The lack thereof of knowledge, yes, it is pretty sad.

Dave Locke this is our future. Sad times

I know it's ridiculous. As soon as ideas start to emerge and nuanced debate they scream in the earpieces of the hired dummies 'Corbyn is a communist'

john hudson yeah. But he is. Or is it rebranded and called a social Democrat now.

Thanks for all that I think you need to read the communist manifesto, then the labour manifesto, then read a few of Corbyns speeches.

Michael Whitaker What makes you think I haven't done so already?

Yeah, I would've corrected him there. Not sure why Aaron just sat back and let that one fly lol

@@yoboi267 they would've just probably started ranting about the USSR and China again if he did

Communist parties run socialist states. Marxists theorize socialism is a working class run state that exists between capitalism and communism, which is stateless

@@yoboi267 .Man he could just been a little off guard. Underestimated centrist boomer rage!

Why is it wrong to say it's "state" anything? (just curious, I know very little about this sort of thing)

@Alex Arviso that's a brilliant point and if it wasn't for britains social programs (which are slowly being destroyed by the 1%) Britain would be in the same condition. but the media will keep demonizing the poor to distract everyone from what the 1% are doing

@@markweston6383 , they have to defend capitalism because they benefit from it. Just like the 1% in a feudal hierarchy of lords.

@Alex Arviso Well you'd better tell the thousands of people still trying to get into the US EVERY DAY about it because they don't seem to agree with you.

Mark Weston BBC is the most left wing bias platform in the world. Deaths caused by capitalism are nothing compared to what communism has caused

@@christophermckay7082 Humans have always migrated from one place to another. Americans have been migrating from rural to urban areas.

@@boflator or just spend 25 minutes on the Internet.

I wonder why he knows PLENTY of fascists... Certainly it couldn't be because he's a staunch defender of the free market...

I know haha. Imagine thinking that was actually some kind of rebuttal.

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I’ve known people who told me that they were “literally fascists”.

Well, most fascists play dumb about it and prefer to be cheeky about it.

Wow, I just learnt what UKIP is and was amused by how openly ironic this part was.

I said to myself: "Well Suzanne, you are literally a fascist" I swear these people play dumb or the definition for fascism has ben so screwed that people do not know what it means.

“Are you romanticizing a murderous ideology?” said by a straight faced Brit after Northern Ireland, the Falklands, Iraq, Afghanistan, the British Empire.. & tears for Maggie + the Royals 😆

Not her colour ..no shit 😅

It's why I stopped watching BBC 'debates' like this years ago. Got sick of a 1 person being rounded on by a room of others , given no time to explain their views, being constantly interrupted.

He should have stated: Communism is not an ideology it's the end of ideology! Communism is the end of history because it's the end of the class struggle

If he’s right, he should be able to communicate his thoughts just fine enough with 5 people on the panel disagreeing with him.

​@@perryjohnson6461 and he was, when they weren't talking over him or trying to call him a fascist instead of bringing credible arguments.

Well I think it's quite hard to find people who support communism

Communism is not an ideology it's the end of ideology! Communism is the end of history because it's the end of the class stuggle

Currently, capitalism is fighting harder against going green than it is fighting climate change.

Capitalism is making deals and mutual agreements. If its mot mutual agreement, then its violence. Aka capitalism is anti-violence. And anti-capitalism is pro-violence.

Exactly what I was thinking. Capitalism runs because of the threat of violence if you don't work within the system of capitalism. How many people die homeless in the richest countries under capitalism each year? How many in America die because of their healthcare system? There are countless examples of violence under capitalism and we've just been told it's just a part of life. How many millions of people have died because of anti-communist wars declared by capitalist governments? Let alone other wars waged by them.

Leo Gorgone yeah I find it pretty ironic that communism death toll is constantly bought up, despite capitalism’s death toll, (not that it makes criticism like this redundant, but this kind of argument applies just as well to capitalism) you know we live in a system where we have people eating themselves to death, with massive food wastage whilst simultaneously having a massive homeless and food bank problems. Then there’s foreign wars. These aren’t explicitly caused by capitalism nor are they the preferred outcome of it, but these deaths are just as linked to the system as deaths under Stalinism. Of course this is the bbc, the ultimate defender of the status quo, not matter what it might be.

boflator did I call for death camps for the bourgeoisie? No all I want is a refunded nhs, free housing, better workers rights and a living wage. You’re just projecting a straw maned communist onto me. So well done for that, never seen such a grown up argument before. And i do critique communism, it’s a system that’s done terrible harm to people around the world, its not even comparable to want I ideally want. It’s like you saying I like capitalism and I then instantly jump in and say “well if you like capitalism so much why don’t you go work in a sweatshop in India, and you think child labour is moral and justified” you’re taking ideas to the extreme, and before you try to straw man that quote that’s not what I think you think And what’s wrong with criticism of either system, don’t get so defensive about it. Even if you ignore gross mismanagement they’ll still be countless wars which were in essence profit driven- look at pretty much every U.N. “police” action since 1989 and they are all profit driven, the Arab spring was largely driven by the CIA- the countries involved were looking to switch selling oil using gold standard instead of the US dollar (this is economics that is too complicated to explain with a youtube comment go search petro dollar) which would harm US profits on the market. Libya went from one of the most well off countries in Africa to a failed state where slavery is rampant in the space of a few years as a result of neo liberal capitalism’s drive for monopoly and profit. Same thing will probably happen in Venezuela, the rats they eat will be the least of their problems over the next few years if Libya is anything to go off. (Before you say I’m defending Maduro I’m not, there’s plenty wrong with him, I just don’t want another Libya. You seem so scared and personally offended at the prospect that the system we live under is harmful to the majority of the population, although I’m guessing it’s because you associate criticism of capitalism as red flag for communism, it’s not, I just want a better world, that’s never going to happen if you’re not critical of the system you live under, especially if your only defence of it is “but communist killed” still doesn’t nullify the death under capitalism.

boflator look here in the UK there is a huge homeless crisis, worst thing is that there is more empty housing here than there are homeless people. A flat block was recently built in my city which was bought by a Russian investor for tax evasion, the flats since being completed 4 years ago have been empty ever since. I'm not calling for violence, just moral action, housing is a human right, it shouldn't be a commodity that only some can attain, and my generation thanks to inflation are never going to own our houses apart from the rich, in 20-30 years time we will see an end to social mobility as it is tied with the ability to purchase housing. What is violent about seizing empty housing and giving it to people who actually need it? And refusing to give it up when no one lives there is put it plain and simply- immoral. so US personal dominance of the oil market is fine but when Arab countries try to get in on the action that's not good? And they weren't cutting supply to US just preventing the US from profiting from other countries natural resources (the petro dollar was established by Nixon as a response the 80s oil crisis funnily enough). The US would still have oil, they just wouldn't profit in its sale on the global market. Maybe if US capitalism is so fragile that the loss of oil profits would result in societal collapse you should reconsider your argument, since this is the exact same cause for Venezuela's collapse a few years ago. So you think criticism of capitalism is fine, which is essentially what my first comment was, that people forget that profit drive leads to miss management and death, that whilst soviet communism was directly responsible for millions upon millions of deaths 80-40 years ago, modern neo liberal capitalism leads to millions of indirect deaths and human rights abuses today. I mean this argument is almost like me making a case to abolish the monarchy because it lead to deaths hundreds of years ago. We aren't living in the past, we are living in the now, and we can only affect the future, being complacent and apologetic isn't going to help anyone, including yourself

@@boflator You must have missed the history of the middle passage, imperialism and neo-colonialism. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@boflator So murdering is worse when the genocide involves your own people rather than the systemic enslavement and torturing of generations of people. Let. Me. Jot. That. Down. I guess they accidentally enslaved people for their own benefit... I hate when that happens. Just the other day I was down the street... Tripped... And what do you know, I toppled another state for oil. I guess it happens to the best of us...

The last year has shown very clearly just how different the U.S and U.K are in politics and how it's discussed. The standard of public discourse about lots of issues in the U.S seems totally moronic.

It stemmed from a comment made with Piers Morgan on Morning TV the other day.

What about figuratively?

LIBERTY PRIME

That's so sad. The USA used to have great debates on TV on all controversial topics.

The beeb's bread and butter...

@@noodlyappendage6729 lol no it wasn't, they're uneducated idiots

I will say, he still came off as the most well-informed out of all of them and I think absolutely did a great job in the name of communists

@Matty Slice interesting projection there lol

@@occamsaturn No. Just based on a cursory history of communism, which is all about useful idiots and brutal, hypocritical self-interested schemers. We have over a century of consistent examples - not the least of which is when Communists and National Socialists aggressively initiated the Second World War as allies.

She doesn't have an informed view, so she doesn't know how else to attack his views.

She's deranged.

If he's 90% communist (I wish) then she's 100% Fascist crackpot

Prism head No it isn't, fascism is capitalist. Socialists have always opposed fascism. In the Spanish civil war socialists fought fascism, Hitler also had socialists killed despite incorrectly calling himself one and there are many more examples. Basic research will tell you this.

Prism head Okay so you're once again wrong. The Nazi party did not have full state control of the economy(which is not something socialists are in favour of) in fact if you Google the origin of the word "privatisation" you will find it comes from an article in the economist describing Nazi policies. Walter Audasio was the Italian communist who shot Mussolini. The fascist leader Franco also said "there will be no communism"

@Snek Supremacist u stoopid

Snek Supremacist yes. Actual liberty.

you reds

The communist guy was too clueless to even understand what they were asking. He was having a completely different conversation.

@@ScreamingManiac He really wasn’t

@@Michael-vn1td he really was

It's like a smiling National Socialist selling a Jew hunting safari in Israel to a couple of polite but skeptical Brits.

Exactly

You are able to sound off but try it in a communist state, you’d soon be a dead dog!

Whenever people, usually on the right, start using the communism=murderous ideology argument, It is often quite easy to dismantle their line of thought using a mirror absurd critique: is Jesus and his supposed teachings to blame for the inquisition, crusades, religious colonial violence and countless other atrocities committed in his name by the Catholic Church? Usually they shut up after that one.

What does that tell you about people?

@@quaid667 I don’t know cuz I can’t make sense of your comment…

Why are we living on twitter? Oh tell me. The sad bedroom mob. Who is the somone on twitter.? One of the sado mobs. Grow up and stop playing your stupid games. The majority are hear now. The new kids on the block. Do one.

@@lasttango7522 hey dude define "communism"

@@mmmorgi Hey I am not a dude so stop making assumptions. Do your own research. Plenty of info on line regarding communism. Dude.

@@lasttango7522 dude

How did anyone state something wrong?

ikr

Yeah...unbelivable in this day and age. So calm and poised.

@Igor Horváth there will be no market. Only amazon.

@Igor Horváth I don't want competition i want co-operation.

@Igor Horváth there will different firms making art for us to enjoy. But will have all scientists working together on most appliances

I mean, his definition he said right before that quote was more accurate than what I’d find from 99% of the proletariat.

Like old Louis said, “I am the state!”, and in a monarchy he’s right, yea? And so in a democracy wouldn’t “the state” simply be made up of the people? I think that’s actually the context the old guy was speaking in, he was projecting fascism onto communism and not democracy. It was disingenuous of him but I imagine he wasn’t trying to lie, he’s likely completely ignorant of history, or lying. WE all know the US has crushed all attempts at communism, the host does to I’m sure. That crushing has help conflate things. The only communist (actually socialist) regime that has been able to hold off American imperialism and “nation building” was USSR in the past and China in modern times. And China is really a mixed system, that’s probably why they’re eating all our lunch! WINNING! Both of them were/are authoritarian socialism, which is indeed a dangerous mix, ready to be corrupted by those in power. Amazingly tho (not), there can be democratic socialism/communism, which is what Marx described, for the most part. There’s been several potential democratic socialist regimes gain power in their countries, generally these are in nations that the aren’t the most stable, so there’s easily subverted and USA helps overthrow them before they can even make a decent experiment of it. USSR and China may not have been all that stable either, but stable enough to withstand our soft wars at least for a time, they also are nations that are big players on the global stage, the US couldn’t flip them in a few months, and they both pose(d) enough of a threat that they can’t just be bombed into submission, and both are famous for their spying, counterspy, as well as very good at gather info about an enemy and have solid counter intelligence too.

Both USSR and China were able to resist for the very reason that they are/were fascist socialism, which is inherently faster to move than any democratic nation. When one party or one person has the only vote that counts, they will not get bogged down in politics, no need to draft accurate laws, no waiting for both sides to prepare their arguments, no waiting for “the people” to vote, it’s just point and click. Honestly that sounds awful but there is certainly merit to it, but only with a competent leader, with potent people under him to do the bidding. That combo of fascism and socialism do seem to arise fairly often, and they are scary, especially with a wild in power, and all that combined does lend itself to tyrannical rule, in fact it resembles a feudalistic monarchy in many ways! But a true socialist government of the proletariat is something else ENTIRELY! But, at least in my mind, that would be a system that COULD be very slow to react appropriately to something like the threat of war, but we take war for granted, as if it’s just the natural state of humans, I don’t think that guaranteed tho, in a modern world cooperation is possible in ways that were impossible even a few decades ago, cooperation is death to war! No need to attack anyone over resources if we’re dedicated to cooperate. Further more, IF such an idealist system could be established, fine tune it very often to optimize communication and be able to take appropriate action quickly then it seems possible to allow for much more swift and agile movement when it’s required, and in truth the fact that such a system is slow is probably an advantage in many ways. In the US we swing from one extreme to the other, with all sides obstructing tge other side, trying to “win” at any cost, and each side making sure to undo the work of the other, as soon as one side loses power the other becomes the party in control, promptly doing everything they can to undo all that work. We can do better! We have the power to build our world the way we’d like it be, but with no vision of the future, no lofty goals to achieve them each individual citizen can only control minute change, never able to work towards a better society.

Communism is not an ideology it's the end of ideology! Communism is the end of history because it's the end of the class stuggle

Karl Marx meant that we all have to share the one toothbrush.

I'm yet to see a public referendum enact the "free market economy" thing in a single country, including my own.

As fellow chilean, i agree, they literally killed our president

The crazy thing is, Chile wasn't even getting rid of their liberal economy, they were expanding welfarism and nationalizing a few things like El Salvador and Iran did before they were all overthrown to be replaced by dictatorships.

Harry Mudd no because the east India company wasn't even definitively capatalism. The UK hadn't even industrialised yet. You can't tye up slavery and stuff from the 1700s to an ideology that wasn't even known at the time. Also we do talk about these things it's just socialism has been the biggest killer in human history.

in other words...capitalism is responsible for all life and puppies and flowers and communism is responsible for all death. capitalism has no death toll .........

Gary DeForve that's not what I said And communism doesn't have a death toll your right. That's because nobody has ever fully reached communism. But socialism has the biggest death toll in mankind

colonialism was fueled by capitalism

well jhonny where do you think capitalism in west got its CAPITAL firsthand? it sure af did not create it with capitalism fairies.

Yep, Bullshit Jobs by the late David Graeber makes the same exact point about technology.

Communism deserves to be demeanered 100 million were killed in its name.

He was using strawman after strawman.

Have we watched the same video?

@@labt8194 Yeah but capitalism has killed sixty trillion

@@GarethPW I don’t think there’s been that many humans in humanity.

Why MEDIUM that is based on 100 % communist way of working is always criticizing communism ? This is beyond my comprehension. Please anybody help me grasp this phenomenon?

Ollie Mason - ah ok. If people don't say anything you can label racist then you'll just make it up.

"It's a funny tinge".

Franck brusset???!! Tu squat les anglais maintenant putin de gauchiste ! 😂

No man....listen again !

Fascism has become such a dirty word that even people who believe in its ideology think of the word as an insult. I wish fascists would own their ideology though, and be proud of it in public if they actually believe it, but they usually understand if they want to indoctrinate susceptible minds, coming out immediately as an openly revolting bigot is probably going to put off many potential inductees. They realise the importance of political correctness, in other words. Say what you want about fascists (they are undoubtedly helped by the way mainstream media either appeals to racist impulses, or appeals to a purely liberal approach to identity politics which the working class feel alienated from) but they can be extremely talented at intellectually dishonest manipulation. Much like a religious cult.

Frank, sorry but you act like an idiot who never read Marx and no Marxism. I recommend you to read Domenico Losurdo's Counter-History of Liberalism, open his mind.

That's 'cause most fascists are hypocrites that prefer being hypocrites and using whistleblowing and other double-speak crap.

Love Aaron but he should have said, look how many people died under capitalism or for capitalism, 2 world wars, middle east wars, slavery, famines etc

He didn't even define what his version of socialism/communism means. Every socialist has a different definition to distance themselves from the huge numbers of people dead from their disgusting ideology.

Communism is not an ideology it's the end of ideology! Communism is the end of history because it's the end of the class stuggle

@@JB27888 What are you talking about? By the STANDARD definiton of communism, none of these countries that are claimed to have mass deaths were communist. You're so biased and you can't even see it.

@@generalgrievous5452 always the excuse to say they weren't real communists.

Sorry, they promised communism by 80s. Did they lied?

@@SurzhenkoAndrii Yes

This is an honest question: How can you get communism on a large scale, without having a large and controlling state to regulate everything?

@@ThePathOfEudaimonia You should check out Viki1999, they do a pretty good job of explaining leftist ideology; honestly that's a really complicated question and the answer will vary depending on who you ask and how they define communism and their specific ideology. Viki has videos that explain a lot of different socialist ideas and some of them focus on implementation of a post-capitalist system in a few different ways, some with a state and some stateless

How does communism work without a totalitarian state?

... what lol

Debate is shit, tbh

Go to Venezuela and see what it means. I hsve travelled and seen what the outcome of communism does. It starts off as a pretty ideology then begins to suppress people. Because they cannot exercise freedom of speech. To do that means blowing the whistle on their misery. So the communists take action. Not giving a toss who is beaten or murdered. And the brakes cannot be turned off. So the vile killing goes on. This man is deluded. And dangerous. Wasn't it him that wanted to disband renemberence Sunday. Wake up.

@@lasttango7522 you too seem mystified about what it means

@@lasttango7522 venezuela kkjjjjjj

@@Smerpyderp Not mystified just outraged that so many useful idiots buy into this vile ideology.

That's because democracy is worth dying for and communism isn't worth living for.

@@paulmorinart socialism is necessarily democratic.

@@paulmorinart haha 'democracy' everytime a country elects a left wing government who wants to stop foreign cooperations from destroying the country Western nations and especially the US coup them install a genocidal fascist government and call it democracy. The US is so democratic it supports the fking Saudi loyal family. They sell you individualism so you think you have power. You don't.

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That's how words work. crazy innit

@@patrickcampbell957 except they aren’t defining the word properly according to The philosopher who developed the term. Communism is not state control lol. It’s a stateless society in which the means of production are shared (like in tribes) and decisions regarding the surplus are decided democratically. Like I’m tribes people have personal property but the means of production (which is what Marx defined as “private property” are communally owned... ie no one owns a farm or factory. We have communism existing in small pockets within capitalist, socialist and social democratic states like worker coops in the basque region of Spain. Just because a political party describes itself as communist, they can only be said to be attempting to support people in creating communism, because by definition it can’t be created or exist of governed from a top down central authority. Marx described capitalism as playing an necessary evolutionary role in developing the technology which would enable communism to exist in complex large societies amd enable them to produce a surplus without coercive exploitation of human labour. I have aspergers and nothing bothers me more than how people redefine words to fit their reactionary feelings. People cannot have any sort of productive conversation and it’s maddening.

It's called ideology. 98% of people defending capitalism don't own capital and have to work to survive.

@@areyoustupid..... what are you talking about? These distinctions aren’t mine. You sound like a intellectually lazy, reactionary ideologue. capitalism is also an ideology responsible for death and war. It is also failing right now and it’s requirement for perpetual growth and gluttonous consumption will destroy our biosphere. All responsible individuals should be looking at primary sources not parroting the media brainwashing that prevents us from understanding our world and keeps us stuck in the past. Plenty of people defended feudalism, but evolution required we change. Grow up and learn to study and think for yourself.

@@areyoustupid..... I would reply but I keep getting deleted. anyways you make no sense. If communism is an idea - then you should study what that idea is. socialism is something else. stop being reactionary and intellectually lazy. Do you not see that capitalism is failing as we speak. All responsible people should be seeking to understand the world - not parrot media talking points and Cold War propaganda and conditioning. Ironic you call me a child. You don’t even know my politics, I was simply pointing out how shallow and ignorant the hosts understanding Of what communism vs socialism is.

Communism is not an ideology it's the end of ideology! Communism is the end of history because it's the end of the class stuggle

kristian devries BBC's worst moment ever? I think so

Bruh, do you want them to be neutral towards Nazis too?

If communism were to be stateless, does that mean an individual within this non-state has the right to run a capitalistic style business?

No, the not-a-state would violently stop that

@@TysonWoof where would you run that capitalistic style business. Don't you need private property for that? Are you aware that the state is what makes private property possible?

But it never gets past socialism, nor will it.

@@Tummasfo You would have to use force to bring back capitalism. Imagine going up to a worker owned factory or state run hospital and saying, "This is mine now."

Capitalism is an ideology because it tries to make the masses see things their way. Communism is not an ideology it's the end of ideology! Communism is the end of history because it's the end of the class stuggle

spot on.

disagree on "not remotely marxist"

I thoroughly recommend a better understanding and reading of Soviet and socialist history, because your current misunderstanding actively promotes the same tiresome, anti-Socialist rhetoric from potential comrades on the left, and reactionary dullards as seen in this video, on the right. I can offer you quite a few books, articles, etc, if you're interested.

Worker´s cooperatives are still an alienated condition. Even left communists started to realize that at the end of the 20th century. The only non alienated condition for humans is no work at all. Automation of work processes is making that a real possibility.

@@jbagger331 hahaha plenty of reasons to cooperate without work: fear of murder, war, desire for sex, desire to procreate, etc. cooperation is rooted in evolution, not some rational decision that supposedly autonomous individuals make.

if they're marxist leninists then it's revolutionary worker's vanguard party controlling the means of production as a transition into fully worker-controlled means of production. But I mean knowing the difference between socialist streams demands some good-faith engagement with the material.

Celebrimbor Blue very true. Reason I said that though is I don't count ML's as actual communists because the Vanguard party never actually quite delivers the workers democratic control of the means of production as they say they will. I don't know it would be nice to see the media actually discuss left wing politics without this Mccarthyite shrieking and fear however.

yep. I really didn't even catch what this guy's ideology was because the ~capitalists~ immediately started red baiting and yapping like scared poodles.

Surely once “the workers” have complete control over the economy they effectively become a state?

Stephen Tries not really. My view of communism at least is that it is at its core also libertarian. It can't have any heirachal structure because this just gets abused by dictatorships, so you wouldn't have any centralised government and state apparatus which could weild undemocratic power. Like in the USSR and pretty much every other self confessed "socialist" nation. The functions of the state (in my idea of communism at least) would be provided by industrial unions which would determine supply of goods and provide for the society what it needs, healthcare, public projects etc etc. Anarcho Syndicalism and Anarcho communism pretty much would be the basis of it.

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You communists would kill capitalists if you could

@Noémie D Anarcho-fascism doesn't have to work with a leader either

No one is saying that though.

That's because it is obvious to most people that when you go down the road of communist collectivism; genocide and oppression are inevitable!

Why people can now talk with communists on TV but not with nazists? It is same as bad. I am from post communist country never again

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Yes, genocide, the systematic murder of a particular race, is the clear outcome of pursuing a vision of a collective society. *bangs head on wall in frustration*

Open question - how are you gonna redistribute wealth, if not by force or under threat of force?

Selhani Once you get to the extremes like Nazism, Communism, and even socialism my opinion is that it's all 'more government' bullshit. Yes they have differences but it still equates to less freedom of the people and more government control. Capitalism is the most free ideology as far as I know. Those extreme shitty systems don't and never will work.

Selhani Tell that to the millions of people who were sent to consent ration camps in the names of communism.

Dnt Wry Explain please

Your so right nazism killed 10 million communism killed 100 million so communism is far worse. Tots agree with you.

Let me take the time to explain to the alt-right talking points parrots here why Communism isn;t on the same moral level as National-Socialism. Nazism's stated goal is the expulsion of the Jewish people from Europe, with violence as the explicit way of doing so. Communism stated goal is to abolish scarcity, with violence as a consequences of actors and the actual impossibility of that goal at that time and place. Evil is inherent to nazism, while the moral goal of communism is good.

Both are

"The more the guberment does stuff, the more commie it is."

10% not a communist?🤕

Communism is not an ideology it's the end of ideology! Communism is the end of history because it's the end of the class stuggle

@Paul Judkins no it isn't

@Paul Judkins see: anarchist communism

@Prism head you're a psychopath

Marx said the development of capitalism is necessary for communism to be achieved. One of many reasons Lenin et al was wrong to pursue it in Russia or any other under developed country. I wouldn't call myself a communist, I am a libertarian socialist, and I would avoid the word because of the baggage you described. However, you must understand that communism is a moneyless, classless society based on the free association of individuals- it's never happened anywhere, except maybe by the anarchists for a brief time in the spanish civil war before it was crushed by... Stalin. I called you a psychopath because you took the natural human act of sharing and turned it into a soulless money transaction, and called it 'grown up'. Furthermore, you ignore the uncounted millions of deaths attributed to capitalism, which are ignored as if a fact of nature. Slavery, imperialism, empire, genocide, war and fascism have all been results of the capitalist system.

serjthereturn libertarian socialism is an oxymoron.

Who was buying meals at restaurants in 1950's Soviet Union?

@@agt155 Do you really believe there were no restaurants in the USSR?

@@agt155 what do you think the Soviet Union was? It had a very similar standard of living to the US at that time. Just because most businesses were worker owned doesn’t mean the crops instantly withered and all food vaporized off the shelves.

Communism is not an ideology it's the end of ideology! Communism is the end of history because it's the end of the class stuggle

@@Smerpyderp yeah the cia even admitted that they had a similar calorie intake but the Soviets ate healthier food

Make an argument rather than a baseless accusation. By the way Stalin also claimed to be a democrat. East Germany had the word democratic in its official name. Does this mean democracy is a tainted word?

Because thats an absurd reading of history. You could say that of Lenin and Trotsky who clearly were committed to communism but not of Stalin or Mao. Stalin supported freer markets in the 20's when it suited his purpose then he launched his breakneck industrialization programme where inequality massively increased and most of the basic principles of socialism were disregarded. You cant have it both ways. Stalin was a naive Utopian who tried to build paradise on earth. Also he was ruthless pragmatist who did anything to stay in power. Which is it?

@@elcampesino1848 Lenin and Trotsky did not fundamentally disagree with Stalin on the necessity of terror, or on the necessity of eliminating markets and private property. Trotsky and Stalin primarily didn't like each other because of personal differences; not because of ideological differences. Heck, Trotsky wrote an entire treatise defending the use of mass violence in defence of the revolution. The first labour camps were established under Lenin; Stalin merely expanded the system. Stalin was certainly a ruthless dictator. However, can you honestly tell me how you would have gone about doing collectivization in the Soviet Union? How do you collectivise 120 million recalcitrant peasants without violence? The answer is: you can't. Stalin did it the only way it could have been done and to claim otherwise is a lie. Stalin was communism's best chance and brightest light. And yes, it was a horror show. But it couldn't have been any other way.

Paul Judkins Yes

you mean its a totally unrealistic dream ? yeh that'll work ?

Louis O'Halloran Perhaps you should read the Gulag Archipelago,in fact anyone who fancies Communism hasn't read it or even can come to grips with what the Stalinist regime did,much less Mao and the rest.

@Freedom Warrior dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/communism

Freedom Warrior seems that the definition of communism has changed over time

People love to equate fascism and communism by looking at the numerous failed attempts at each and not understanding the differences. In short, capitalist propoganda.

Judge Holden are you dumb Facism was born out of socialism The guy who started facism was a previous socialist. The Nazis where socialists. Mussolini was a socialist turned facist. You are incorrect facism ties directly towards socialism not capatalism and that is quite well represented in modern history.

jhonny xxd you're seriously this dumb aren't you...

johnny xxd Every point you made is factually and historically wrong.

Okay you two give me an example of what was wrong in that comment please do go ahead because I think you have clearly not been reading on your historical socialism. As one who has read the works of Marx and the communist manifesto I can confirm that they are quite similar to Mussolinis writing and you could even draw small comparisons to mein kampf (My struggle) written by Hitler.

jhonny xxd The small comparison being that they are both written in German. Although you are correct about Mussolini's early socialist associations, he quite clearly departed from this dramatically. Read the Encyclopaedia Brittanica entry on Italian Fascism and you will see just how wrong your statement is if you are capable of reasonable thought: www.britannica.com/place/Italy/The-Fascist-era. It clearly states, as was the case durig Weimar Germany, that the Fascists were supported by Capitalists, bourgeoisie and landowners to violently combat left wing groups, workers and trade unions.

It would just be an I-shirt from apple..happens every day.

I mean, she is literally a Ukipper who's never said a thoughtful word in her life. She's been on question time a fair few times (which, fair enough, their party unfortunately got a certain level of public support), and she was just shown up for the complete lightweight she is, intellectually speaking. I mean, you could be a flag waving thatcher loving Tory and still see through her complete lack of any intelligent thought when put next to actual competent people.

Shut up knob.

pardon?

Libertarian Leninist Rants How does one be both a Libertarian AND a Leninist?

damit, is it so hard to click on the channel info? 1. its a joke 2. its also kinda trying to reclaim "libertarian" from those right wingers who stole the word from actual anarchists (socialists)

Libertarian Leninist Rants Well actually yes, yes it is. Where do you explain your stance? Where is the channel info, I don’t know, I rarely use my channel properly.

click on the channel name and then you see these different tabs under the channel picture like videos, playlists and channel description.

Libertarian Leninist Rants Cheers brah.

When in Rome you do as the Romans do.

It escalated quickly

So your father was partly responsible for the endless strikes. Strikes that meant we had power cuts for days on end. Strikes that had millions of tons of rubbish in the streets. No jobs. No future Strikes that resulted in the collapse of the shipbuilding industry, the car industry, coal mining , etc etc etc. I lived through it . Thank goodness Maggie came along.

Try the Novara media website