Every time I'm reminded of how PS5s still don't exist in stores in my country my Jimmies get rustled. No comment of the video's topic, though.

Tire wear is uneven in GT7 it isn't linear. Though I can see how you think it's more linear than in AC:C and since there are ultimately no tire failures (punctures or worries of driving over curbs on worn tires) or on cold or hot tires, GT7's tire model will by default have the more simplified tire model... It's still pretty nuanced. You still have to worry about marbling and tire heat wearing your tires faster. The best lines offer lower resistance with smoother acceleration and deceleration, all help save your tires... there is also endurance racing in GT7, which makes this all more important than you let on. Ultimately, you came to the conclusion that I'd expect actual players of either or both games who have an objective mindset should. GT7's goal isn't to be the more hardcore sim it is still appealing to the masses and makes things more accessible to wider audiences by being difficult but not downright punishing, it's bad enough that you can still make a single mistake that ends your race. AC:C is more accurate because it holds no punches whatsoever, if you ignore your crew chief and drive on rumbles when they explicitly tell you your tire pressure is too low you're likely to pay for it with a puncture that can prevent you from even driving back to the pits, which can ruin a race weekend event. After playing both, I'm not getting the impression that GT7 is actually lacking in the physics department as in, I don't think GT7 coulding add in failures if they wanted to, it is made si that you respect driving in a precise way while also giving players enough leway to push way harder in GT7 than you would or could in real life because well, the car won't actually break down on you. If you want an unfiltered simulation experience, get AC:C. If you want racing with accurate racing physics without the ultra-punishing difficulty of the car being destroyed due to taking a single bad line through a corner, get GT7. I have both, and both have excellent driving physics. Aside: Oh, and AC:C is best played with a wheel & pedals in my experience while GT7 works great with either W/P or DS, though I agree that GT7's FFB doesn't feel right at least on the entry-level G29 wheel ($200 USD) and it feels significantly better in AC:C using the same wheel (even with AC:Cs default FFB settings). I play a lot of racing games, but I couldn't justify spending $500 or more for a better DD wheel from Fanatec or Thrustmaster.

Across the vast and majestic gulf of time and space, the jimmies rustle softly.

That's why I play gt7 too. Also, I love the variety of cars and ACC bores me with its lack of variety

GT7 graphics are just so good! I’m in the same boat.

@@Brooks726 absolutely absurd graphics. Best lighting in the business besides quake 2 RTX. The sound is really great too

@@HugoStiglitz88 I wish you could turn off/down the ridiculous glare off of the other cars

I play both GT7 when I want a quick race or for single player and ACC when I want a deeper sim experience.

Yeah, I would say Gran Turismo paved the way for games like Assetto Corsa, Project Cars and Forza, obviously. Right now, though, it's impossible for me to go back to those games after playing BeamNG.

@@billywashere6965 why?????

@@caliginousmoira8565 Because BeamNG is the only game that accurately models the entire vehicle's physics. For instance, if you rev up a V8 in neutral you actually see the whole frame shake from the pistons going to work (and in BeamNG, the pistons actually work). Every vehicle is accurately modeled for soft-deformation damage, so hitting a curb, bumping another vehicle, or sliding into a ditch all impact the vehicle based on accurately modeled physics from real life. It completely changes how you race. You can blow out a tire if you don't have the right tire sets on doing burnouts, or you can crack the driveline, or twist the axle if you push the car too hard. Basically there are a million different things to keep track of as you both push the car hard and pamper it to keep it from breaking down, overheating, or getting wrecked. It's the exact sort of sim I've always wanted. When you go back to Forza, Assetto or Gran Turismo, none of those factors apply. If you bump another car you get some minor damage and maybe with enough "damage" your vehicle will veer to the left or to the right, but none of it is as impactful or as detailed as BeamNG. Learning how to clutch properly, maintain revs, and also push for the pole position is a completely different experience in BeamNG.

@@billywashere6965 what should i buy? cuz gt7 is not in pc and forza is arcade game

@@clive0494 If you want structured campaigns/career modes to play through, then definitely Assetto Corsa. But if you want some individual challenges, and the most realistic physics, then definitely BeamNG (also, BeamNG is probably the only life-like vehicle sim that works really, really well with controllers, unlike Project Cars and Forza).

I tried gt7 with the vr2 and I did well enough but my stomach was about to do some flips. Lol. Your setup sounds amazing.

I gave ACC the ass because of wheel issues(t300rs)

@@TheKwod I got my t300 working pretty well after a lot of time, still not that happy with the force feedback though.

@@paulwhite6396 whatsv your settings?

@@scottd7222 First thing I changed was the wheel rotation to 1080. If you want all my settings, I can look and give you the exact setting I have them at on Playstation

What’s the strength of GT7?

R8 was a beast in gt sport

They drag their heels when it comes to fixing major stuff..is ffb still broken?

@Ertugrul Bae not sure since I don't use a wheel, however I do recall an update that mentioned fixes for ffb.

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@@Tracked350Z whats ffb? (never had a wheel)

So u prefer gt7 cuz it's easier....

@@shayzadgYes, and that’s a good thing. I’ve tried my best to understand setups in ACC but it’s so complicated that I find myself going back to GT7 just to have a more fun time actually racing. When you get the setup right in ACC it is an amazing game but sometimes I just need a break from it.

​@@shayzadgAcc has bad braking. Iracing,AC,Gt7,Etc is way more better at braking. I'm not saying it because it's easier I'm just saying it because it's more realistic because of my past experience. The game shouldn't be forcing you to Brake 100%.

@@crewsef fair

@@2MuchGT ah I heard iracing doesn’t implement abs breaking properly but it is the best with cars without abs

I missed out on 4 onwards and never had a wheel, but have everything i need to revisit the older gran turismos besides the games themselves. Thanks for the comment, im gonna go scour a few thrift stores for 4. The DFGT i found has held up very well!

BeamNG has got insanely authentic cars, feels like actually operating a car, in my opinion. AC1 is great too, but Beam feels alive:)

damn you gonna leave out forza motorsport like that

Forza is ARCADE!!!!!!

I would disagree, at least after recent updates, gt7 can feel unnatural in a way which doesn't make it more fun to drive. For example lifting in acc in a turn let's you carry speed. In gt it makes you oversteer uncontrollably compared to always keeping a tiny bit of throttle

Lol that guy

@Fahad A what wheel do you have and how do you have it set ? just curious

@@larryfoster423 I still don’t have a wheel (planning to buy Logitech DD wheel but they don’t ship to my country yet) But I tried ACC on a Sim Cube wheelbase before. It was powerful but I kept losing the car in sector 2 of Spa when I tried it. Maybe because I wasn’t accustomed to it yet.

That's just driving on the limit my guy

You mean like a real car if you are fast enough to push it to it's limit?

Acc makes you have to drive a car properly. Gt is just turn it hard and pin it.

GT7 is more like a controller friendly racing simulation game

This is the case for me. Got a ps5 last week.. i really love gt7! Simcade ftw!

@@DevZero9000 It is controller friendly. But you can use a driving wheel too. Set it to hard mode with no assist. It is like drive a real car, just different physics than ACC. You can only compare them if you play VR. Only VR allows you to judge which game is more realistic in terms of physics.

@@drade8942. It’s just a sim. GT7 has too much simulation to be a simCade.

​@robertt9342 there needs to be a teir between simcade and pure sim cause imo gt7 isn't a simcade but it's not a pure sim like acc or iracing

You mean what kids talking about?

@@markomarko3450 yeah gt7 was made to be used with a pad, it has a weird anti spin algorthim in it to help people not to spin. It is aimed at casuals and you can feel it. Feels cheap and of the 400 cars half feel the same

@@__The-Official-Real-Obama__ lol 😂

@@__The-Official-Real-Obama__ did you tried all 400 cars from GT7 in real life or you know from "proper PC sim" from 2008. 😂😂😂

Might be track IR or OpenTrack adding some tilt to his looking ahead, depends on where the camera is in relation to the tracker to get a good linear x rotation

@@jeppgogi3170 he doesn't use either as far as I'm aware. And I doubt it's somebody else's footage..

It's spot on to real life for me

GT7 will be fully playable in VR, it’s been confirmed!

@@juancarlosalonso5664 Also just read it. Even the Multiplayer 🤯

Me too!!! In fact, going back to GT7 it feels a little underwhelming in the force feedback department.

Definitely. They payed close attention to the haptic feedback for the ps5 controller but very little to the wheel feedback. The only DD wheel I can think of that replicates the rumble strips is the logitech one that has that added vibration.

Interesting. I’ve always liked the controller feedback. Which Logitech wheel added vibration? Or what would you recommend if I grabbed one for GT7?

That's just laziness. Almost any other race game does it.

@@Clarity-808 The Logitech DD G Pro wheel. It has some added vibration via its trueforce feedback. A shame since the GT DD pro, the supposed GT7 sponsored wheel can't do this so most rumble strips feel dead.

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i played several hours of GT7 on the Fanatec DD Pro and the thing that put me off completely was the lack of feeling (like anything, it was literally no information coming through) when i was cornering. As soon as i steered into a corner and was holding it going through the corner (no losing traction) the wheel was just heavy but with zero(!) information, just flat. I did not feel any road bumps, no tyreflex, nothing. It is super weird.

@AndreVD I feel you, I have a DD Pro, and I can't understand why ACC force feedback feels so much better than it does in GT7. It makes no sense being the official GT7 wheel.

@@ReptileMonitor i think thats not Fanatecs fault though, its the game. Making these kinds of physics that Kunos put into, how many? 15-20 cars over like 3-4 years? Thats not a feasible resource allocation for a brand like Gran Turismo with its hundreds of cars so they won't spend too much time refining the ffb for every car in tune with its code-physics...

@AndreVD Yeah, I don't think it's fanatec's fault. I keep hearing reviewers say the Logitech Pro Wheel has a much better feeling than anything else on GT7. That's confusing to me, and it can't just be the trueforce that makes it better than the DD Pro or other DD wheels.

@@th3orist Nah, it feels fine. Doesn't feel the best, but the information is there. Maybe mess around with your force feedback settings.

hopefully this weird behavior will be fixed with the next update. Aris has spoken about some of the changes they are making and they are looking promising. What a world to live in, each sim pushes each other to be better. And us simracers only profit from this!

I found out that ACC is basically a game that will be modified endlessly until its perfected. With GT7 you get what you get and it will never change.

Yes. The cars feel more planted to the road with more direct steering. ACC feels like driving on ice and hard to balance the steering on fast corners.

This is because ACC does FFB from calculating the cumulative forces within the suspension, tires and now chassis, and translates it through some transforms to what is translated to the wheel, i.e. what you feel is close to what you have in the real car. They were clear that this is what they do and will continue to do, without ever imagining or making it "stronger where it needs to be", FFB is stronger where it is stronger because there is more force being transferred through the steering column. I like AC a lot too, but it's a completely different FFB model, it may feel better or easier where things get accentuated a bit, but it is not real.

@@comradical yep I get what you’re saying I guess I just feel like I’m not getting the full potential from my wheelbase. If GT3 cars have PAS in real life then the steering would be quite light I suppose. It’s only frustrating because I have many driving games but ACC is the only one I want to actually play and take seriously and it just feels like I’m only getting about 50% of the potential of my wheelbase. It’s not that I want the wheel to be ripped out of my hands but when something serious happens in game like crash or even when you spin the car or have the back step out the wheel FFB should communicate that accordingly. Can I ask what setup and hardware you’re using and is it the same for you regarding the FFB? 👍

@@Lifeguruonafence So I don't have a DD base (yet), and am using a T300RS base, typically with an F1 wheel for open cockpit or GT racing. Thrustmaster wheel, Fanatec everything else, lol. I use CSL3 pedals with a load cell, 7 gear h pattern and analog hand brake for those rally or drifting sessions (let's face it, mostly drifting sessions) :) I can tell you that GT3 cars not only have PAS, #25 Mercedes-AMG GT3 drove N24 with a steer by wire system this year. I don't know how much playing around with the settings you have done, but you could be clipping and not getting the feel because of that. I think the first place to start to configure your settings would be to go over to coach Dave or driver 61 i think they both have good articles on FFB settings specific to ACC. I think if you haven't read that yet, googling ACC FFB setup guide would be a good start. Beyond that, as long as you are on PC, I have not tested it yet, but I did recently find out that iRFFB mod for iRacing (i really should install it for iR) was ported by someone to ACC, so there is ACCFFB, and I think the "seat of the pants" setting may be of help, I know what I am testing tomorrow, lol. Note: you might need to install hid hide with it, and it is alpha, so some (a lot of) testing may be required.

@@comradical The thing is that AC and ACC FFB code is pretty much the same based on what devs have said. Only difference is indeed the physics. And from my personal experience ACC feels much better and informative on a wheel than AC. I do have a DD wheel base of course, but what ACC offers through it is up there with the best. Way better than iRacing for example.

GT7 is made for the casual, always has and always will be, its target to the biggest market in gaming, the casual gamer. Its made for a pad.

AC very in comparison to ACC loosely approximates FFB, and enhances some aspects of it, and it's configurable, want more pronounced understeer, configure it, want more rumble strip feel, there you go. Where ACC derives FFB from the forces as they are calculated over the suspension, the geometry of which comes from the manufacturers, from tire load data which come from Pirelli, from suspension data, which, yeah, bump stops are broken, they are fixing them though, but suspension data comes from the car manufacturers and teams as well, then more recently there is very approximated rigid body mechanics for the chassis that also all adds into force vectors which not only define how the car handles at the end, but also what is felt through the wheel. So, from day 1 Kunos has said that they are not imagining or modifying, or putting in systems to let you modify any forces so what you feel is very close to what you feel in a real car as the result, and they want it to feel like the real car. One of the biggest places this comes out is over the curbs for example, taking a medium curb in a GT car in AC, you feel the punch of the curb, and while people criticize ACC at least at first, you would would barely actually feel the same curb in a real car, because the suspension works and does its job. ACC is far from perfect, but it is an attempt to get as close to reality, and a pretty good one at that.

Gt7 is ps5 exclusive but acc is multiplat

@@scottd7222 Thanks

"After a long break, I've been back in the sim world with GT7..." - GT7 is outside of the "sim world". Compared to ACC it has simplified physics. "Sim world" to me has the likes of ACC, rf2, AC1, rFactor2, R3E(maybe), iRacing, AMS1 and 2.

Except they al feel different

@@th3orist gt is the sim world and this is where it all started :). I played acc a lot. Now I back to gt (I play sim racing games since 1997) . With every update gt getting better and better. All things learnt in gt could be used in real life as also in acc and in other sim games. Also, what I learn from acc totaly fits to gt series too. Yes, the feeling a bit different, but I would not deffinetly say gt is better or acc is better. But as a game and all packege gt is way better and I think is best sim racing game.

@@laisvidasss as an overall package i agree GT7 is the better game, but its also an unfair comparison because both games try to achieve a different thing. ACC mostly is aimed at online racing with few different cars but super in depth about these particular cars. GT7 is aimed to be very casual friendly, offering a visually pleasing campaign, challenges, car collecting etc. but in the pure sense of driving one and the same car in both games to me ACC is better in terms of phyiscs, ffb and sound. of course somebody else can have a different opinion, thats all fine.

these cars arent death traps IRL

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That's exactly what I think as well. That's why alot of people say GT7 is simcade, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Personally, I enjoyed both. Doing stupid stuff in GT7 is funny. ACC is good when I want to get serious.

@@calvin12112000 And it's not even like GT7 is that arcade-y in the first place it's got some things but for the most part I'd say the cars I've driven irl have the same behaviors I noticed in GT7 so they're doing something right but somehow some way it's a chill game compared to other hardcore sims but definitely not unrealistic

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@@installgentoo8561 fellas is it childish to play a normal video game instead of the cutting edge of virtual motorsport simulation??

Esports setups are not realistic though and exploit physics

GT is a decent series but I do find that sims that punish you more for doing things you shouldn’t promote better multiplayer racing. I play GT 7 for single player racing but go elsewhere for multiplayer as sport mode can be a crapshoot for driving standards. Driving through changing conditions is amazing though and I did an hour long race in GT7 with time dialation turned up so I got day/ night with a storm thrown in about mid way through the race. It was awesome. I just wish GT was available on PC so I didn’t need a console to keep playing that series. Got a refurbished ps4 for GT Sport and GT7 and I’m definately not getting a ps5. To expensive to just play one franchise.

@@458DESTRO same reason why I'm not getting a ps5 but a PC eventually just too expensive to convince me to buy a console at that price tbh

the GT3 experience in ACC is far better and more engaging than AMS2.

I really don't get how people can enjoy driving in AMS2.

@@randomcallsign Happy you like it ! Cant wait for Gran-Turismo 7 release on PC 🙂

@@wernergolombick1553 really doubt it'll ever happen

@@neblolthecarnerd I wouldn't be so sure - there's been quite a number of of PS exclusives that have landed on PC - God of War, HZD, Days Gone, Spiderman plus the Miles Morales follow up. So don't count it out.

Yes

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It's does it's job best at with street cars on sport tyres when it comes to gt4 -gt3 cars the physics start to feel weird/unrealistic

@hiromiwu8885 i hope ur joking

your overcomplicating things. It comes down to, if you want simplicity from a sim, or a more realistic experience. Neither are as complicated as you seem to be making it in this comment. If you really think so, then you are either dumb or, just don't have enough experience to judge in the first place. Not trying to be an ass, but its just the truth.

Sounds great!

Pre 1.13 GT7 was ridiculously hard. Glad they made suspension model changes to make it more managable.