After all the hype on The Timeless Children storyline, this type of character should have been her own season villain; not just having 3-4 scenes and then being Thanosed in the most anticlimatic way possible.

Two of the most infuriating moments of this era (to me) are when the Master just reveals that he destroyed what was left on Gallifrey (seriously?!) and the second is this moment where after introducing this supposedly monumental character to the Doctor, they just kill her off like nothing.

"You inspire. Make people rise up, make them ask questions. Give them hope, that can be problematic."

"It's me, your mum. Let's have a couple of episodes to really digest what happened between us and get to the nitty gritty of our conflict" *dies*

She’s such a great actress, I was living for this scene but then they killed her. What a shame she could’ve been a great villain on par with the master.

Tecteun would've been a much better antagonist if they had built her up across Jodie's tenure. Have a conspiracy around the Doctor's past and hints build up. I don't like the Timeless Child retcon but I think it could've worked so long as they executed well, and they didn't. But it's not like Chibs is the only writer guilty of this; remember the Hybrid?

Just what I needed to watch today. I may be 57 years old, but I know when to run. RUN!

Notice how Tecteun got emotional for a second there when the Doctor asked who she was

What Flux has led to is opening the doors to a lot of fan theories and speculation. One of the theories I feel has traction was the Division being responsible for the Time War, an unwinnable conflict between two titan races that would lead to mutually assured destruction of the universe. Given they had an interest in ending creation, the Time War seems like an ideal end game scenario.

Tecteun: You give them hope. That can be problematic. 12th Doctor: Since when is hope a bad thing? Ohila: Hope is a terrible thing on the scaffold.

Someone like Tecteun doesn't deserve to be whooshed away into nothingness. She deserves to be utterly humiliated, and then locked away where she can't hurt anyone ever again. She should have to watch hope win and the Doctor succeed, again and again and again. In other words, I'd toss Tecteun in the brig of the Ship with Skagra, and ideally they can bore each other to tears for all eternity. That's what Tecteun deserves. ~Kathleen~

"You couldnt leave the universe alone" The doctor in season 2:"huh we are in a parallel universe, how odd"

The fact that they killed off Tecteun after a fee scenes and killed off Ashad Cyberman a few episodes before shrugging that whole arc off in the New Year Jack Harkness Return /Dalek episode after introducing him means that Chibnall and his fellow writers have the audacity to use concepts that rewrite the whole of Doctor Who Canon just so that they can throw them away almost as soon as they introduce them ... as if to say they were never really that important in the first place... And THAT is the biggest problem with Chibnall's new Who Not the acting or the directing The fact that they retconned the Doctor's entire life story, origin story, biological heritage and the history of the Time Lords and regeneration... only for the Doctor to go and say "it doesn't matter because I am still the same as before" Why come up with these controversial ideas if even YOU (the writers) won't stick to them? Even the Thasmin thing Why tease the relationship with no pay off? As if to say you want the Thasmin shippers on your side without doing what they want?? Regardless of whether you agree with the Thasmin thing or not, the execution in the Sea Devils episode was poor!

I Definitely Wasn't Behind The Killing Of The Almighty Tecteun!

I found it frustrating that Chibnall just offed her like nothing at the end of this episode. Personally kinda wished she delved into the other universe whilst the Doctor returned to ours so maybe they could potentially pick up on Tecteun and that universe later. Find out some information on the Doctor, their race, their home. I'm glad Russell has chosen to continue on with the Flux stuff and timeless child, especially after seeing how haunted and angry the Doctor really is from learning it all (in Wild Blue Yonder, maybe he can retcon the "death" of Tecteun and she did infact make it to the other universe.

It’s weird how when swarm touches tecteun, her and the Doctor just stand there and stare, when it’s shows how easy it is to escape it’s, when the Doctor just moves away in the next episode!!!

It's weird that they try to play this as A Moment when Tecteun was only created one season ago, and even then only mentioned in an exposition dump and has no actually meaningful connection to any character we care about. Sure, she's The Doctor's mother, but who cares when even The Doctor doesn't remember?

For me, his/her mother always will be The Woman who appeared in The End of Time, I tkink that after Doctor was turn into baby by Division, he was adopted by this Woman and her husband who had together Irving Braxiatel and that sisters who Thirteenth Doctor mentioned.

I like Flux especially War of the Sontarans and Village of the Angels, but Survivors of the Flux was the point where I think it started to fall slightly. Had Flux gotten its 8 or 11 as originally planned before Covid hit, I pictured Chris Chibnall had an episode where it was just The Doctor and Tecteun in a Heaven Sent style story and setting where it was just these two talking and having emotional moments and breakdowns with each other regarding The Doctor’s past, her origins, memories, Division and what it actually does and stuff like that could’ve given Chibnall’s Timeless Child story arc a satisfying conclusion before Jodie’s exit the following year. I know many of you want to forget the timeless child arc but it’s an interesting idea and makes me respect Chibnall for not being afraid to take any big gambles and changes with the canon which could’ve been brilliant to see unfold but with so many plot threads still left like the fob watch containing The Doctor’s memories, the Fugitive Doctor, the destruction of Gallifrey, Ashad’s revival and more, it’s unlikely that Russel T Davies will pick up on any of those plot threads leaving The Timeless Child arc wasted potential. Maybe somewhere in a parallel universe, Chibnall really did get the ending of this era that he wanted to tell. So unless Big Finish and other expanded media ties up any of those loose ends especially with the Fugitive Doctor BF stories coming, I think it’s unfortunate to say we won’t be seeing or knowing how Chibnall’s big plans for the series would’ve ended anytime sooner even if he changes his mind on returning under Russel’s head.

She’s like that woman in The End Of Time special who helped the Doctor but ends of dying later on and we barely knew her too 🤦‍♀️

Im so sad that tecteun is used in flux story and died. She could have had much more better stories.

One of the most interesting characters introduced... Shame they killed her off so early. She could have answered so many questions before the William Hartnell Incarnations. There are 3 specials left, it would be so if they would explain Tecteun and her relation with her. I guess if they don't tie up the lose ends of Flux in these 3 specials, this could be the driving force of the next incarnation of the Doctor. That might be interesting to watch

I wonder how much of this Irving Braxiatel knows about, The Doctor's Brother sould know a lot considering the number of roles he's had in his long life, before and after he left Gallifrey. Irving could have left an AI in the Braxiatel Collection with information only for The Doctor, to be unlocked with the right questions about "the timeless child".

Jodie really shined here, we finally get her off her leash when you give her decent writing.

I really hope she comes back. Now way they killed off Tecteun, the engineer of Time Lords, so easily. She would be a brilliant villain. Personally I think The Master nuking Galifrey was a smoke screen and the time lords are now ruling Universe 2, maybe with Rasilon back in charge with Tecteun and division pulling the strings behind them. Now what gets them back into the picture is the next big question

*The doctor be like:* sorry new number who dis

"Morality is a strength!" Being good is good, thanks Doctor.

Jodie's acting here is just incredible.

0:05 "Universe 1, if you like." Geez, this is Arrowverse all over again... Well, we already know Universe 2... Pete's World :v

Where’s evil Dan, he should be here saying “Nobody loves tecteun more than me!”

So Division is a void ship?

Is that the void you know no light, no dark, no up, no down, no life, no time, without end.

Tectun: I was the one who raised you! Me: noooo you didn't! you basically used your own child as a guinea pig, costing the doctor a half dozen regenerations in order to find the way to unlock the power of regenerations yourself. I'd say that's why you're not weary, you're scared because The Doctor can change, The Doctor CAN be heartless and cold when he/she wants to be!

An interesting direction to take the Timeless Child, an idea I had would be to reveal that the Doctor originally came from the Land of Fiction first seen in the Mind Robber. What if the Doctor was a fictional character created by a TV show that became a sentient being in the world of fiction? Just an idea I had

Tecteun's death was a super villian 'death', if I've ever seen one, especially in how it was shot, Flux's compact storytelling, Doctor Who is a broad appealing adventure show and not the stuff of mythologies, etc.

Clearly Chibnall can only tell not show… plus he clearly doesn’t love doctor who not being in his own image

Let's introduce an important character that holds Doctor's secret and kill her off without barely explaining anything! - Chibnall Writing 101

Let’s hope the next four episodes over the next year explains all the loose ends from this series.

No, I AM your mother. That's not true. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

I wonder if that was Tecteun on the end of time, the one that was contacting Wilfred and standing like the “weeping angels of old” behind Rasselon.

this might be one of my favorite scenes in chibnal's who. Wished tecteun had stayed around for longer.

One question: Multiversal technology has already existed in Doctor Who, from the Inferno device to Pete's World, so why does Tecteun need to destroy the universe to access the outside multiverse? Unless, it's a different kind of multiverse, one seperate from the Doctor Who multiverse?

My favorite- Teotihuacán! So many delicious puzzles and riddles to think about for the rest of forever. Thank you! End transmission. ☠️

This actual might turn into Doctor Who Unbound!!! Multiverse travel!! This is gonna be wicked!!

i really believe that the Division ship its a TARDIS with no chamaleon circuit

I wonder if the “mother” figure in End of Time was also Tecteun

It's funny. They were so worried about the Doctor finding out what they'd done - they weren't watching for the Master. Oops.

"Are you my mummy?" 😅

i think she'll be back

I thought Tecteun was dead before I watched this scene. She should have been The Rani. This was the perfect opportunity to bring the Rani back as it’s all about experiments

I think it's hilarious how any of these commenters really think Tecteun is actually dead...or if she is actually dead, that we won't ever see her again. Nobody really dies on Who.

i wont lie im really confused. Like why exactly did the Division want to destroy the universe?. Was it all to kill the doctor? or is there something im not getting?

I honestly thought when we first saw Tecteun in Flux that she was Margaret Blaine. They both looked sort of alike and the manner of speaking was similar

this technically doesn't make sense due to The Doctor's Wife. the doctor went outside of the universe, and we only saw 1 universe. it doesn't make sense.

More like a reunion for Tecteun, with the Doctor. For the Doctor it's less of a reunion and more of a fabled meeting for the first time, again. You know, because Doctor Who has to Doctor Who.

i want more of this

The Doctor's outfit looks like something they'd wear on an 80's kid show called Playdays.

So the Division is just sitting in the void. What about the huge war between the Daleks and Cybermen that is said to be larger than the Time War that happened in the Void after Doomsday. Wouldn't that be a bit of a hazard.

These comments have to be sensored. Every website going shows people were disappointed with the flux and Chibnall, yet everyone here seems to love it. If youtube still showed dislikes I think a more true picture would imerge. Nearly 2000 views yet less than 50 comments, this seems suspicious, some have had to been deleted.

The Division is outside of the universe, acts in mysterious ways, influences time... Chibnall made canon Sapphire and Steel, too...

Should be titled ‘A Reunion with the Retcon’

Nope. William Hartnell is the first.

I have my doubts that she is truely dead. As the leader of a black ops organization as old as time, she likely has failsafes for her failsafes falesafe.

Chibnall's run flubs the buildup so hard. The Division being this great antagonistic force remained absolutely unexplained, effectively being Time Lords but without the interference policy, then wanting to destroy and reset the universe because the Doctor kept giving... hope? Because she discovered the existence of Division? It makes Division sound so childish, and I love the actress, Tecteun's motivation sounds too immature to take seriously.

guys put a season 17 clip out already

Jodie was so underutilized. She had such little emotion in this scene. She was a little miffed, but that was it. I hate that her Doctor was not a character. She was just an exposition device. Out of every scene she had during her run, THIS should have been the scene where the emotions came out. The sadness, the anger, the fury. WHERE WAS IT? WHY WAS IT WRITTEN SO BAD!?!!?

Did they fix the universe at the end of that episode or is earth still the only planet left?

All this time, and I still have no idea why any of the villains in The Flux were doing what they were doing. Tecteun? The Sontarans? The snake guy? The Weeping Angels? The glitter skeleton people? Not one of them had a clear motive that I can recall.

🎶🙂We are in a state of flux 🙃🎶

Don't the walls of reality prevent multiversal travel? In season 2 and season 4 I think this was explained

1:14 what does she mean by ''we''?

I bludy knew it!

This is so bad. I really miss the good old days when the Doctor's origin was a mystery.

Gosh, I was screaming in this scene. It's really good... Can't wait to rewatch Flux with a friend... But gosh, I wanna punch Tecteun so much... XD I think I would've loved seeing more of her though, we'll see... Maybe she's still alive somewhere, considering the Master apparently comes back from being hit by the Death Particle on Gallifrey...

Hi, Mum!

This is meant to be such a big impact full sequence of events for the doctor and yet there has been nowhere near enough work done to ground this scene or how these characters feel, honestly sad to see Jodie go she deserved better than the hack head writer she got.

If I was the doctor I woulda told her to shut the FLUX up 😂

The flux episode made no sense whatsoever. Couldn't keep up with the storyline at all

He is doing his best to not let them retcon the timeless child B.S.

0:05 Or as it's designated in the Marvel multiverse it's Universe-5556

So, what about Rassilon and Omega?

So they are in the Void

I still stand by my theory that Division is a TARDIS.

I’m a Dr Who fan but it’s been abysmal tbh The writing has been catastrophic

The Doctor Multiverse,14 Multiverses.

She is looking good for 4 billion years old...

she existed for far longer than rassilon and almost as old as the doctor

How many times did she kill the doctor to finally get around to learning how to handle Regeneration?

Remember back when the 8th doctor said “I’m half human, on my mothers side” XD (I know adopted technically but still)

❤❤❤

The flux has been incredible and weird

Um, missed Village of the Angels?

Episode number?

tEcTeUn

Harsh criticisms, biting sarcasm and general disdain....yep Tecteun is the quintessential British mom.

Part of me thinks it could have been The Rani

wait I'm so confused is that who the woman next to rasillon was in the end of time? 10's mum person?? would be nice if that's who she was meant to be, but again that killed her so womp womp

I’ve loved all the episodes of the 13th Dr

there is more to work with in that conversation to make another twelve or thirty dr whos

Ngl the whole timeless child and the fugitive doctor storylines should be retconned id say