Lol

Say hi to Elon for me

Not funny

No

😂😂😂

Finally an original comment

While funny ish, the video is *actually damn good even if it sounds like a high school report it reads like an undergraduate essay*

As a kampf, this wasn't quite mein

Holy shit it’s general grevious

As a rushing, I’m not dragging.

Actually, wasn't it the guy who played the core drummer, Tanner? I read somewhere that Nate Lang (Tanner - the guy who asked Andrew to tune his drums to Bb) was the guy who trained Miles Teller.

Being passionate about niche music genres indeed doesn't always mean you don't make time for going to the gym. Now, that said, most of us don't make the time needed to get that shredded unless via the luck of the gene pool. 😝

@@moviemaestro800 you could be in any gene pool, if you want to be that jacked, that's several hours of training per day, or roids, + tons of food that a US student can't afford unless it's his priority in life and part of his training. At least, on planet earth, that's how it goes. In your imagination, perhaps you'd like to think some people "are born like that". That's cute.

I don't literally think people are born jacked, but there are definitely genetic advantages for certain individuals.

​@@moviemaestro800yea like rodis

What are the odds of seeing you there

glad we both watched this video 4 years later lmao

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jesus dude

crazy seeing you here from a video 5 years ago

i'm am reporting you to cops

Mazarin IV shut

@@jogolord8122 what's that supposed to mean?

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Yessss facts

Totally, the setting is more or less just a catalyst to tell the story

The director himself is also a Jazz musician, which is why he chose it for the story most likely.

@@ryanlioce4933 just like La La Land, he used the jazz world as a backdrop to tell a story he wanted to tell.

I just so fucking wanted to make this point but you did it already in the exact same way i wanted... well whatever someone had to say it

I’m pretty sure what everyone misses about that scene is fletcher is just fucking with him. Like maybe he was leading or lagging a bit and maybe it’s something neeman needed to work on, but it was an excuse for fletcher to break him down and there was NO RIGHT ANSWER Neaman could have given. You can see it on all the other musicians faces, they’ve all been hazed by him so they all look away in discomfort because they know he’s just gonna scream at him and throw shit until he breaks down

@@swarthygiant1463 exactly. There’s more nuance to these details than simply being right or wrong, or realistic or not. Things are taken to extremes due to the extreme characters being portrayed- same with how he counts everybody in. He could be doing it an “alternative” way to keep them on their toes and like you’re saying, have any excuse to go off and “inspire greatness” through humiliation.

You don’t have to know that by heart right away, but it helps to know what it kinda feels like

@@swarthygiant1463 he was exactly on

@@swarthygiant1463 exactly

Carl Tanner. Yeah and then he said "he was discouraged." Really? Ya don't say Terry.

That is a good point.

​@@acdexter3219 "the next Charlie parker would never be discouraged"

I've thought about this, and I think there's a pretty good chance that "switching to pre-med" is a euphemism for something else. Not only because it strikes me as odd that a guy who's been playing music for years at an actual music school would just suddenly switch to a completely different field (without there being any qualification he even changed schools), but also because we know for a fact that Fletcher is willing to lie about his students to conceal his own abusive nature (see: Sean Casey).

@@alicetheibault9440 Ehhh, it's not the wildest career change I've seen. Music is orthogonal to medicine too, so it's not like someone can't enjoy or be good at both.

You really are everywhere aren’t you😂

@@rjohnson2018 when you have the high ground. yes.

Hello there!

Aaaaaay 420th like

I’m not gay or anything but I would put you on a dinner plate and eat you like a salad

Jecho Adrian Ponce deserves more likes

OMG!!! Standing ovation! I almost choke laughing :)

Underrated comment. I lol'd. And possibly boofed.

I loled

Best comment

Yeah, that’s what he said

The point of the movie was to make you think about what the acceptable amount of trade off is to push people to greatness.

In some respects the "point" of nearly all good fiction is the characters and their human story. The setting is merely stage decoration. But the objection here is that it wasn't successfully made to fit. I could write a story about immortal insectoid scientists on a spaceship of intergalactic conquest. I could make that choice of circumstance for my characters. But if I don't then write them convincingly as to how a passion for the pursuit of science, or immortality, or a peripatetic or military lifestyle, etc.--these things that I have chosen to assign for them--would tend to affect the way one views and interacts with the world, I can't just say, "It's about the characters, bro. Just listen to the story I'm trying to tell." I have a serious flaw in my fiction. So yes, when these musicians' criticism of the movie spills over into talk basically about whether the film is "good for jazz," as though they were evaluating promotional material or something, obviously that's not something anyone else is going to be interested in. But that's focusing on a marginal, least interesting part of their criticism. The issue of whether the story is being told true to the jazz setting is very much an important one, and certainly can't be dismissed by claiming that "jazz is not the point of the movie."

While I agree with you mostly, the shot of the look on his dad's face at the end is more telling. In that moment, he finally understood.

What dragons_red said. Anyone who feel they have a universal answer to that question though is most likely a horrible person and/or a moron. It's a very personal question that only a person themselves can answer.

spot on, thanks for the comment

interesting take. i always just looked at it more simply and thought that the lameness of the music was to set the tone for that part of the movie: it’s like the “calm before the storm moment” since the movie has been so tense for so long, they were giving us a little break and allowing the characters to reconcile, only to reverse the tone again for the finale

Fletcher wasn’t even a mediocre player he just ironically enough played the very music he hated after Neiman got him fired

if he considers the typical starbucks jazz soundtracks as mediocre, then he should be able to recognize that he himself sounds just as bad if not worse. if there was a scene of fletcher being insecure or not proud of his performance then your theory could've made sense, but idk he seemed pretty proud of his performance. well-trained musicians are generally able to evaluate their own performance as well.

Coaches don't play

As a marine biologist, Diamond is Unbreakable was... okay

you take that back >:I

funny thing the creator of Spongebob is a marine biologist himself.

was* :(

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Scorchu231 _ omg 😂😂😂😂

stitches, is what I'm on now 😂😂😂😂

Whose who's what?

As a person whose dog died, Frankenweenie was ok

*whose, *damnit*

It’s distressing that we’re exposing minors to literal psychopaths with power over them

We had an angry angry frustrated jazz player - he lost most of the better musicians over non-musical issues - haircuts, earrings, etc.

How scary

Sorry, but- I need to know what he did

Basically on the same boat, but my band teacher never went to court. As a matter of fact, the school district essentially protected him and he retired back in 2019. He essentially terrorized the students and there were also SA accusations. There was also a student who lived with him

great comment

I saw it as fletcher being defeated. He’d lost all prestige along with his class. He had fallen from greatness and was left playing the opposite of what he preached because he could no longer preach. It just built more tension towards the final performance being a sort of last hope for his career before he fades into obscurity, left to playing bland, safe “jazz.”

Theorizing in-universe explanations for mistakes, plotholes, or other writing weaknesses typically are some of the less interesting critical/fan discussions of fiction. In this case though, I've found them pretty intriguing. Given the rest of the original soundtrack, and other mistakes especially things like having young people idolize someone who even the fustiest, most uncreative stick-in-the-mud ancient old fogey would have regarded as more of a normie celebrity than a pioneer, it seems pretty unlikely that this was deliberate. The jazz Fletcher played there, though, is so very egregiously awful that it would have to be that he was completely broken as a man or a total fraud the whole time or something of the sort. And there's nothing in Simmons's or Teller's performance that suggests he's being reacted to that way. Hell, there's nothing in the audience's reaction to suggest it. And no way could he get away with that in that setting; he'd probably be dragged off that stage with a hook as the paying audience was on the verge of riot. Why not have Andrew find Fletcher playing in an actual Starbucks, in the Paramus Mall or something, if that was the objective? (Though that would indeed be a very different movie since Fletcher indeed didn't really fall that far in the movie; he is playing the JVC after all!) Ultimately it really doesn't remotely fit however interesting the theory is.

@@salvadorromero9712 I think it’s fun to theorize but you’re right in saying usually these little plot holes are just slip ups on the writers part. About this movie in particular I like Scott Neely’s (I think) perspective. He added a little line is his video somewhere along the lines of “this movie isn’t made with the intention of loving jazz but with the intention of making a good movie.” They didn’t pay that much attention to exactly what the characters were doing and playing and that made it lack soul, but I’ll say they did end up with a pretty damn entertaining movie.

​@@salvadorromero9712Odd comment. You might be a jazz critic and hate the music, but technically it's just bland jazz. The entire point of the scene is that the manic, obsessive idea of "greatness" he instills in Andrew is nowhere to be found - just a man playing jazz in a club.

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@@Carlos-np7du no

@@Znjed0 yes

@@Carlos-np7du maybe

You've won the war

It's called JCPenney Jazz

What are you talking about? Shrek is love, Shrek is life!!!

You are one of the worst humanity's enemie

As a drug , do me

fucking annoying ass redditors please just let the shitty meme die

Man, that dinner table scene, for ANY musician, anywhere in the world, is spot on. NONE of your extended family thinks much of you "playing in a band" - it's always simply a punchline for them, as in always asking you, "How's the "BAND" going?" as if mocking you that you're not famous yet. I grew to HATE that question, and to squelch any further discussion, I would simply say, "OK" and that was it, never going into detail about gigs or achievements or songs or studio work, etc. Just shut up and leave me alone.

I don't know man I think that that is just a background theme. He was still toxic and a dick, totally wrong. Like ok he doesn't play in a high ranked NFL team, but it's still good. They accept their limits. Meanwhile for Andrew you have to be perfect, nothing less. This was the important thing of the dinner scene, the change in Andrew that wants perfection.

@@jondunmore4268 do not talk to your family forever.

For a supertalented drummer it was not enough. So overrated. I wish there were less scenes of him playing.

I thought music was a big deal in texas?

I felt so bad for Andrew in that scene. He shoulda stood up and slapped Mr Fletcher in the face 💀

Now that, that comment... Bravo.

WOW I love this comment😂👍

Not nearly enough likes on this comment! :)

@@olivermitchell4968 im pretty sure Hollywood is NOT in the business of reality.......just saying.

@@ok-ms3ke the reason theres only one "accurate jazz school movie" is because nobody gives a fuck to go see a movie regarding that subject matter, as evidenced by this films poor box office proceeds and lack of critical acclaim. Although JK simmons is an absolute fucking treat in this film, makes me want to shit on his chest.

And whether or not to Raisinet one's popcorn.

It's not simple. People's reactions are too complex for it to be that simple.

Lol it is it's super overrated

It was a movie about neurotic abuse. Nothing to do with music or drive towards excellence. In real life the band conductor (also known as fascist prick) would have been knocked out almost immediately. If not by one of his students, then by one of the parents. Hollywood is silly sometimes.

@@PetraKann its not that hollywood is silly, but that movies in general tend to take a more exaggerated approach to things to make you feel it even more. If he was just slightly abusive and toxic, we wouldn’t have such a divide in how people see him as either an abuser, or a genius who pushed hos students forward. Its also telling of how people see the world.

Liar. My dad works in youtube and I'll have him delete your account.

He is an abusive teacher who never reached the heights he wanted. I kept expecting Andrew to join a rock band as a drummer to spite him and become a star. But nooo.

@@falconeshield what's sad is that Andrew played right into Fletcher's game and Fletcher got what he wanted at a terrible price.

That scene is insane LMAO! The worst part is that Fletcher gets mad at him for playing badly because he was probably losing too much blood to be able to focus well. Just insane 💀

@@chickennuggetpaw A normal person would have told Andrew that he has to go hospital not perform. But Fletcher is insane.

Obviously Fletcher is a fucking lunatic. But I think what most people are missing is that it's at the end of the day Andrew who CHOSES to do these things. His "loved ones" have absolutely no business trying to steer him, just like Fletcher has no business doing so, but it happens all day every day for all people. Everyone has an opinion about what you are supposed to do, it's your choice whether or not to listen. At the end of the day it's all on Andrew and it's actually just as inspiring as it is heartbreaking to see him come to a point where he stops blaming others for where/what he is/isn't.

😂 this is the best one

Lmao

@@foreveruseless1292 lol

Lmaoo

@@sinpi314 lol

I concur

"Kick his ass, Sea bass!"

this, this is the best one

The irony is that you are the most brilliant of all to come up with this comment! 👏👏😅

@Adarsh Sureshkumar - The irony is that that kind of statement comes from you. 😜😄 Mirror, mirror, tell me, who is that mirror I see in the mirror?

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It's literally a movie surrounding jazz. Like, you can say it wasn't the most important aspect or theme of the movie, but it was objectively ABOUT jazz one way or another

But jazz makes up the entire setting of the movie. That would be like if the makers of Rocky didn’t know the rules of boxing, and then saying “Rocky was never about boxing. It was about underdogs and perserverance.”

@@shotgun6Xsigh

@@nate_stormI mean it really is like that for Rocky, probably the poorest example you could have given. The actual boxing in Rocky is like 5% of the film (the last 10-15 minute fight with Apollo). It largely is a movie about perseverance and love as that was the intended message.

@@restitutororbis964 that’s fair lol i was struggling to think of a good comparison on the spot

HIS NAME IS ROBERT PAULSON

As a member of fight club... What's fight club?

HIS NAME IS ROBERT PAULSON

@@Kenanssss you forgot the first rule

as a member of

Jeffrey Wong u got tics bro? Same.

No, it was bad.

Those are actually seizures.

Herman Falck How what the fuck, how??

There's this guy that comes into the store I work in that does actually laugh randomly and I've wondered what he would say about Joker.

I was about to say in high school the chair numbers pretty much ranked how good the musicians were

Yeah definitely. The people who always get 1st part are so impressive to me. Marching band is honestly so much more difficult than people give it credit for.

same with HS orchestra except for basses, we were always just shoved in behind everyone lol

Omfg this one takes the cake by a mile and a half xD

hahahaha- wait

Wait, that's illegal

Winner

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a Winner

@@weidnermusic and you are what?

@@weidnermusic Damn bro you’re so mysterious.

@@weidnermusic Because* PS I finished my film degree lol.

@@weidnermusic Will do buddy🖤 (Sureeeeeeellllllllyyyyyy)

I have never been more mad while watching a movie

I could watch that for hours 😂😂

College A Capella, which is of course an amateur recreational activity even at its top and most serious levels, is indeed notorious for attracting a variety of personality types that are there for reasons other than love of music. There's those who are there for the social aspects, comraderie and debauchery. And there are those who indeed are nothing more than generically hypercompetitive. The final episode of King of the Hill showed this type, with the junior meat grading team player who had no passion for meat whatsoever and indeed was a vegetarian, there just because he "liked to win."

😂 fr. As the the movie is about musical technicality and not the story and characters and experience

You don’t know who you’re talking about😭this is Adam Neely

@@idigmusic4405 Okay he's good at music but he fucking sucks at interpreting movies apparently

@@idigmusic4405 is he one of those single tear people? 😥

@@eliasmsv3156 idk the interpretation is fine imo

Can confirm

HOW DARE YOU

Remove ur mouth

BUTTLICKER! OUR PRICES HAVE NEVER BEEN LOWER!!!

which one

Finally someone that adds a twist

Ikr I've been scrolling for too long now

Underrated

Neuralized /Neuralised?

Perfect

yeah the guy reviewing has no understanding of the actual implications and themes of the movie

Because of the fierce competition？

@@3n3j0t4no cuz dude, i have no idea how this man took a feature of the movie as a flaw like how tf are students gonna be having fun if the mf is throwing chairs and insults?

@@hashly8521 idk he comes off as pretentious so I guess that’s it

@@3n3j0t4he knows what the themes are but he’s just point out jazz inaccuracies

Same 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That series wasn't that good to be honest...

The movies however...

@@lifeontheledgerlines8394 shut the frick up boomer it was amazing

@@flolorm2349 Uh I'm 15. Sorry if you disagree with me, some of it was pretty funny but some of it was meh. That's just how I feel. Well, I hope you have a nice day (or night depending on your time zone). Sorry I upset you.

lol

@@blackfordoblique1965 to be fair, the two guys who can say “As a member of Queen” actually think the movie was the best thing since the invention of fire because they produced it. The real criticism is that anyone who can say, “as a filmmaker” or “as someone who knows the actual history of Queen and has no desire to rewrite it” knows Bohemian Rhapsody was shite.

@@wellesradio Perhaps. I think I understand what you say except for what it is I owe for the honor of your sharing the clarification. I appreciate it. It makes sense. But I still don't 'get it'. But I also know how dumb I can be.

@@wellesradio bruh this was a joke don't need to dissect it like a frog.

@@aniketo-o4356 Duh.

Exactly. This guy obviously never played a wind instrument lol. Meanwhile he’s nitpicking every tiny detail when he should have realized stuff like this himself and not assume that he is right just because he went to music school.

well, seems like an fun time even if it wasn’t very highbrow lmao. sometimes all a person needs is a group of blokes to do fuck all with

But if you're a musician you'll get asked about it like twice a week.

Not even that. If you give everything you are to the pursuit of greatness you don't act like that. Because if you go full speed and disregard your own limits.. you wont become good at anything. You get injured. You burn out. You lose it. If you wanna become great at something you need to pace yourself. Stay healthy. Make sure you don't burn out. Be efficient with your training. Make sure you recover well and a lot. Sleep a lot. Eat well. It's all about having endurance and playing the long game.

@@earlgrey2130 That is true. But isn’t there a point where being great at something like music should be the pursuit? Obviously, it is a balancing act between taking care of ones own personal health and giving it all for the love of music.

Well then maybe the setting shouldn't be a jazz school?? This is such a dumb defense. If somebody made a movie about college football and got things wrong left and right, people would point out the flaws, and rightfully so. But because this is about a much more niche topic, it's fine all of a sudden because tHe mOvIe iS nOt aBoUt jAzZ

@@Christopher-md7tf Except if the movie was about a QB and a demanding coach and it's brilliantly written and performed. I'm not gonna go tHat's noT HOw footBaLl WOrKs. It's a setting. Similar to Black Swan. The movie isn't really about ballet, it's about the consuming nature of being perfect. If the director claimed it was a musical or what the music business is really like than sure, but nobody has claimed that. Interstellar failed cause it claimed to have real science and then the main character went into a black hole and wasn't ripped apart. If space was just a setting then no-one would care, such as this movie.

I agree!

exactly!

Disagree lmao.

yep crawls my skin

For an introvert, even just sitting outdoors is a challenge enough let alone with a tablet and a movie!

Love that one! Cried every time watching it! So relatable!

I also recommend Walk the line with Joaquin Phoenix, great movie about music and passion, not just a competition movie like whiplash

Could have been such a good movie if it wasn’t just a kiddie film.

@@ninjireal i think youre still mentally immature/underdeveloped if you genuinely thought Soul didnt have mature emotional themes/undertones that adults could pick up on and relate to lol

"Soul" is such an underrated movie!! It should be up there in the charts

I know, right? And some earbuds, and then in a park with all the distractions.

Same here - that was the FIRST mistake this guy made in watching this movie. When you watch a movie, you do so AT THE LEAST on a television screen, not with the distractions of a public park around you. This guy is all over the old-school aspects of the movie, but maybe it's going too far "new-school" in the way he consumes his media.

Right?!? Headphones are at least the right direction of you don't have a good surround system, but should only be used as a last resort really. Especially for a musician, who should be the one person that recognizes how truly important audio AND video quality is. I can hardly stand watching films in the theatre anymore because my home theatre is so much better, and the often poor audio at theatres can ruin the experience for me. Really great headphones can be wonderful too though, but he's not using even decent ones by the look of it...

So like Black Swan?

@@benl.4577 yeah

yeah, honestly I think Adam sorta missed the mark in that he based his criticisms off of it being a jazz film, rather than a drama. if anything the music takes a backseat to the relationships and dynamics between characters; yes there were a couple things that really threw me off (Fletcher calling a setlist a, "playlist," for example, like the fuck?) but otherwise I feel like we need to remember this was BASED ON musical education, not a direct copy of it. we even see the lower grade teacher being sympathetic and laid back with his students at the beginning - Fletcher is MEANT to be unfun and uncaring. otherwise the film wouldn't have a point.

@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 i think you can criticize it from both angles

@tárrega is god prove me otherwise yeah Neither of them create.

The movie makes me think of how educators should strike a good balance between how they treat students ... do they get to be a tyrant due to their position as teachers regardless of whether their intentions are good ?

I would say it's about ambition, as every Chazelle movie is. Career versus love

I agree, a lot like black swan

@@88feji teachers that look after their own interest and glory are dangerous. They don’t care what they do to the psyche of the student. This happens a lot in gymnastics those young girls get abused badly , they get pushed so hard they often sustain serious injuries. All for medals and Olympic glory

Obsession and competition, like he said, a sports movie but with jazz.

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Was it dragging, or was it rushing?

@johnson. Start counting.

@johnson. *slaps* was I dragging or was I rushing?!

As a drug dealer, breaking bad was... okay

as a pharmacist, breaking bad was... okay

as a meth addict, breaking bad was... okay

Jai Cabardo as a math teacher who has cancer and then turned to cooking meth to pay for my treatment, breaking bad was... okay

As a geologist... They’re MINERALS!!!

Congratulations on restating the point he made in the review

@@MacanWigit congratulations on commenting on a year old comment

@@chiefinasmith the video was three years old when you commented. Your clapback values nothing.

@@MacanWigit seek happiness in your own life

i also just feel like in the environment fletcher has built on his band any comraderie gets smashed. that kid that fletcher got into the band just to tick andrew was nice to him at the beginning and i thought they were friends, and he's the only one who said anything about andrew being all bloodied and hurt after the car accident, but because of the intensly high competitive environment friendship was never even on the table. also these are kids who admire this mentor and you're bound to mirror the behavior of your mentor at some point, which to me was the explanation as to why everyone in band who even spoke to andrew was so rude and had a similar language as fletcher's. people like him tell you to view your peers as either competition or tools, not friends

THANK YOU!!! you articulated my thoughts to that perfect

He sold his soul

Yeah, when the protagonist joins the class for the first time we actually see students going in with smiles in their face and talking and being friendly. The main character was particularly lonely and focused on success, and the film never focused on what other musicians were doing outside of those sessions.

My thoughts exactly

Woaaah!

Thanks for the comment. Keep it sharp bro. Haha

hey Drew, since you were in the movie, maybe you can tell me who did the actual drumming parts? I looked everywhere and nobody is credited for this... i know Teller couldn't have done all that stuff himself.

Did you get paid any when you advised them on how to "play" their instruments right? Because you just gave something to a $49M movie for free.

Kyle Crane (a fantastic drummer here in LA) was the hands of Miles Teller for close up shots. For much of the actual recordings with the full big band though, I'm not sure. I believe they did a non-union recording session with local studio guys in LA. Those types of sessions are usually kept on the down low. They did not use any of the actual recording of the band playing live (thank goodness, it was ugly).

What about club penguin?

@@PositiveVibes94 ok

No

wow good one, did you come up with it yourself

This is legendary

Fak yeah

This should be everywhere

Goated

Bruhhhh

i agree but oh my god- not the point- i think this is kinda funny. i used to play piano and now i play bass. its like somewhat, piano players turn into bassists.

it's jazz dude not classical, the core idea about jazz itself is freedom not some dude gets iron jailed

Ya like jazz?

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As a slave, django unchained was....okay

@@eyelashes5610 lol this is funnier and goes with the comment structure. I wanted to add a philosophical touch so I wrote it from the perspective of Django and how for him even getting freedom was okay only. You see, I am a monk hence philosophy. 😇

@@minimalism2o2o yeah no yours was good too

@@eyelashes5610 Thanks Fortnite. 😆

@@minimalism2o2o Boy this thread is wholesome, and I love it!

I was just about to write something similar. I made it into the best art school in my state. Many of the teachers were very cynical and pretentious. The students were extremely competitive. It was the polar opposite of my highschool experience where the art students were a very small group that encouraged and supported each other.

imo all the explanation needed is that Fletcher's a raging narcissist

@@donlasagnotelamangia i say both of you are correct. He is a narcissist in a sense that he wants all the attention on him, but at the same time I've had professors that are strict and brought out the best of students of course not in an abusive manner as in the movie, as it seemed to be over exaggerated to strengthen the "tough love" theme.

Exactly, this KZfaqr knows about jazz but doesn’t seem to understand the movie is about mind games and manipulation. Fletcher is trying to make him better but is also fucking him up to do it. I played in band and I have to push this move because too much of this hits home and I get angry or start sweating. This dude was my band director.

@@fightingblindly There's a comment by Ian Mertz in this very same comment section (not this thread, lol) who says they came from the very same high school and band program that the director, Damien Chazelle, came from. I think you'd appreciate its perspective as it does highlight specifically what you're talking about, and why both you and Adam got completely different takeaways from it. In short, it feels like competitive high school band because it _is_ - a high school experience adapted to an "adult" setting, which is why a professional musician like Adam doesn't connect with it at all

So he's a jackass for the better of his students. But he never says that, so while we know that, but the people he's teaching just makes him look like a jackass and making it not fun to play jazz or music and people might not want to play anymore.

And how would you know, Blindy?

Oh yeah? Have you even WATCHED it? 🤔

That was good one

I love the internet.

He's blind, he can't read your comments

LMFAO😂😂 got a fair point mate🙍

Man, that triggered me so hard. It made difficult to avoid a negative bias towards him and keep watching the video.

"Five, six, and..." is not used anymore that much even for 7/4, thus it's cringy. How is this a point to be discussed in a video? Fletcher is clearly a very picky band leader, counting "five, six, and" only underlines his urge to train the band to the most possible "perfect" it can reach.

I really like Adam Neely and all of his videos, but that makes no sense to me.

nicely put.....

You mean that South Park episode with Kanye West?

Criminally underrated comment

@@tokenofdevotion right?

@@tokenofdevotion not really

Best comment!

I think that film promotes that toxic work ethic. All the toxicity lead to the big solo and fletcher smiling.

@@klinkclang Absolutely.

I think it has nothing to do with work ethics, American or not. It's simply about chasing perfection even at the cost of your own self. I think it's a misread, or at the very least a far fetched-streched to it's limit analogy instead of what the actual meaning of the is. 🤸‍♂️

Lmaooo

Burnnnnn!

Exactly he's a loser

🤣

Yesssss

I think it’s about toxic relationships in the end fletcher won his abusive and toxic teachings consumed him

I agree with both, but it's when Nieman takes the reins of the finale performance that he achieves greatness, I can see it a bit in the way all other musicians perform that piece, like they feel liberated. In a weird way, this movie reminds me of "Training Day".

It's about both......

I’m sorry sports movie? Does everything have to be about sports??

Look up Bobby Knight and what he did to his basketball team.

He was talking of jazz lingo.

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@@Darthrocker06 no u

@Telespectador Pensante. Deer meat is good

@Telespectador Pensante. Lol

As a deer, Bambi was ok.

What about her mother?

What about Deer Hunter?

I don’t mean to be rude, but that’s not supposed to be happening. Not saying that it can’t, but more that it shouldn’t. I too am a jazz drummer in college for music and play jazz gigs regularly. I don’t think my hands have ever bleed from drumming unless I accidentally hit a knuckle on a rim or something. The only thing that could cause bleeding usually would I guess be blisters from gripping too tight but most people only get those when they are first starting to build calluses. If anyone seeing this is bleeding while drumming please evaluate your technique really closely because that is not sustainable! No hate meant what so ever. Just trying to provide another perspective

In my culture many play drums, similar to congas but sole drums individually strapped onto the body, tape their fingers to avoid splitting the skin when they play for hours during carnival. I've never played to that level but remember how swollen and sore my hands would be after being part of a drumming circle. Perhaps because I'm an amateur but I always felt so much pride when I've injured myself for playing drums so hard. It's something I need to get back into.

Totally agree. As a guitarist who plays drums, I've developed blisters on my callused fingers when I started practicing more (guitar, but I'm sure the principle would happen to my drum calluses too), and I've probably ruptured a blister once or twice. My hands have just randomly bled from being too dry before, so anyone saying you can't bleed from playing drums should really just say "it's never happened to me personally."

He's a man trying to live his dreams through his students

@@suicidalloafofbread2009 by being an ass about it, got it.

@@Spherehead123 The boy is angry

Totally agree

Or perhaps he believed that had he been pushed by a teacher the way he pushes his students, he might have become a great musician?

FUCK! I thought this hasn't been said yet! XD

SLAM JAM THANK YOU MA'AM

Movie is not that good. go watch it again, its just no that funny/interesting.

@@sethedmonds5996 Shame on you. Criticizing a masterpiece like that. But really, it isn't a bad of a movie as people say it is.

Amen

very good comment

As a 5'6 male, The Hobbit was okay

The hairs make getting the ring off easier.

I’m not a film critic. But I am still able to identify what is important in a film, and I also know that watching a film with the intent of scouring it for inaccuracies is not the right way to go about it. So, what is important in a film? Showing life as it is, every day, for most people - in this case, musicians? Well, sure, sometimes. But not in Whiplash, and not in most films. This is a film about exploring the themes of obsession and abuse. It is a visual marvel and it is full of excellent characters. “Realism” is hardly important, because this is a unique story, told with purpose. It’s not going to be Adam Neely’s life.

He’s not reviewing the cinematography or anything, he’s just saying how it actually compares to jazz school.

@@RuhrRedArmy agreed!

@@RuhrRedArmy The right way about it is definitely not you deciding what is or isn't right. Realism is hardly important _to you_ for this film. But it is a movie about jazz. And a lot accurate information is portrayed right, which people like you conveniently ignore in favor of pretentiously praising "the themes" the film portrayed, because you don't care about music. The director sure does, and because you don't care, you think it's not right to care when it comes to criticism.

@@SuperUnunquadium If I would take anything back, then I would retract saying there is a "right way" to watch a film. I still disagree it is about realism, but even if we frame it in that way, Rick has no ground to stand on. He hasn't actually seen the film, he's seen a trailer for mass audiences. If YOU think it's inaccurate, that's one thing, but he has no rounded view of the film. If you care about "the music," that's fine - I do too - but there are other elements to the film. I also disagree that "the music" = realism. That's a strange way of looking at it. I care about music too, but a film can be about "the music" without sticking to the ordinary.

Ok JOHN WICK

I thought you were going to say "Captain Phillips"!

As a historian this comment was.. not ok.

@@Astronaut-ve9sr why

@@sophiaseth2769 Because Somalia is not in the Caribbean

"As a person from Latin America"

Straight facts

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EXATAMENTE O QUE EU PENSEI duas horas, com fone de ouvido, concentrado SENTADO NUM BANCO DE PRAÇA???

Exato. Realidades totalmentes diferentes

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Shit..

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Reported you

As a serial killer jigsaw was ok

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deep pull.

Too bad not enough people have seen this to appreciate this kind of clever comment

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