I figured it was a common option, every thinkpad I've gotten has it

Lenovo did that with other Thinkpads too. Their tech specs claim that my X260 can only take 16GB of RAM, whilst in reality it will support 32GB.

Can confirm. Running 2x32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM with a 2TB NVMe PCIe Gen 3 SSD without any issues.

@@andrewwigglesworth3030 Also confirmed. I have an X270 and it took a 32GB stick without any issues. The only downside is that it runs in single-channel mode and some operations are slower than with 2 sticks running in dual-channel mode. Still such tiny beasts, the X200-series.

Love to hear it!

pfffft, you rich man. t530 with 3630q here. still strong (albeit MBO probably slightly bent under the CPU from 10x repastes since 2013, CPU idling at around 50c, lol). other than that, solid. except battery. changed twice. and palmrest once. and screen bezel also once. OTHER THAN THAT ITS GREAT, OK???

Bought L480 i5 8350 for 140€ today. Nice thing about it is that you can find opencore EFI files for it for that hackintosh Ventura experience without spending like 600-700€ for an M1 MacBook :)

$150? It's at least $300

I saw a t470 with an i7 processor. Wouldn't that be better than the i5?

I actually put that in my script to make sure you update it, but I guess I ended up cutting it for time. Really good point. I'm currently using a t14 with the same ryzen chip and it is a beast! I have the same battery life issues though, and the m1 looks better and better every time I see my battery run low at 2 pm

How has it performed with Photoshop and it's plugins with the i5 CPU? And do these screens have the full sRGB or Adobe RGB? Or will updating the screens with YOGA screens work on the T480?

Where did you get the extended battery? I cannot seem to find an original one for my t480

why not i7 instead of i5?

@@kgh22 the i7 ran a Lot hotter , battery life was worse. And performance difference was neglegable.

id love to see this with a cheap egph riser and a budget gpu

Twitter?

What would you recommend as a new purchase in 2023? Using a 2015 T440.

I didn't know the t480 had that issue, I took it apart maybe 5 or 6 times for filming without issue, though. You can never be too careful with those damn plastic clips. I had one get messed up on my t14.

Dont overlook the thunderbolt issue, it will burn out the chip. Update your firmware.

I had a hell of a time fixing this, until I booted Linux mint off usb and ran two short commands. Sorted it in two minutes, done, straight back into windows (to run some stuff I don't feel like using Linux for).

@@m__y-t-swhat are the commands that need to be run to fix the issue?

​@@enriquejpsa sudo fwupdmgr refresh sudo fwupdmgr update Use an Ubuntu 22.04 USB

or just get A485 whih is the same model but with amd cpus and no thunderbolt abd are free of this issues same as security issues that plague intel chips. Its integrated graphics are almodt as good as dedicated gpu from t480 let alone Intel's pathetic HD graphics.

What software do you use to undervolt it?

@@Piquliar throttle stop it usually is. under win11 u have to disable vbs first to get it working.

@@nonchecker I figured, thanks.

Haha, I wish that was the used market here! P52 is a beast

the price for them is the way different. more than $1000 as I found it

Thank you so much! Few problems I noticed from them personally, for storage, they only have m.2 slots, not sata. And the battery is integral instead of swappable, something I don’t appreciate from manufacturers. Any suggestion of other thinkpads would be appreciated.

Sweet! How's that MX150 for gaming? Is it worth the pretty large price increase?

​​@@aChairLegt's a bit faster than the integrated graphics. From my experience it's a tad slower than the gt 1030. I was able to get a stable 30 fps emulating breath of the wild in cemu. I also have tried Minecraft on both gpus, and while I don't remember the numbers, the mx150 did feel smoother than the uhd620 at 10 chunks, which is what I usually play at. I think the mx150 definitely benefits it more when you're plugged into the wall though. Edit: I got mine off ebay when a company was offloading a bunch of these with 32gb ram for about $300, so for me it was a great deal, but it seems the dgpu models are rarer so that's probably a rare price for em

Yep, rarity kills enthusiast models like that. Sounds like a pretty nice setup either way though

@@aratek8446 I run at 1080p with performance mods enabled and have my laptop plugged in when playing. There's a setting where it caches shaders, which I thought was enabled by default but I guess not in your circumstance, so at first the game is pretty unplayable but once you compile everything it's smooth sailing. I'm pretty sure there's places you can download the shaders precompiled, but I don't remember where. I also played with vulkan API instead of opengl.

i7 can get 64gb of ram as well from what the comments have told me

I heard that i7 t480 tend to have throttling issues. My t480 with i5 doesn't seem to throttle at all. It might be possible that on a laptop thermals are as important as raw CPU power.

The i7 is easily justified if you get the dGPU version, or upgrade the cooler from 1-heatpipe to a 2-heatpipe (dGPU) one. It's also highly recommended that you use a very good thermal pad for the VRM (you need very little of it) and apply Honeywell PTM7950 (non-SP) to the CPU and the dGPU (not to the PCH die near the CPU die itself, you only need to apply some thermal paste there). I get like 73C on the CPU at 25W with moderate fan speeds. Less so when using the CPU and iGPU or dGPU at the same time. Also, obviously you need to undervolt to -100mV or lower, that's essential for getting an all-core performance boost, which is what you want to have, since Kaby Lake Refresh is an aging architecture and 4 cores is the minimum amount of cores in 2024 to get a usable experience in any OS. And we obviously want to use the T480 for a long time, until it completely becomes unviable and useless with the ever more bloated software. Keep in mind that undervolting can only be done on BIOS version 1.26 or below, version 1.28 disables undervolting due to Plundervolt vulnerability, which basically never ever affects regular consumers. So enable BIOS downgrades in the BIOS. I recommend you simply use version 1.26, and also immediately upgrade the Thunderbolt firmware from version 14.0 to 20.0 and above (the latest is 23.0), if it still hadn't been done.

Unfortunately, I really can't justify spending that much money on a laptop for a video to FULLY upgrade it... but I do currently have a GTX 1650 hooked up to it

You should, simply due to the 4 cores that are also faster.

hi! any suggestions how to fix the screen brightness?

The panels are fairly cheap and easy to swap for a brighter one. I haven't done it myself but many people do.

Next to the looks and profit first and the planet and humans last, know what your buying into, a planned obsolescence product made with the cheapest labor that Foxxconn can provide and Apple doesn't give any regard to privacy either they collect your data and if your in China hand it all right to the government like the protestors that used imessage, Apple isn't worth hurting humans and the planet more, it's just benifiting a company that lost its way over a decade ago

Love to hear it!

It's been a while since I've used one, but I remember liking the x1 carbon series quite a bit. I'll most likely do a video on them in the future though

X1 overheats

I have been looking to framework Laptops, they are Pricer than non-repairable laptops, but the upgradability makes them cheaper if you want to upgrade a little when you get more spending money, but more laptop companies should make reparability and replacement easier for the end user, but companies are only focused on profitability not a loyal customer base it seems.

I've never bought a new laptop before, but I would happily get one to support Framework. Just a little out of my laptop budget haha

Yeah, my t14 gets really beatup and is still chugging along fine

Honestly, I'm fine with it being a relic of the past, I prefer just having the top ones. But the p50 and p51 still had them, so that's always an option for a while

To be honest, if it's going to be a proper editing workhorse, stepping up to a p50 or p51 wouldn't be a horrible idea. Just depends on how portable you want to be

@@aChairLeg Honestly it'd mostly be used for audio recording on the go than anything since I do most video stuff on my PC anyway. I only do really edit video in 720p but I shoot in 1080. I tried editing on the X260 and it's like when I used to edit on my i5 2400 before I upgraded my old PC to the i7 2600. I would loooove one of the Ryzen machines eventually but the lack in upgradability on newer Thinkpads puts me off of them. There was a T495 with a Ryzen CPU at the pawnshop and I did the research but... eh

In that case, I think you'll be fine with a T480. I ditched my T495 for a T14 pretty quickly, wasn't a big fan. Battery life sucked.

Can you share MacOS install details?

Brother, Can you tell me what gen is it? And how much I can expect from it? I'm looking to buy a good laptop for my uni purpose at low cost

Did you also upgrade the cooler to a dGPU version and apply a good thermal pad on the VRM and PTM7950 on the CPU/dGPU (not the PCH die)?

Strange, I didn't have that power issue on my t480. I did have a loose battery cable I had to mess with a little cause it was randomly powering off on me. I never use my laptops for more than two chrome tabs at once typically. I might need to change up my testing and add using it with a couple external displays using it more like a desktop to see how it handles being a desktop replacement. There's also the thunderbolt issue, but I believe I cut it out of the video for time sake

@@aChairLeg ah I do the old 9 chrome tabs then make a new desktop because those tabs were work related then a new 9 chrome tabs of shopping for some random thing I probably don't need but needing to research every aspect of it yk. I also did a TON of snes and PS1 emulation on it and it was great even plugged into my external tv. My first playthroughs of Chrono trigger and Castlevania SOTN were on that thing.

@@Thegak101 Another man of culture I see. I always have at least 20 tabs open on my main PC, most usually video related. I love how easy it is to emulate old consoles nowadays, even on slightly older hardware.

If it works for you, no point in going through the effort imo.

If I was going to alter the fan curve, I'd honestly make it more aggressive for better cooling. The fan was never really noticeable for me

@@aChairLeg Awesome. Can't wait for it to arrive so I can deck it out. I was actually so close to spending nearly $1800 on a new laptop for school. This video in my recommendeds saved me lmao. I had no idea this existed.

@@Camslaw- Love to hear it! You could buy 4 T480s and still have $1000 to spare haha. New laptops depreciate so hard it hurts my soul.

@@aChairLeg Oh wow, I'm in love with this laptop. The keyboard is amazing, i have the i7-8650u. I upgraded to 32 GB ram and 1TB SSD. My 72wh external battery is on the way. Thermals and fan noise is good. I'm considering upgrading the screen to this 400 nits one I found on reddit. It honestly doesn't even need a trackpad replacement but I may do that just for fun.

Yes, make sure you also undervolt and underclock (limit the TDP to around 18W instead of the clocks) for power efficiency. Being able to readily upgrade it to 64GB RAM is great, and so is being able to install two SSDs. The I/O is also very good, as the Thunderbolt port is USB 3.2 Gen2 (10Gbit) and can be used with high-end hubs that support 10Gbit, not to mention Thunderbolt itself.

Dell Precisions are amazing. I own a 5570, the performance is crazy.

I'm planning on getting myself a Precision soon hopefully. I had one for work recently and wanted to throw it at a wall weekly, so I kept pushing it off. I think it was just our software though, not the laptop.

@@aChairLeg If you know what model and the specs maybe I could help but if it really is your employers then there probably isn't much that can be done. I've noticed over the years business tend to go all in on the 15inch models while massively under cutting the specs for the 17inch models so maybe you've gotten one of the poverty spec models. On the high end these are beasts even when compared to gaming laptops and outlast the consumer crap by years.

pls help :))

You probably can do all these things with the exception of playing the sims. If you find a t480 with an nvidia mx150, you can probably play.

@@Joe-ko2kc unfortunately the one with the MX150 is a bit pricey for my budget. Can I still run Sims 4 in low or medium settings with the UHD GPU?

@@Joe-ko2kc oh, I actually found a T495 with the Ryzen 5 Pro 3500U and 2x8GB RAM with the similar price as the 32GB T480. Do you think it's a better choice for Sims 4?

​​@@RenKZfaq-ys9opT495 is slightly better for gayming, but if you simply give up playing (wasting your precious time and money on) kiddie games, you're going to have no problem getting a ThinkPad T480, which is going to be a lot better than the T490 or T495 due to upgradability and robustness. The i5-8250U is going to be a big step-up compared to the i3-6006U (absolute potato CPU), but if there's a ThinkPad with a CPU like the i5-8350U, then get that one, as you're going to need every clock you can get in a coupke years. The MX150 is an option for very active users that do heavy software development and stuff, because you can offload workloads like Zoom calls with blur filters and screen presentation as well as OBS recording, all at the same time, to the dGPU, while your iGPU works to output to 2 external monitors and the laptop screen and drive multiple browser windows (I use Vivaldi with my 3 screens, I split it into 4 windows). I don't game, but the MX150 has proven its worth to me due to how slow Intel UHD graphics are nowadays. If there was a Ryzen 5 3500U with Vega 8 iGPU, all of this could have been managed more easily, as the iGPU in Ryzen 5 3500U is not too far off from MX150 in performance. But it's always going to be better to have 2 GPUs instead of just one, which is why MX150 is almost essential for those that know that they're going to need all the power they can get from an aging laptop.

haha that used to drive me crazy, but I guess I've gotten used to it

1. Not all TP's have soldered RAM. I think it's only the -s models? 2. USB-C ThinkPad docks are

this does not remove any of the points i mentioned @@robkam643400

We don't know what the CPU on the T480 is. But $500 for a T480 with 24GB RAM and a 1TB SSD is too expensive. The i5-1135G7 is a nice upgrade, but also not worth it. I got my T480 for $300, with an i7-8550U and MX150 (dGPU cooler included) and having a dGPU helps out in extra demanding apps like Zoom with a couple external high resolution monitors. Undervolting support is also a very nice thing, as I could undervolt my CPU by -110mV on core, -105mV on cache and -50mV on iGPU. The only bad thing about the laptop is that it has a 1366x768 TN panel, which is awful in 2023 and the laptop requires a screen upgrade - so I am planning to upgrade to a 1080p IGZO panel later on, which would go great with the 72Wh battery that I ordered. The keyboard might also require replacing, because I want a backlit keyboard with even better soft touch keys - but it's already great as it is.

Damn that's a hell of a setup. Little pricey, but give it a few years and I'll be making a video on the new last real thinkpad haha

the X1E or P1 gen3 are nice, but i'd rather get the gen5, since it has the 16:10 screen AR, and the bezel are thinner as well.

Lol, it's x2 of 480 price