Mr. Techmoan casually showing off his car collection at 10:23

EDITED...If there was sufficient interest in this video, I was planning on buying and testing out the follow up model...the WG2. However I no longer think there’s any point...see response.

A pity about the tilt problems, because the video go got from your motorcycle ride looks really dynamic with the bike moving and the camera keeping still. Especially the mode that keeps the camera level, that really conveys the lay of the land.

I hate to be the negative guy in the comments but I just wanted to say - I have the Feiyu G4 gimbal for GoPro; used it about 24 hours total, took it on holiday to get some snaps, the blocks that stop it completely spinning around failed and it wigged out and spun around til the wires inside snapped. I contacted Feiyu but all they said was that it was out of warranty and they wouldn't accept any responsibility for it. Pretty appalling customer service, if you ask me... I shan't be buying from them again.

That pink Rolls was HILARIOUS!

Another great review, it's incredible how much work and effort he puts in all of his videos.

As always another quality video. Really appreciate the effort you put in to editing each and every one of your videos. Superb

Some people automatically give a dislike if they don't like the product. I appreciate reviews of flawed products more because it's so nice to be warned against the mistake of buying them.

I have always been temped with a holiday cruise but never done it. Maybe I will give it a go, great review as always.

Thanks for the review. I hope you continue to review Gimbals and action cams. Obviously that gimbal has a few issues, but when it was working OK, I thought the footage looked quite good.

So, is that building at the end with the columns and fancy cars the Techmoan summer cottage?

I had the 2 axis wearable gimbal, it was fantastic, but it malfunctioned when I decided to mount it on my shotgun mount. The panning was beautifully stable, until I fired, and the recoil damaged the accelerometer. The little wire with the mini- USB cable is so you can power your GoPro from the gimbal batteries to extend shooting time. There's a plug-in remote control for them too to give smooth panning/tilt.

The tilting issue is bacause the SJ7 action cam is either too heavy or lighter than a Gopro which the gimbal was originally design for. To fix this you could balance back by using a coin , stick in on the other side to act as a weight (counterbalance).

I've had one of these and software update and following the factory recalibration procedure on their website improved the tilt issue

I like your end credits. Cool collection

wow that was really useful. i was interested in this gimbal but thanks to you i won't waste any money on it

that pink /purple car at the end was sweet

I've got the G5 gimbal, with the Yi 4k and it has been flawless. There was a slight tilt at first power up but I re-calibrated it and it has been perfect since. It's a different form factor from this one of course, so not a direct option for an alternative, but it has been very reliable.

I had some of those problems too with the Feiyu Mini 3D for Quadcopter. And i was able to solve some of them by using the Software, and adding some Weight.

This Wigan lad was happy to see his ancestral home, Haigh Hall in this video. 👍

Good video as usual mate. I think those shots were good for £130, 30 years ago camerman would have dreamed of a mini 4k with a gimbal like that. I think in a few years gimbals will improve even more.

That small cable is so you can charge your camera while using the gimbal. I just bought the Hohem HG5 Pro for my SJ6 Legend. It has that feature as well. It's awesome!

The sensor used in that type of gimbal is a six or nine axis mems chip, usually a combo of gyroscopes and accelerometer. It is usually located below the camera, in the cradle. The role of the accelerometer is to sense vertical direction (gravity) to be able to stand the camera upright, the role of the gyros is to sense angular accelerations and compensate for them (stabilisation) or "blend" them in a smooth motion (when holding the handle and turning the device to the left, the camera will follow, after a short delay needed to decide if it is a movement to follow or a perturbation to filter.) Problem is, every gyro suffers what's know as "random drift" where the values it's reading,well, drift, a bit,randomly, over time. The controller will interpret this drift as a perturbation (actually non existent) and compensate for it, the camera itself will then slowly drift, following the useless compensation computed by the controller. There is a need to zero the sensor regularly, either manually or by automatic algorithms. The cheaper the sensor, the more pronounced the random drift is. (It exists as well on gyros costings thousands, by the way). The sensor is also very sensitive to temperature changes, usually it translate into a drift always in the same direction (as opposed to random drift). I would suppose this is what's happening there. 4k filming, camera gets hot, sensor below also, and exhibit a repeatable drift always in the same direction. Easy to test: stand the device upright for a while with camera turned off, and check after a while if it still tilt always in the same direction, or stays where it was left. (Or possibly exhibit the normal random drift). Be aware that sometimes the board where the sensor is mounted may heat up by itself, and sometimes a second sensor is used as reference on the main controller board, which can also heat up even in static, especially if load is unbalanced. (Motors receive current to produce torque to hold everything steady, to mosfets on the board heat up), which would bias the test. This behaviour may explain different experiences by different users: various cameras leading to various level of unbalance and heating up from motors and boards, 4k filming or less computing power intensive modes resulting in less heat from camera, those things make a difference. Unbalanced load would normally have no influence on any kind of drift, beside via heat up of motors/boards/mechanic... Unbalance should only have impact on dynamic performance. (How heavy a shock can be and still being absorbed). (And yes, before anybody ask, I spent some time in recent years designing various stabilized systems for a living, although of much larger scale)

Its nice to see what appear to be 16340 type standard batteries on a product like this. That makes it easy to swap the batteries and charger for higher quality ones (e.g. a Keeppower L2).

I went on that ship last year, it was great!

I would love to see a review of the yi gimbal. As popular as the yi 4k and 4k+ cameras are seeing how their gimbal stacks up would be great.

Great review.

Waahhoo.....After very very Long Time we see some camera stuff review here - Once upon a time this channel was Encyclopedia of Dash Cam / Action cam review. Now Some Facts :- (1) SJ7 Star's touch screen is very fast, I know because I bought one recently - Absolutely nothing like this, maybe this one defective piece - Latest firmware flash may help not sure.... (2) Xiaomi Yi Gimbals can take my SJ7 Star as well Xiaomi 4k without any problem...No one side tilt issue....I think Yi Gimbal is better investment than Feiyu though there is no Accessories in the box though

Could you make a video about cd players like the sony cdp series and early players like that? Anything about the format in general just like the "Cassettes: Better than you don't remember" video.

The facing you gimbal mode is for mounting the gimbal upside down. Might have to reorient the video in post but some cameras have auto orientation built in.

I subscribed to your patreon page today, great channel with lots interesting stuff.

Feiyu Tech WG2 has fixed the problems.

I would keep a eye on it. They may fix it or in the next model might result into a better performance over all.

Great ride 🏍

It looks like the gimbal perfectly balanced, leaning over to one side before you power it up. It's probably setup to be balanced out of the box for a GoPro 3 or 4 and your camera has a slightly different weight distribution. Most gimbals come with a small set of lead weights to help balance different cameras and lenses for this reason (they are just like the self adhesive tyre balancing weights). If your gimbal is perfectly balanced it might help with the tilt issue.

I have (2) sj7 star cameras I was using on the motorcycles. He touch screen responds better to quick light taps rather than a full finger touch. Takes a few tries to learn how to do it correctly.hopefully they will fix the tap response in an update.

I attended to use a osmo on the bike for my videos and it did the the same sort of thing but worse it ended up sideways after a few corners every time.

Be careful to not turn on the gymble without a camera in it. Ive seen reviews showing the gymble going nuts and it will damage wires inside of the unit.

Suggest you try Zhyiun Smooth Q. It is primarily for smatphones up to 220g but it can easily accomodate any action cam (you cannot operate the touch screen but that is not a big problem on action cams due to wide angle), you might only need a rubber band to secure the action cam. The only disadvantage is you cannot mount in on a bike, it needs to be hand held, but it is great value for money (Im not being paid to say so just really like the product.

i just love techmoan, i always hit thumbs up because even tho i cant help him with actual financial contributions, i love what he does and want to make sure he can keep living off these wonderful passions he has.

good description nice video

I like it when you review cameras :-)

Was some of this footage taken at Haigh Hall Park? Looks remarkably familiar. Beautiful place. There were two Morris 1000's there when i went, looks like you saw some nice cars too.

KZfaq pays you well . Love your new house and fancy cars.

The tilt problem is because people don't calibrate it properly. A bike leans to one side and the handlebars also have an angle to them (I also ride). So when riding with the gimbal, it is not properly calibrated when done on the bike because the mounting point is angled. The camera stays level with the BASE, not the horizon. So whatever angle your base is at, the gimbal will slowly correct for that angle. Same goes for handheld mode. I've used this for 20-50 mins at a time and never had this tilting issue. Hope that helps.

Another interesting video thanks for sharing. Hope we going to get some more puppets action. Those guys crack me up. Thanks

Alicante, I remember that hill climb very well!

You need to get the ziyhun smooth q pretty good but it's a bit big for the motorcycle.

I have recently bought a mini camera stabiliser called a 'SMOOVIE', & for around £20, it's brilliant! although it takes a bit of practice, & a delicate touch, but needs no batteries.

haha that silver wrap did look a bit suspicious. Great review, need something for my MTB vids. Looks like I'll need to upgrade my Gopro for it to fit so I'm considering the Hero 6 they say the stabilsation is very good.

I think the tilting is the result of the sensor(s) being ever so slightly off! Be it only by 0.0002 mm, but the cam centers itself all the time based on this little issue and doing that for a long time, results in the error stacking up more and more. The weight of the cam can also be an issue and all that adds up to it being tilted after a while!

So glad I decided against the version when i bought mine last year 😀

9:24 It's Alicante, the best world city hahaha. My city, I used to go up to this stairs almost every week, or downhill with my bike, but now with the lockdown I only go up sometimes...

I use an HD1080P Qumox(aka SJ4000) in mine and have not noticed any rolling issues.

I've been working with gimbal for 3 or 4 years (google stubilizer). The issue with the Feiyu tech ones is that the yaw support is abysmal for helmet mounting - the software does not let it be reduced to a slow enough degrees/sec to actually avoid the constant side to side hunting you get when helmet mounting. Also no dead band which makes it again, useless for helmet mounting. For something like bike or motorbike mounting it's fine - but as it's a 'wearable gimbal' the general point is for it to be wearable - imho it's useless for that. The only one I've found that actually allows (via pc software) to reduce the degrees/sec enough, and increase the deadband enough to work as good as my stubilizer failed kickstarter does (still use the prototypes for my paramotor flying all the time but it's got a bit worse for wear over the last 3 years ) is the Zhiyun Rider M I got a few weeks back. It is more expensive than the feiyu tech - but it works rather than being a door stop which is all my feiyu tech is useful for as its bog all use on a helmet. Worth checking out. My advice is - for 'wearable' gimbals stay away from feiyu tech - they are not up to the job. And I've a house full of different models. So far the ONLY one that I've found that cuts the mustard at least almost as good as my own design is the Rider M. See my channel if you want example footage - posted one yesterday for example: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eruloptzxsWvaKc.html. Also, in camera stabilisation - optical or digital is not trying to do the same thing as a gimbal. A gimbal does far far more than any camera stabilisation does - especially when helmet mounted. imagine I am looking at my feet - the gimbal still ensures the camera is horizontal and shooting staight. not camera stabilisation can do that all all - bar a 360 camera - but the quality there for cropped shots is terrible even for 1080p crops.

Could that touchscreen on the Star be more sensitive with a fingernail? I've come across some touchscreens where that is the case...

This is the old model feiyu tech WG released about 2 years ago. The new model the Feiyu Tech WG2 (waterproof) is out now.

3 fancy cars there mate

I think the tilting problem is being caused by the center of gravity being off, you could test it by putting something like a ruler in place of the camera and see if it stays level.(then put it off center and see what happens) The internal gyro is reacting to changes in movement / direction and not absolute position.

Off to Haigh Hall!

I have the Feiyu Tech G4 gimbal for use with my Gopro 4. 2 years of use and I can't recommend it high enough. I'm surprised this WG model seems below par.

You have a motorbike! Cool! Hope you make a video about your motorbike~

A thought that entered my head. "He's driving on the wrong side of the roa...oh, right"

I've had the same problem with some devices not detecting my touch. I found out recently that I have a couple genetic mutations that effects the way my body processes cholesterol and bloodflow to my finger tips. On another video someone mentioned taking B12 vitamins. A large portion of the body's ability to create cholesterol is via the bile acid, which is produced by the liver. B vitamins are responsible for liver health, and I suspect the dryness of your skin (also a cholesterol related problem) was what lead them to make that comment. Your hands look just like mine. It took a few months of a bit of a diet change, but my finger skin and bloodflow has increased and it seemed to help with the dry/flakiness of the finger tips. I no longer have issues with touch screens or fingertip coldness. I might recommend getting a gene test for MS; immune issues are common among Europeans, and cholesterol processing plays a role in the brain as well.

I think the 3rd mode is if you mount it upside down.

Hey, are you still riding your NC700x? I ride one over here in California. I dig all your videos.

I looked at the same gimbal to put on a selfie stick and also put in the car, I'm glad I didn't now. :) I did buy a Neewer NW3D2 and sent it straight back because it was rubbish, in the end I opted for a Zhiyun Z1- Evolution, and it's been great, it can power itself AND camera for upto 12 hours. Incidentally I use a Sjcam SJ6 legend, can't fault it but this is the third one I bought because the first 2 didn't work properly, one had a very noticeable dead pixel and one had a messed up LCD screen.

Will you be testing the Activeon CX Gold. I've been told it's very good for the money.

Didn't realise you were as local as you are, unless that is you were moonlighting at Haigh Hall.😁

Could do a video on transferring my vhs to my laptop please am clueless

Please review a DJI Gimbal if you plan to do more gimbal reviews. Awesome channel.

The funny thing is; ALl these gimbals are doing is simulating that there's a big heavy weight hung on the bottom of the gopro. Try it out, just put a bit of wire on the tripod mount, screw it into a gopro, and tie the other end to your foot. Cradle the gopro with one hand from the top, lens peeking between your middle and index finger. Now pull the wire tight, and voila, image stabilisation. The tech is pretty neat though, but for an absolute "skate proof" product, you can't go wrong with a bit of paracord and an m8 screw.

I reviewed this over a year ago, (version 2 is out now) :D fun to see techmoans take on it though. (got some hectic mountain bike footage on my review if anyone wants to see it under some more strain.)

The tilting on the stabilizer might just be that the camera is just a tad heavy on one side and the motors don't have much power to constantly keep it leveled. I've run into this problem on cheaper 3 axis stabilizer for dslrs and some go pro one's.

Try to update the firmware using USB in the SJCam.... Maybe it will fix the touchscreen issue... Or try to calibrate touchscreen from settings...

Do you think there is any scope to modify or change the camera mount to fit another make such as a Sena Prism / Tube? Speaking of which, the supplied slide mount looks very like a Sena.

I really want to see someone rig up a harness for a dog and mount one of these on there... Would make a really nice video with gimbal stabilisation

That's so cheeky with the tin foil. Many of those couriers they use (including Hong Kong Post) does not allow lithium batteries to be posted by air, I suppose that's to prevent x-ray from identifying the li-ion batteries

These gimbals are extremely popular with mountain bikers, and they work very well for them. The reason yours is tilting is probably because it's made for a gopro, and the weight is different of your cam. Check out channels like BKXC or Seth's bike hacks, they really show what these cheap gimbals can do

I have another model from Feiyu Tech for 2 or 3 years. It is ok for a motorcycle but you need to mount it on your chest or helmet. And you can fix this tilt issue. First of all you need to balance gimbal with your camera to keep it strait with power off. In my case I have to slide my gopro out of the gimbal(about 5mm). After this you need a small photography level (like this: digital-photography-school.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMAG0205.jpg). So you can put this level on the camera and use Feiyu software from the official site and fix this tilt. Yes, it's getting worse when you using gimbal for a long time, but it is much better if it was balanced and tuned from the beginning.

I used to own a Pilotfly Action-1. Although much more expensive, the quality of stabilizer was much better. I guess with these products you really do get what you pay for.

When you switch the gimbal off, it tilts to the side like it's not balanced. That tells me you might improve the tilting issue by adding a counterweight to balance it.

Tinfoil around batteries is asking for it! Even though they were wrapped in plastic. I'd love a SJ Star only got a SJ5000 WiFi! Much love

Mount this on a SoloShot, could make for a fun experiment. I think people are expecting way too much out of this if being used in sports, it seems more appropriate to walking speed.

I hope you get the Sj 7 star fixed , maybe you can start a RMA ?

The inverted mode would be for undermounted modes like a drone.

I'm not sure, but the SJ7's touchscreen looks like a resistive touch screen. Resistive touch screens really only work reliably with the tip of a fingernail or with a stylus.

hey you are still riding Honda nc700x, I'm slowly leaning towards buying that bike too.

Good God the fisheye on that camera renders it almost unwatchable. love the review as always.

one missing with this gimbal is a vertical stabilization. The shot still go up and down as you walk.

Nice!

What not to buy. Wonder how to reduce that vibration though.

In regards to the tin foil: You can see in the other shots that the batteries are shrink wrapped in plastic, so there wouldn't be a contact issue.

I want to buy a gear 360 camera and mount it on one of these, then put it on a stick on my backpack as I walk around. You think that would work nicely?

4:38 do all parking lines in the UK have those little T's at the end like that?

Who the hell puts batteries in TIN FOIL how stupid is that????

Another fenomenal video, #techmoan. What action cam do you recommend at a maximum of 30 to 40 euros? With 4k at 30fps, preferably.

you fix jittering by using jell pads between the bike and the camera

Have you found any alternatives that don't suffer from that tilting issue?

Few years from now the mobile phone cam may have a built-in nano gimbal into it like a compass.