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I can't wait for the day when the Framework laptop is cheap!

I commented on the t480 video suggesting a complete upgrade of it and received a reply of "Unfortunately, I really can't justify spending that much money on a laptop for a video to FULLY upgrade it... but I do currently have a GTX 1650 hooked up to it", this was 2 months ago, this absolute legend basically spoiled this video to me 2 months early and I didn't even think about it until this came out, dude's amazing, wish ya the best aChair leg

Theres 2 problem why the performance sucks (excluding the pathethic cooling on T480 that doesn't have dGPU model heatsink on). First one is the thunderbolt 3 port on T480 is running at PCIe x2 gen 3 speed instead of standard x4 speed per Thunderbolt 3 spec. Second one is because youre using internal display for gaming, which further worsen the already limited PCIe tunneling bandwidth on T480 since the display output from the external GPU need to travel back via PCIe bus, and tunnel it down to integrated graphic on the CPU, instead of just outputting it via the HDMI/DisplayPort on the GTX 1650.

Dude i've been thinking for a while now ago about pairing my T480 with an egpu!! Egpus are soo underrated imo. I've seen many egpu adaptors on Amazon for less than 50$ whith good reviews. And if you used a 1660 or a 1660ti you'd easily see a 30% increase in performance. Anyway great video!

Btw few years back i was really invested for the upgradable laptop with the external GPU. It sounded so cool to be able to revive old laptop and make it gaming. But after seeing your video i think this is more of a gimmick more then a real thing that's why i saw almost no one doing something similar. Also if you use external GPU without a monitor you loose a lot of performance (the part i hate the most btw because you loose the entire reason why you doing that 😅).

Not sure if anybody brought this to your attention, but if you ran the egpu to a monitor, and NOT back through the thundbolt to internal monitor, you would get a MASSIVE jump in fps....

The work here is much appreciated! Very interesting to see how semi-customizable budget laptops can be upgraded!

That cat really looks like the best meow for the buck you couldve gotten,especially since how you perform is more important than the looks ;)

You can often eek out a little more performance from these laptop cpus by undervolting them (using e.g throttlestop) . Undervolting can allow them to boost a bit higher since they are severly power limited.

Early gang! I've been thinking about getting a t480 with an egpu like rtx 3060 or something. I've read if you connect an egpu to a monitor you can get even more fps.

That house that you show for like 5 secs and has the name Facade above it looks really cool

I feel your pain at not being able to get the highest end cat. I wanted the all white package but mine ended up with a few orange spots.

You should find a Thinkpad with an m.2 NVME slot if they exist, and get an pcie adapter to use an eGPU with. I believe it has more bandwidth than Thunderbolt if the m.2 slot is 4-lane

I have a T480 with an egpu and about all the common upgrades. I really like it and would still recommend in 2024. With the dual channel heatsink and a 1080ti egpu, I can run games like Fallout 4 on Ultra (consistent 60fps) while my temps stay really reasonable. Plus, 5tb of storage and 48gb of ram is really nice. Although, it's not like all these setups were budget friendly.

I dont have a T480, but you should have used throttlestop. On my x1 Tablet 3rd gen (8250U) it increases long term cpu clock by 30%, and seeing how the cpu in your benchmarks only runs at 75°C I see potential here. I have no idea if this would have changed anything, but by using the internal display the limited bus was stressed even further. in the case you have an outlet and a GPU, a monitor to hook to the egpu seems realistic to have as well.

Good to see a video from you again!

You could have gotten yourself a Lenovo Z40-70 and saved yourself a LOT of trouble. Bought mine for $76, and it handles a solid amount of games on Steam. On Windows 10, I’ve played Injustice, Sleeping Dogs, Ultra Street Fighter IV, and the Batman: Arkham games. The battery still holds a great charge, and to prevent overheating, I bought an affordable USB fan.

Thank you for doing this. I was considering something similar for my son (a light laptop for school, with an external GPU for home), but will give that idea a miss now.

So you got the right idea but where you're going wrong is playing on the laptop screen, you're loosing about 20% performance, hook up an external monitor to the EGPU and you will gain a significant boost.

Also, if you stiol want to penny pinch and get super jank. Get an amd radeon mi25 and run that in the egpu. You do need to flash the vbios to a wx9100, and need a fan to coop it, but it is a fun project and they arent very expensive. Top end vega.

If you look into this, i recommend just getting a legion 5. similar specs, same price, without the gpu throttling through the thunderbolt pci. it's also still lenovo.

And it was the TUF F15 or A15 I'm sure. (It was... right?)

The main advantage of ThinkPads and similar business laptops is that they've been designed to last for some time. While gaming laptops, even more expensive ones, seem to be designed to last for 2-3 years until the user buys a newer model.

Thinkboard works. I try to think, then I get bored.

I love your humour man, immediately made me subscribe.

Goddammit I love this channel

The Thinkpad X395 would be a great budget option. The Vega 10 iGPU is reasonably stout backed by 4 cores/8 threads and 16GB RAM. I came across one recently on Marketplace for $400 CAD.

As a person that played Metro 2033 at average fps of 4 back when it came out on my igpu dual core dell vostro, I dont really have much complaints in games anymore unelss it varies the framerate too much; but this is a great example what thunderbolt GPU works, but darn the cost for the GPU "box" is a bit too much

It's really interesting how in your setup, a desktop 1650 runs worse than an 860m in all workloads without exception

Great Video! Nice to see that it actually works. Love teh T480 :) thanks for your effort and insights

Got a p51 With an m2200m and a 1535 xeon. Not the best experience, but the cooling is great. Screen is great (4k) Keyboard is great. I have an MSI gs66 stealth, i7 10750 and rtx 3060 mobile. I hate that bloody thing, i wont even start, id rather Game on the p51. Gonna get a P15 g2-3 for my next Laptop in 3 years.

I see aChair Leg uploaded and I stop all things to watch

I've done something like this. Had an i5 with a 1650 Max Q and set up a fast fan that I sealed to the inlet and basically made a jet engine in the casing of my laptop. Didn't drop temps, but it did reduce throttling a ton, thing just blasted out heat regardless.

"old 2018 quadcore" ---> me with ancient 2012 i7 quadcore in my X230 :0

I have a T480 with an i5-8350u. I really recommend undervolting it, since it massively improve the performance of mine.

you should try to get a t530, slap an extreme edition i7, overclock (yes you can mod a t530 to support overclock) above 4.5ghz, add a gpu on it, and game. only suggestion would be getting either a model with dedicated gpu (that will be disabled) or upgrading the cooler to a regular one. the models with gpus have a better cooling solution that's needed for overclocking

I couldn't help but mention: u plugged TB3 cable into PD/psu port, did this work? Either way solid video! In my experience, eGPU really does need an external monitor to even approach desktop performance, especially on AMD gpus (which is all I have) so I'm kinda impressed that the 1650 did so well on built in display, hats off to nvidia Edit: ps: u nailed the precise use case for this; having a t480 already & wanting a boost As u may have noticed, I love the workflow of eGPU/thin portable laptop. Looking forward to more videos bud, keep em coming 👍

I chose the T580 for 190€ bc of the bigger screen and when it arrives I'll upgrade it with 4K 120Hz for ~100€ (needs nvidia-gpu for this, otherwise QHD 120Hz would be max) - but for entry-level gaming / workstation I'd choose the ThinkPad P50 with an GTX 950M mobile (M1000M), starting from just 190€. So no need for costy clunky egpu setup. should get ~140+ fps in BioShock @1080p low. My T580 for also 190€ luckily got the MX150 and it gets ~100 fps in Bioshock @1080p low. I will just upgrade the machine with 4K 120 Hz internal display (for office and work) and be happy. Also 14h+ battery life with 105wh battery while being cool&quiet. I'll attempt to change the built-in keboard with a 65% mechnical low profile wireless keybard aswell. the slimmer and lighter P53s with better stock FHD screen than P50/P51 and MX250 equivalent for ~250€ would be a solid choice aswell.

on minecraft, with the gtx 1650(or any newer nvidia card), you can use a mod called nvidium to take a lot of the strain of chunk loading off of the cpu, and on to the gpu, (which is not really needed much for minecraft of all things) for a MUCH smoother experience.

I really do have a bit of a soft spot for tinkering with old/budget hardware. (I haven't done much myself. Currently waiting for the delivery of a cheap ssd to pop into a Dell latitude 5500)

your uploads are always a very pleasant surprise. keep it like this and dont puke out a Video every few days like so many others. Also wich gpu do you think would go best with my t480s with the i7 8650u? which by the way i got after watching your t470 and t480 videos. ❤

I got a 3070 laptop for £400 a while ago, can't really beat that, been there done that with the egpu setup lol

Did you remember to install the emergency TB firmware patch to prevent the eeprom (?) from corrupting itself?

in all seriousness, I am watching this video on a Zenbook 14X oled from this year (I think), that i got refurbished for $1400 cad. thats abput double the price of the setup in the video, but its modern hardware and its... you know... an actual laptop... (and the screen is awesome). i don't mean to hate on the video, as a reeeeally frugal person myself i totally understand the urge to get used stuff vs buying new, and it was interesting to see what kind of experience I would have gotten, but it just does not seem worth the trouble.. here is my take: when it comes to laptop you either need a type-writer (get a used business laptop), you need something really portable (get a used macbook air) or you need something with actual performance (get a refurb/open box gaming laptop).

just bought a t480 based on your earlier video. it should be much better than my old t440p for my use.

I played fallout new vegas on a gtx 750ti with the express card e-gpu riser with my old x230 years ago, very based

Bro the issue is that your CPU isn't good enough, those kaby lake undervolted cpus are not for gaming. My thinkpad has a haswell cpu that's 4 years older and has a higher base clock.

Isn’t there heappppps of performance loss if you play it back on the laptops screen as opposed to using a monitor from the gpus port?? Would be good to see a comparison

have you tried using an external monitor to mitigate the 2 PCIe lane issue. i'm currious about the performance that would give.

What a adventure. Cool video!!

thx for uploading

just got a thinkpad e480 with an i7-8550U and RX550 for 180usd for light gaming and tinkering lol :)

Try all the benchmarks with external monitor?

If you have 500 to put on a "gaming laptop" then get a Steam Deck, it’s will be more powerful than any laptop at that price range

Buy a cheap used sfx or flex psu unit, they all come in 500 and 600w power now. It maybe a bit bulkier. But some double sideded tape and boom cheap powered egpu enclosed and you can run a 3060 or 4060 easy.

Love your channel

i am thinking that a potential bottleneck of this setup is using laptop's screen. you probably want try running the same tests on an eternal screen plugged into the gpu.

Steam deck destroy "budget" laptop - price+size+performance is really great

Still better than Vega 8

I dont quite understand the big performance gap, is the bottleneck from the cpu, the TH3P4 or the thunderbolt in general ?

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Would the fps be different if you were using an external monitor plugged into the gpu? That way the bandwidth doesn't need to be shared with up stream and downstream stuff?

I got a t470 and I game on it as it is with only 8gb of ram and it's not bad tbh

I've owned a Thinkpad X12 for over a year now and only just discovered some eGPU options in the BIOS. I knew it supposed USB4 and DP but now I'm curious to see how it handles this 3060 I've got lying around.

I thought it was going to be something more convoluted...an egpu, yeay! You have a thunderbolt 3 port, yeay!

I choked at "renderererer" 😂 btw I just got my p51 i7 78**hq. Having problems with stopcode memory management on win 10. I had to use a stick, double boot it and delete the win10 after. Maybe I shlould repaste thermal paste

I love your vids .please upload bit frequently if possible. Can you make vids on psp and also on smartphones. Btw do you still use pixel 4a , how it’s going?

Great video as always

by the way bulldozer fx wasn't bad - but it need fast ddr3 and nb tuning

why is video cropped

Thanks for the video!

Low key wanna see how this set up performs on competitive titles 🤔

Was that an Asus TUF FX505DT I saw? Thats my main computer right now haha

I run a Dell precision, cost me 360 and works great for some light gaming

Best channel ever.

i know i am 4 motnhs old - but i am myself thinking about building my own eGPU for my T14 (intel based thank god so tb port) and maybe pair it with like rx 6600

How much did this set up cost altogether?

bro please play with sodium and lithium its basically neccesary. with iris you can even run shaders

can anyone tell if all T480 have two batteries? or some models have only one (removable)? thanks

do i need power supply if i go for gtx3060

can u try on external monitor ?

Why should i not do this to my ThinkPad? It looks awesome! Mine is stationary anyway. Do you think it would be possible to do this with a Lenovo w540?

Bulldozer sucked. Piledriver was an improvement, but still sucked.

Why would u play outside, throw darts

Jank computers are so much more fun to work with

I hope i can play something in my future thinkpad t440p with geforce 730m inside 🤣 rlly like your video btw

You win the title of Jank Lord.

Now do it again but with Garuda Linux.

Rtx 4000 ada when?

Optifine is deprecated. Use Sodium/Lithium with Fabric, it is extremely straightforward to install and basically doubles performance. (There’s Embeddium for Forge but considering the complexity of Forge, there is no reason to use that unless you’re assembling a large modpack)

Hey you should try the p50 a bit old but still fairly good

"lightning"...

Why is your voice so attractive

Cool Video

why not compare this laptop with a steam deck?

Uh I thought thinkpad t480 would have better performanse in minecraft (with that settings), since I wanted replace my hp elitebook 2570p with it. Eh, at least its lighter

your cat is beautiful ;)

Is this actually a good solution??? Edit: impressed

So the question is. Does this laptop come with a 6 core 12 thread cpu option. Then you could get a a2000. Be I it as much as a budget gaming laptop and be no better off. 😂