MegaLotusEater dear god "hostile territory"

Jason - agreed, but not in Israel, in occupied Palestinian territories.

To be fair to the news presenter, he did point out that it is (ridiculously) hyperbolic to say that Corbyn is literally Hitler because he disagrees with one example given in the IHRA.

He had his kippah on when spouting bollocks so probably yes...

No, but it IS an existential threat to his media career. Shame on you!

Simon Johnson is a cretin and am not surprise of far right loonies

It's Nitpicking of the highest order with no specific way of backing up Anti-semitic claims. Great balanced view from Aaron. Andy H

No I'm sorry - definitions matter and specific wording matters, especially in a case like this. Agree about the coverage, but you can't dismiss defining antisemitism as nitpicking

Benjamin Blake what indicated that he was pro Israel

Funny enough in my area, our momentum group is actually ran by socialist Jews that love Corbyn. The media are making it all out that all Jewish people love Israel and that they all hate Labour. Too many dumb people on KZfaq, social media or media in general. The spin is very strong.

Colin Sweeney Probably the way that he was defending the IHRA redefinition of antisemitism, specifically the example clearly intended (and already being used) to stifle criticism of the state of Israel and its systematic oppression of the Palestinian people.

I would be highly surprised if most British Jews don't vote for Corbyn. It's inane to claim to represent all Jewish people simply because a handful of newspaper editors make ridiculous declarations you happen to agree with.

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Yes. I had to double check that it was Sky News. I watched an interview of Aaron Bastani and Dan Hodges by Kay Burley and she gave Hodges twice as much time, allowed him to speak over Aaron and put Hodges' points to Aaron which she did not do in reverse. I gave up watching. It seems to be what most discussions on this topic have been like. This one was much more intellectual and, as others have said Simon Johnson was given enough rope to defeat his own argument.

Which is mirrored by certain supporters of and members of Islam, when they call every criticism of Islam Islamophobia.

And?

Kevin McLaughlin Israel is a country not about Jewish people themselves. Islam is a religion and people of my religion don't like the criticism thrown at it due to false assertions made from critics. However, as a Muslim I have no problem with people criticising Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Iran as these countries go against Quranic teaching. Israel's policy on Palestinians is appalling just as how Iran and Saudi Arabia treat non Muslims or even Muslims in general. All these countries violate basic human rights. But it's not islamaphobic or anti-Semitic to criticise these countries.

If you read my comment again I'm actually speaking specifically of Islam. The question is do you think people have the right to criticise Islam the same as any other religion, and are you anti blasphemy laws because that is what the UK, Germany etc currently have with regard Islam even if it's not a written law. What I have a problem with is when Islam and Muslim's are conflated so as to make any justified criticism of Islam tantamount to racism against all Muslim's. What I also have a problem with is that the UK authorities always side with the people who are going to get more upset over an issue i.e Muslim's who don't believe in secularism right up to Islamists and the most extreme people. I want everyone to live in peace together but I truly believe the way in which the UK and other governments deal with these issues will cause a great deal more harm in the long run, than if they weren't suppressing free speech and brushing things under the carpet.

Kevin McLaughlin well I believe you haven't met a lot of Muslim people like myself but speaking with the Muslim community since converting they are happy to live in the UK and under its laws. Secularist like maajid Nawaaz give non Muslims a negative perception of Islam due to people like them trying to reform and change the religion. Whereas Islamist like Anjem Choudhury, Zakir Naik and ISIS give a bad interpretation of Islam as they always like to play this stupid us and them game through advocating violence. The problem with the discussion with Islam is that the mainstream media does not put on any good voices or historians on Islam. They either put on sellouts or extremist on the media. I'm also as a Muslim against the religion of peace notation in Islam as it's a lie to tell the general public about Islam. The reason why the Muslim community do act up against western media is due to the generalisation and dumb assertion made from public figures in the media. The media and government need to stop labelling. As well as the general public need to do more education into Islam. Considering the western world supports Wahhabi countries which in fact Wahhabism is an extreme reform of Islam. Also, secularism doesn't fair well with Muslims due to bans on clothing, changes and repression of worship. There needs to be a conversation on Islam in the western world but for one to understand a religion like Islam they would have to study it. Just like Judaism and Christianity, for which sadly countries like England, America and Israel have distorted views on their religion just like Pakistan (an example of a Muslim Zionist country), Saudi Arabia and Iran have of theirs. Majority of these countries are exporting there distorted ideology to Muslims across the world. Think about ISIS you hardly ever hear them attack Saudi Arabia or Israel but they are quick to kill innocents in the middle East, Europe and America. Where in Islam it is illegal to kill non combatants, children and women. Look up the actual law for jihad. Muslims are not allowed to even destroy the environment. Hence, bombings and explosives are illegal under Islamic law. Ted talks is very good for putting intellectuals talking about Islam who actually dedicated there life to researching the history of it. For example, Lesley Hazelton and Karen Armstrong give a good unbiased view on Islam. However, back to the point Europe and America need to have a proper intellectual discussion on Islam. Not have idiots talk about and believe the western media shows to many idiots on TV giving their opinions on Islam and it's embarrassing.

i thought so too!

Michael Whitaker Although I may differ to the opinion of religion not having a place in society, I must conclude that everything you stated was spot on.

"its like telling everyone in London to fuck off, because its somebody else's home now." Are they not already doing that?

TheGrouchyGamer do you mean in terms of displacement via house pricing? What are your thoughts 're London?

Judaism was around approx 1000years before Islam...

Michael Whitaker people who live in social housing should not choose where they live. Unless they buy their own property...

Irish - names, places and proof please.

Mcmanus was suspended very quickly, and he withdrew and deleted his comments and apologised to Watson. But he does have a point about Watson and the pro-Israel lobby kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftyFp9ir1K7Lc5s.html Enticott was also suspended, even though he was the victim of a prank. www.theargus.co.uk/news/16384738.bognor-labour-councillor-damien-enticott-suspended/ But what was described is perfectly correct and though related remarks were offensive, it should not be wrong to say so. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prNpoJynqLmYm4k.html www.timesofisrael.com/nyc-orthodox-jews-clash-over-oral-circumcision-rite/

Its because during the period when Labour were being accused of having wide spread antisemitism the conservatives had at least as many instances where members, councillors and various MPs were investigated or suspended for making racist comments, the majority of which were anti-muslim. This wasn't anywhere near as widely reported as the issues within Labour. Just google tory racism to find out more, or look here: evolvepolitics.com/a-massive-36-tweet-thread-exposing-the-extraordinary-scale-of-tory-racism-and-abuse-is-going-viral-for-very-obvious-reasons/

David Jones is that article comparing Corbyn to Malcolm X and Corbynistas to black people in 1960s America😯

so white people cant be victims of racism? that in itself is racist

damo white people can be victims of racism...but what you are talking about here is white on white racism...so it is not really racism....if this white man never told you he was a Jew would you be able to tell he is some other race...??? I don’t think so ...! The point is JEWS ARE NOT A RACE if any race can become a Jew....!!! But a group of white people (Ashkenazi Jews) have converted to become Jews and if you disagree with their religious or political objectives they cry “racism and antisemitism”

your a fucking idiot, firstly you make a stupid statement strongly implying that whites cant be victims of racism then back peddle, you say it's "white on white racism" which is laughable, and then imply Jews can't experience racism WTF! are you forgetting WW2??? do me a favour and look up racial antisemitism, the whole of WW2 was founded on this. And also you say "if you disagree with their religious or political objectives they cry “racism and antisemitism”" well the same can be said for the Muslims, you say can't word about Islam without people branding you a "racist or islamaphobe"

damo you just made my point muslims are not a race ...and like I said Jews are not a race if any race can become one....deal with that point...!

Honest question, whats the difference? Creating a modern state out of nowhere that is specifically for one ethnicity and religion to be imported in, would be deemed racist if it were to happen today. The very idea of a theocratic ethnostate is out of sync with todays world. Nobody likes the muslim nations doing it and there would be bloody murder if the christians tried it. Like Aaron said, you can acknowledge the extreme racism of the founding of America and most certainly Australia, without hating Americans and Australians, or seeking to destroy those nations. IMHO the Jewish people of the world need to take a more critical line with Israel, save them from the anti Israel sentiment being turned into anti semitism. There must be a distinction, otherwise there is going to be problems, because Israel has turned a corner.

Angus Pretty I don't think the floodgates have been open for anti-Semitism. I think people are seeing disgusting false accusations against Corbyn for what they are.

We all understand why it was created, but who created it? The British empire, who have a history disrespecting indigenous people to the point of genocide. This was done with the same colonial racist attitude as with all other colonisation. "We need to find a home for our victimised European Jews, we own their spiritual homeland, so we can just get all those Ali Babas to get on their camels and bugger off and we can build something civilised" Birthing a nation out of violence always ingrains that violence into the fabric of the nation. Look at America, 300 years later and the scars of the civil war are still there in people.

No I get it, but racism for a good cause is still racism.

Bahahaha!