I can't believe at age 19/20 I wanted to lose my dignity and self respect by joining a frat; thank God I'm dumb and I ended up transferring a few years later as a more mature person

Stop hazing... NOW!

WTF is wrong with Penn State?

Those guys are guilty of being wicked and careless men.

That guy Kordell is a joke. How can you try to get someone help by discussing it with the people who got him into that mess? If you wanted to help, you call 911. He’s just trying to separate himself from what happened so he doesn’t look bad.

as a British person american frats are just plain odd in Britain we dont have anything like this at our Universities

Never join if there is a hazing ritual!

We have a current hazing case here in Philippines too. This sounds actually mild than what they did to the kid here where they tortured him to death. So sad.

I feel like I'm missing something big with that "friend" of Tim's who keeps going on all the shows and doing all the interviews where he keeps saying "I kept telling everyone that he needed help" and "I kept saying that we need to call 911", and "They just telling me to keep my mouth shut" and "They kept telling me I was overreacting"...He just keeps saying "I kept telling everyone we needed to call for help", like he thinks he actually did the right thing, lol...YOU HAD A CELLPHONE IN YOUR POCKET NO-DOUBT, SO WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL 911 YOURSELF? And even if this "friend" didn't have a cell phone with him (I bet everything I have that he did), why didn't you just walk out the door and go call 911? I know exactly where that Frat-House is, and it's a block away from a 24-hour Exxon Station in one direction, and 3-blocks away in the other direction from all of downtown State College!!! It's literally a 10-minute or less walk to Beaver Avenue from that Frat House, the heart of Downtown State College, with 30 bars that are open until 2:00 a.m. and on the corner of the same street (Allen St.) as a Sheetz that is open 24 hours...Not to mention it's located in a residential neighborhood of nothing but privately-owned homes (it's an off-campus Frat that is stuck right in the middle of one of the largest and oldest residential neighborhoods in State College, nowhere even near campus)...So there were dozens and dozens and dozens of houses you could have gone to and called 911....I don't get it dude, you were his "friend" and you obviously knew he needed an ambulance, but because all of your "Frat brothers" told you that you were overreacting and told you not to call for help, you just listened to them and let your "friend" lay there for 12 hours dying? What were you doing while he was dying, drinking? Watching the rest of the new Pledges drink themselves unconscious? Stop trying to act like you did the right thing in this situation buddy, because you're every bit as guilty as everyone else involved...Hell, you could have just dialed "911" on your cellphone while it was in your pocket and let it stay connected so that they could have traced your phone and sent an ambulance without anyone knowing you had made the call (even though that's the most ridiculous, cowardly thing you could have done except what you actually did, at least he would have survived)...I don't get this at all, going on every talk show and news program telling the world (including Tim's family and friends) that "I told them all that he needed help, I told them we should call 911"...You're as guilty as every other person involved in Tim Piazza's death (or murder) and you should have been charged right along with them...

These fraternity pledges are just pathetic. So low on self-esteem and so desperate to be accepted by a group of losers that they allow themselves to be abused so horrifically. What is wrong with these people??!

Kordell Davis is the one guy who should go to jail. The others were so wasted they didnt know what to do. That guy did and chose to do nothing..

A pervious judge dismissed the charges. Hmm

I don’t understand why hazing isn’t illegal yet, how many more lives have to be taken away just to be accepted into some stupid sorority.

Get rid of fraternities all together. Duh

CLOSE THESE FRATERNITY GROUPS AND BRING CRIMINAL CHARGES!

Penn State must have pretty low acceptance-requirements...

These guys should've gotten in so much more trouble. No one helped him after the fall and just carried on like nothing happened. Then they try and search their own remedies for severe injuries AND TRY AND COVER IT UP. Everyone involved with covering up and "erasing" evidence need prison time.

Why do people into Fraternity?.

The attorneys etc say that the fraternity brothers are not old enough to understand what was needed to save this young mans life is ridiculous, at 19+ they are men and should be treated like that. At 16 years of age I was in the military and was expected and required to be fit to carry out the duties of any type, first aid being one example, but even without training I knew that anyone, drunk or sober, who falls down stairs needs medical attention, it’s not rocket science, they perverted the course of justice after causing this young man to die, they knew what the consequences of their actions were and tried to cover it up, they need to be tried as adults and if/when found guilty spend a very very long time thinking about what they did.

When my fraternity had its hell night, the major part was a scavenger hunt. Alcohol was available, but no one forced anyone to drink anything.

None of the people charged, never saw the inside of a jail. Community service, fines, probation or house arrest. What a joke.

I thought you can't drink under the age of 21 in the US, right?

Kordel was probably the main one hurting him 🙄🙄

They have that one says we should call 911 but don't have the guts to do it don't let peer pressure overtake you

Jail all involved,fine university involved heavily, sending a strong message of zero tolerance.

It’s so sad if they didn’t let him walk away. If he didn’t know that much alcohol would kill him within that amount of time, that’s just insane to me. I don’t see why he couldn’t say no... I won’t lie. But I feel devastated for his family and I hope the boys involved realize how evil hazing is.

My condolences to the family. Perhaps an ethics course beyond orientation that targets common abuses should be required. "The root cause of wrongdoing is ignorance, and we must therefore hold fast to the tools of perception and knowledge. Good character must be taught." ~ Baha'i Faith

Utterly disgusting. It's murder end of

I'm not saying that the other frat member didn't yell and try to talk people into calling an ambulance but why did he not call one himself if he thought he needed help? I mean, I know there's a bit of group mentality that would be in play but still.

I have a relative who nearly died last year. Thank God some one of them got him to the hospital. Anyone who would do this to another person is not their brother or their friend.

Have some common sense frat boys! You're not indestructible.

The schools should also be held accountable otherwise this will continue. They need to experience financial distress and pay these families for their loss.

Wow. That's unfortunate. He was a good looking guy. I love his smile. He had a handsome smile.

Alcohol should be ban from hazing. It impairs judgement of even the smartest person.

Good. Throw them all in jail. This is unacceptable. Let them rot, so maybe the next class says it’s not worth the risk.

Sounds about white.

Just horrible, I can't believe that this happened and is continuing to still happen to this day. I hope that in the future no hazing will ever occur. There are countless deaths involved in hazing and please never blame the victim if they die or get hurt. U can literally die everyday by driving a car or eating or even smoking , doing everyday things in life so who are you to judge??? It wasn't his fault he died. And the people at that party I believe need to all be charged for his murder cuse that is what it was....simple as that.

I once asked if ever i get to join a frat, if instead of receiving a paddle to my thighs, that i will kick all of the asses i could kick (since i trained in muay thai and boxing before) and possibly get the paddle and paddle them back, just to show i am strong and not a wimp to take hits and humiliation--they didn't want me to join. What i don't get is why does this have to happen? Humiliation and hurting? Some of my friends who are frat members told me that "you share the pain with them and call them brother because you can relate to them" and personally i don't know why you have to get hurt intentionally and humiliated even just to be called a "brother". It's like the stanford prison experiment all over again if you ask me--people given power and people allowing the other to exercise that power over them and it builds that character of abuse and injury and shows what humans are capable of when corrupted by that power or "illusion of power" if ever.

It's really bad that I was like "really... from the BOIIII fraternity?"

All because they were trying to cover their own tracks....so instead of being there for him they left him to die.

They’ll all get lite sentences

Probation community service and a small fine! I live in state college and it feels like one of the largest daycares in the world. Entitled and spoiled children.

Terrible...

both of their kids are very good looking.. such a waste.. RIP

are they related to Mike piazza

What a bunch of scabs

How stupid who wants to be part of this, why dont they stop it, it is not smart , why why ?? They go to college to learn not for this, grow up people life is beautiful dont tourcher yourself and others, became humans respect yourself

Rip tim ♡

and yet 2020 things have never changed.

Why can’t people just kick it?

Oh no, not yet ANOTHER fraternity taking all the blame while the person actually responsible for CHOOSING to get involved in the fraternity isn't taking any of the blame 🤦‍♂️ Welcome to America where nobody is ever accountable for their OWN actions....

If they would’ve just gotten him help after the fall, maybe, he would’ve been alright. They were old enough to know better.

Can I pay my way to be taught

I'm Russian and it's so small amount of alcohol

"we have new evidence" / cut scene lol

Rich people problem

Not all frats are the same some of us actually have a brain and heart

hilliar can delete why cant these boys destroy hard drives

Don't blame the collage.....this is why today's world is so ass backwards..he made his own choices ..thank god I was a 70,s kid..today's kids would not cut it.

criminals...

Not all Fraternities are like this. Yes they do drink a lot but a lot are very responsible with the alcohol not all but a lot. It’s just unfortunate that these clowns did not do the right thing immediately. Don’t assume every fraternity is about partying and drinking.

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No you didn’t have any fills for him. You are a really bad person shame on you

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In all fairness, it depends on the fraternity and sorority. Each one has a different kind of personality. Hint: if the fraternity or sorority seems to be chock full of members who have lots of cocky confidence, are "Bud Heroes" (80s saying), "man with the plan", and have a lot of alpha male dominance traits; or the sorority has lots of girls who are "the brass lass" or "girl with the swirl", and can really light up a party, worried about image --- stay the hell away from them. They're a waste of money, time, and effort, and that at best. You'd do better to use your first year to discover *your own* authentic personalty and interests, independent of what any party crowd (Greek org or not). Your best bet is a commuter school lacking "school spirit" in a big city. That way, you'll have a lot of same-age social opportunities independent of the campus. Regardless, create your own definition of "cool" and "excitement" without reference to what the campus culture thinks.

Murder

Alcohol should be prohibited to students. If you get caught drinking as a student you're expelled.

Beta Males! 🤣🤣🤣

Hazing is funny .

So sorry for Piazza death. But, he chose to be a part of the group; he chose to attend the party of fun; he chose to drink; he chose to get so drunk. No one could have done much for his own choices;. Being vindictive and scapegoating feels good for now but it is not the solution.

Those parents are just trying to blame others for their inept parenting. Yes the boys were wrong but we have more important things in society to fight like rape and sexual assault

Is it really hazing though? Sounds like a tradition that the person voluntarily committed to. Probably should’ve gotten his tolerance up before hand i.e. drink everyday for a week or two straight.

none of them should be punished!

Hence why these cult fraternities make NO SENSE To home around. That one guy who “tried to help” didn’t even bother calling or even running out to get assistance and stayed and watched him beings dictated and POISINED all night.disgusting! What kind of group….forced loyalty to them in the most of heinous behavior.