The traitor primarchs giving their blessings to Abaddon is very different to them KNEELING to him. Abby's leading the forces of Chaos Undivided because 4 of the Primarchs are dedicated to specific gods, nobody likes Lorgar because he's the reason they're all damned, and nobody likes Perty because he's Perty (probably).

It's hard enough to imagine chaos marines like Kharn or Ahriman ever bowing to Abaddon. The Black Legion PR team are clearly hard at work redefining the Deamon Primarchs indifference and amusement towards the warmaster into 'bowing'.

I imagine it is like a room of serial killers...they aren't friends, but they understand each other. I would say the Daemon Primarchs obviously view Abbadon as "less than" since he is just an Astartes and they are Primarchs, on top of them ascending to Daemonhood, but also respect him due to the blessings given by their patron Gods. I would say Abbadon hates them, since he also hates the Gods, but uses them since his hatred for the Imperium and the Emperor is greater. He wants to prove he is better, not from his pedigree, but his will and self alone. Everything is just a tool or weapon to further himself. He is free, they are slaves.

I can't imagine perturabo then man who carried the entire heresy on his back ever bowing to abaddon. Mortarion is similar but perturabo is the one which is a flat out no chance for me. Fulgrim could be appeased by some sort of sick pleasure, lorgar could recognize him as the leader of chaos, angron could be defeated or appeased by battle, Magnus could be appeased by knowledge. Perturabo has no direct master so no one could pull his strings like the others.

I’m highly dubious of the traitor primarchs literally bowing. They may have acceded to Abbadon’s demands or allied themselves (individually) at one time or another. I can even see him fighting someone like Angron & coming out ahead. Let’s remember Iskander Khayon is even more of an unreliable narrator that most folks in 40K...Tzeentch sorcerer & all that. It’d be totally in character for him to do some creative wordplay to both lie & tell the truth simultaneously.

Well maybe we’re taking “bowed” a little too literally. I’d imagine instead of the primarchs actually physically submitting themselves, maybe it’s more of that they acknowledged that Abby was the leader of chaos. Or came to him for help with something, not literally bowing before him.

I think that is one of the grey areas of the fluff, partly due to the dissonance between "telling not showing" and not quite aligned fluff. On the one hand, Abaddon should objectively be considered a proper badass. He was the right hand of Warmaster Horus even going so far as to tear the Talon from his falled gene-sires body, rebuiltthe shattered XVIth after they their internal and external beatings, slapped around Fabius Bile and the IIIrd to get back Horus' body, slew a clone Primarch of Daddy-Kins, and has mastered the sword that is, if memory serves, supposed to be the one capable of slaying the Emperor. If its the Death of Empires like I think it is. Memory is fuzzy on that. Hell, he' s even told the Chaos Gods to step off and denied Daemonhood. THAT deserves kudos. But then things get...difficult, for Meta and Non Meta reasons. We, the readers, get to see 10,000 years and 13 tries Abaddon with all the forces of the Warp achieves virtually nothing. Dude couldn't get past Cadia. I mean, yeah, each Black Crusade is a BIG DEAL and all sorts of crazy juju happened. Yet none of it feels impactful in many ways. Combine with model rules being bad (to say nothing of the model itself) for so long, combine with meme internet echo chamber, and its hard to see him boss around Primarchs. Its difficult to see ANYONE boss around Primarch's, barring the Emp, Maclador, and Guilliman's Mom. She'd set you right straight, she would. Trying to reconcile "they bent the knee" and "seeing Morty and Fulgrim going off and doing their own thing all the time without caring about Abby" we either have to go with the "just as planned" route (which feels like a cop-out) or its like Abaddon's canonical other situations; its more like a mob boss favor. Abaddon is shown, from Cypher to Bile to a host of other warband lords, basically set it up that they do what they like until he calls in a marker. Chaos is inherently broken and fractious. These are the schmucks who broke every oath possible and spent millenia stewing in pits of madness and hate. They aint exactly regimented. So, Abaddon probably bribed, bet, beat, or bargained a deal with all of them. I mean, if Guilliman can get threatened by a hit squad of Alpharius boys while in his lounge wear, Abbadon can hilt-slap Lorgar any day of the week with the right deamon tools.

Rho, great topic! It's hard finding new and unique topics now a days, this was nice.

I want to say in the 5th-6th edition demon codex it flat out says a unified chaos would be unstoppable. But because they never truly trust each other they are never fully unified. That is what gives everyone a chance to beat chaos.

My interpretation has always been that the daemon primarchs are INFINITELY more powerful than Abaddon in person, but that the Black Legion is considerably more powerful as a whole than the individual traitor legions are. We know that it's far larger and more coherent than most of the original legions, especially with many of their numbers actively breaking off to join the Black Legion. So when reading Khayon's quote from the Black Legion series, I never interpreted it as Abaddon 1v1ing the primarchs. That'd be ridiculous. But I could see the Black Legion defeating the traitor legions one by one, to garner some sort of concession from the primarchs. I collect Iron Warriors, so it's not that I'm a huge BL fanboy or anything, but I've always acknowledged that the Black Legion are front and center for a reason. I'm pretty sure they're the strongest Legion and by far the biggest presence on the scene of the Long War. They're just the undiluted essence of what it means to be a chaos space marine, dedicated entirely to military success, without the other legions' gimmicks and side objectives. If someone told me that the Black Legion equals or outnumbers all of the traitor legions combined in the modern day of 40k, after 10k years of desertions, the legions fracturing and the Black Legion absorbing most Imperial defectors -- then I wouldn't call them crazy. End of the day, a primarch can only do so much against overwhelming numbers superiority.

VERY interesting question. I was curious about this topic for months now

The Black Legion series has been a masterpiece of writing so far. It's just a shame that Iskandar Khayon's recount may be nothing more than a pack of lies with him being the unreliable narrator he is. 'Cos, yeah, I can't imagine any daemon primarch would literally submit to Abbadon's command either, nor would they remain loyal even if they were compelled unless Abbadon had some leverage over them. It can't be as simple as them simply being whipped into line. Of course, the saga behind the origin and power of Drach'nyen still hasn't been fully explored yet, so it's still possible Abbadon's daemonsword had something to do with it...

Good Question! I would think The Traitor Primarchs would be jealous of him being the chosen of chaos, especially Lorgar!

Angron: Welcome Abbadon, it is good to see you. May I get you some tea? Abbadon: I have come to demand that you kneel before me, acknowledge my superiority, and that you pledge your efforts to my Black Crusade. I will force you if you deny me. Angron: Of course, you could crush me without effort or thought. With a clear mind I see unification under your rule the most sense. I am nothing if not humble and subservient. It warms my heart to bow as a symbol of my servitude to you.

Magnus is the one brought to his knees as Kahylon Iskander is called "Kingbreaker" for making him do just that.

This is a very interesting video for me. This is lore that's not easy to piece together, and how Abbadon got all these super men to follow him is an obvious question; one that's not easy to answer. In the end, it's just practical for the Traitors to unite behind one leader.

Abaddon isnt just an Astartes, he's the rumoured clone of Horus, as well as successfully slaying all the Horus clones made by Fabius Bile, so bowing to him isn't like bowing to any other Astartes, especially when Horus was the best of all the primarchs. Speed 1.5 or 2 really helps with watching this video

Abaddon disavowed his war master and killed his clone and now wields Horus claw so I imagine the primarchs care very little about him and only care about their own self interests and the service to their gods

I believe that Chaos will always wind up working against itself as true unity is anathema to them

Abbadon is Alpharius

Lore be doin Magnus dirty

Really keen for book 3 to come out to see how it all pans out!

I'd imagine the Demon Primarchs bowing to Abbadon would be akin to the 4 chaos gods bowing or rather "submitting" to Horus.

So I haven’t read all the comments so if someone mentioned this then sorry for repeating it. Talon of Horus and black legion are just Khayon telling the story to the inquisitor when he turned himself in. To me the fact Abby told him to do that says it all. Khayon is there to terrify them into thinking Abby is Horus and it’s gonna be round 2 of the heresy. I absolutely love those books and watching Abby change from the heresy to the scouring is so enjoyable. Those two books have made me rethink if Abby is even a bad guy he is doing what any leader would do for his brothers in my eyes anyways

In the second book by Aaron Dembski Bowden. The Psyker "Abaddon Assassin" have this quick comment that blew my mind. He was looking at Abaddon, and said Horus? Got me thinking what if Horus Soul or essence is in Abaddon. The psyker could see what others could not. Also the first telling of the fight with the emperor and Horus may change from what's cannon, were they have you believe Horus soul was destroyed by the Emprah.

There's no way the primarchs actually knelt to someone they could easily kill. I like Abby but he's just a marine. That is what makes him special. But there's no way in hell they are literally bowing to a marine and taking orders from him. Look at the recent Plague Wars series. Morty didn't give a flying fudge about Abby or what anyone else was doing. He kicked the snot out of the Smurfs. Fulgrim has been in the 40k actual game setting since Gathering Storm at the end of 7th. They clearly are not working together. They might agree not to openly fight each other but they aren't coordinating anything that we've seen in the flore.

Magnus is confirmed to be the one brought to his knees, Khayon described himself in one of the books as "the Mage who brought Magnus the Red to his Knees"

I always felt like abbadons name came from orks "Oi you heard of that new chaos git?" " iz he a humie? Wut kinda humie iz he' 'A bad un'

Abaddon has earned their grudging respect and they are willing to treat with his representatives when his goals align with whatever endeavors they are currently engaged in, but he does not control them nor would they ever countenance kneeling to one such as him. For all the favor of the gods and his many gifts he’s still just an Astartes and he would never have the strength to compel them to do anything, something he is keenly aware of and so is content to create situations where they can be somewhat counted on to aid him when necessary because the benefits are tailored to be worth their time.

You really know what everyone want to see 😁

"Angron may have been a little upset" lmao.

The events of Mortarion invading Ultramar at all is evidence enough that he and Abadon won’t really work together. Mortarion doesn’t want to work with anyone, his ego won’t allow it, he wants to have others, go on with his plans. If they really worked together Abadon would have aided Mortarion as they both invaded Ultramar in similar time periods and could’ve overwhelmed the Imperium, but they didn’t. Lorgar and Perturabo would want to win hearts for Chaos and win the long war especially. Magnus has been very active in comparison to other demon Primarchs, so he doesn’t feel he has to involve the Black legion with his plans.

I can see Abbadon just letting Magnus be Magnus as he would focus most of his efforts in destroying the Space Wolves being the most united Legion of old was would useful enough

Well from my understanding the black legion and the traitor primarchs legions don’t really ever interact that much and the primarchs don’t care about him his legion or what he’s doing because he’s chaos undivided so they technically can’t fuck with him because that’s the whole point of chaos undivided no one chaos faction can boss the around as it’s seen intruding on the other 3.

very nice

The very idea any demon Primarch would ever bend the knee to Abaddon is truly the most ridiculous thing I think I have ever heard in my entire life. Honestly even Lorgar would sooner bend the knee to the Emperor and beg forgiveness for betraying him then swear fealty to Failbaddon the harmless. Furthermore and most ridiculously of all is Magnus doing such a thing considering compared to him Abby is merely an insect crawling at his feet who he no doubt despises even more so than the Wolves.

Iskandar Khayon the king breaker, broke his father's back in the name of the of the black legion! In the name of brotherhood

Always wondered how Abaddon an astarte became the war master when so many traitor primarchs were still around. Figured the demon primarchs were having to work for their said chaos gods in exchange for their powers and don’t think the chaos gods want humanity to end just suffer so they don’t push the primarchs to help. As fragmented as the imperium is if they banded together like in the herasy they might could win.

It is a complex question. The very fact that an Astartes could rise to such power and influence, that the Primarchs had to take him seriously, treat with him as a equal and factor his will into their own plans is a monumental achievement!! Getting them on-board could very well be interpreted as them acknowledging Abaddon. I don't think we will see any of them literally kneel except Magnus. Khayon earns the title "Kingbreaker" for a reason. Obviously no through raw power, but we will see.... But you called the Primarchs free. They precisely aren't! As Demons they are bound to the Gods and must follow. The Gods invest Abaddon as their supreme Champion, and so their Primarchs has to accept some degree of overlordship from him. Abaddon is still a mortal with his own soul, precisely because he refuses to be bound like the Primarchs he sees as failures.

REQUEST: Huron Blackheart

Khayon's tales are from the perspective of him recalling events to his imperial gaolers. Holding someone in high enough esteem to allow yourself to be captured and blinded may not allow Khayon to see flaws in Abandon, and have painted it in his mind to be the primarchs submitting.

My theory: Abby and the Traitor Primarchs are working together to whittle down the Imperium. Abbadon knows when you divide the forces of your enemy they’re easier to conquer. That’s why he destroyed Cadia. Once Nihlus is under Chaos control, they’ll consolidate and invade Imperium Sanctum.

So there is a moment at the end of the second black legion book where some things happen and Abbadon is in what equates to a suspension tank healing his grievous wounds. That Kayon asks him if he is a clone of his father and he doesn’t deny it he simple says what do you think. Kayons response was perfect which builds out the possibility that maybe he could be a match of the Primarchs. Also I don’t think it’s impossible to make anyone happy enough to stay out of your way. Even if it’s as simple as an explanation that your time is important and better spent elsewhere let me handle the imperium. As well as also I have the backing of all your respective masters so go on about your business. I will keep them busy while you involve yourselves with other important tasks. Lastly remember he has the favor of all the Chos gods because right now he is the chosen one. But it doesn’t mean they are not fickle and will abandon his ass when something else comes along. The whole second book kinda lays that out.

Armless the harmless wades out of the warp to fail again.

I was under the impression that Abbadon was "Bloated" by the Ruinous Powers: and somewhat equal to a Primarch in his present state. It just doesn't make sense that a Superior Primarch would take orders from his lesser. Would you want to work under someone whom is inferior to you?

Lol, can you imagine the primarch lined up for inspection, abbadon acting like a drill sergeant, drop and give me 20 angron, lol, nope, can't see it

Perhaps Lorgar submitted to Abbadon so he can do to the Black Legion what he intended to do during the Heresy. Take control of the traitor forces. This would offer an unseen perspective in the Dark Council. Erebus wants the Word Bearers to join the Black Legion while Kor Phaeron wants them to remain completely separate and Lorgar's return could have him want to take control of the Black Legion. Perhaps he tries to do to the Black Legion what Abbadon tried to do to Talos, forcibly converting each member of the Black Legion to a Chaos God so as to have them on his leash.

It would be nice if ADB ever finishes the Black Legion trilogy, after the last two books of the SoTerra it's the one I'm looking forward to the most.

Perhaps the gods are forcing them to work with Abaddon. Because Abaddon is useful to chaos. Like you say Lorgar. But they're only bowing because it helps further the chaos undivided goal.

Abbadon is the only chaos agent doing anthing, because chaos doesnt want to do anything. the galaxy is a mess of disease, passion, pride, war, and ambition. the current setting is chaos winning, becasue the materium is a fraction of their effort, and abbadon is a good little lad "furthering' their goal

Damnit Rho. You missed a perfect pun opportunity by not saying "General Despoiler warning".

To be fair, Abaddon is basically shy of Daemonhood by his choice and maybe it was more an acceptance that he was the Warmaster of Chaos undivided. If the Gods gift him with the symbol of it, I guess they had to bow or face their God.

They all get on super well and catch up on the reg. That's what family is about, y'know?

Abaddon has the gods favour, maybe they helped directly in the negotiations. Threatening to remove their powers maybe

I'm going to disagree here, Abbadon has the full blessing of the chaos gods, and it is not unheard of that power making one capable of challenging a primarch. Look no further than Luther being able to stand up to the Lion. While Abbadon most likely isn't powerful enough to win over a primarch in 1 on 1 combat, with a squad of terminators and the right moves he could very well lay them low. We all like to forget that an AL kill team nearly assassinated Guilliman when they caught him off guard, and Abbadon could easily slaughter such a group. Don't underestimate the despoiler, because like the primarchs who do the same, many times it will spell your end. I feel like 40k fans often give too much credit to the power of the primarchs. They're powerful, but not unstoppable. Dorn got shanked in a hallway by deathguard, the Lion had trouble beating Luther (who wasn't even an astartes), Abbadon killed a clone of Horus, Guilliman and the AL assassins and many more examples throughout the books. Primarchs can be bested by astartes when caught in a bad situation. I think this is worth noting.

The part about them being forced to kneel is very likely just black legion gusto, I see it as them having come to a " cooperative " understanding

As much as I hate to admit it Abaddon is a powerhouse and is liked amongst the chaos god's but the primarchs or rather deamon primarchs and Abaddon most likely just grudgingly accept that Abaddon can lead an army

Given the Primarchs of the gods are extensions of their patrons, who is Perturabo beholden to?

Magnus taking a knee to Abaddon might be connected to Magnus seeming to know where Russ was. If Abaddon defeated Russ and brought him to Magnus in chains, I could see Magnus taking a knee in exchange.

I can imagine the chaos gods demanding the primarchs bend the knee as a form of punishment.

Angron bowed to Abbadon? Imagine what Khorne would say about that

I don’t see any primarch bowing to a space marine who is also the son of their failure brother who lost them the greatest war they’d ever been in. I see some other folks talking about Abby’s power level though and my only argument in his favor is that Luther, who wasn’t even a full space marine, could stand with the Lion enough to wound him into a coma. So, I think Abbadon wouldn’t just be someone the daemon primarchs could swat away easily. But, given their own elevated status, I don’t see him actually being able to beat one’s in a straight fight.

I'm pretty sure Fulgrim bent over, but I can see how that might look like bowing.

I’m not sure Abaddon is that much weaker than a Primarch. Even if he’s not quite their equal, he’s probably the most powerful non-Primarch human by far. He did kill a clone of Horus after all…before he had gained Drach’nyen or received the gifts of Chaos. It’s even rumored he’s Horus’ clone. Not to mention he’s got an army behind him that dwarfs any of the other Legions.

The best thing about wh40k is that few things are truly true. Bad writing can be explained away by assuming the narrator is wrong or lying. So when you come across a book that spouts nonsense like this it doesn't need to ruin your head canon like all the other IP's. for example: Ferrus Manus didn't die, a clone did. Fulgrim has been keeping his brother in the warp prisoner still trying to drive him insane. Dorn is Still alive and just because I like him most of all Alpharius isn't dead or a traitor. Omegon had taken his place and been killed by Dorn. Alpharius then used a clone of himself to trick Guillaman who he doesn't trust enough to reveal himself to. They can try and try to make Abaddon a thing but he's just a badly rewritten, evil marry sue which is why people don't like him. I can't even get through videos about him because he's so boring.

It's happened before that indivdual chaos champions defy Abbadon to enact the will of their patron god. That being the case I don't see the dark gods giving over their Primarchs to submit chaos undivided.

Considering the 4 chaos gods all want to claim Abaddon as their own it wouldn't surprise me if they ordered their personal Primarchs to submit, at least for now. Seeing this is the will of Chaos. Lorgar would bow too. Perturabo would be practical about it. And I doubt Alpharius would be troubled by putting on a show of humility.

Do not forget, Abaddon is the choosen by the pantheon to lead Chaos Undivided, that is a title, that is different and not to be compared to beeing a primarch. So even if the demonprimarch follow just one god, their gods whish is for them to follow the warmaster of chaos, then they should do that, for the instances where chaos undivided wages war to the universe. And do not forget, even if imperial propaganda and naysayers making fun about Abaddon, he did not fail, (new lore) states that all 13 crusades were successfull, the goal wasn't to win it was to achieve a single step, it is chess not brute force what is happening, and that is what Abaddon convinced them of, bowing to Abaddon is for the Astartes that change legion to join the Black Legion

I think a lot of it comes from the overrepresentation of the Primarchs at the meta level. Before 30K really took of it was about 'Champions', Calgar, Dante and Logan were as big as it got in the Imperium, and you had a lot of focus on say Ahriman and the warbands. In the older 40K art where things were more colourfully terrifying, before the models etc Primarchs were like Greater Deamons in the background. But crucially; they did not get involved. Abbadon actually *cares* about winning, and he wants to rule others and fight. This isn't true of the Deamon Primarchs even before the Heresy. Their desires rule them, they have no regard for their sons whatsoever. They are not of the material and not anything like leaders that court alliances. I think Talon of Horus was so important because it sells why they *could* bow. The Deamon Primarchs may think they will never bow...but they never thought they would fall, get beaten at Terra, all of them get refused by some of their followers and become slaves to darkness in different forms. They are too myopic and the contest means less to them, so it's easier to blindside them. A Deamon Primarch *thinks* they have already won and Abbadon is a gnat. Abbadon *knows* he is just an Astartes but one with allies, with knowledge of all the Legions they never really ally with, and he takes things deathly seriously. There is no Medrengard, no Great Game, no Pleasure Planet for him, but pride, reputation, and having to win so I can see that leading to a win the same way a featherweight taking on a guy twice is size but cocky could lose with a lot of planning.

It would be awesome if the daemon primarchs Unite again but Abaddon should have to ve replaced and there should be enough loyalist alive and kicking ass again to make the Chaos rally posible.

I do not think for a second the Traitor Primarched bowed before Ezekyle. Rather, I think they just gave his their support, like some chaotic sponsors. And that begs the question... for how long are the Traitor Primarchs going to vouch for Abaddon exactly? I really feel like his story arc will end just as Sigismund said. He be get steamrolled by Guilliman, abandoned by his lackey and his allies, and die alone and ashamed that he never achieved what his father couldn't. And then a better Warmaster shall take the lead and he will be quickly forgotten.

Lmfao just imagining Mortarion kneeling to ANYONE other than "father" is hilarious. This is the same dude that nearly strangled Malcador to death for not telling him where "father" is way before the Horus Heresy.

I really dont know about the Primarchs "kneeling" to Abaddon. Its just too out of character for them. That just seems like inconsistent writing to me. I can imagine the Primarchs considering themselves above the petty concerns of "crusade business" and giving Abaddon their go ahead to just do what he wants with whats left over after the Heresy.

I would think it will always be the same Chaos will be Chaos they might work together for a time but they act like children and will take their ball and play elsewhere. The only one that might completely split is Perty. Its still had to even see him as a daemon prince and i have a feeling the iron warriors might turn into a army of one. Alpharius on the other side plan is slowing taking effect and he will be shown soon alive again in the story. Now with that said GW is a business and if primarch gets them some extra cheese be ready for all to return in the next few years.

Abaddon is not a mere "Astartes". In his most current iteration (40k rules) he is probably the most powerful character on the tabletop (at least top 3), and would likely dispatch most of the current Primarchs in single combat (Morty is a tough nut to crack; but Morty doesn't have large advantage) He also commands an army many orders of magnitude larger than any of the demon Primarchs; and he has the favor of ALL of the gods. The only Demon Primarch that you could make a case for being a better Warmaster is maybe Purty. So, yeah, I don't think it's a stretch to say they "bent the knee"; at least figuratively. If revenge against the Imperium is their goal, Abaddon is their best hope.

Your channel is doing really well and your video images are great. I do inquire though why you use all caps on all your videos. It doesn’t match your calm and disarming demeanor, so it confuses me somewhat. You would be far from the only Warhammer KZfaqr doing this, but I wonder all the same.

Abbadon is a distraction as chaos has many faces. He is a lynch pin to keep focused hatred on the imperium. He is a standard bearer a rallying point in the confusion of factions. While the imperium focuses on the eye of terror, there are other plans in place. Is he there to hold the black legion in place for the return of Horus. Will he be the sacrifice required to make it happen ? His geneseed is that of Horus. As the power of the warp grows then the possibilities grow. Could Horus be born of Abbadon? Horus choose him as a companion. As all primarchs are of the warp did Horus seed shards of his being into his companions as the Emperor did with his Primarchs. As chaos revealed the secrets his father stole from them.

If Mortarion acted like that, then Curze would have absolutely put Abbadon in the dirt. Curze do as Curze do.

that was funny.

chaos is by its nature, non uniform or united and its the character flaws that allowed them to be vulnerable to chaos influence so i doubt they are going to mature out of it anytime soon.

To me there is no way any of the traitor primarchs are going to bow or kneel to a space marine, regardless of their status. This feels like either GW is kicking up the Abbadon wank, or it wasn’t meant to be taken literally. First reason this makes no sense is that the traitor primarchs don’t bow to anyone outside the God they serve. Bowing or kneeling is an act meant to show fealty and submission, and the warmaster of chaos, be it Abbadon or even Horus has never actually had the fealty of his forces. Horus had issues keeping his brothers in line, so there’s no way a space marine could do it. The second reason it makes no sense for them to kneel is the fact that every single one of them could delete Abbadon with no effort, and all of them(except maybe Fulgrim) could lead the forces of chaos WAY better than him. Primarchs like Mortarion, Perturabo and Fulgrim would never submit to someone objectively inferior to themselves. At best, I can imagine the primarchs listening to Abbadon and essentially agreeing to co sign his leadership as long as he leaves them tf out of it unless they, or their god directly wants them involved. Like for Magnus I can see it being like “yeah idc what you do as long as you ask Tzeentch before trying to get me to do shit for you” For Fulgrim it probably went like “find me a drug I haven’t done and a hole I haven’t penetrated before and I’ll do whatever you want” And for perty I can see it being like “you aren’t in charge of me or my warriors directly but if I think your plan is decent I’ll throw you some tech and soldiers”

The demon primarchs are going to be infected by the great game of chaos and therefore will never be able to 100% combine forces for long

No way that the Chaos gods who are in constant struggle among each other will made one of their main weapons - the demon primarchs obey even the one that they choose to lead the charge in Abbadon, they simply do not trust each other that much. Some kind of cooperation yes but Abbadon have a specific task and thats it, no way that Nurgle for example will just order "his" Mortarion to do as Abbadon say so.

Abaddon, the pawn of chaos. Just like his failure of a father.

I mean, the Daemon Primarchs are after all daemons now. Just like with summoning, couldn't one control or guide a daemon by using their true name?

What would lorgar need with messing or undermining the imperial faith. He already did that by creating it lol

Chaos is chaotic they will never stay unified for long. It is why Horus lost.

Abandon, the Kim Jong Un of Warhammer

I'm a but disappointed that Purterabo would willingly join since that seems a bit at odds with his character, at least it feels like there should have been an exchange made for his service.

Well the 4 that follow a God can be forced to if their God will its. Lorgar would follow the dark gods will. Just be Pertuda to get to fall in line

They are slaves who do as they're told eventually. Bow or kneel or convince, call it what you wish, they all serve in the end.

Fulgrim- I'm too busy railing space coke and fucking femboys Angron- AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Perty- I'm a yes man so yes sir abandon Lorgar- As long as you save me from Corvis Morty- over your dead body Magnus- HA! No

Logar has been in solitude since the heresy basically so it was probably kor pheromones or erebuble. There running the show in his absence. Lorgar wouldn't take shit from abbadon. Definitely not now after what he's become

I understand Abaddon is not a primarch, but i feel like in this video and in general he doesn't get enough credit in basically every area in my opinion

There's a rumor that Morty's going to get redeemed, this may cause a lot of problems with the death guard's, what do you guys think?

Without warp juice, Abby is just a space marine. Sigismund or Sevatar are better than him. He had a hard time take on Loken. Necron tech can cut off warp power, then abby is just a strong marine.

Doesn't everyone just look down on everyone else?

I want Lufgt Huron is what I God-Emperror damned want

2:13 to be continued tomorrow

No. It's silly. Even Lorgar, no way. The rest even less so.