I don’t think it was out of spite, I think it was more fear of what the repercussions were. I mean winter switch sides cuz he thought it was suicide to fight against humans.

​@@jackashmoreStill it was a nonsensical plothole thatcthey dudes With humans

Is that supposed to be the original first Caesar or an offspring Caesar?

​@@bauloprete3905Its not a plothole. They could still hate humans, gorilla Donkey clearly did not enjoy them at all, BUT, he must have though it was best than be anhiliated and choose the "lesser evil"

Caesar said it best, that Koba only saw the bad side of humans and not the good!! While Caesar saw both sides of humanity!!

And don’t get me started on why they needed a soldier with a crossbow in modern warfare when a sniper rifle with a silencer would’ve done the same thing taking out that ape…..

​@@killbot86silencers don't work in reality like they do on movies. In reality they don't do shit bassicly.

@@engineerenginering8633 I'm more talking about the practicality of a soldier using a crossbow while everyone (apes included) had automatic rifles.....Why bother with a crossbow when all you are gonna do is fire grenade launchers a second after the first ape was killed......

@@engineerenginering8633 Well not really my point…Silencer or not, a sniper would’ve been able to do the job…..

​@@killbot86 even with a silencer, guns are fucking loud lol.

Yeah, I watched this movie and loved it. I just never understood why Koba loyalists would dare become subservient "Donkeys" to the very species Koba despised just to spite Caesar. Yeah, that's ironic.

@@vjenkins6815 it’s understandable. They sided with Koba because Humans gone= SAFTEY. But with Koba dead, the only way to now be SAFE from the one who killed their “leader”(Cesar) is by siding with humans so now NO Cesar = SAFETY….for now. It was never about ideals for those apes, it was about having an easier life.

​@@vjenkins6815 Caesar said it himself, they fear more what he'll do to them than the humans. They'd rather live and be a donkey, than risk the wrath that is Caesar's ooga booga stomp.

@officialcurtis That's the thing. Caesar didn't believe in apes killing apes. And he lived by his word UNTIL you brought violence to his doorstep. So, honestly, they were safer w. Caesar than they'd ever be with humans. If they minded territorial boundaries. But I guess they were of the philosophy, "he that is the enemy of my enemy is my friend." And that ultimately fcked them in the end. No pun intended.

@@vjenkins6815 I absolutely agree that is Caesar's main philosophy, however, I think those apes seeing him kill Koba anyway still made a bit of a mental mark hahaha

Am I the only one that think the CGI in this movie is much better than the new one?

@@hdbuckets8154I can’t speak for everyone but I agree

Apes don't live as long as humans too so there's that

​@@thatoneantoid51Yeah but the average chimpanzee lifespan is 40 years. Caesar is 23 here

@@wildbard411223??? I thought he was like 40-50

​@wildbard4112 also another thing. We don't actually know if there lifespan is the same on the movie as it is in real life so they could be able to live longer, especially with them being smarter, fit and healthy, eating there own food instead of being fed rubbish in a zoo.

​@@joecasey7912 apes under zoo care tend to live longer though, sooo lmfao. Since they live in your typical american forest where in dawn they've been seen hunting deers, fish and all that, i'm guessing they only live off wildlife from the forest, and idk bout you but wildlife forest food with less healthy nutriens over zoo care full of vitamins and healthy stuff in general food that greatly extends lifespan, yea no shit to say the apes in the planet of the apes franchise live just like your typical wildlife chimp, to the max age of 40, so ceasar being 23 here makes him halfway and a few years into his life.

Exploding arrows

He was a scout messenger, couldn't risk him surviving the explosion and relay his message to others.

@@RoyalDog214yea but they could have just shot him with a rifle and then blew it up doesn’t really make sense tbh

​@@AlexStroud-mj9ym the whole movie doesnt make sense

True, I supposed try they tried to take out the messengers to prevent reinforcement which failed cause one got away.

Probably no longer have the ability or the munitions available to use a sniper rifle or DMR

@@ajax9683 Yeah people are not realizing that this is the apocalypse. No one is fully funded

Yeah, he was like: **You will replace us eventually, that is the nature of the strongest**

Never made that connection. I think Caesar never made the connection that what made the apes smarter was what killed the humans until his conversation with the Coronel

@@joseluis5055 This is an interesting thread. Caesar starts the previous "Dawn" film thinking the humans have offed themselves because they have not seen any in two years if memory serves. It isn't until the scouting crew looking for the hydro dam comes along that this assumption by him is proven wrong. He figures out something is contagious that is affecting the humans by this film, but it is pretty clear that the apes are not what is causing it because they are around them all the time as prisoners and nothing happens. It is transferred from one human to the next, though. That much is clear. It is implied that the Simian flu is the cause due to mutation, but that is an assumption by the colonel, a man who has little trust of science to begin with. Maybe it is a different affliction. Maybe it is a mutated strand of the original pandemic. I think the colonel is projecting this survival of the fittest narrative mostly to justify him killing his own son. His sacrifice has to mean something, right? By killing the apes off, he can postpone what he likely knows is the end game. He calls it perfectly when he predicts exactly the world order that comes in Kingdom when he tells Caesar the the apes will rule over humans.

I don't get it, why is that?

@@kramarancko1107 Caesar stands out as the strongest and most resilient ape of the clan, leading his kind through dark times with intelligence and combat skills. as humans die from the virus or return to a primitive state of mind.

Nope

I agree. Kingdom was lacking imo. But then after giving it some thought, it is just setting up for the remaining two movies for this new trilogy. Rise was also underwhelming compared to Dawn and War; I am crossing my finger the next two are just as good as the last 2 of the last trilogy

Kingdom was better imo

This CGI is as good as it gets

That gorrilla that was captured looked terrible. Idk what happen to that one

@@XxSwagGamersxXhe doesn't look that much worse than any of the others, I'm not sure why you think that

Gaaaaaaeeeeyyaa

How’s it a hard watch?

It makes you warm and fuzzy inside...what a stupid comment

@@eashanjoshi89it’s hard to watch this one specifically because Caesar dies in the end 😢

​@@mo8419may you rot in hell for giving out spoilers

The apes also have some guns

​@@sonoftheway3528 then can't even fucking aim bro, they be using the gun with one hand firing blindly, if this were to happen in irl we would win lmao, we used guns since AD 1000 they can't possibly outskill us on shooting.

@@Shirt. Who is we? No one has used guns since 1000 AD. Skills aren't inherited from ancestors. One could argue IRL that the apes would aim better.

Same, at one point I was thinking why it’s considered a war film instead of an escape from prison flick

Chimpanzees on their own are pretty strong. A human would not stand a chance against a chimpanzee.

I actually didn't put that together until I read your comment...good catch...

there's a lot of pop culture reference in this movie, you can also catch on the sign of a base that Caesar snuck into that reads "The only good Kong, is a dead Kong" which is a pretty obvious reference to Starship Trooper's "The only good bug, is a dead bug"

@@dannyzero692 in the sewers scene there's the best one: "Apepocalypse Now", obvious reference to Francis Ford Coppola's movie "Apocalypse Now"

​@@dannyzero692which is itself a pretty obvious reference to the same sentence but about amerindians, from the Indian Wars in 1860s.

Agree I side with human/humanity no matter what

They show this in movies to make us weak like that, in reality you should never show mercy.

​@@growinglifeorganic940no. It was stupid. I felt nothing. This human was nobody. It should have been the coronel.

It reminded me of Steamboat Willie in Saving Ryan’s Privates.

Mercy belongs to God alone.

Preacher?

Sucks that the colonel did in fact see they weren’t savages but still tried to kill Caesar as revenge for the human race

Turns out that the Colonial and his men were the savages.

@@joosuee.p The fact they weren't savages was what was dangerous.

There is no peaceful world between 2 intelligent races, only domination

@@joosuee.pit wasn’t so much as revenge but self preservation for the human race. He speaks much of this when he captured Caesar, explaining that his intentions was to exterminate the apes before they keep them as slaves from the virus. Him causing problems for Caesar was partly from the events of what Koba did, and surely didn’t want to meet the same fate. However his superiors didn’t like how he handled the virus when he would order the deaths of the infected, including his own son.

It's actually quite natural for his 'pardoned' enemies to bite Casear in the ass. I mean some enemies would feel relieved, but some would see it as a chance to avenge his humiliation.

Nah because war now is longer and you are not safe even behind the frontline nowadays

Humans would have decimated them had he had absolute power. I mean the apes were already losing the war BADLY by this point and that was just against a rogue faction. They'd of been hunted to extinction had it been a united human effort.

Your missing the point. The human military didnt give 2 craps about the apes. It was the virus that was going to kill them all that was the problem. The colonel, out of fear of the large population at the main base, defected and went rogue to avoid such a mass infection scenario. Unfortunately he lost his mind after his daughter died and laid blame on the apes. The military realized after the virus was evolving that they had to find a cure or some way to prevent it. The last thing on their mind was war with the apes. Yes its true the entire military would have destroyed the apes with ease. But then what? Thats not going to stop the virus. They all will still die.

i always say that the events of these movies are not inevitable or even likely by any means; the rise of caesar was a black swan event and everything that follows is a series of collapsing dominoes of probability creating the perfect storm for this timeline to exist humans in most timelines are very very hard to kill and are quite indomitable most empires would sooner descend into bunkers and render the planet an irradiated ashen rock than give it up to another empire of humans, let alone nonhumans

@@user-cf4bg7he7y nah I wouldn’t say they were necessarily losing, they suffered heavy casulties and loss but so did the soldiers. Just this scene shows how the whole patrol sent by the colonel got destroyed in seconds once the calvary came. The thing was that the soldier’s goal was to exterminate the apes completely while the apes was being passive and only defending themsleves, not actually wanting to fight. The whole war seemed like it was 50/50, no one was actually winning, it was just a pointless bloodbath for both sides. Things started going downhill after Winter betrayed Ceaser though

@@ZeroUs30 The movie itself mentions how badly the apes are losing, said by the apes themselves. This was one scene, showing a few squads get wiped out as they attempt to find the leader of the apes and kill him. I wouldn't say it was a total loss for the humans either since they killed twice their number before they were overrun.

Kill the messenger, but it's still kinda dumb because there's no point to use a crossbow when you can use a rifle and make sure he won't survive after a shoot

It's over Anakin. I have the high ground

India - Pakistan Kargil war is an example

No mortars no mg positions . No support element .

Just the tactics are questionable at best

Especially old kratos

FACTS, IT REMINDS ME OF KRATOS

What is this? Highlander?

Mexico win

Nmms xd

Not a chance​@@undesconocidoxdxdxd7393

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Watch the 3 movies it will make sense i don't wanna spoil anything

Have you seen what a monkey can do to a human? Add intelligence to that. We arent strong really the only thing keeping us at the top is our big brains

Sadly its a plothole that was not properly explained

I think logically it's because they were afraid of retaliation from Ceaser and his supporters

I wouldn't say hes "with the humans". He was alive because it was a "donkey" not because the humans were compassionate. Just see how he ended the moment he showed sympathy for Caesar.

Also Koba had resentment towards humans for how he was treated his entire life and when the apes gained conscience he saw Caesar as weak for trying to avoid conflict. Red was one of his followers but after his death they were captured or surrendered to humans.

Now under human capture, Red sees Caesar as the one responsable for his demise, he believes his sympathy towards humans is what put him in that situation and not Kobas irresponsible war with the humans

he died

The new Planet of the Apes movie will never feel without Caesar and the incredible performance by Andy Serkis

I'm rooting for the good people on both sides, both human and simian.

​@@mrtadreamerThere is no peaceful world between 2 intelligent races, only domination

Did you not watch the movie?? Almost like the Humans reacting like humans do, led to us being cattle 😂😂

@lordfarquad7750 Yes, I watched all of them. But I was referring to Humans like Malcom and his family, and Simians like Caeser and Noa.

@@lordfarquad7750I mean the colonel points out how apes would soon become the more dominant species replacing humans due to the virus evolution, The humans in this movie are basically cornered animals

if you are humanized trash, yes. Another great hollywood propaganda flick. Animals = good and smart. Humans = bad

I would say the most unrealistic thing is the talking apes....

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​@@tonypine3434 agree also preacher is in the military so I won't be surprised if he can pull strings back easy as he have training

Mada mada

Silent but deadly

stealth! But you're right, might aswell have just used a gun when they attack straight away

To be fair, I guess in a setting where there aren't many places left to make ammunition, using a weapon like crossbows/bows that have reusable ammunition would start to be more appealing

They could use napalm or just armored vehicles and apes wouldnt have any chance

@@dominicscreativefilms Materials for making arrows and crossbow bolts might be easer to come by as well.

if you are humanized trash, yes. Another great hollywood propaganda flick. Animals = good and smart. Humans = bad

Haven’t watched many movies, eh? 😂

@@lucaschudleigh7193 What do you mean? I've watched heaps of movies 🍿.

​@kameliangauamo6328 There's hundreds of great movies that people love so your not wrong.

yes

@@samct7015 Then we've taken in-group preference to it's extreme. Good luck with self-annihilation. I think it's stupid but whatever.

No lol any normal person would

For all the brutality on the colonel's part in this movie, only wide-eyed idealists would root for the ape side.

Hell no humans are evil TEAM APE

Caesar didn't wanted the war. Koba started it. The colonel continued the war. The two sides that couldn't see anything but war as the rigth choice ultimately caused our extinction. I dont think the message is you should advocate for war no matter what.

@@XDapologist eventually another ape would want to either kill all humans or enslave then. There would’ve been war either way, and better to do it early while humans are still above apes.

well yeah it uses human face cgi

@@1My3My9 I thought that was already obvious.

Virus wiped out mankind. Only a few survived while apes thrived.

No idea... I mean the soldiers in this clip also had assault rifles while the monkeys used bows and arrows. I guess in this universe we just suddenly became really, really incompetent.

@@Melior_Traiano like that’s the main thing holding me back from watching them if I can believe for a second we’d lose when we outnumber and outclass them in every way lol.

​@@leeeinfieldapes outnumber humans in the movie

In the first movie scientists trying to create a cure for dementia accidentally create the “Simian Flu”. It rapidly spreads giving apes increased intelligence and strength and kills 90% of humanity