Abbasid Caliphate: A Study in Political Failure

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Thersites the Historian

Thersites the Historian

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In this video, I examine the Abbasid Caliphate (750-1258 CE) and look at the reasons for its failure to maintain political unity in the Islamic world. In addition, I explore the impact of Islamic disunity on the ability of the Crusaders and Mongols to succeed in their respective conquests.

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@manetho5134
@manetho5134 6 жыл бұрын
The Seljuk sultanate of rum didn't fall because of an ottoman revolt, their power grew less and less especially when the ilkhanates conquered them, they split into separate states like karaman, gremian and others
@yeniceri1364
@yeniceri1364 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's what he said
@manetho5134
@manetho5134 3 жыл бұрын
@@yeniceri1364 what did he say then?
@borekursbmv
@borekursbmv 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't it called Germiyan?
@borekursbmv
@borekursbmv 3 жыл бұрын
What he said was that "the sultanate of Rûm's power was broken by the Mongols ... then later they would face a rebellion by a guy named Osman, who founded a dynasty, a very obscure one, later known as the ottomans" He's saying that one of the (minor at this time) Beyliks that took advantage of the diminished power sultanate of Rûm folllowing the Mongol invasion to gain independence was the ottomans, and implying that they would at a later point become important to world history, and not that their rebellion caused the collapse of the sultanate of Rûm.
@manetho5134
@manetho5134 3 жыл бұрын
@@borekursbmv yeah I spelled Germiyan incorrectly, anyways the Sultanate of Rum's territories at the time of Osman was an area around the city of Sivas(in the east of anatolia), I know Osman's father Ertugrul was a vassal of the Seljuks but I don't know if his son Osman was a vassal too
@KaylDunnyan
@KaylDunnyan 6 жыл бұрын
It wasn’t just Arab/berber tensions that brought the Umayyads down, it was everybody who wasn’t arab and to some extend not a semite, and it was the persians or tipped the scale by hosting the abbasids and actively joining them in the rebellion to topple the umayyads. the berbers only operated in the far fringes in what is now morroco, Algeria and spain and posed no real threat to the Umayyad power base in Syria or its most loyal provinces in egypt and the levant. The movement of non arabs rising up and the Abbasids fueling them and courting them is called the “Shu‘ubiyya“ by historians of this period , which ironically means l”populism“.
@user-ui3pw1ys3k
@user-ui3pw1ys3k 5 жыл бұрын
Actually it was the Iraqis who destroyed the Umayyads after almost 90 years of wars .
@ehsan_iq
@ehsan_iq 5 жыл бұрын
KaylDunnyan it was the mespotamian and Khorassani Arab legions that took down the Umayyads. they are mistakened as persians because the majority of the troops were the Arab Umayyad legions of the Khorassan province.
@ebparsa
@ebparsa 5 жыл бұрын
@@ehsan_iq I beg to differ. The soldiers were under the command of Abu Moslem_e Khorassani who was Persian and his soldiers were known as the Black-clothes that were recruited in Persia as Persians were extremely unhappy with the Ummayads' systematic discrimination and racism towards non-Arabs.
@ehsan_iq
@ehsan_iq 5 жыл бұрын
TonyBanderas the Umayyads were destroyed at the battle of the Zab. the General that destroyed them was Abdallah ibn Ali and then he and Abu Ja'far Abdallah Al-Mansur killed off the rest of the Umayyads when they took the rest of the Levant. abu muslim only freed the province of Khorasan, his activity was limited to the Khorasan region. even abu muslim Khorasani legions were predominately arab. "In the early 8th century the slave markets of Basra and Kufa were filled with captives from the campaigns of Qotayba b. Moslem in Central Asia. The ʿAbbasids brought workmen from Persia, as well as other places, for the building of Baghdad, and settled the army they had recruited in Khorasan there with their families. There were both Arabs and Persians in this army. but most of the Khorasani soldiers who brought the ʿAbbasids to power were Arabs." www.iranicaonline.org/articles/iraq-i-late-sasanid-early-islamic "majority Arab, for the standing army of the Muslims in Khurasan was overwhelmingly Arab, and the help of this army was essential to the success of any military effort.” books.google.iq/books?id=hvx9jq_2L3EC&pg=PA62&dq=umayyad+abbasid+non+muslim+support&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AaqOU-33NoKyyASR1oGoDw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=umayyad%20abbasid%20non%20muslim%20support&f=false
@ehsan_iq
@ehsan_iq 5 жыл бұрын
Rubaybah Thul-u'baybah ذوُل عُبيبةَ I agree that they were worse than the Umayyads and have made terrible decisions, which still effect the middle east till this day. But, saying that they weren’t Arab, or that they were brought to power by non-Arabs, is just blatantly false!.
@LionKing-ew9rm
@LionKing-ew9rm 5 жыл бұрын
In fact: The Abbasids were one of the strongest empires of the time, they modeled the Sassanids and succeeded to do great breakthroughs in terms of science, technology etc
@user-ui3pw1ys3k
@user-ui3pw1ys3k 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah i always compared them with the Sassanid Empire especially with their culture and even their capital Baghdad is the same Ctesiphon The Abbasids in their early era were the most powerful empire in the world even both Africa and Europe combined would get destroyed by them back then .
@ahmedsaeed6667
@ahmedsaeed6667 5 жыл бұрын
hahhhhh joker r u islam first grant women empowerment what none think about it in judaism and christianity daughter dont inherit with son they got nothing if son exist and the duty of maintenance of family rest upon man man and woman are not equal in all aspect but sometime woman are great sometime man r great man are given leadership in family what even today is accepted patriarchal society the women have maintenance from husband dower inheritance but man got inheritance from wife no maintenance or dower
@tr0ll535
@tr0ll535 3 жыл бұрын
@@ahmedsaeed6667 Now you're pushing it, piss off Achmed.
@Alexeiyeah
@Alexeiyeah 6 жыл бұрын
Still watching the episode, so I may develop more comentary as I go on. On the mamluks starting to be militarized by the State, it remembers me a lot about Rome. As Rome started to adopt more and more germanic and other groups of people, it seems the people on the italic peninsula became more and more vulnerable to attacks, especially if the Emperor did not care at all. It's fun to see how much some faults really spread on,basically, same problems.
@quitlife9279
@quitlife9279 Жыл бұрын
I think it is the nature of centralised authority and control, the demilitarisation of internal constituents in favour of more loyal(or at least having less conflict of interest) groups like the mamluks gives the central government greater power compared to the internal powers, achieving greater internal stability, but at the expense of actual defensibility against outside threats. Compare this to the opposite, if the central power allowed literally every local authority to build fortified castles and create militias, the entire territory would be much more impenetrable to any outside invasion, but at the cost of giving up centralised state power, as they are now much more susceptible to internal revolts that can't be easily defeated.
@caniblmolstr4503
@caniblmolstr4503 Жыл бұрын
@@quitlife9279 if you want an example of the second you can take Andalus or France. No hope of a centralised state in this cases So the Roman way of gradually militarizing the rums while demilitarizing the inner is the way to go. Just make sure that you don't give one military group too much power
@jacob_swaggerz
@jacob_swaggerz 2 жыл бұрын
I've been binge watching your lectures and they are amazing. Thanks so much for posting these and keep up the great and informative content.
@hendricusderuijter9671
@hendricusderuijter9671 5 жыл бұрын
can we confidently claim the fact to be that the ummayad empire was simply too gigantic for a previously isolated dynasty from the arabian peninsula to govern effectively?
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 5 жыл бұрын
To some extent, yes. I think that the biggest nail in the coffin was the sheer size and scope of the empire given the slow communications and travel of the period. Without a faster means of communication, there was limited accountability on the periphery.
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
I highly disagree.
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f explain then, please, so we can have a better understanding of the reasons for the fall, apart from the Mongols.
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
@rvtrcr My opinion, is that they managed to govern their lands effectively, and huge civil wars during Marwan's II was the reason of their fall.
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
@rvtrcr These civil war were between ummyyad emirs to take the throne. During the Caliphate Of Hisham, Mauwiah and Al Waleed I, it was an effective rule.
@shahranmahmood3366
@shahranmahmood3366 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Its great to see all pre Mongolic Islamic dynasties summarized in one place. And the information was very well organized and accurate too.
@WildBillCox13
@WildBillCox13 6 жыл бұрын
Good contextual presentation. Thanks for posting!
@rosicroix777
@rosicroix777 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, just found your channel & subscribed, i very much enjoy histories & your channel definately does break it down into manageable & relevant episodes. I'm looking forward to going through your previous videos each afternoon. TY & keep up the great work.
@babbar123
@babbar123 5 жыл бұрын
Al-Muttasim was not Al-Mamun's son, rather his brother. Correct it @11:47
@binkawy
@binkawy 4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation and session ! Thanks alot
@cudacularry2720
@cudacularry2720 6 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍 good explaination.
@mohammedsadiq6291
@mohammedsadiq6291 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful and thorough summary
@umairusman
@umairusman 4 жыл бұрын
like any historical commentary, this can be debated, but still an entertaining video
@zainulzainul1880
@zainulzainul1880 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot , sir . Your videos save me long hours of study .
@ambrosehusser3774
@ambrosehusser3774 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a in depth look at the Janissary. Perhaps following the life of a child until he goes to fight at Constantinople .
@area51xi
@area51xi 2 жыл бұрын
I watched this and was like wow this is amazing, it's like a history lecture given by a professor. Then I read the about section and realized it's a history lecture given by a professor.
@saladcaesar7716
@saladcaesar7716 5 жыл бұрын
Hello. I'm new on your channel. I think it's interesting and I want to learn more. Where can I find your source please ?
@naimulhaq9626
@naimulhaq9626 6 жыл бұрын
The great Abbasid Caliphate crumbled due to internal strife between the philosophy of the Muttazilaism and the orthodox view of the rebel Ibn Hambal and thus came the end of the scientific quest of the Muslims.
@erichusayn
@erichusayn 6 жыл бұрын
Cool video dude.
@rockingjump986
@rockingjump986 6 жыл бұрын
Iran became shia during the time of shah ismail in 1500s
@LionKing-ew9rm
@LionKing-ew9rm 5 жыл бұрын
rocking jump but it's roots go back to this time.
@ebparsa
@ebparsa 5 жыл бұрын
@@LionKing-ew9rm Not really. By the end of the Ummayad no more than 10% of the Iranian population had converted to Islam.
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 5 жыл бұрын
@@ebparsa Roots tend to be small at first, and then branch out.
@ebparsa
@ebparsa 5 жыл бұрын
@@fuzzydunlop7928 Iran becoming Shia was not the result of a social movement to be talking about roots. Iran's conversion to Shia was the result oppression and a state policy. It was a political move. Nothing more.
@mohd.hammad6459
@mohd.hammad6459 5 жыл бұрын
@Pasdar yes do enjoy peace, without slandering suni's you hypocrite. Long live Yavuz Sultan Selim ;)
@marker4461
@marker4461 Жыл бұрын
Hello! This is very helpful could you provide your sources?
@derrickbonsell
@derrickbonsell 6 жыл бұрын
Seems they lacked what Rome had at its peak: An Imperial ideology.
@dr.zoidberg8666
@dr.zoidberg8666 6 жыл бұрын
Yes -- if you're looking for militaristic expansionism, the Umayyad Caliphate would be more interesting to you. The Abbasids, in general, were more interested in scholarly pursuits, thus the atrophy of the gigantic empire they inherited from the Umayyads. It's not a perfect analogy by a long shot, but if it helps, you could think of the Umayyad mentality as more pragmatic & Roman, whereas the Abbasid mentality was more academic & Greek. Of course, that's also a huge generalization.
@wael4070
@wael4070 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty much yes
@didierdenice7456
@didierdenice7456 6 жыл бұрын
an "imperial ideology"... you mean like the "American dream" ?
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
@dinden waliyyu No, He does mean the control of the Mediterranean Sea under one rule, (look at the Mediterranean states at 300BC and tell me of the political variety) and not going to Northern or East Europe because there was no point in extending the «limites» like Alexander did. That is not imperialism but contention and having a plan and ideology. I hope you are able t comprehend it, for it's clear as water. Or if not, just read good books 😜
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 5 жыл бұрын
@@dr.zoidberg8666 Or, historically "Manifest Destiny" - I think people tend to forget that prior to the 20th century, much of the central-Western part of the continent would technically be 'foreign' in terms of foreign policy. Manifest Destiny was very-much a mindset, an ideology cemented in religious inheritance and propped up by economic and social considerations. America suffered for this in the 1860's but hardly learned its lesson.
@speedtribejp
@speedtribejp 4 жыл бұрын
Al Mamun is the guy who excavated a secret passage in the Great Pyramid of Giza
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
Good video, however the caliphate wasn't completely weakend after caliph al mutadid, his son caliph al muktafi managed to restore Egypt and levant back.
@tjp5817
@tjp5817 6 жыл бұрын
your the best thersites
@gabestrenk5471
@gabestrenk5471 2 жыл бұрын
what is your opinion on Gibbon, his historical method? do you recommend lay people/armchairs read him?
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 2 жыл бұрын
Gibbon was good for his time, but there really isn't much reason to read him today. There are other broad overviews of Roman history which do a better job of interpreting the sources and explaining Roman institutions.
@gabestrenk5471
@gabestrenk5471 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThersitestheHistorian cool. yeah that's the opinion of most historians today, just thought i'd check your thoughts. reason i brought up them up in this particular vid was because im reading vol 3 right now and he focuses on rise, spread, and fall of islam and their different dynasties.. as a prose junkie i find his writing style to be beautiful, but yeah i figured his methodology/discipline would be rudimentary by modern standards. thanks for all your content.
@h3egypt
@h3egypt 4 жыл бұрын
There is another reason hiding in the background i think you can call it a schism ... it started during Al ma'muon by the end all moatazilites have left the city or changed sect... look up ibn hanbal and Al ma'moun debate
@Clipgatherer
@Clipgatherer 2 жыл бұрын
The Mamluks (or Mamelukes) stayed on as _de facto_ rulers of Egypt until 1798, when Napoleon defeated them in the Battle of the Pyramids. Napoleon, strangely enough, kept a Mamluk as his personal servant.
@dr.mmaudi8194
@dr.mmaudi8194 2 жыл бұрын
It is a well known piece of history that Napoleon contemplated offering his service to the ottoman sublime porte.
@mint8648
@mint8648 Жыл бұрын
Mamluks were also in Iraq
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 5 жыл бұрын
Best learn from history
@nikhtose
@nikhtose 6 жыл бұрын
The Umayyads were also seriously weakened by their failure, twice, to take Constantinople after long, and bankrupting, sieges. This broke the spell of Islamic superiority and destiny of conquest, opening the door to revolt. Give the Byzantines some credit!
@rebelac4926
@rebelac4926 6 жыл бұрын
Secular reflecter The failed siege of Constantinople didn’t have that impact , the Khazarian empire thought that and they managed to destroy The Umayyad Army in the Caucasus and kill 40K from the Army and reached Mussil in Iraq, however they will be utterly defeated by Marawan ibn Muhamed who gathered an army of 100k and crushed them , their defeat was so crushing that the Khagan (King of Kings) would convert to Islam and beg for mercy to let him keep what had left of his Empire.
@nikhtose
@nikhtose 6 жыл бұрын
None of this relates to the question of the Islamic conquest of Europe, which was effectively prevented at Constantinople.
@rebelac4926
@rebelac4926 6 жыл бұрын
Secular reflecter nope , it will just make defending the empier easier.
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
@@rebelac4926 Don't forget maslma ibn abd al malik who killed the khazars king.
@rayz639
@rayz639 5 жыл бұрын
Rebel AC The second siege destroyed an army and fleet of 120,000 men
@malikshahzebabbasi4981
@malikshahzebabbasi4981 5 жыл бұрын
Abbasid empire one of the powerful Islamic empire and Abbasids promote Revolution of science and culture
@OkurkaBinLadin
@OkurkaBinLadin 3 жыл бұрын
How about watching the video, fanboi?
@chocolate6315
@chocolate6315 3 жыл бұрын
@@OkurkaBinLadin how about learn the truth..
@caniblmolstr4503
@caniblmolstr4503 Жыл бұрын
A little correction to your map. Messina that is the northernmost part of Sicily too was in the hands of the Abbasids or in reality Aghlabids How do I know it? I play Paradox games
@AbuLaith1963
@AbuLaith1963 Жыл бұрын
Yes there are Abbasids and indeed Ummayads. I have taught children from both families in Arabia in the past few decades. Now though, they are just middle class professionals.
@joebombero1
@joebombero1 Ай бұрын
Actually for several centuries the Turks kept the name Constantinople, as they wanted to be seen as the new Romans, not replacing or eliminating them.
@paulsmith5540
@paulsmith5540 5 жыл бұрын
Al-Mutasim was Harun's son, not grandson
@wael4070
@wael4070 6 жыл бұрын
Basically Abbasid Caliphate died as a political functional system after Harun Al Rashid died
@sageralanizi3457
@sageralanizi3457 5 жыл бұрын
i beg to differ. After Mutawakkil got killed
@mint8648
@mint8648 Жыл бұрын
Caliph Al Nazir
@soheil527
@soheil527 Жыл бұрын
@@sageralanizi3457 mamun was useless and empire started to fall from him
@Its-darkdead6
@Its-darkdead6 9 ай бұрын
​@@soheil527 Mamun was Baddass
@ozansimitciler5781
@ozansimitciler5781 Жыл бұрын
A small correction; iran didn't become majority shia with buyids, buyids' home regions, mazandaran and gilan became majority shia (they kinda were already shias even before probably). After Safavid dynasty most of iran became shia.
@sidjoosin6549
@sidjoosin6549 2 жыл бұрын
Dawla - state. Modern example Isis - dawla islamiya - literally state, not dynasty. For US folks - government
@globalviewstv896
@globalviewstv896 6 жыл бұрын
Abbasid era was golden age of Islam
@soheil527
@soheil527 Жыл бұрын
never ever. that would be ummayads in spain
@globalviewstv896
@globalviewstv896 Жыл бұрын
@@soheil527 lol
@thli8472
@thli8472 5 жыл бұрын
I have heard that the holy city used to be Petra, but that it was changed to Mekka by the Abbasids. What do you think?
@mohammedaljinabe1573
@mohammedaljinabe1573 5 жыл бұрын
i disagree
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
@PACKO Abdul KADIR Then you are a murted and not a muslim.
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
If this is true then why all the ummyyads caliphs used to pilgrimage in mecca?
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
@PACKO Abdul KADIR You idiot Realize that's these mosques were build in the 7th century? Meaning if a one or two or few people or mosques get the point wrong that doesn't mean anything, infidel, plus all the authentic hadiths say that the holy land is mecca.
@zainulzainul1880
@zainulzainul1880 5 жыл бұрын
Thomas Lindroth No . You are misinformed , sorry . I dont know where you got this theory from .
@abdelrahmanwael2551
@abdelrahmanwael2551 3 жыл бұрын
Iran was mostly sunni with the exception of the north west until the reign of the Safavids
@dgetzin
@dgetzin 9 ай бұрын
And if any of them were twice convicted of theft - it was “Mamaluk - NO HANDS!”
@charliebrown5755
@charliebrown5755 4 жыл бұрын
He is just all over the place
@dirremoire
@dirremoire 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the same as you. I really like this channel, but this video is a real mishmash.
@ima1sthumanonearth8
@ima1sthumanonearth8 Жыл бұрын
Albino u miss me Black stone
@paracovo
@paracovo 6 жыл бұрын
25:50 Isn't that the fall of Constantinople?
@dr.zoidberg8666
@dr.zoidberg8666 6 жыл бұрын
yes
@user-iv2dx9ps9y
@user-iv2dx9ps9y 6 жыл бұрын
no,it's the fall of baghdad dumbass,something that constantinople couldn't compare to.
@stofjes4204
@stofjes4204 5 жыл бұрын
i would love to organise the next crusade to constantinopel..who will join me?
@Nonamearisto
@Nonamearisto 5 жыл бұрын
@@user-iv2dx9ps9y Baghdad was never a match for Constantinople except for the years 1204 - 1258. Both cities were sacked within about 54 years of each other.
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
@@Nonamearisto More like constantinople was not a match for Baghdad after hurun al rasheed came to rule, they had knowledge from spain to india.
@sudipsharma7151
@sudipsharma7151 6 жыл бұрын
Thersites. Wasn't he a Greek God.
@Nonamearisto
@Nonamearisto 5 жыл бұрын
The early caliphates were never an empire, nor was there a single state stretching from Spain to India and Central Asia. In practice, the only areas firmly controlled by the Caliphs were, at most, from Syria and Iraq to Egypt and some of the surrounding areas (Jordan, parts of Western Iran, the Caucuses, parts of what is now Turkey, and bits of Saudi Arabia). Actual power was held by the local rulers.
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
Thats highly wrong, the ummyyad caliphate was from spain to india.
@Ravi9A
@Ravi9A 2 жыл бұрын
very true. It was essentially a Confederacy, like the Later mongol empire.
@Nonamearisto
@Nonamearisto 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f I know, but within that expanse of mostly empty desert, only the center of that space was actually controlled by the Caliph.
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nonamearisto With that logic, there isnt any long stretching empire in history, because usually the bigger an empire get the more local governors have independence.
@Nonamearisto
@Nonamearisto 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f Not really. Rome controlled Britain and Syria just as well as it ruled Italy and Greece. Your comment is only true in certain cases.
@hoots187
@hoots187 Жыл бұрын
Not having a pope certainty does not help with managing central control
@princekalender2154
@princekalender2154 3 жыл бұрын
Umayyad caliphate master race! No, really. It's political structure was stronger as it left power to a clear minority of Muslim Arabs. The Abbasids opened up a chaotic period were it was free-for-all and desintegrated political authority. Up until the Ottomans and Safavids, at least, the Muslim world was utter political chaos.
@mint8648
@mint8648 Жыл бұрын
Umayyads doomed to fall because of lack of diversity
@dgetzin
@dgetzin 9 ай бұрын
Why was France scared of the Caliph? Because Caliphate NINE!
@faisal7818
@faisal7818 5 жыл бұрын
Arabs caliphte ❤️
@donjon6244
@donjon6244 5 жыл бұрын
*Islamic caliphate.
@donjon6244
@donjon6244 5 жыл бұрын
@@faisal7818 Islamic caliphate!! don't forget plus Islam is not just a religion is a political force uniting people regardless of race and class under one banner and culture.
@user-eq2re6df4v
@user-eq2re6df4v 5 жыл бұрын
Don jon Islam is cancer
@lolo-om9rs
@lolo-om9rs 3 жыл бұрын
*Islam not arabs
@tr0ll535
@tr0ll535 3 жыл бұрын
@@donjon6244 Nah Islam brought the Arabs backward, they were way better and more tolerant as Nabateans.
@someone229
@someone229 5 жыл бұрын
Abbasid Caliphs : Abu Al-Abbas the blood shedder (Assaffah), Abu Ja'far the victorious (Al-Mansor), Aron the elder (Al-Rasheed) And the rest are useless
@user-dl5ln3wd6f
@user-dl5ln3wd6f 5 жыл бұрын
Caliph Al Mahdi was good too.
@TIWNGAF
@TIWNGAF 5 жыл бұрын
as-saffah only recently means bloodshedder, at his time it simply meant someone who spills (his wealth = someone who is generous)
@user-eq2re6df4v
@user-eq2re6df4v 5 жыл бұрын
Also al mamoon was great
@mint8648
@mint8648 Жыл бұрын
Al-Nasir
@sayedjaffarabbas3420
@sayedjaffarabbas3420 4 жыл бұрын
Abbsid were great
@AbuLaith1963
@AbuLaith1963 Жыл бұрын
Similarly, Sunni Islam continued to exist in Iran as a major force until the supremacy of the Safavid shahs who were overtly Shi'ite in the fifteenth to sixteenth centuries. A lot of notable Sunni scholars were Persian - Rumi and Al Ghazali amongst them.
@angrymonkeynoises
@angrymonkeynoises 23 күн бұрын
both zoroastrians
@pogo8050
@pogo8050 Жыл бұрын
The khwarazmians will never be remembered for anything other than getting owned by the mongols lol
@chucknorris202
@chucknorris202 2 жыл бұрын
The very IDEA of a slave soldier is INCREDIBLY stupid for the people intending to use them. I say that was the primary cause of the fall of Arab led Islamic states(outside of Arabia proper) and the rise of the turk and the berber states instead; but the Arabs REALLY blundered, and they themselves would pay DEARLY for it, but also all of their neighbors both allies and enemy alike(esp the East Roman Empire) was when they started enslaving and using Turk slave soldiers from their border areas and elsewhere. This isnt Game of Thrones, these guys ARENT Eunuchs; and they both hate you their arab overlord(and want to reverse your positions) but also have grand ambitions of their own as a people/tribe. Honestly it was a similar situation to the one where the idiot Muslim leader killed those Mongol Messengers because they were disrespectful and rude pieces of shit to the Lord of the City and Empire. You basically invited in these people to destroy you; directly so with the Turks(who also destroyed Byzantine Empire the final vestige of the glorious ancient Roman Empire; and capturing Constantinople wasnt enough for the Turks they also had to desecrate the city that had been the greatest city on Earth for a THOUSANDS YEARS(or close to it; perhaps even slightly over 1,000 years) by not just looting, murdering, enslaving, forced Conversions of Christians, "infidel taxes" and general persecution and bloodshed of ones who wouldnt convert, but they even tarnished the NAME of the city giving it some piece of shit name I refuse to say openly. That cities name is CONSTANTINOPLE and the Turks defiling the city will not change that or its former importance. Keep in mind that Constantinople is IN Europe itself; its on the side of the strait that is on European soil. And they then Enslaved basically all of the former Byzantine subjects and people who lived their whole lives, and so did their parents and grandparents long stretching back a thousand years(or far longer if we include the time period when the West and East had not yet Split, BEFORE the Tetrarchy for example), as Romans and as Christians with SOLE loyalty to Constantinople, to the East Roman Empire and to nobody else. Its why there were soooo many small scale revolts in greece and in the balkan states(who were pretty much in the same situation as Greece such as Serbia; and Bulgaria too and others), but because of Ottoman Turk deceit and bribery and treachery on the side of many of the rebels(many of whom were outright scoundrels fully willing to sell out their fellows for Turkish gold and a couple slave girls(or slave boys/catamites for the sicko's) the Turks were infamous for giving out) was why the Turks were not fully expelled from European soil until World War 1, even though by the mid 1700s or so they were rightfully called the sick man of Europe. They couldve been taken out handily too but the Western powers never forgot the East-West Schism and wanted to delay putting the Orthodox East back on its feet(how dumb and short sighted and harmful to themselves; the Turks were NOT their friends just cause of some schism between Christians) as long as possible it seems to me; and only deprived the Turks of their ill gotten gains when the Ottoman Empire was collapsing in on itself and was gonna die anyway, so they may as well carve it up before another Muslim power, or Russia, gets it all. Frankly they shouldnt have let enemies be based so near to Europe itself.... ESP with how far into Europe the Ottomans had gotten, how many nations they conquered and enslaved. It was possibly even worse than the Arab-Berber Muslim invasion of Spain which was pretty much identical in terms of the driving out or enslavement or murder of the local Christians, the widespread disaster it caused, the rapes and the mass murders and deportations(to slave galleys, where you werent expected to live longer than a couple years...if even that), or sold to some sick freak Turkish pervert bey. Like in the fictional movie Lawrence of Arabia, the Turkish pervert has his men torture lawrence then does something to him off screen that fucks him up in the head and makes him start hating the Turks. People dont like talking about how messed up and weird(esp from a Western European perspective...no, from a general EUROPEAN perspective not even necessarily Western) the Ottoman Empire was. But it should be discussed; something so evil should never exist again, and moreover, know thy enemy; someday the Greeks(or maybe the Russians) will take back Constantinople as is their birthright; I'll be rooting for them, whatever Eastern European Power that does it. It has NEVER sat well with me that the city SECOND in Importance in the history of the Roman Empire(second to Rome only) is in the hands of the enemy, moreover, a religious enemy that has many fanatics who want to blow themselves up and also blow up churches and PRICELESS Holy Relics and Art Christian art esp but Art just in general is seen as degenerate in Islam; its why they dont have those life-like Greek/Roman/Renaissance Statues in Islamic countries and never did, even though they PROB could have trained artisans to acquire the skills to make good lifelike statues. Theres some weirdo nonsense line in the quaran and Art and Statues in particular being Idols or some other dumbass rambling that makes no sense at all.
@TheMrmomo55
@TheMrmomo55 2 жыл бұрын
You should seek immediate psychological help.
@misosoup9616
@misosoup9616 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, you really hate The Ottoman huh? Or are you just Islamaphobic? The last section of your rant seems to indicate so.
@mint8648
@mint8648 Жыл бұрын
tldr?
@michaelpurdon7032
@michaelpurdon7032 Жыл бұрын
The victim complex here is so astounding it could be studied in Universities around the globe
@louisdeniau8571
@louisdeniau8571 10 ай бұрын
you are a religious idiot. cry me a river. christians have been killing massacring genociding christians forever
@shiblee0670
@shiblee0670 4 жыл бұрын
You are not neutral .
@abduldahirmohammed5234
@abduldahirmohammed5234 4 жыл бұрын
Umayyad and Abasid were arabs stop your history properganda
@chocolate6315
@chocolate6315 3 жыл бұрын
They were muslim first
@soheil527
@soheil527 Жыл бұрын
@Azzam 111 abbasids were never muslims. the were polytheist shias who dont believe in Quran an d worship Ali as Allah
@Its-darkdead6
@Its-darkdead6 9 ай бұрын
​​@@soheil527😂, Nice Joke
@jaif7327
@jaif7327 2 ай бұрын
@@chocolate6315 many umayyads werent muslim like Yazid I, yazid II, etc
@Zeezoro
@Zeezoro 4 жыл бұрын
Al-Muttasim was not Al-Mamun's son, rather his brother. Correct it @11:47
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