It's biased propaganda, that's what it is

@@henkburg826 why do you have to be this way...

how is it biased propaganda

@@henkburg826you comments are biased

@@henkburg826 Because Napoleon lost? How tf is it Biased propaganda

Bondarchuk’s hands were tired; you can’t have the Prussian Army without black uniforms and the Death’s Head 🤩

I think the author is simply taking this film as an opportunity to teach about Napoleonic era uniforms.

That's such a sad scene

Another inaccuracy, Hay was killed the day before on the rtreat from Quatre Bras

No worries! I know, I do feel bad for not hurrying up and finishing the whole review, but hey, at least you get a ten minute sneak preview of sorts!

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Did Part 2 ever get posted? I hope I didn't miss it in the search. Only recently discovered your channel.

@@veergauba Read the pinned comment on Part 1.

Laura Hubbard The Prussian language was extinct in the 19th century.

@@jurapilis Nothing to do with language. The image of militaristic Prussians was pretty much a stereotype until no one knew what a Prussian was.

Laura Hubbard My point is that the Prussians were a peaceful Baltic tribe eliminated by the Germanic Teutonic Knights. Another shameless genocide.

@@terriblecontent4408 - I would guess that Crayola, which operates mostly in North America, figured that the term “Prussian” meant nothing to most Americans. It still has very strong connotations in Europe, as Prussia was the chief state responsible for the rise and eventual unification of Germany. Phrases like Prussian discipline are still widely understood in Europe.

@@jurapilis - Quite how peaceful the Old Prussians were is debatable. Plenty of them survived the conquest in the 13th century, and the language was still being spoken in the 16the century I believe.

Do you know what song the Scottish soldiers were singing on the march to Waterloo?

Yeah, you are quite right. That lends further credibility to the idea that they re-used a lot of stuff from 'War and Peace', including the Carabiniers stuff.

Except shako is a modern term back in the day they would of used the term cap and the British troops had come from depots and garrisons so would be refitted

Thank you for the heart :)

No problem. It is a shame like you said the film missed out quite a few parts of the battle, would love to one day see a proper TV Drama or something covering the battle and the numerous engagements during the campaign.

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Ya even if they take 4 or 5 hours we will still enjoy them infact we will love to see more of the action.

I once saw a French/Egyptian film about that campaign but I can't remember what it was called or who was in it.

Should be either end of the month or first half of next depending how things go. EDIT 27/06/2020: Some time within the next few months I swear!

No, the whole line transitioned over to non reversed facings as far as I am aware. I only used the Osprey illustration since it was the best I could find at the time and many books an illustrations don't mention the switch in uniforms for musicians since it is one of those facts that has often been overlooked (like the 95th in Belgics). Not sure which Osprey book, my guess would be one of their ones on the Waterloo campaign (they did several). I have the eBook for Quatre Bras and it is not in there, so my guess would be whatever one covers Hougemont or the Allied Centre. Back when I used to do re-enacting, our regiment (the 44th East Essex) dressed in the Peninsula era uniform but before the Waterloo anniversary, we transitioned over to the new uniforms and so on as best we could, which meant the musicians had to switch over their uniforms as well since that was apparently what was laid out in the regulations of the time. Since the musicians tunics cost £250-300, I doubt my group, and virtually all the other groups who did the same (pretty sure the 9th and a few other regts in Peninsula uniforms did as well), would have switched over if they were not sure that the musicians were not in reversed facings by 1815, and the NA today is pretty big on research, in fact is was through them that I first learned of the 95th switching to Belgics. Maybe some men kept their old uniforms till they wore out, but equipment did not have a very long lifespan back than and would often wear out after only a year, which is one reason why the Stovepipe was dropped for the Belgic since the new shako was meant to last longer. Here are some pictures from the 44th Facebook page: scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/33176540_10156473101327392_351718479641968640_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=G2DWzsPVt68AX9y_2hX&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=616c33b4ca06003b8cbcf95ed0625a85&oe=5EB6C119 scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/14125678_10207182563497791_671995608812608415_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=gKQ1LBceA7wAX8VtLqQ&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=cfa66f14b99edace1c83d92e264a8af6&oe=5EB4C31C I quit re-enacting some years ago, so I don't know if I still have the paperwork where they talked about the change in uniforms (that would have been in 2012 and I think I left around 2013, one reason why I don't have everything), might have a few contacts I could try and get in touch with who might know which regulation deals with musicians coats.

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I would just be interested in the period sources Osprey used. I will endeavour to find a copy online or once this quarantines over. A friend of mine in the 33rd reenactment group explained that during his research for the group, they discovered only the buglers changed, and that the drummers and fifers remained in their white reversed coats until the 1830s. Apparently this is not only limited to the 33rd but across the board. The idea that remigments at Waterloo had transitioned to red tunics he believes is a reenactorism, set in during the 80s and since become taken as the truth, much the same as you say with the shakos of the 95th, and the idea of stovepipes at waterloo all starting with a reenactor turned author who made the claim. Its a fascinating discussion, that challenges both sides of the spectrum when it comes to perceptions of uniform and the army during the campaign. The funny thing is that regardless of whether Waterloo 1970 was unintentionall accurate or not on the interesting point of musicians, I doubt they really debated or researched into the first hand acounts, quartermaster records and surviving tunics of each regiment while making the film, perhaps unfortunatley but understandably.

@Tom with a Thompson With the Belgic Shako , I believe it was actually started by a historian in the 60's who wrote in a book that he believed that the Light Infantry wore Stovepipes, but he was a bit more cautious. However, it got taken as fact for many years. The 95th have a few articles where they talk about it (think it is linked in the description, if not will be in the proper review when it is done). I am not sure with the 80's thing, since I am pretty certain the NA did not really get going till the 90's. The Miniatures Page has these threads on the drummers uniforms: theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=35957 theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=301104 It could well be then that some Colonels ignored the orders and kept their drummers in old uniforms, but it would have varied.

They weren’t called shakes then the word didn’t exist they were called caps ,

If you look in the description, there are some links in there talking about it. Might not have all of them, they will be there when I do the full Part 2 of the Waterloo review (at some point this year hopefully). If the links don't work, the the 95th Rifles Re-enactment group has a research forum where they have done quite a bit of work discussing the topic and looking through original sources (with mention to the soldiers wearing the new 'bang up' shako and so forth). EDIT: Their link seems to have been taken down since I uploaded this video, although the picture showing some contemporary images of riflemen in the Belgic is still available: www.95th-rifles.co.uk/files/cache/5617a566ee1a069ab6a868e35959fece.png I will see if it has been archived anywhere.

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier very interesting, there are contemporary illustrations that show what appear to be 95th in 1812 pattern in Paris, but the thing to remember is that the KGL lights wore green and were in the 1812 pattern. Also there is not a single surviving 1812 pattern 95th shako which considering that they were only worn for a limited period you would think there would be.

@@andybrace9225 I'd say the fact they were worn for a limited time supports the opposite, hence why there are not so many (in fact, how many have survived from that time period?), not to mention there were far less light infantry battalions in the British army compared to line. Got an archived link: web.archive.org/web/20171031155537/www.95th-rifles.co.uk/equipment/regimental-cap/ " Colonel Barnard records that in April 1813 the 95th were re-equipped, with only the 1st battalion being maintained in the old 1806 pattern caps. [xxiv] The 1st battalion could be expected to continue in these old caps as long as, but not longer than one year, so to April 1814, by which time they had arrived in England and experienced another re-issue.[xxv]" Also some contemporary evidence: "The letter in the Rifle Brigade Chronicle is from Barnard at St. Simon, April 1, 1813, to Alexander Cameron, and says, " I have had caps enough in store to help the appearance of the 1st Batt. as it used to be but the 2nd and 3rd sport bang ups as the soldiers of the 52nd who were the first in the Division that put them on have christened them..""

Read the description, all sources are there. If not, this is a good starting place: napoleonistyka.atspace.com/French_infantry.html#_uniforms

You are wrong, it is of Richard Neville: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Neville_(soldier)

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier oh it seems I got the pictures mixed up, well thanks for that info 😃

It does feel like that if you want to make a film with a large battle scene, you have to conscript the Russians to do it!

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier lol yep, or get re-enactors like we've said before 🙂 for some reason that rarely seems to occur to them though

@@1IbramGaunt Funnily enough, documentaries do all the time. I won't say what documentary but some years ago a few of us were hired to shoot some stuff for a documentary. It was quite funny, because we had to film it in a warehouse in London in the middle of January (it was snowing outside!), but the campaign we were meant to be showing was during the height of summer! We were there, having to pretend to pass out from heatstroke whilst shivering because of the temperature! Still, it probably saved the company money since we came with all of our kit, which altogether costs something like £1000 and we were paid about £100 I think for that days work, so it would have cost them far more if they made the kit themselves. Why they don't just hire re-enactors more like you say is beyond me! With some of these companies, I think it is because they hate authenticity so much and want to deliberately make it inaccurate!

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier well you could probably have gotten a few portable heater-fans in if they really wanted the sweating to be more authentic haha, after all it probably wouldn't take much under all that heavy wool 😜 just be glad you didn't have to go out to India to do those frankly godawful too-many-years-later, even-cheaper-budget Sharpe sequel episodes, 'Sharpe's Challenge' and 'Sharpe's Peril' (although the authenticity of those would certainly have been helped by having a few more actually British people involved of ANY sort let alone experienced re-enactors)

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier and yeah I remember full well the cost of well-made authentic re-enactment gear from my Sealed Knot days, isn't a cheap hobby at the best of times and I was going through a tough financial patch at the time so had to sell off my gear and stop sadly (most of mine like the armour, helmet, napsack, baldrick and sword I'd bought from the others in the regiment bit-by-bit second-hand you see, although stuff like the shirt, coat, shoes, hose and breeches were brand-new and fitted very nicely, so was sad to see them go but needs must). Often thought about trying to get back into it again, maybe try out a different historical period this time, just don't often have the time or money as before though

I saw it many years ago, but can't remember it too well. From what little I can remember, yes the uniforms were pretty good and accurate.

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Thanks! It's nice to know that it's possible to make historical dramas that are historically accurate, at least on a visual level, without a massive budget.

When I did re-enacting, most of them were made by people linked with the regiment (I think the wife of our then Major made the tunics). There are some outlets out there though that sell some stuff like shakos and tunics for certain regiments.

D.S. Archer The 1st Life Guards Would have worn Red.

What is known as The Blues And Royals today would have worn Blue.

Thanks for this, I am probably going to re-record some parts so, if true, I will update when I do the full Part 2 review.

Read the pinned comment on part 1 for more details but basically, I am not working on it due to me getting hit with copyright claims. It's one reason why I completely redo the videos now to have as few clips as possible. I am also very busy with other videos I want to get done, particularly now the Napoleon movie is out.

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier That’s a crime given how good your analysis of this amazing film. Would you consider still shots instead of clips?

What are you talking about? The Grenadiers wore blue tunics and bearskins, the white coated cavalry in Waterloo are quite clearly Carabiniers with the helmets, breast and backplates.

Yes, I believe in the end credits it says something like "with thanks to the Gordon Highlanders". There is a chap who is currently writing a book about the film (who I have helped a little bit) so he would be the fellow to ask.

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier The book is out now; I have a copy...

it's called a "cocarde"

We take our tea sweet in Britain... and our tacos plain

The 3rd Grenadiers of the Guard were virtually wiped out in Russia (something like 60 survived out of 800) and they were disbanded afterwards. The 3rd Regiment at Waterloo, despite having the name, was a new regiment raised a mere weeks before the battle and was in blue like the rest.

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier i see, thank you for informing me

I think I have a bit on that recorded for part 2 of the review (definitely remember mentioning the soldiers reloading a little bit too quick in some shots!)

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I can't actually find part 2

@@leojordan5119 I've not released it yet (this video is a section of it I uploaded as a preview). I have it recorded but have been focused on all my Tudor and other related videos of late. I'll try to get it released sometime this year hopefully.

Not sure. I know when the British Army introduced the Belgic Shako to replace the Stovepipe Shako, one of the hopes was that the new shako would last longer so it wouldn't need to be replaced as much so it could have been the old tricorns were wearing out faster and shakos were more durable. I think I remember seeing something about generals thinking they might be able to stop sabres from cavalrymen but this didn't really help much! Shakos also have a lot of room at the top so you can keep things in them, which helps as well. I know the French Army in the 1790's tried to adopt the Tarleton helmet (the helmet with the caterpillar crest) but they were so hated by the troops, there were accounts of men throwing them in the Rhine!

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier thank you good sir! i visited fort laramie in the us (post civil war indian "wars") and the tour guide talked about how much the caterpillar helmet sucked so i cant say i blame the french

My guess would be the budget ran out or they were saving money so just re-used some old ones or something.

Nah, I will make whatever videos I like, thank you. You can fuck off if you don't like it.

I use that picture as my profile picture because I want to use it, you utter clown. There isn't a rule saying your name has to match your profile picture.

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eh? What on earth do you mean?

19th century and 1900s is different,sir

@@deepyamandas1192 What do you mean? Where the hell did I say 1900's in the video?!

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I am not saying to you I meant to say to the commentor because as you said 19th century in the video,many people tend to mistaken it with the 1900s.

@@deepyamandas1192 Well it notified me so KZfaq probably messed up and sent the reply to me instead (I love the KZfaq comment system!) No idea what the original commenter was on about though (could be he mistook 19th century for 1900's), but I wonder if he saw 1970 in the title and thought that I was saying the battle was in that year or something silly!

"...so sorry if it isn't up to your scrutiny of authenticity and they had to cut corners" You are aware I am a fan of the film, right?

Hey! I didn't subscribe for this nit-picking scrutiny!! Must admit I never spotted the Mosin-Nagants and I have one, I'll be looking out for them now @smellyfella5077 ...and thank you @The_Laughing_Cavalier for ruining my viewing! Just kidding🤣

Missed? You are aware this isn't the full part 2 of the Waterloo review, right? Pretty much everything you said is in the script for part 2 if/when I make it someday.

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier err, it doesnt say part 1 in the heading or in your commentary. So, no.

@@clive3490 0:27 please learn to listen before commenting

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier "upcoming" the video has been up for 3 years....

@@clive3490 Yes, I pinned a comment in Part 1 of the review explaining why I had to put part 2 on hold. At the time I made this it was going to be coming out but circumstances changed.

And a lot are too soft on the film.

Your opinion was wrong but thanks

no way napoleon was great in this film. best one to be put on screen to date.

Heard you the first time.