed the general and his major with 2 blows of his lance then charged the oncoming dragoons striking down 3 in less than a minute. The others abandoned the combat completely incapable of holding their own ..." A. Barbero - "The Battle"
@sae1095hc
@sae1095hc 9 жыл бұрын
Recently saw a National Geographic documentary called Apocalypse: World War 1 which had several clips of German and Russian lancers riding on the battlefield carrying their lances. It seemed kind of strange.
@synRdave
@synRdave 9 жыл бұрын
Kudos Matt I think you figured out a family riddle in an old family bible we have I was reading about a entry where it talked about deaths and one of the entry's said William Ellis hilander of the black watch died 18 something it was ripped and couldn't read the rest and it was a mystery so I think you figured a mystery for my family thanks
@nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978
@nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978 4 жыл бұрын
cavalry operates by two ancient and venerable doctrines developed in greece. iolo - means "fearlessly charging" and ieet - means "swift maneuvering and retreating" historically, cavalry would charge in the name of aries while yelling "ζεις μονο μια φορα!" before being shortened to "Iolos!" they would strike once then quickly retreat to get new spears. A cavalryman would shout "ieet!" to let nearby comrades know that he had expended his spear and is returning to get a new one.
@coleateraldmg950
@coleateraldmg950 9 жыл бұрын
My question is: how long could a lancer expect to hold on to his lance, in general? Was break on impact a regular occurrence, or could this be minimized with proper technique?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 9 жыл бұрын
James Hatfield It depends entirely on the type of lance and the way the lancer is being deployed.
@coleateraldmg950
@coleateraldmg950 9 жыл бұрын
That'd be an interesting video topic if you ever find yourself in need. Any books/authors that you could recommend on calvary tactics?
@Tombolippe
@Tombolippe 9 жыл бұрын
ever understood how lances work at all. If a lancer sticks an enemy at full speed, how does he retreat the lance out of the falling enemies body whilst riding past? Wont the lance, due to his speed, just get ripped out of his hand?
@andrewhorton6120
@andrewhorton6120 5 жыл бұрын
I always thought the entire point of lance use was to leave the lance firmly embedded in the first opponent you reach and then switch to your next weapon. If you read the Frank Thompson novel King Arthur that is what they do and it sounds perfectly plausible. They sometimes carried a number of lances per man (I realize that book is still a work of fiction).
@mariocassina90
@mariocassina90 9 жыл бұрын
But if you take a look at bull fight in Spain where lancers actually are used while riding an horse they don't break into pieces, They have "wings" that prevent them to stuck too deep into the bull's back and be taken back to hit again.
@dhgascon
@dhgascon 9 жыл бұрын
what is the difference between a lance and a spear besides being used on horseback?
@drewr.schulz728
@drewr.schulz728 9 жыл бұрын
Is there any information on how lancers in the 19th century protected themselves if they charged another group of lancers? Compared to the shields and armor of medieval men-at-arms, Victorian soldiers were extremely vulnerable. Did they really just charge each other and hope that they didn't skewer each other?
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 7 жыл бұрын
This is why I like playing cav in M&BNW DLC
@elicharles1038
@elicharles1038 7 жыл бұрын
Napoleon I Bonaparte honestly you probably haven't been in the sapper master race club
@jozefkozon4520
@jozefkozon4520 5 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g72FbJN-0cWth6M.html You control the horse with your legs, while the lance works with both hands, depending on the situation. With a well-made lance, a properly trained lancer will be able to parry attacks. Above I give the link, although without subtitles (with your loss) where a typical dry training with a lance is shown. No offense, but the Napoleonic wars and confrontation with Polish uhlans in Napoleon's army proved the superiority of lance practice over British theory. Koniem kierujesz swoimi nogami, zaś lancą pracujesz oburącz, zależnie od sytuacjii. Odpwiednio wykonaną lancą, stosownie wytrenowany lansjer będzie umiał parować ataki. Powyżej podaję link, co prawda bez napisów (z waszą stratą) gdzie pokazany jest typowy trening na sucho walki z lancą. Bez urazy, ale wojny napoleońskie i konfrontacja z polskimi ułanami w wojskach Napoleona dowiodły o przewadze praktyki lancy nad brytyjską teorią. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hJages6JzLbVhKc.html
@Heiryuu
@Heiryuu 9 жыл бұрын
My Brother is a Saber fighter and i wanted to give him a saber for his birthday. however i'm having trouble finding a good functional saber. do you know of any good smiths, or companies that sell sabers?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 9 жыл бұрын
Heiryuu Regenyei Armoury, Danelli Armouries and Darkwood Armories, to name a few.
@Heiryuu
@Heiryuu 9 жыл бұрын
thank you very much!
@_DarkEmperor
@_DarkEmperor 9 жыл бұрын
Heiryuu www.szablapolska.com/index.php/szabla-husarska-typ-3 Expensive, but very well made sabres. Other sabres in the menu on the left side of webpage.
@Heiryuu
@Heiryuu 9 жыл бұрын
jhjkhgjhfgjg jgjyfhdhbfjhg wow, they are beautiful! thank you for the link
@bilgames2700bc
@bilgames2700bc 9 жыл бұрын
what do u think abt lance vs spear, wouldnt a spear be able to do both charging and short range combat
@Test-lm2bx
@Test-lm2bx 9 жыл бұрын
***** Well I disagree in unarmored combat at least on foot the spear is a better weapon than the sword and if he get's close(which he can't simply without being skewered) you can grip the spear differently.
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA 9 жыл бұрын
***** Actually I would say it's the other way around, the Romans were quite unique in the history of martial arts in that they actually used the sword and shield as their primary armament. The spear and its ils was the most popular prinary infantry weapon throughout much of military history, pretty much every culture used a form of polearm as their primary battlefield weapon for most combatans not using missile weapons. That's not saying that the sword was not important, it was the most practical weapon for storming a fortified city for example which made up for a lot fighting in human history, but on the open battlefield whenever there's space the polearm reigned supreme. From the spear and shield wall of the Vikings and the Anglo Saxons, to the poleaxe and lance of the knights in shining armor, the yari and naginata of the samurais and ashigaru and warrior monks, the Chinese qiang (commonly referred in Chinese martial arts as the "king" of weapons), the pike and halberds of the Swiss and the Scots. And not just because its cheap and easy to make but because its AWESOME; as any HEMA practitioner (including Matt) can tell you one on one a spearman is a very challenging opponent for a swordman, even one with a shield. A noob with a spear can actually make a pretty decent showing against a good fighter with a sword!
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA 9 жыл бұрын
*****​​​ Have u tried sparring with a spearmen using a sword in HEMA or similar martial arts? If you havent trust me its difficult to say the least, and knocking the spear aside doesnt accomplish much; the spearman can simply step back or to the side (or change his grip a little) and you as the swordman are back where you start. On the other hand its very difficult for a swordsman to counter all the very quick feints an aggressive spearman would be making, the spearman can stab you in the face and then in the leg often faster than you can parry. With a shield your odds improve, but its still difficult. Like I said a noob spearman can fight well against a fairly good swordsman, you only have to do HEMA long enough to see that!:) The spear did not dissapear as a mass battlefield weapon either after the large scale appearance of the sword; in fact in the Late Ronan Empire the legionnaires reverted back to using the one handed spear as their primary weapon. The spear also was the primary weapon of the Anglo Saxon and Viking professional fighting men, even though all these men too have swords. Really the one handed spear and shield combo was only replaced in Europe once the appearance of complex armor made it ineffective, and it was replaced by two handed polearms. All over the medieval world the spearmen with large shields and single handed spears remained the most common type of infantry all the way to the 13th century, and these were not some ill equipped rabble either, but very often armored (and sword-equipped) mercenaries and militiamen. www.regia.org/research/warfare/spear.htm
@_DarkEmperor
@_DarkEmperor 9 жыл бұрын
***** In a real battle, a cavalry would avoid staying and fighting in one place. Cavalry would charge and retreat, charge again, retreat and so on, or just ride over enemy. So Your point, that lance is good only on a charge is irrelevant, because CHARGE IS WHAT A CAVALRY DO.
@GurniHallek
@GurniHallek 9 жыл бұрын
How much damage a lance inflicts anyway? 1d10? 2d8? Anyway, surviving 17 blows would not be very difficult for someone so high-le... ranked as him.
@freelancerider100
@freelancerider100 Жыл бұрын
I'm combat where the mounted soldier was slowed in melee.... the control of the horse would be given- and both hands would be thrusting at the forward obstructions!
@The_Gallowglass
@The_Gallowglass 9 жыл бұрын
I can tell you from playing Mount & Blade: Warband, this is ultimately true. Unless someone gets some good speed on you with a couched lance (or otherwise) and runs you through you're likely to survive a few lance wounds (as they've nerfed lances several times). All you can do as a lancer is either keep going full speed and find another target, or swap for your sword. You could circle the opponent and keep poking at them with lance, but that wont be effective against skilled infantry. That being said, Warband has a mod for Napoleonic Wars and there are several regiments in that community. If they're doing an official regimental line battle, cavalry becomes that much weaker, when regiments of foot are trained to square up (blob) to stop cavalry. At that point all the cavalry can do is harass and wait for allied infantry to engage. The worst thing you can do is try to fight on an incline laterally, or upward, while on horseback. It takes a skilled and patient cavalryman to make even a sabre effective fighting in uneven terrain. The one upside of being dismounted as a lancer is that you now have a rather effective pike. ;D If you play it, we could get a few people from your channel together to do a battle, or skirmish. If you have the stones for it. >:)
@39Thorns
@39Thorns 6 жыл бұрын
Russian Cossacks used lances with hands-free horsemanship into the 20th century. Don't know much beyond that, but seems to be relevant info. With a shashka and sawed-off shotgun too.
@jksmuga1
@jksmuga1 8 жыл бұрын
Remember the battle of Albuera ??
@heretyk_1337
@heretyk_1337 8 жыл бұрын
Los Infernos Picadores. Skirmish near Los Yébenes(or Yevenes) 24 March 1809. Only reason Polish Lancers got out of there was the fact they had lances
@AmateurCaptain
@AmateurCaptain 3 жыл бұрын
But how accurate is that account that you read? It's likely that they would exeggerate how many lancers they killed etc.
@MaverickCulp
@MaverickCulp 9 жыл бұрын
So is a lance just a spear used on horseback, or is there actually a fundamental difference between the two?
@guilherme95069
@guilherme95069 9 жыл бұрын
very good man
@entropy11
@entropy11 9 жыл бұрын
You got me very confused, Matt, using a Lindybeige-style video title. XD
@dariogonzalez4041
@dariogonzalez4041 9 жыл бұрын
if a lancer were to drop their lance during a melee, would they have to pay for a new one? or is the lance provided to them by the military? Also the lance could be used against them if they drop it do its a double edged sword if you drop the lance.
@lancerd4934
@lancerd4934 9 жыл бұрын
They were issued lances, but they may have had their pay docked for losing equipment. Only officers had to buy their own gear privately (in the British army at least). Yes, a dropped lance could be used against you, but so could a dropped sword, pistol, carbine etc. There is an account I have somewhere of British cavalry in Africa having terrible trouble with opponents who would lie down to avoid being hit by their sabres. They solved this problem by looting their opponent's spears and using them as lances for better reach.
@GallowglassAxe
@GallowglassAxe 9 жыл бұрын
I've been studying Irish martial arts and particularly around the 16th century. What I found that was weird is that the Irish cavalry prefer to fight bareback and use their lances overhand. Since the Irish were never one who favored direct open field combat (most battles there were done around forest or marshes) its possible that this style was better suited for melee fighting rather than a straight on attack.
@memikell
@memikell 3 жыл бұрын
Stay on point!
@MaceLupo
@MaceLupo 8 жыл бұрын
What I am wondering about is if it possible to kill more than one enemy with a lance. I immagine that if someone gets hit by a lance the raider will not be able to hold grip on it because of strong forces and impalement. After that it is sword time or some other weapon.
@Washeek
@Washeek 8 жыл бұрын
+Der deutsche Adler There are techniques on how to twist the lance from a body while riding past. So it was possible. I wouldn't think that it happened that often though. Try searching Matts channel maybe? I think he talked about that somewhere.
@MaceLupo
@MaceLupo 8 жыл бұрын
Václav Med Thanks, must be a difficult technique
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