Not knowing Osha and Mae’s age makes me question what show you’re watching. They clearly said the fire was 16 years ago about a million times and they said Osha was old at age 8 when she started her training. Who knew this was an Easter egg?

Guys Mae and Osha are 24 years old what happened on Brendok was16 years ago when they where 8! 😂 there was nothing wrong with that scene

They said that it is 16 years after the events on Brendok. So Osha and Mae are at least in their mid 20’s

Credit needs to go to “The Stranger’s” ability to adapt to seduce others to the dark side. Mae was seduced by a masked man who went to great lengths to hide his identity. While with Osha he was naked in front of her the first day. Just shows how is isn’t a one trick pony to seduce others to the dark side.

Colton is DEAD WRONG about the Stranger. This is an amazing bad guy.

The dialog is suppose to make you feel like that. He's literally grooming her to the darkside

Getting expert opinion on a show with a guy who doesn’t know the character names is kinda crazy!

I had to laugh watching Osha's eyes venturing 'south' at least three times with naked Qimir standing in front of her.

Mae and Osha are 24. They're supposed to be 8 in episode 3 as kids which was 16 years ago

Slave Leia says sexy star wars already existed

Wait, so Princess Leia in a gold bikini was ok (who was 17 years younger than harrison ford) but Qimir is not? Can we not have something for the girls??

I gotta say…I think Mendoza is awesome as a villain here. He’s relatable sometimes but also scary in an understated way….like he doesn’t have to tell you how powerful he is…I think it’s great

One of the few times I find myself disagreeing with Colton. I really thought the physical seduction elements really worked well to reinforce what Qimir was saying to Osha. This is one of the best portrayals of the dark side in my opinion. Often the attempts to show a dark side villain come across a bit cartoon to me. I really like this series and I’m excited to see where it’s going.

I think the sexual tension is just about exploring another interpretation of/avenue towards “being seduced to the dark side” And in that respect, I think the sexual tension stuff is VERY interesting

I dont see a Vernestra being a sith. I think it is more likely that Qimir is her old padawan and she might have covered up her failure with Qimir and is afraid of it becoming exposed.

The bad guy and Sol have done a great acting job so far

Whoa, Sol was remarking on his envy of Osha and the droid's relationship not demonizing it

It’s so funny how flawed Colton’s take is. Speaks more to his issues. Ryan’s take is spot on, the other guy, not sure why he’s there hahah

Not often I disagree with Colton but I love Qimir as a villain, and absolutely love Manny Jacinto’s acting.

I mean did the actor guy even watch the episode? He wants all the answers in one episode. He knows it’s a series right? New flash, watch next week.

I really enjoy this more grounded and intimate (lol) look into the side of the Sith and other dark side users - in the same way that I really loved the way the Clone Wars dove into Darth Maul and his brother and Asajj Ventriss. “Humanizing” those stories is SO much more interesting to me than straight up evil genius villains like Sidious

Princess Leia has one skimpy outfit and everyone loves it! Two guys with their shirt off and everyone's freaking out?

I miss so much the days of television and 20-25 episode-long seasons 😢

I don't see any seduction or coercion here. The guy murdered half a dozen people in front of her and then told her why. Osha is an adult and is making a conscious decision. The idea that Osha wants a family or some kind of belonging doesn’t fit with her words. She says she wants a life of her own, not a new family. She seemed fine with the life she was living at the beginning of the show, in which she did a job and kept her days off private. I'm enjoying this show

22:10 really... First he gets prudish about the seductive angle they're playing, and now he's gonna act like Manny Jacinto isn't killing it as Qimir. The dude has chops. There's a lot about this show I haven't liked so far, but Manny is keeping my interest peaked enough to keep coming back each week. He played a great "fool" and then his reveal was pretty close to perfect. I get the feeling this joker talking smack is just dealing with way too many of his own insecurities.

I think Colton is uncomfortable he found Qimir too attractive, and was not ready for it. 😂

Appreciate you guys starting with the good, but not pulling your punches with the bad. It is possible to enjoy a show, or parts of it, and still be deeply critical of it.

Probably one my fav eps of the show. I really wish we had longer episodes though.

It's so unfortunate how many shows have to suffer because of this recent and ongoing trend to cut from both episode runtime and season length.

Scary to say but this show is so pleasing. It's satisfies me to know that the Jedi were not all good and perfect as they were portrayed to be.

For once I disagree with Colton. I really liked this episode and how it showed the seduction to the dark side. Ryan you were right! Osha is the one more prone to the dark side.

"Somehow, Jecki survived" 😂

I loved this episode. I appreciate that not everyone is either good or bad. There’s a lot of gray. Sol and Qimir are such unique characters in 5he Star Wars universe. I’m all in and can’t wait for the rest of the story.

Let’s put this in perspective, not all the movies, animated or live action Star Wars was a home run all the time. This show is just the same. It has great moments and sub par moments. I’m happy we are getting new stories to fill in the Skywalker universe

Colton has almost completely fallen to the dark side. I'm on the opposite side of his takes. I love the actors and the characters they play, the pacing kept you engaged, and the Sith Lord is awesome!

"Why can't Star Wars make hour long episodes?" Colton asking the real questions.

In Episode 3, I believe we learn that Osha and May are at least 8 years old at the time that their ceremony is interrupted by the arrival of the Jedi. In the latest episode, Sol says he has had "16 years to think of what he'd say [to May since that day]." So the twins are 8 + 16 = 24 years of age.

Wild theory, Qimir is Darth Ramage(Tenebrous master), who is also Imri(Vernestra's padawan). The HR is currently dealing with creatures that cut connection to the force. Ramage and Tenebrous were trying to create a Virus to cut the Jedi's connection to the force.

The show has been pretty DAMN GOOD overall, with several hiccups (like all SW before it) here and there. Dealing with fandom that expects perfection (and nothing less) has been terrible.

I really like the story. The dialogue and pacing could be better, but I am enjoying where the show is going. Anakin didn't need to be seduced by the dark side because he had already been seduced by his desire to save Padme. All Palpatine needed to tell Anakin was that he could help him save his wife. Anakin didn't need to hear anything more than that.

Dang, comparing this with breaking bad is pretty apples/oranges. The fictional history, budget, and push to innovate and do something different than what’s done before is so challenging vs. what breaking bad brought to the table. Too much unnecessary hating imo.

RIP Jecki

I respectfully disagree with Colton’s assessment. This was probably the best episode of the series so far anchored by the stellar performances by Qimir and Sol. Didn’t see the discomfort with the bath scene at all. The sensuality was perfectly exhibiting the seductiveness of the Dark Side.

Qimir is creepy but Palpatine grooming Anakin since childhood isn't?

Jar jar is the Sith Master

I like the pacing. It's tight and taut. They never quite give you enough. It keeps things mysterious

“Uncomfortable with naked man you are. Not firm in your sexuality? He, he…” says young Yoda to Colton…”accept his muscular frame, yours is not. Jealousy leads to the Dark Side “

Was a good episode 😂 I try to look at shows like novels. Some chapters are better than others. However all the chapters together will make the book. Great video

I really liked this episode. I liked the duality of the two Jedi and their approach with the twin.

I still like Sol at least. The actor’s own talents save him from the crappy dialogue.

Jeez, Coulton. Rip on anyone on the Internet saying that this series 'isn't Star Wars' (which I agree with you on) then proceed to go weird prude level and say the series 'isn't Star Wars'. The scene was new ground and ground that needs to be covered if Star Wars is to evolve, IMO. I can't say it was fantastic but it just was a seduction scene, which is totally sith. Again, weird prude stuff, sir. The current timeline is 16 years after the massacre, so the twins are mid 20's and these are clearly adults in an adult scene. Not consensual because there was a kidnapping but...Sith! Sexuality is great, and the more the merrier in Star Wars and outside of that galaxy. That's all. Appreciate your opinions, whether I agree or not.

I thought this episode was way better than Bridgerton and I love the little nod to smutty novels in the one more women centric show from the star wars universe. Its Also nice seeing a male asian lead that’s allowed to be sexy/ desirable (ok there’s Lan in the wheel of time show too). Usually asian men are assigned rolls where they’re the dorky side kick and almost never the heart throb.

Im starting to think Qimir is Imri, Vernestra's missing padawan in the HR

Episode 4. When Sol Vanestra to go she says “I fear Mae is only a small part of her masters plan. A plan that is difficult to see. (Stops making eye contact) Some sort of shift. Something to tip the scales.” This is what leads me to believe that earth plagues will be introduced. In the novel tenabrus had multiple acolytes. I hope that is what this show is building towards.

It's hilarious that subtle dark side user played a moron on the good place and is now a bad ass

Im glad the show looks at legends and adapts some things making them now cannon

I think the show establishes the fire happened when they were 8 and this is 16 years later, making them 24. 21:29

OSHA looked down at his personal light saber.

Here's my theory. The four Jedi Mae wants to kill are: 1. Indara 2. Torbin 3. Kelnacca 4. Vernestra Not Sol.

To quote the great film. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. The seduction to the darkside is supposed to be uncomfortable.

A thing that makes Sol's darkness grow I think is because he is now the SOL (LOL) survivor of 2 devastating events. The Brendok 4 Jedi all died, but him, and it started the entire story of Acolyte. And now he is the only Jedi survivor of the Khofar incident, where he watched his entire team of 7 jedi beeing killed by this rising new threat

Colton is on point insomuch as the Disney+ Marvel and Star Wars shows should be a full hour. But holy shit is he off base about the acting and dialogue. This episode both were firing on all cylinders.

Qimir is a space vampire that consume his acolyte, when they're ripe.. and, Sol is the father of twins , donate some of his midichlorian to the Space Witches.

9:34 I think some show critics are confused to think their role is only to provide negative feedback yet their income is depending on the creations that they think “not good”.

Since this is a mystery looking at it from different angles....I suspect someone will utter on the final episode the following famous line: “So what I told you is true....from a certain point of view.”

I think he’s doing everything to set up a battle between the two sisters. He rejected Mae and is now showing love to her sister. The entire power structure of the Empire was pitting people against each other. That came from Palpatine and ultimately from the Sith.

Qimir made me cross to the darkside and I wasn't even there! Poor Osha.🤣🤣

How is “I want to see more” a criticism?? 😂 This episode was AMAZING. Characters were doing 180deg turns vs last episode, highlighting the yin v yang of the entire series. It was a definitive episode

This show is not JUST about the Jedi’s hubris (this theme has been beaten to death) but more about the fluidity of morality and the force. The Jedi try to restrict how the force is used and understood. They force Jedi to be emotionless robots and not have attachments instead of teaching them how not to be subservient to their emotions and letting them control all of their decisions. And above all else, they want a monopoly on the force itself instead of seeing it as something open to everyone and their respective interpretations.

The Acolyte will connect us to the Sequel trilogy. Qimir may be an early Ren, if not the first

I do hate how the episodes are so short. After twenty minutes I start feeling like the screen will go to black and "Directed by" will pop up following every pregnant pause.

You couldn't take five seconds to Google the names of the actors and characters? Really?

I actually liked the parallel scenes cutting between Osha & Qimir and Mae and Sol. It's a common dramatic device used in many movies and TV series. An infamous example is the baptism scene of the Godfather, cutting between the pureness of a newborn being baptized and brought into the society of god, goodness and the church (we're talking ideals here), and the evil of (admittedly bad and fallen) people being cut down in cold blood. Of course that was all action while this was all dramatic exposition and mostly talk. But it still works, because in one of the narrative arcs a light side force user is trying to bring another force user who fell to the dark side back to the light side, while in the other arc a dark side force user is trying to bring a former Jedi to the dark side. It reminds of another time that SW did this, towards the end of TROTS, when a dying Padme is bringing new life into the world while the formerly good Anakin is transformed into the evil Darth Vader that we know best. It wasn't just talk. Something important was going on here that went on to figure importantly in the overall SW story, and we were able to witness it. Does Mae cross over to the light side? Does Osha fall to the dark side? What happens to Qimir, Sol, Vernestra and the Jedi? And how does this all lead to the reality and events of TPM?

Someone needs to give Colton a hug

We continue to hear Kylo Ren's theme because like Ben Solo, Qimir feels he was turned on by his master (Venestra).

‘I was a Jedi, a very long time ago….. in a galaxy far away’

I think when people complain about politics in Star Wars they are not talking about in Universe politics, but putting our political arguments into the Star Wars universe.

I think people read the scene with Qimir wrong. It wasn't sexual tension at all. He's just behaving so opposite of the jedi and he has made himself look completely vulnerable in that moment. Osha is trying to figure out what's going on. He even blatantly makes a comment about Jecki (who Osha did have a chemistry type moment with) and how their relationship would never be anything more because of the Jedi beliefs. That's how i perceived that whole exchange at least. The join me comment seemed me like a joke than suggestive.

I think we will find out that Vernestra lost a Padawan, and it was Qimir. She knows he's alive and trained Mae after seeing his style in Mae's action from the fight recording. She keeps saying, "...to tip the scales" which might reference something he said to her long ago.

Is that the first safety railing we've seen in Star Wars since the Ewok village?

I didn’t mind the slow down, but what happened on Brendok getting interrupted every time is getting only, annoying and is dragging on

We, as Star Wars fans, never held the Jedi accountable for their own destruction. We glorify them when they were actually indirectly responsible for the Empire. Imagine a Fire Chief who's own Firehouse burns to the ground. Would we as a society just pat this guy on the back saying good job? or grill him relentlessly on why his own fire department was not up to fire code. As a show, I was excited to see the beginning of maybe some Jedi who were Sith deniers, or playing the politic game too much. I am curious where they may take Vernestra's character. But hesitant that they break lore too much.

Sol deeply troubled expression is really making this show super interesting and good. I think if he isn't a good actor people would not care one bit. Like gets us thinking what really really went down for him to want to tear up and get angry and go behind the jedi higher ups back.

these guys manage to have insightfuly and entertaining discussions theorizing about things far more interesting than the show itself and manage to surpass the actual runtime of the episodes

“Im not batting 100 on predictions”😂😂

I believe Osha is a psychopath, you see the signs earlier in her youth.

1:08 I watched this episode with my wife and I had to laugh when she said ''Oh that's like a Star Wars Nicholas Sparks kind of scene there, and he's gonna be her new DARTH DADDY''.

The biggest issue for me is still pacing. I love the show for the most part, but it feels like going to the gym, doing your warm-up sets, doing your first working set then moving to the next exercise

I wasn’t crazy about how they drug out the mystery of what happened to the force witches.. but I enjoyed the rest of it. Definitely curious to know more about the strangers past n how the rest of the series plays out

Definitely a 16 year jump in one of the episodes, giving some specifics on age. I assumed the twins were late 20’s, early 30’s.

Two Comments. 1.The twins are in their 20s because the coming of age was 16 years ago, when they were probably at least 10 to 13 years old. 2. The actor who portrays Qmir triggered a John Wick (Keanu Reeves) vibe. I think he would make a good choice for a John Wick prequel.

the helmet design is definitely something to do with both the Knights of Ren but also Abeloth.

Colton, what you’re feeling is exactly what evil is MEANT to make you feel-gross. This is how manipulation works with young people (& yeah Osha & Mae are in their 20s; they constantly bring up the timeline my dude). And you feel gross because you know it’s awful & she’s buying into all of it. In that way, this episode was VERY effective.

to what colton was talking about around the 10 minute mark (the jedi being war criminals and soldiers by the time of the clone wars), the line from the opening crawl of revenge of the sith echoes through the entire discussion about this: "there are heroes on both sides. evil is everywhere."

Because I didn't get to the end, These dudes clearly do not know how women would be seduced to the dark side. Anakin wanted a father figure, Osha and Mae want to be loved and who would do that better than a hot dude? Not everything is for the hegemony.

A line that always bothered me from the prequels is when Obi-wan tells Anakin "They´re doing their job so we can do ours!" which basicly means they are dying so we can go forward. Always seemed of for a Jedi to not care at all for life.

Do yall not see the likeness in Qimir and Sauron? He's playing the Anatar play with everyone.

What did ou think of the episode?

"Something to tip the scales." It definitely sounds like Vernestra is recounting a memory. I wonder if the witch mother, before her death, told Sol that Osha and Mae themselves were "meant to tip the scales." It's something Vernestra had forgotten and discounted into now.

I don't think Vernestra is a Sith, but I do think that her intense secretiveness is going to be the downfall of the Jedi as an independent entity within the Republic. I also think she has secrets from before. I think she is quite aware that the Sith are still present and in hiding, and that she has kept that a secret for "The good of the Order". And I suspect she is personally familiar with either Qimir or Qimir's own master. I also wouldn't be surprised if she possesses a prophecy that indicates that exposure of the Jedis' dirty secrets will lead to their downfall, and her reaction has been to hold those secrets more closely.