LMAOOOO

bro looks like the sus guy

@@kara-mari9909jerma

@@kara-mari9909 dont disrespect jerma like that 😭😭😭

HELP 💀

Him and Alex, that's why they both got booted off

Also Natalie

Kagami too

@@battyofficialytno how tf is she sane 💀

@@carleennnn Wdym? She’s chill and intelligent tbh, the only problem is that she believed Lila

ikr like i wanted that to happen so bad and i really wanted adrien to find out about gabriel being monarch so i’m so mad lmao😭

Didn’t we sort of see that in ephemeral? Actually I’m not sure if it was ephemeral but I know it happened in one of the alternate reality episodes

​@@mandyyyy1255it happened in Chat Blanc, but there was no hint of internal conflict whatsoever. Hawkmoth basically went "Oh you're my son, let me slam you into a wall lol"

it did happen in chat blanc and ---SPOILER ALLERT--- in the movie that was released this years

Right i wanna see him devastated and conflicted not whatever fuck he did

Well they did hint at Miss Bustiers pregnancy in the New York special. All the way back in season 3. Longest pregnancy in recent times.

I'm still thinking she lost the baby

​@evilraccon no she's still pregnant, just hasn't had the baby

@@clockworkcleo1297nah she has had it now, you see him in the last episode of season 5

@@72Worker technically the whole show has been over one year so far so

no literally im so mad about the season 5 finale rn

Yup😢

Omg fr! 🥺

no yeah the fanfiction scene of this fandom has kept it alive for the older fans imo... the show itself wasn't the best from the beginning, but it's become unwatchable at this point

Right😭

Literally 😭 it happened way too many times and each time it happened I was never suprised☠️

​@joe-fk5ud the first time it happened it was cool , and I loved felix but now it's so overused , it's not fun nor engaging anymore

AH HA HA HA HA

**insert kiras theme**

i cant believe marinette couldnt tell if her it was her boyfriend, or her boyfriend's evil twin. like girl you cannot be THAT BLIND

this made me laugh out loud

The fact that she respected Gabriel’s wishes instead of respecting Adrien enough to give him the truth that he needed…. Utterly ridiculous

lol but its really true-

Will always say that season 2 was the best finale. It was a small group of heroes with a good dynamic and then It went back to just them and they’re were just perfect. They were EQUAL. Easily one of the best finales out of all the seasons.

@@mandyyyy1255 ridiculous UTTERLY RIDICULOUS

Lmao fallout fans do that too

It’s hilarious

There ain't even a love-hate relationship anymore it's just straight up hate.

​@@SpagettiSpeltWrongand can you even blame us? Like come on. The state the show is in is unacceptable at this point

@@SpagettiSpeltWrong I think some of us still love what the show used to be, at least.

YES PLS 😭🙏🙏

Delusion is key

EMBRCE DELUSION😭 i’m gonna have that tattooed on my FACE

Delusion is the fans only salvation

@@hennyharket That will actually be a bad idea as it would suggest that people should embrace ANY delusion. Doesn’t that strike you as crazy? 😒🙁🤔 But lol, I support the idea of rejection of canon MLB. 😂 it’s all over the place!

exactly!! it’s so obvious that they’re just making things up as they go. if it weren’t for them making alot of famous fan-theories canon, and the superhero-lovesquare plot, this show probably would’ve been cancelled years ago.

@@MikaylaUnfilteredyes! And honestly thank God I'm not the only one who thinks they just took the sentimonster theory and ran with it bc they couldn't think of any other 'interesting' plots to add💀

it pains me to agree that they're pulling a riverdale type situation w miraculous ...

Looking at this show is like listening to a video on repeat, but switching up the sequences every now and then in attempts to get a different result. But in a way it's still predictable.

Not only that the release schedule for the show has always been nuts

I literally left the fandom a long time ago but I still watch all the types of vids about it it's like I'm addicted to complaining about this dumpster fire 😭

Am I the only one who doesn't hate this show? 😭

​@@P1nkB3ars2yeah 💀

​@@babyxblueSAME I stopped watching after season 3, was still in the fandom season 4 but left completely season 5. I still like watching these videos, they're like my guilty pleasure.

Fr

Yea, lets ignore the plot hole and the many times when they said it been years

It has been nine months for them while it’s been half a decade for us 😭

It has been a decade for us mb 😭

AND ADRIEN AND MARINETTE ARE 13/14?

@@Thehistorygeographyandflagnerdi’m pretty sure miraculous was created in 2015? 😭

honestly that's a perfect description of all shippers irl

@@enchantedgoldrush its a perfect cautionary tale about not caring too much about what ships may or may not happen

I"m like shipping. But i know it's not Canon, and i don't care about it. (Fanfiction has better romántic stori lines anyways. I still don't understand why so many shippers want their favorite ship to be canon.

I know, right? It was kind of annoying in the show and they ruined a character that was actually pretty sane and nice Maybe this show is trying to teach us that everyone has a good side and a weird/bad side...

I KNOW RIGHT!!!

Agreed

Think about what that would to him think real hard

I think that's the plan for liela after all she knows the truth and could use that to break ladybug and cat noir in the future onece she knows chat is actually Adrien

i feel like he has to find out eventually? cause there’s no way ladybug doesn’t tell chat noir that hawkmoth was Gabriel, if she doesn’t tell him that’s just more confusing

@@gabes3dworldofficial it would give him trauma and shatter his world view? And that is a bad thing? His a fictinoal character not a real human and making him go through hardships is important to develop his character.

Maybe ten or twenty years from now, it'll get the She-Ra treatment from someone who grew up with the original show and can think of ways to make the lore and concepts into a more compelling plotline. Hopefully it'll be an actual Asian woman who can fix the orientalism and weirdly misogynistic characterisation too, haha.

You people should not even talk about this when you didn't watch the thing. It's the last of us 2 all over again, with "fans" feeling intitled to a story they don't own and severly lacking any form of adaptbility. Like you want the story to go your way, fine ! But ask yourselves if it will be in character for the characters and not how you imagine they are and what you want to do will bring and/or tell. There is a reason a story is told one way, it's for you to understand it. You don't like it good, but don't say it's bad writing just because it doesn't go your way. There are genuine bad writing out there but it isn't fair to say this because it's not what you wanted.

@@geoffreygoncalves931 ⁠the writers dont even write their own characters “in-character” either though lmao. And the writing isnt bad writing because it’s not what fans wanted. It’s just bad writing.

@@yorozuya1540 What do you even know ? They created those characters, they know who they are more than us. Like okay, do what I asked on my previous comment just to see.

​@@geoffreygoncalves931The creators literally base some of their work off the fans ideas. Of course there's going to be problems and people complaining about bad writing. At this point they're just dragging this story and it's literally been years. How did we go from Marinette fumbling over Adrien + Ladybug passing off Chat Noir to Marinette passing off Adrien for Chat? And most of the times the episodes just consist of Marinette stating she has an obvious problem and being comically bad at handling the situation until she turns into her ladybug form and learns her mistakes...it's like this girl's brain only gets 1000% smarter when she's in her 2nd persona. But then there's her lying and excluding Chat Noir to the point he changes his entire persona at one point. She used to be somewhat funny with her being comically clumsy. Now she's just insufferable and some of the characters are too. Like I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a plot twist of Nino turning against them cause he managed to release 2 superhero identities AT ONCE IN PUBLIC. Like I get the show is for kids and the point of it is to teach life lessons, but the characters shouldn't be this dumb.

Agreed

This show’s fanbase is the fallout of animated TV shows 💀

@@miraculousdream7028 Agreed 💯

When in doubt, fanfiction is there for you! 😃 I’m planning on making a post-nuclear apocalypse/Fallout and zombie-esque fanfic where the Miraculous world devolves into a nuclear war and the story centers around Chloe, Luka, and some other characters and a collection of OCs.

He literally had a time travelling miraculous and a perfect opportunity to use it and drop the recipe to the past, but he didn't, cuz... no. The writing couldn't be worse.

​@@TheSoulCalledZuziaIt's literally not even the writer which would have been much much better. It was Thomas jumping in and changing everything including Chloe's redemption arc cuz she was supposed to be a "forever hater" of Marinette. Istg, this show had SO MUCH potential to be the greatest superhero show ever created but no the creator himself just HAD to ruin it.

Hawk moth has to be written as an idiot to allow the show to continue as some genius gave him the tools to save Emelie but not the intelligence to know what to do with them. He had a Miraculous that can make anyone have any power or create any object. There is two ways to cure her right there.

A. Because he's delulu B. The miraculous can't give you the power that another miraculous can already do or something like that it's explained by one of the kwamis in an episode C. I think this falls under b as well And overall he's just incredibly stupid lmao

@@milo5021volpina, copycat, anti bug and timetagger all use powers of other miraculouses

Right?!?

Tbh, by all the bullshit that's already happening there , nothing is impossible at this point lmao 😭

It was insufferable to watch

And theyve been 14 for over 2 yrs atp

THEIR 14?! DUDE, I THOUGHT THEY WERE AT LEAST 16 OR 15

Characters barely face consequences in this show (apart from Chloe and probably a few other exceptions dunno) Tikki almost destroyed the world once. Her consequence? Nothing.

Kagami's mother being void of any consequence when she legit was a main villain throughout the plot of season 5 is truly something else.

YEAH

fr dude should be dead

need a redo of this series but with more adult themes where the characters start out making the same mistakes but actually fucking better themselves due to the consequences. PLEASE

To be honest, I kinda predicted that Lila or Cerise will become the Next Hawk Moth.

Emilie’s still dead though - it was Amelie in the final episode

80% of what you wrote in incorrect so I guess the show isn't such a disaster after all.

Real

No no, its okay you are right about that one

No that's just the truth

Scarlet lady supremacy

I wrote one where Natalie planned to kill Gabriel in an "accidental" house fire but then Marrinette as ladybug saves him and finds the butterfly miraculous on him and figures out he's hawkmoth Natalie takes Gabes place and Adrian eventually finds out that not only is his dad alive, but he's hawkmoth

The fucking emojis😭😭

How do you even get those emotes

its in the emoji icon captioned with "youtube"@@kms4829

This mater from that last episode was so complicated for me that I neded a video from yt to recognize this mater fully. And as far as I am concerned, Gabriel after being persuated by Marinette stated that he will join Emily in heaven (or what ever Astruc belives is after dead) and he will also bring Nathalie back to live This created a scenario, where: 1. He is with Emily in heaven (I don't think he deserwed it) 2. Truth about him will never comes out to the world (and to Adrien above all), even better, almost everyone thinks that he helped by introducing his aliances and also died when helping to defeat monarch (how ironic) 3. Adrien is now with Marinette and their relationship "can replace" their family as Adrien cannot live hithout her now (but still Gabriel wish can change that...) So, I think yes, this is stupid season ending where world lives in a big LIE, but at least it fits Gabriels ego (partially) I also love how easy is to persuade other person in this universe by one conversation...

​@@2__KUPS.on ❤❤

Always like Cat Noir over Ladybug tbh. Idk, I kinda find her a bit obnoxious at times.

@@fluffigefledermaus218 bfr she's the worst female main character written in cartoon history.

fr they give him left overs, darn not even scraps. Sheesh.

@@fluffigefledermaus218 shes worse than that shes a stalker and an outright bitch a lot of the time, but its okay because shes qUiRkY. Fucking hate her guts

​@@snowwhite5887even though he is also a main main character

In fact the biggest problem here is the show's creator Thomas himself. He fights against his own writers because they want to take the show on a more consistent and even serious level - and that's why we often see some characters growing up in a certain moment of the show -. However, the creator just appears and says "nah I don't want it" and just resets the character development of every single miraculous holder. When people first complained about Chloe's dev just being snapped out of existence my man Thomas just said on Twitter that Chloe was supposed to be forever a Marinette's hater and that's it now Chloe will always be forever hated even by her creator himself.

Trueeee that's why the development of each character is utterly ridiculous and inconsistent.

Thomas literally bullied some of his writers away from his company and the show production

I’m confused I thought it was Lucas birthday

and even if they still wanted to do this, they literally have civilian and hero versions of characters!!!! have the civilians be goofy and the heroes but tragic telenova vibes???? i just dont understand why they were constantly changing the heroes from being goofy and flirty to serious and tragic, its so annoying!!!! just rewrite the entire show at this point!!1!!

It's actually only the creator. The reason the show even turned out like this is not bc the writers were incompetent but because Thomas didn't like how the plot was progressing (same thing with Chloe's redemption arc. He tweeted that Chloe was supposed to be a "forever hater" of Marinette bc she was modelled after a school bully of his.) I think he even bullied his own writers to make the show go like this instead how it was sometimes when the character suddenly seemed much better and grown up all of a sudden.

the ending anyways seems too good to be true, I think it's quite possible that parts of it might be changed or revisted (maybe they need to realize it's too perfect and wake up from the dream as they realize a wish was made)

I one of that person xD I watch some episodes from S4 and 5, but not whole, propably waiting for season two years kill my thrill xD But still read fanfics, damn the many of them have better finale than what show present, at least they made reveal and father son confrontation.

Me exactly. It doesn’t help that there’s no concrete place to watch the show on streaming. Most people either pirate it or watch on cable or smth. The new episodes aren’t available anyways

lmao fr

I stopped at the museum episode in S3. I was a fan who always gad issues with the show, but I realised that I was just torturing myself. Someone save Cristina Vee and Bryce Papenbrook.

literally me

And propably yes, for me most shocking fact is after 5 seasons in their timeline is only 1 year after... Gabe was very busy man. And no, in Miracolous it's hard for character to develop, especially main characters for some reason.

Someone said the writing of miraculous felt like watching a 90s soap opera and I’ve never seen a statement that could be more accurate. Its like the writing room just makes stuff up as they go along. They care more about shock value rather than a consistent plot

Me! I started when I was in middle school and now I’m in college

Fr it feels like miraculous has just gotten worse overtime🗿

@@chiapoooh that's definitely true

There will be a season 6 actually where she will tell him

I know right! Midway into season 3 there was so much potential as Chloe was actually getting redeemed or so we thought but then Thomas decided lol nope and threw her redemption arc out the window then completely sidelined Chat Noir despite him being one of the main characters and a HUGE focus on the entire Hawk Moth arc!

season 3 is the worst season of MLB it gets better with season 4

Dont get me started on how the kwamis were wasted. Litteral immortal gods that had hundreds of weilders that they all outlived stuck in jewels to forever serve humanity given to teenagers and they never explore how they feel or are abused or how they are litteral gods and how them becoming one with their weilder when they transform affacts them. Nooro could have litterally felt responsable just as much as Gabe for all they did and Dusuu omg she is the reason Adrien exists and his mom doesnt, we never see how she was affected by it or Gabe shutting her in that box behind the painting or heck the sentimonsters and how they litterally created the kids aka Adrien, Felix and Kagami and are seeing them as their property....so much wasted potential. Tehy didnt even touch the duality and dependence of being a superhero and being free or how taht could lead a kwami to feel imprisoned compared to them...they could have done it with any new teenge miraculous weilder and the guardians omg the guardians, the litteral immortal dudes taht reappeared outta nowhere and we never saw them except the one time with Furious fu and it was cringe and so was he in the end...like tehy were wasted. Fu never even really met them again on a trip with Marinette

For me season 3 was best one, after that I stop watch whole seasons of 4 and 5. Have up and down there, but the finale was much waste for me, with most absent of Chat or not reveal scene. After this I not hope that next two seasons will be good.

@@Shimospeher if they would made CN to be in finale I would have renunced the show I dont wanna see Cat Blanc again. GABRIEL can just control him to be akumatize so ty god he wants

I dont get it..I just watched ep 26 and I didn’t understand what happened..Was his wish actually granted?

@@Vikiiixxyes, he wished to bring back emilie (and also saved nathalie), but ofc someone has to go if someone dead comes alive so gabriel sacrificed himself in order to bring back emilie :)

​@@liacheese5845mm, yes, one dying man in exchange for 2 lives being saved. Very balanced

​@@iDKVibewell they never said that it was Emilie in the garden at the end. It couldve been Amelie, Felix's mother, it would make more sense for Gabriel to bring only Emilie back, Emilie herself said that she didn't even want to get revived in the recordings

No, he exchanged his life against Nathalie's health. And he didn't bring back Emilie: the woman you see at the pool party is Amelie, Felix's mother.

FR-

It's clearly that some 9 and 11 years old kids have more brains than Marinette that's 14 years ols

Fr

When 9 and 11 year olds are smarter than a 14 year old.

@@alandoodles **flashbacks from "simpleton"**

FR

I despise Lila omg I hate her more than anything on this planet and I'm so pissed she got the butterfly miraculous. I'd rather literally anyone else take it.

Absolutely!! I died at the way the girl snatched her own wig in the middle of of the street and threw it in the trash 🤣💯🙌

She's wearing a wig, color contacts, and artificially darkening her skin with makeup.

I had to think about my stance on her lying when we find out she has 3 different women believing they are her mom. Then I thought better about it and accepted it's just crappy writing trying to make the most blank slate characters into a villain.

Ahem, Felix.

Right??? The comic artists are also continuously surprising me with their good writing and excellent humor.

⁠@@greeplurchthe comics from fan artists are so good!! been reading them since i started watching the show

Facts.

YES! My favourite is thorns of roses ( the masquerade ball ). The artist is so talented and is still posting the story. Some of the fanfics are amazing

yeah, and like, so many I read turned out in the end to have a similar formula, so how the hell did miraculous mess it up so weirdly?? oh right, its miraculous

Thomas says he's a feminist but he doesn't let Adrien be Marinette's equal, even though the core thesis of feminism is that we're all equal. And he says on Twitter things have to be like this because Marinette is the hero but... no? Most superheroes don't lie like this to their significant other. It's not about feminism or heroism it's just that this man sucks as a writer.

It's funny how at least season 4 made it look like his arc was going somewhere...I mean he was unhappy, he was possessive at times, he was jealous of LB's attention and in the season finale SHE screwed up, not him. From what it looked like there had to be a flip of some sorts, where Adrien stops worshipping LB and starts rebelling against his father, questioning his moralities more and more. It would've been so freaking cool if he stopped being a lovesick puppy, tried to actually investigate what happened to his mother, got to know who his father really is and got a chance to decide what to do with this whole situation. Just IMAGINE! Instead, season 5 Adrien could've been described by a single quote from this same season: "I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life but I know that I love Marinette 🤡" It felt like he was lobotomized or something.

​@morganqorishchi8181 Now I see why Playmates Toys just given up on doing more constant merch for this series. It's not boy-ish or boy-girl-ish enough. Bandai did better for the franchise w/ the action figures even though the dolls from Playmates are what some fans wanted from the start.

​@@morganqorishchi8181Also Leidybug is about a love story, what is the feminist part there?

​@@guillermocervisalmeron2209Astruc said he wanted the protagonist to be a girl cause he wanted little girls to know they could be superheroes etc.

@@limelightdebut Let's not forget that he snapped away most of Paris; and yet he gets a redemption and gets to be with Kagami

@@KelShunot just Paris but the WHOLE WORLD

I hope they never show chloe again

The thing that upsets me the most is that they were had all the pieces in place to redeem Chloe, she WAS getting better as a character, then suddenly they need a villain for the season finale and all the character development gets thrown out of the window???

@@user-ladybug293 For her sake I agree, I want Thomas to move on

As a kingdom hearts fan, Not even our lore is this freaking insane. Like, Nomura may be talking out his ass half the time, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as this.

@@marshy4056 As a fellow Kingdom Hearts fan, I concur. There's a difference between messy and nonsensical.

Nah nah nah. this is just CRAZY. at least if u look at kingdom hearts in order and learn a few things here and there it makes complete sense 😭

the general consensus is that the writers apparently have said the show is for those of us who grew up with it i.e. no longer a “kids show”. Where this was said I do not know but it is apparently not written with kids in mind anymore

Astruc is trying to make it feel like Marvel Comics or DC. The comics always follow a specific plotline until the arc is over than it resets with changes back to standard. Astruc even puts himself in the series like Marvel comics legend Stan Lee.

Same with english version..

Bro they were making it seem like felix was evil the entire time but HE MEETS KAGAMI and he just 😳🤗

chloe shouldve 100% been the bee miraculous holder permanently. giving her the miracuous accidentally was a good thing for the show, and the whole drama with her, hawk moth, and miracle queen at the end of season 3 was cool too, but her entire character arc was jjust thrown away bc the writer didnt like her character. she had potential to be much more important in the story and a writer preference is not fair to her. (this is totally not bc i love queen bees design with a passion)

It shouldn't work! Chloe should've been given the redemption arc, not Gabriel!

Simple: Chloe is based off of one of Astruc's high school bullies. Being a manchild he never grew past it, so when the rest of the staff tried to do something nice with Chloe he threw a tantrum and made her even worse than her S1 self, to the point she literally got shipped off to the US.

✨️Misogyny✨️

To be fair, a lot of people thought Gabriel was a decent father before he lost his wife in seasons 1 and 2, but his actions later on called that into question.

I agree

LMAO I HAVE WATCHED ALL THE SEASONS AND THE TWO MOVIES AND HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO TRUE

never watched it either but watching this recap is kinda funny

I only watched like 1-2 episodes but this whole thing is so interesting😭 Like I don't think I could handle watching all of it in 5 seasons and be okay by the end but the recap + the extra "what should have happened" segment was enough for me tbh

Nah,it isn't that deep.

I have a theory that Astruc, Jeremy, or someone saw the ff realized they were better, then picked the absolute worst ideas to incorporate into the show.

@@Idkfangirling Oh very much so

!!!

BBC Merlin moment

Zoe's backstory doesn't even make sense. She was bullied in school so instead of just transferring or seeking counseling like any normal person, she moves away to Paris with her (at best, neglectful, at worst, abusive) mother who she barely even knows...

Zoe should've been used to help show us Chloe's redemption. Imagine how cool it would be to see Chloe comforting Zoe after their mom is mean to her, have the two hang out and relax away from all of Audrey's toxic expectations, and then have Chloe complete her redemption arc when Zoe is threatened by an akuma and Chloe goes to fight it without a miraculous because that's her family and she's not going to let anyone hurt her family. It would've been so cool. They could've split alternating the bee miraculous between the two of them to keep Hawkmoth confused about who was using it and been besties. Instead we get more "half siblings hate each other" cliche garbage.

@@morganqorishchi8181I doubt that Chloe would learn her lesson

@@morganqorishchi8181 see, you managed to ameliorate what the series could not over the span of nearly a decade in ONE COMMENT. Bravo, but goes to show that the fandom has better writing in their left pinky alone than the entire writing team.

Also can we talk about her crush on Marinette? It's just so.... pointless There's queer representation and then there's this. Neither JuleRose non MarcNath had genuine shipping moments between them, but Zoe gets an episode of her crush on Marinette which goes...you know, absolutely nowhere. As if this obsessed stalker needed another person to fall for her.

havent watched this series since season 3 or 4 . wow idek all this happened or that he was a sentimonster. bad writing to the max

bro adrien was the more interesting character from the damn start and i swear every season they make him more interesting and give him more reason to be the main fucking character and then just sideline him like hes the guy next door and like ???

@@katierasburn9571 Always doing Adrien dirty

Was that ghostwritten by Marinette?

Im so sorry, wtf is a sentmonster? Man this really went off the rails after it was uwu my crush is guy but he's also my secret kick.

This show always finds a way to disappoint.

I’m not expecting their canon relationship post reveal to be healthy since its so screwed up. Marinette has kept so many unnecessary secrets from chat noir/adrien. Its not realistic to put this much burden on herself, she’s not adrien’s wife!! This would be fine if Adriens character didn’t revolve around “Is a sentimonster”. Adrien’s identity crisis from season1-2 was set up and believable; he was already in a controlling family and a product of Gabriel’s behaviour. Now he’s dull, lifeless and marinette’s shadow

I said something similar in my video: "Why is this fourteen year old this family's emotional buffer?"

@@JesseGolo On the one hand I do appreciate the show acknowledging Gabe sucks so much that a fourteen year old is more emotionally mature than him. On the other hand, Nathalie is aware of everything Gabe did and is an adult. She should be the one doing the emotional labor in Adrien's life, alongside his mom. It still puts the responsibility on women instead of men, because these writers haven't written any men who are emotionally sound adults, but at least it wouldn't be on a kid. Even bad fanfics avoid making Marinette the emotional mediator of everyone's problems.

I’ve always thought that it would have been great if they went deeper into her psychological stress as the holder but no. His friends and family could have been worried for her but she still bears it all. It could have been a great lesson, don’t put all this pressure on yourself or share with the ones you love

Also the fact that she was ready to full on murder him!!

TRUEEEE

​@@-thewanderer-840IM SORRY THOSE EMOTES LOOK SO GOOFY 😭😭

@@babywjales hahaha I felt the same

@@directorwolfofficial just because I know the motive behind it doesn't mean it is excusable?

@@directorwolfofficialstill hate her

Yup

It was like a car ser on fire there is no point in looking but you cannot stop

They didn't even try to explain why he was hit by a cataclysm in an episode and didn't go crazy like other sentimonsters

It also destroys canon and makes many things not make sense. - at least two Peacock Wielders should have immediately sensed and found out that Cat Noir was a sentimonster, and they should have surmised it was Adrien, that being Shadowmoth and Myura. They could even have attempted to control him and get him to hand over his Miraculous immediately. Gabriel has found out his son was Cat Noir before in what if episodes and it’s amusing to think that basically he somehow forgot he could command his son to literally do anything. Makes em all look like imbeciles. -Emile supposedly created Adrien 14 years ago with the Peacock yet was perfectly healthy up until 2 years ago in the present of the show but Natalie was on death’s door and died after only a few months of using it. I call hacks on that one. -Kagami supposedly being one also doesn’t make sense, as it was never established that her mother and Gabriel had a close relationship before the Alliance partnership. Least of all “hey do you want me to make you a kid?” relationship. They did not know each other. So yeah, never planned and just slapped in there just cause it sounded cool despite it being contradictory Edit: I realize that also Plagg should’ve been able to sense that Adrien is a sentimonster or at least not human too, canon becomes even more insane with this stupid canonized theory. 🫠

@@riotkitty Emily did not create Felix, Felix's dad did and he died a year after her. So apparently the effects take random time because it's like 13 years for Adrien's mom, 14 for Felix's dad and 2 months for Nathalie

GABE DIED?

@@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482 I thought everyone here watched S5 Finale 😨

@@Angie_lol Bruh I haven’t watched any episodes since the S3 Finale why else do you think I’m here watching someone else tell me what happened

@@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482basically he died and sacrified himself to get the wife back alive again (and nathalie bc she died before hand) and then when he died ladybug/marinette didnt tell adrien OR chat noir about it and she lets him live out his like fantasy of his father in his head. PLEASE watch the p1/p2 finale of season 5 though its WILD. gabriel finds out marinette is ladybug, and marinette finds out that he is hawkmoth its crazy.

@@Crose182do you know where I can watch all episodes of season 5 idk where to watch it😭😭

Exactly! I was thinking “this sounds too perfect in its explanation” because the conveyance in the show wasn’t nearly as smooth.

I quit halfway around season 5 and this explanation is unhinged itself. I’m scared to know what the actual season is like

@@thejoel1012 the second half of season 5 is crazy. so much shit went down 😂

Yeah she makes it sound waaaay more interesring that it probably is i left it in season 2 and a half because of all the filler 😅😅😅

Where can u watch it on? I want to start watching it again

​@@not_urgirlDisney+

@@adrenalineactivate sad, I'm too poor for that 😔😔

Yep!!!

I think a reboot is the only thing that could save the show at this point

And in the anime style they planned to do. :’(

An anime-style reboot would settle the years of disappointment I’ve had about this show oml. Kinda wish some great writers in the fandom would just all band together to plan out a re-hash of the entire show lmAO. Bonus points if full of ACTUAL good things to teach to children unlike the toxic mess this show seems to encourage.

there's a user who's name is Artistic Aloubell who's making a ML Rewrite called "Bonds Beyond Fate" and it's really good!!

​@@RainbowKidDoesThingsare they on yt?

And I forgot the sentimonster thing! That Adrien definitely needs to know but it needs to be broken gently by someone he trusts and who cares about him. Can you imagine finding out you’re not quite a real human?

That's why most of us left after the chloe redemption arc was obliterated.

Funnily enough, at least for me, Chat Blanc, 3-22 it was I think, still remains the best episode of the entire series. And the worst. Cuz it could have been something alike the season's finale and take either an hour of screentime or be a special altogether. Does this mean that the peak of show was at the end of the third season?

Ikr, *continues to watch only in the fact that it is so terrible *

Ridiculous Ladybug

@@smallentales317 And I thought I was the only one who did this

Relatable

Relatable

Relatable

What the three guys above me said.

The entire reason why I watched this:

Jojo reference?!😭

PFFT LMAO why is this so accurate

Um he probably will next season

Yep.👍🏼👌🏽

It makes NO sense that Marinette still gets 100s on every test and is a model student that was class president for a while. She is a superhero?? With a part time job at the bakery?? That constantly attends all of her friends’ events?? That sketches designs and has hobbies?? That is chronically late?? With bullies that constantly distract her learning environment?? And awful teachers?? And when the plot is convenient she struggles at school and school projects while Adrien is literally organized by someone that is paid to schedule things for him. Sure he has just as many responsibilities but also he has tons of tutors and help and remains organized with Nathalie AND he is constantly seen sacrificing his social life for the sake of his responsibilities AND he canonically happens to be a physics whiz?????? HOW is Adrien as Chat noir supposedly an idiot, far weaker than the strategic genius that is ladybug, when it literally defies all logic for Marinette to be good at school????? And Adrien is a better fencer (and by extension, fighter- especially because he is an athlete that has to train every day, AT FIGHTING?????- also when he’s pissed, he fights extremely well). Literally HOW is Adrien the weaker link?????

@@lifekindasucksrn6442 not to mention Marinette has never even once been shown to open a book to actually study. When she transforms into Lady Noir, she is so awfully belligerent to Mr. Bug over every little thing, despite her most often needing Chat's help to execute her plans??? And of the two, Chat is most often the more level headed/ rational one anyway because we see that Chat has NEVER abused his ability to tranform for personal use nor disclosed his identity, nor given away his miraculous, unlike Ladybug, who has done all of that, and transformed multiple times not out of necessity but to bully people she doesn't like (Lila, Chloe), possibly wasting her miraculous timer if a real catastrophe were to happen??? So how in the WORLD is Chat the irresponsible one?! And Chat has saved her multiple times, going as far as to put his life on the line, AND or getting inadvertently akumatised, just for Ladybug to downplay and ridicule him because she supposedly did "most of the work" despite the fact that Chat is the one who most often ends up in direct confrontation with the enemy while Ladybug runs around executing a ridiculous plan with spotted toilet paper or something. Should've been Adrien. He had way more potential to explore how he grows as a person and sets himself on a path of breaking free from his father's influence, possible even moving out of the house at one point or running away, and gradually building up his development until Chat Noir doesn't become a silly alter ego, but basically merges as a part of the person he was suppressing the entire time to please his father. Imagine a lighthearted and free Adrien who finally gets to do all the rebellious things he never got to do before. Ugh SO MUCH POTENTIAL.

I'm sorry, but Adrien is now just an arm-candy of her highness queen of Mary Sues (even though the termin is outdated I can't call Marinette anything else but a Mary Sue 😔) So, he isn't/ain't gonna be a protagonist, even though he deserved it. Season 5 completely erased his personality and character motivation.

@@haechansimp9055so trueee I gotta say I love this analysis. It’s not often fans actually understand the characters and plot of a story. But you and everyone here does and it’s making heart flutter

@@kelvisaisawesome totally agree! It's exhilarating!

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I am quite satisfied with the final

@@user-ladybug293 ive seen many are fine with the finale as is. but to me it just does too many weird things fore me to be happy with

Haha same. Honestly, many fanfic writers write better than this.

Frr I was thinking of going back to reading fanfic so I could feel better from the this shit show

@@marichatfangirlfandom9690 This is a good show

Disney plus I just found out too lol😅

Agreed. He was my favourite character. The way his story and development was utterly bungled in season 4 was the final nail in the coffin for me. 😔

Exactly. They also set up Lukanette as such a cute ship but because they’re obsessed with having the two main characters always get together, they broke them up almost immediately

hand him over

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Black cats are bad luck ladybugs are good luck. Maronite out of costume is unlucky (clumsy) Adrian is the opposite

Not to mention that the whole message was supposed to be that their miraculous represent creation and destruction, and therefore one needs the other to keep the world balanced. Unfortunately they fucked it up

Tbh I don't think the "chat noir was save 2 time which means this show is a bad representation for media" but I think it go against the trope "men save women". Almost EVERY SINGLE TIME there's a "women save men" somehow the men will save the women again to make it "even" just to show that "nah this women ain't THAT good". Like why can't a women be the prince charming without having to be save later on? Ofc I still think it's ridiculous that they make chat noir so bad a few episode onward

@adrenalineactivate Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Chat Noir being saved twice in the first episode I watched equated it to a bad show. That stood out to me because it was part of a much longer conversation I've had with my sister about how media has slowly degraded male characters over time in order to "raise" female characters, which I personally feel is just going to hurt men (and achieving equality) in the long run (we've gone from ditzy women or women who always need to be saved to idiot men - started around the time of The Simpsons - and here the boy often needing to be saved). If I don't like the trope of the girl always having to be rescued, why should I like it reversed? I personally want to see more actual equality in media, and I think it's a responsibility of creators to do that, especially when they're touting that that's what they're going for. It just becomes a harmful trope otherwise if it's repeated over and over across different media, so it rubs me the wrong way when I see it in children's programming.

Like I always say, if you have to tear down men to make women look better, what does that say about the writers?

It honestly manages to disrespect both Adrien and Marinette. Marinette has to live with a ton of secrets that are deeply traumatizing without a partner to lean on to work through it. Adrien isn't being told the truth and isn't being treated as an equal. Neither of them are going to be able to work through what happened and move forward psychologically as a result. This ending actually screws over both of them. It's *that* bad.

I’m pretty sure he will find out at season 6 episode 1

@@directorwolfofficial Ho ho ho, you naive child. You surely underestimate Astruct's ability to dissapoint us every single time

@@NathasyaStellaHermanusAstruc isn’t in charge anymore, Jeremy Zag is

@@Frostfern94 No, Astruc said recently he is still working on the story and even has more power than before. Zag only writes the story for the movies

To his credit, Gabe did know and he does do it. He makes a senti!nino that he uses to trick alya, who gives it the turtle miraculous in s4 and transformed with it. So there was foreshadowing. He never uses this tactic again tho.

@jlwiseman98 That's what I'm saying though, he could have made a bunch of sentimonsters and given them the miraculous, but instead he just crushed up the miraculous. To me personally, it felt like the sentimonster twist wasn't really planned and more of just thrown into the mix for shock factor and to give Felix a purpose last minute. And it still doesn't explain why Plagg didn't even try to tell Adrian that he wasn't a real human, or even mention anything was weird about his miraculous holder.

​@@yogurt3355it wasn't planned. If you read the design document for the show that was written 2 years ago half of the plot has been changed from the original plan, the most egregious one being that none of them were sentimonsters, this was a rewrite added in last second because astruc is garbage and took fan theories that he liked but didn't have any backing or any proper build up into his story and is taking the credit as his own

@alpaca6462 I knew it. What a dumb plot twist, it just ruins the journey of taking back power that Adrien could have gone through.

Keep in mind when we saw the peacock miraculous in Volpina the first time. The Miraculous was technically damaged. This could be why Plagg couldn't sense Duusu or know Adrien was a sentibeing.

Honestly since Alya and Marinette are so close I was expecting for Marinette to find out Alya used to have a crush on her. It would've made sense since they've spent so much time together, and it would've been cool to see a non-white character be bi, since we don't see that much in the media. Plus since Nino's also had a crush on Mari in the past he could've just laughed and been like, "I guess that's one more thing we have in common!" and been totally chill with it, which is how representation should be - everyone being mellow and chill about who one another are.

Well they had to give zoey something to make her more than just the Chloe replacement- why not get ppl to stop whining about the representation by making her the INCLUSIVE replacement?? Sarcasm aside, it was slightly hinted- Marinette is the first person she treats with kindness once she gets to Paris, Marinette helped her change her behavior of copying the bullies to fit in, Marinette invited her into the friend group and is zoey’s main friend by a long shot. I’m part of the community, and if I was in her shoes, i would prob crush on Marinette too- she gave zoey literally everything! There’s really no one else Zoey would have crushed on, Zoey is rarely seen talking with people other than Marinette. If they truly wanted to make better representation than we got, Zoey probably would have gotten way more lines with someone else- imagine if she actually gets conflicted with that person and Marinette??? Also, imagine a storyline of Zoey crushing on Ladybug from afar after that huge speech in her first episode and giving her the bee miraculous. IMAGINE ZOEY ANGST BETWEEN MARINETTE AND LADYBUG!! Ahh the irony. It truly is a shame they never did care about representation, or writing

Not to mention it's only there to push the main hetero relationship. Zoé's crush on Marinette is used as a plot device to let Marinette confess her feelings to Adrien.

@@revengeoftheisland exactly

As much as I hate Zoe, it was not out of nowhere. If you watch their first meeting closely, you can see some sorta tension from Zoe's side. Anyway it doesn't matter cause it wasn't even good representation after all

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But like, why?

And Lila is a fake name

Literally thiss

Adrien shouldn't have been a deutragonist if they don't wanna do something with his character.

@@Raya-ir4tm Agreed.

Actually, I think that the Adrian - Sentimonster was super awesome. Yeah, it implies that Adrian can't disobey his father, not because he's weak against him, but because he literally can't because he's controlled. But I'm sure that the earlier seasons didn't have Gabriel use the ring that controlled Adrien. So we still got the Adrien that simply didn't want to disappoint his father.

​@@Raya-ir4tmI don't think Gabriel had the control ring in the earlier seasons. So we still got that Adrien that was weak willed. But now that he's more independent and brave, his father literally has to control him to keep him in line. It becomes less about Adrien's character and more about Gabriel being a bad dad.

@@NoHandle44 No it was really horrible. It took away all his humanity and agency.

While I completely agree with everything you said, I am a HIGHLY allergic individual, and your comment-- "Like, bro, Adrien ISN'T perfect! He has allergies" --made me CRY LAUGH I AM LOSING IT RIGHT NOW🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣