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Laminar Flow Explained | P-51 Mustang Case Study

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AdamTheEnginerd

AdamTheEnginerd

Күн бұрын

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@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Let me know what educational videos you'd like from me in the future! Happy New Year!
@hansm_0161
@hansm_0161 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year Adam!
@matheusdelimarodrigues4410
@matheusdelimarodrigues4410 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year dude!!
@terrado6746
@terrado6746 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year Adam 😃 And since it's already in the game, what about an analysis of the F-104 desing... Because as i understand is a direct example of ultra low drag/supersonic tecnology
@avidaviation67
@avidaviation67 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year
@juanordonezgalban2278
@juanordonezgalban2278 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year! I'd like yo know more about propellers. I know they are basically wings spining, but why would youvmake a certain propeller a certain way remains a mistery for me
@oguzhanrayaman5979
@oguzhanrayaman5979 3 жыл бұрын
I didnt know spreading honey into bread was that complicated.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
If you go deep enough, everything is!
@7inviere
@7inviere 3 жыл бұрын
:D
@omramchandrajieducational
@omramchandrajieducational Жыл бұрын
Hi Adam, I have been watching you for years, and wanted to tell you the impact of this specific video on my life. In 9th grade, I saw this video, while browsing your tutorials on how to play some prop planes. I got interested in laminar flow and flow of fluids, and began studying computational fluid dynamics, winning science fair in 10th grade, where I created a laminar flow airfoil cross section for 2 million reynold's number, and won some rewards from AIAA and US Office of Naval Research. Fastforward 2 years later to now, I just completed a 9 week internship in Germany at DLR (Deutch Zentrum fur Luft und Raumfahrt) over the summer after 11th grade, and may get a paper published about comparison of lattice boltzmann method (LBM) and FVM for flow through carbon aerogels for use in batteries. So thank you for this inspiration.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome! I'm happy to hear this video has inspired you, and it sounds like you have a promising future ahead of you, keep it up!
@drgondog
@drgondog 10 күн бұрын
FWIIW every North American Performance Analysis Report used 1/4 scale wind tunnel models at either 1.8x10^6 or 2x 1-^6 as the based RN for CD, which of course is well beyond Laminar Flow transition region. Congrats on a fabulous education. Our 9th graders today are mostly studying Hip Hop, Tik Tok as math and science require actual thought and critical thinking.
@hansm_0161
@hansm_0161 3 жыл бұрын
"Let's flow right into it" Ah yes
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Haha good one?
@hansm_0161
@hansm_0161 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd expected but still find it funny haha
@l3gacy125
@l3gacy125 3 жыл бұрын
ADAM IS ALIVE WITH SOME AERODINAMICS TOPICS LOVE IT!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Always alive!
@AoyagiAichou
@AoyagiAichou Жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd What about now???
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great video. Thank you Adam, I enjoyed it.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the praise Greg!
@martijn9568
@martijn9568 3 жыл бұрын
The man! the myth! the legend! He's here!
@savasolarov8424
@savasolarov8424 Жыл бұрын
Seeing the title of Adam's video, the first thing I thought of was Greg's video on this topi. I am good pavlov's dog.
@gavynmalagarie4225
@gavynmalagarie4225 3 жыл бұрын
I’m currently majoring in Aerospace Engineering and learning about Laminar flow at the moment! Very interesting topic & great video explaining it as well!!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I pretty much condense what people would find interesting and relevant to aircraft from my courses and weave a story around it, for example using the Mustang as a means to explain laminar flow. I find that satisfying.
@davidhald1857
@davidhald1857 3 жыл бұрын
The legend is back. You should do a video on the c202’s wings
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
I've always been here! Hmm seems relatively straightforward though as far as I know.
@juanordonezgalban2278
@juanordonezgalban2278 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't that plane have asymetrical wings to overcome propeller torque? I though that was an italian signature!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@juanordonezgalban2278 Yeah, relatively straightforward. It wasn't done on most other Italian aircraft.
@martijn9568
@martijn9568 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd ''Imagine have you plane pull to the right whenever you try to pull some Gs'', this post was made by the non- Macchi single engine fighter gang!
@kurayami2611
@kurayami2611 2 жыл бұрын
This is more interesting and fun then an actual school lesson god i could listen to you all day teaching
@brthibault
@brthibault 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video!! Good to see the master teaching some fluid fundamentals better than many overpaid professors
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha thanks Bault! This video was way more fun to do than this semester's fluid assignments that's for sure.
@brthibault
@brthibault 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd an idea for another technical vid could encompass the static stability of aircraft and the various methods used in design for achieving stability (Has to be pitched in sim mode since "realistic" doesnt roll with that stuff, YAWn). And if you wanted to be a little bit more advanced you could mention different spiral modes that can occur if your aircraft isn't dynamically stable?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Oof that's quite complicated though. Perhaps I can talk a bit about that while talking about the advantages of canards.
@brthibault
@brthibault 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd yeah that'd be good i didn't think of that. And you don't have to be too in depth but the purpose is to show people the difficulties and stresses ww2 pilots went through in certain planes if they were designed poorly in terms of static stability. Something that "realistic" players may take for granted;)
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@brthibault Yeah I'll consider it!
@bluefox9436
@bluefox9436 3 жыл бұрын
Oof I hope a lot of People actually watch that Video because I'm sick of talking to ppl who just trow the word laminar flow around without even knowing what it is...
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, so feel free to share it around ;).
@HuntersOfficial2020
@HuntersOfficial2020 3 жыл бұрын
😬😬bro your explanation gives me goosebumps...I thought u were gonna explain it simply but wow I'm impressed, man! Thank you
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@pranavarvind4281
@pranavarvind4281 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see a video on the benefits of elliptical wings, a la the Spitfire.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah perhaps one day.
@Warkip
@Warkip 3 жыл бұрын
Excelent video! As an aeronautical engineering student i knew most of the theory but there were some new things in there for me, for example the more skin friction on the bigger fuselages of aircraft with a radial engine.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah it's satisfying to explain these technical concepts in relatively simple terms, at least imo.
@kingghidorah8106
@kingghidorah8106 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to this video I can get my certificate of aeronautical engineering.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
For a certificate maybe.
@TheKevinFanClub526
@TheKevinFanClub526 4 ай бұрын
7:16 That is super interesting. Applying a relatively basic concept to aircraft design. This makes total sense.
@drgondog
@drgondog 10 күн бұрын
Adam - excellent tutorial. A suggestion. It should be noted that Laminar flow over a flat plate transition near RN= 0.6x10^6 - which is a very low airspeed based on MAC of the Mustang wing. Implicitly the next stage of Transitional Turbulent Boundary layer before full blown Turbulence near the region of adverse pressure gradient - should be the focus of comparison between the Mustang NAA/NACA 45-100 airfoil with T/C max ~ 38-40% vs NACA 23015 or Republic S-3 with T/C max ~ 30%. True - the Horkey team, using Kutta-Jukowski, Theordorsen and Prandtl transformations began the analysis & design based on reducing T/C, LE shape, etc of the NACA 450125 Laminar Flow airfoil, then further refined based on desirable CMac and stall characteristics but they quickly learned that the Mustang wing was not 'Laminar'. NAA always described the wing as High Speed/Low Drag - never 'Laminar'. What was discovered was that the Transitional Turbulent BL while 'thicker' and increased as a f(T/C), it was much smaller than turbulent BL and chaotic eddies beyond T/C> 50%. When the Germans tested a captured P-51B (from D-Day), they discovered the same phenomena and commented that the wing's 'attached' BL was greater than 25% more than any previous airfoil of best fighters. The Bf 109 had a modified NACA 23015 and the FW 190 a 23015.5. Such major separation. of course, increased friction drag, but I would pose that the smaller associated 'frontal' region of relatively quiet flow and area seen by the freestream past the T/Cmax perhaps reduced comparatively the pressure drag associated with a real wing. Your comments?
@silience4095
@silience4095 3 жыл бұрын
Turbulent flow sticks better to airfoils, right? (Delayed separation). Is that why it helps prevent stalls?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, same reason as on golfballs.
@lazyboy395
@lazyboy395 3 жыл бұрын
This is why all my engineer friends play war thunder
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe!
@F6FHellcat5
@F6FHellcat5 3 жыл бұрын
That covered a good 80% of my aerodynamics class.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Efficient then ;).
@Acid_Burn9
@Acid_Burn9 3 жыл бұрын
Finally something interesting in my feed. Thanks for the vid!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Haha my pleasure!
@radosaworman7628
@radosaworman7628 3 жыл бұрын
Proposition of topic: Impact of tail configuration on manuverability in high and low speed. (if it's not clear enough there's an explanation: I observed that many planes with good low speed turn perfomance (zero, ki-43, hurricane, La's, yak's) have usually elevators set slightly forward of the rudder. That made me think that it might be beneficial for staying mauverable in all speeds to have a plane with variable tail configuration (that is ability to move whole horisontal stabiliser move forwards and backwards across the fuselage lenght. )
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
The position of the tail is for balance, all aircraft strictly controlled by a human require balance and enough control authority to make the required maneuvers at high and low speeds. Appropriate balance is helpful, but the position of the tail is only a part of it, and every aircraft will have different weight distributions, requiring different tail sizes and positions. You can't just look at the tail to see if an aircraft is maneuverable or not. Variable tail position would be a very complicated system. Moveable elevator is a better system for maneuvering, and for trim you can change the angle of the horizontal stabilizer.
@sule.A
@sule.A 3 жыл бұрын
To help rudder control at high aoa
@doch.8039
@doch.8039 3 жыл бұрын
> snowman to scale Where’s the man man, man?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
It's there in the pic? The J2M's snowman looks much bigger than the P47's , that's the sense of scale you can compare those aircraft sizes with.
@dsdy1205
@dsdy1205 3 жыл бұрын
He's not there bc the Xray view isn't open
@humanbeing9079
@humanbeing9079 3 жыл бұрын
it's definitely interesting how different corporations/countries had different approaches with the same technology. Like how the Germans was actively researching laminar flow but didn't find it worth it for their use while the Japanese used it for planes like the ki-61.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
They used laminar flow on the Ki-61?
@humanbeing9079
@humanbeing9079 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd apparently yes
@pedrosabino8751
@pedrosabino8751 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd If i'm not mistaken, they used in the Hawker Tempest too.
@mircomartinez2666
@mircomartinez2666 3 жыл бұрын
Source on the Germans researching laminar flow? Pretty sure that's an American invention, just like elliptical wings are a British invention.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@mircomartinez2666 At that time, everyone knew of the benefits of laminar flow and elliptical wings. Nations chose not to pursue them because they were deemed not worth the complexity or risk of not working as intended.
@matheusdelimarodrigues4410
@matheusdelimarodrigues4410 3 жыл бұрын
I love your vids Adam!! Keep up the excellent work!!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will do!
@aleksa1098
@aleksa1098 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year man,love your informative vids as i'm highly addicted to aircraft,keep em coming
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Likewise! And thanks, I will! That's a good addiction ;).
@aleksa1098
@aleksa1098 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd yeah haha
@appa609
@appa609 3 жыл бұрын
Edit: I'm happy to see you addressed the major failings of the conventional wisdom and came to the likely correct conclusion. Laminar boudnary layers are pretty sensitive to perturbation: They are likely to be turbulated by any surface imperfection more than a fraction (experimentally ~20%) of the boudnary layer thickness (99% freestream) , and once turbulated, the turbulent region propagates outwards along the surface as a Tollmien-Schlichtling wave producing a turbulent cone. This basically guarantees that any portion of the wing near the fuselage or wingtips, in the prop wash, or aft of wing skin seams or gunports, or even dust and splattered bugs will be fully turbulent from the leading edge. In addition, a laminar boundary layer can also be turbulated by surface vibrations, surface temperature variation, and adverse pressure gradients, as the top surface of the airfoil would experience when producing lift. I worked for several years on landspeed record vehicles that rely heavily on extending the laminar boundary layer. The best result we've predicted and verified on any vehicle is ~50% laminar surface area using a heavily 3D-optimized shape with no seams or protrusions, meticulously smooth surface, vibrational damping, and painted flat white to minimize heating. We routinely measure siginficant performance drops due to minor scratches, bugs hitting the shell, or non-ideal weather. In short, I would be *extremely* surprised if the P-51 wing on any real aircraft got close to 40% surface area in a laminar boundary layer even in ideal flight conditions.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Damn that's very cool work! Yeah it's a challenge to maintain laminar flow on big/fast vehicles. Mass-produced vehicles with 1940 techniques having significant laminar flow is indeed doubtful.
@burtonporter8437
@burtonporter8437 3 жыл бұрын
7% less drag a huge number in the real world lol
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed it is, but to most people it sounds like a small percentage, and perhaps lower than they would expect given the near-legendary reputation of laminar flow. It's also an optimistic scenario for laminar flow too.
@dsdy1205
@dsdy1205 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd It sounds more impressive when you phrase it as the top speed increasing by an entire neighbourhood speed limit
@kampgruppe101
@kampgruppe101 3 жыл бұрын
Im actually using some of your videos as refresher material for my aerospace course in university. And also to better appreciate the aircraft in war thunder hehe. thanks for fueling my passion in aerospace :)
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support!
@Schwifty303
@Schwifty303 3 жыл бұрын
If the laminar flow doesn't affect the high speed turning ability of the p51 (except for the reduced drag) how come the plane turns the way it does? Love these vids! Keep em going man!! ^^
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
It's due to its higher than average elevator authority at high speed. Thanks for the support!
@martijn9568
@martijn9568 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not Adam, but what I think what he was trying to say is that laminar flow has nothing to do with the ability of a plane to turn well at high speeds. Overal laminar flow would probably decrease turn performance, as you can't pull as much angle of attack, because the wing stalls earlier.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 6 ай бұрын
the P-51 prototype wing, when tested by NACA in their wind tunnel, had 50% lower drag than the next best wing in existence at that time. As laminar flow wings had not been used before, NAA engineers hedged their bets and had a backup non-laminar flow wing design ready incase the laminar flow wing didn't work, so that they could still deliver their prototype P-51 to the UK on time.
@Raylen23
@Raylen23 3 жыл бұрын
There should be a series where you just tell the pros and cons of a vehicle because the ones you havent flown like most premiums we dont get your great list of pros and cons
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
I guess, but at that point it would be better in a spreadsheet if there's no gameplay that goes along with it.
@Raylen23
@Raylen23 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd yeah that would work too bc you can't fly every plane and make a vid for each one but it would still be nice having your input on them bc I take a lot of your tips and improve like 10x so it's always nice seeing what you have to say about an aircraft
@sinani210
@sinani210 3 жыл бұрын
Golf Ball! And a good friend, the flat plate approximation, returns.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Haha yup! Next up, Meredith effect?
@fuckduncan3754
@fuckduncan3754 Жыл бұрын
Working on my A&P right now, this was a nice refresher on drag for the generals plus some new interesting information. Nice vid!
@hazart2798
@hazart2798 3 жыл бұрын
"snowman for scale"
@hazart2798
@hazart2798 3 жыл бұрын
2:19
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah?
@hazart2798
@hazart2798 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd hmm? just a nice treat for comunity
@Vito_16
@Vito_16 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Ed video adam, my support always to you.. from 🇮🇳.
@gbro8822
@gbro8822 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding Adam, thank you. Maybe a video on propellers ?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! And propellers are on my list!
@russellwilson5246
@russellwilson5246 2 жыл бұрын
from what i understand the prop wash is not spining as you mentioned...also a smart desighner would put the gun holes in the stagnant point so they would not upset flow.
@baptistehertrich3624
@baptistehertrich3624 3 жыл бұрын
OMG, Reynold's number, somthing that made me so many nightmare during my undergraduate school. Now I'm crying in the shower trying to manage my PTSD =)
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha the Reynolds number itself was always the easy to understand part of whatever we were doing in fluids.
@royhsieh4307
@royhsieh4307 3 жыл бұрын
sir. you deserved all the silver lions you have in war thunder
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Haha why?
@royhsieh4307
@royhsieh4307 3 жыл бұрын
i like this channel, very informative and makes good use of war thunder. i am good with wt but never made anything constructive out of that 😂
@jaiell2049
@jaiell2049 3 жыл бұрын
Aight that explains the honey
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Sticky honey.
@5000mahmud
@5000mahmud 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, will you make a video on other types of drag, such as induced drag?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah probably one day!
@5000mahmud
@5000mahmud 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd looking forward to it, your explanations are very clear. The honey analogy really helped 👍
@excellenceinanimation960
@excellenceinanimation960 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Cool about air intakes! I didn’t know why there was a gap!
@cannonfodder4376
@cannonfodder4376 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastically explained.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@imainhunter
@imainhunter 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video Adam, idk much bout engineering, but i would like to see more videos like this.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I will deliver!
@Raylen23
@Raylen23 3 жыл бұрын
I suggest the ki-61 hei (either) I would love to see how you do with such an amazing plane and I'm sure you haven't done a video on it before
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
It's on my list! Not really a fan of most Ki61s though.
@Raylen23
@Raylen23 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd you dont seem like the type to love Japanese planes thats for sure
@tylertronica2976
@tylertronica2976 3 жыл бұрын
I realize first-year aero engineering uni topics are easier to condense into layman's terms for a video, but I think it'd be nice to see you get a bit more technical and make a video on something like flight dynamics propagation be it through linear or nonlinear modeling. Linear modeling would let you easily segue into basic stability theory given that state-space system representations are fairly straightforward to explain, and nonlinear modeling would also then allow you to segue into Euler angles/quaternions and how they pertain to shifting reference frames for flight modeling/simulation. All in all, I think this would give a nice high level overview of the underlying simulation mechanics in war thunder!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
I also think explaining general concepts simply is more interesting and more useful for the general population than going in depth in a given topic. For now, the most in depth I'd go is the basics of my coded simulations, for example for my climb rate and dive videos (discrete time).
@howardsu4796
@howardsu4796 3 жыл бұрын
Is this what u think about when u in a dogfight?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe ;).
@diegodelizsoto
@diegodelizsoto 3 жыл бұрын
So its true adam even looks at honey on bread on a scientific level
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
EVERYTHING!
@nekomancer4641
@nekomancer4641 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know wtf is happening but Mustang is my fav plane so I'm here
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Haha you don't have to understand every detail of my explanations to understand the conclusion of this video, right?
@from_space
@from_space 3 жыл бұрын
You should explain the graphics you use briefly. It took me a minute to understand that the plate in the graphic at 2:44 was represented by the x-axis and that the wing shaped areas were representing the speed of the moving air. For people who are dealing with those graphics on a regular basis it is probably obvious. But for someone like me who is not it isn't.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah thanks for the feedback. I should have spent more time on it, but also it wasn't the main point of the video so I didn't.
@bryanvontoasty
@bryanvontoasty 3 жыл бұрын
I subscribed to you yesterday after wat hung the re 205 video where you were talking about laminar flow for your passenger plane your designing in chat. I tried googling laminar flow but I learnt nothing and then I opened yt and I see this. Coincidence? Yeah probably but I like to believe it's not.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
It was actually the C205, but welcome! Hopefully this video cleared up laminar flow for you.
@jake2643
@jake2643 3 жыл бұрын
MORE OF THIS
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Roger! I have a decent collection of educational videos like this ;).
@ImInLoveWithBulla
@ImInLoveWithBulla 3 жыл бұрын
From everything I’ve heard about it, the designers purposefully hyped the laminar flow properties of the wings so no one would look too much into the under-belly radiator. Much like how Lotus engineers would drape blankets over the rear wing of their car so people wouldn’t catch on to the ground effects and side skirts.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting theory.
@conordia6906
@conordia6906 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 2 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@flakmag1004
@flakmag1004 3 жыл бұрын
Next do P factor?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'll do a video on propellers eventually.
@fishboxsi1
@fishboxsi1 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! When I saw it I first thought “great another BS video how P-51 had laminar flow and all that false hopefulness of the P-51 fans :) I’m happy you touched on the reality of the design. Only thing I would add at the part you explain laminar flow over the P-51’s wings would be “P-51 had laminar flow wing design witch doesn’t mean it has laminar flow wings” still love your video’s and can’t wait for the next one :)
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks fish! I mean, that's kinda self-explanatory when I say why significant laminar flow was doubtful on the P-51.
@bariqharb2835
@bariqharb2835 3 жыл бұрын
As someone studying aero eng. This very well explained and is consistent with the theory! Wondering what text book you used? Also covering flight vehicle propulsion would be an awesome topic. From piston engines, propellers, to jet propulsion
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the praise! No textbook, just from equations used in my courses. I did piston engines vs jets in this video! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bc9ois6J0LWopYE.html&ab_channel=AdamTheEnginerd
@bariqharb2835
@bariqharb2835 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd I may or may not have binged your whole series and I have to say that they are pretty much spot on with the explanations! Keep up the great work man!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@bariqharb2835 Thanks mate!
@DaFcKiStHisLeerOy
@DaFcKiStHisLeerOy 3 жыл бұрын
damn, last time i was on this channel (2 yrs ago) adam just use text on screen, now he talks?? how could i miss this
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
You choose what you miss ;).
@etekplays4057
@etekplays4057 3 жыл бұрын
As always... a masterpiece!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Heath!
@hunterleebrown
@hunterleebrown 2 жыл бұрын
Very well explained!
@appa609
@appa609 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@lovely_leopard856
@lovely_leopard856 2 жыл бұрын
Thats clear and nice
@dsdy1205
@dsdy1205 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam, could you do a video perhaps on the mechanics of the Flight Instructor, and how it relates to the actual control surfaces on an aircraft? Would be interesting to highlight some strange things the instructor does like applying top rudder during a low speed turnfight
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm not sure how to go about making a video about that.
@dsdy1205
@dsdy1205 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd You could talk about how the various control surfaces deflect when you move the mouse vs when you press WASD, why there are differences in energy retention for mouse aim turn vs keyboard turn, and stuff like that EDIT: If you're talking about how to show the control surfaces deflecting, I think your overlay should have options for it
@NickG_214
@NickG_214 3 жыл бұрын
You should talk about the Meredith effect.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
It's on my list!
@dogeness
@dogeness 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this one. Nice man
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@temptemp8190
@temptemp8190 3 жыл бұрын
Adam, I have a question for you, not related to the video (which was great btw). In a lot of your videos, I see that you make the enemy overshoot, then kill them. But when you are the one overshooting, and you don't have enough speed to extend away safely, what are you supposed to do? Do you have to pull up early to prevent overshooting altogether? Or is there something else?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah either pull up earlier, or chop throttle (I much prefer pulling up and going back down instead of reducing throttle).
@CreeperOnYourHouse
@CreeperOnYourHouse Жыл бұрын
Considering how you mention that quality of production would affect the ability to maintain laminar flow over the air foil, I am left wondering how much of a difference there was in speed of early versus late production for the P51 within the same model type.
@ryzen3004
@ryzen3004 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Years Adam! I love these videos. (Besides the puns hehe)
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Likewise, and thanks!
@MrMatmulan
@MrMatmulan 3 жыл бұрын
Dude... amazing video!!!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Muller!
@richardschaffer5588
@richardschaffer5588 3 жыл бұрын
British tests showed that the P 51 couldn’t achieve laminar flow over 40% more like 10% even with TLC and hand contouring, but it still a low drag wing. The P51 is a VERY smooth aircraft just compare to a Spitfire or 109, but laminar flow is just too hard the 1940s.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Precisely.
@nanochad2979
@nanochad2979 3 жыл бұрын
my brain hurts, good vid though and happy new year
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@tuur9210
@tuur9210 3 жыл бұрын
I was just learning this for my exam Thanks man. What exactly are you studying?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! I have a Bachelors of Aerospace Engineering, currently doing a Masters in Mechanical.
@tuur9210
@tuur9210 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd Wow nice, I just started my bachelor in aviation. The 'rona doesn't help though ... Could I spot a Dutch accent in your videos? Greetings from Belgium in any case, and keep making great video's
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, I'm Canadian. Yeah my entire first semester (fall) of my masters was online. I will!
@martijn9568
@martijn9568 3 жыл бұрын
@@tuur9210 Succes!! P.S. Mag ik trouwens vragen welke onderwijs instelling?
@tuur9210
@tuur9210 3 жыл бұрын
@@martijn9568 Thanks!, ik zit in het VLOC(vlaams luchtvaart opleidingscentrum) op de luchthaven van Oostende
@simpilot001
@simpilot001 Жыл бұрын
I imagine a hypersonic aircraft would benefit from laminar flow airfoils correct? At that speed one is likely more concerned with rage than stall characteristics and lift coefficients.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd Жыл бұрын
At that speed, laminar flow isn't possible.
@thesovietcenturion2469
@thesovietcenturion2469 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe a topic on twin engine planes or something like that in the future, just an idea tho. Also quality video as always.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe!
@thesovietcenturion2469
@thesovietcenturion2469 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd Another idea could be a comparison between inline engines and radial engines, pros and cons, types of planes that use them, ect.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesovietcenturion2469 Yeah interesting one!
@toomi195
@toomi195 3 жыл бұрын
I heard that in the p51 manual it states that the wing is "of laminar flow design" and that it doesnt state anywhere that its actually a laminar flow wing
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Well sure, but the point of a laminar flow design is still to achieve some laminar flow.
@toomi195
@toomi195 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd well yeah, but how much laminar flow makes it a laminar flow wing? I always thought it meant that it retained laminar flow across the whole surface, but i learned different. Great vid Adam :)
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@toomi195 No, you'd need an active system to attempt to achieve laminar flow on the whole wing for an aircraft that carries humans at decent speeds. Thanks!
@georgew.5639
@georgew.5639 Жыл бұрын
Many sailplanes today utilize laminar flow wings.
@kidpagronprimsank05
@kidpagronprimsank05 3 жыл бұрын
Off topic. Can dimple apply to a car can make it more efficient?
@HAMlLTON
@HAMlLTON 3 жыл бұрын
At the beginning he explains why a rod/cylinder shape is impeded more by pressure and not skin friction. A cars shape to me seems much more wing/fuselage shaped than ball shaped.
@nade5557
@nade5557 3 жыл бұрын
@@HAMlLTON i would say cars are more rod shaped, which is why spoilers (not rear wings) can sometimes reduce drag by reducing the wake size of the car despite increasing skin friction. In fact there was an experiment done which showed a car with dimples had 29 mpg whereas a smooth car got 26, showing the drag reduction in the form of efficiency. Apparently car companies don't dimple their cars because they don't think it will sell
@RichardVSmall
@RichardVSmall 3 жыл бұрын
@@nade5557 Got a link to that experiment? Sounds interesting :)
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Mythbusters made an episode on that, but I think they just compared a dirty car to a clean car. Their results were that it made no significant difference IIRC. Car is less blunt than a sphere but more blunt than an airfoil, tough to say outright if dimples would be better.
@nade5557
@nade5557 3 жыл бұрын
That experiment actually was a mythbusters episode it turns out, here is the link! Man I love mythbusters kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jLuZesuqramRYXU.html
@keezin800
@keezin800 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam, I assume ur still a college student. Are u an engineering major? I took physics 1 and 2 last year and I actually understood a good amount of what u were talking about in this video haha
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 2 жыл бұрын
Doing my Masters in engineering currently yeah.
@howtoTH_Life
@howtoTH_Life 3 жыл бұрын
so is it better for P-51 to use traditional wing instead?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Better off not putting the investment into laminar flow, but it was still a low drag wing in the end.
@coolbubba7337
@coolbubba7337 3 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of the Bachem Natter Viper? Anyways, it supposedly broke the sound barrier in a dive. A very fast one. What beats me is how it's stubby little wings kept it up. Could you explain how that could work?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Quick Wikipedia search says some models came near Mach 1. But stubby wings are relatively better at high speed than low speed. They'll be lighter for the same load carrying capability too.
@LoganKinney-sj2tb
@LoganKinney-sj2tb 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam. Though I would have zero clue what you would be saying I'd love to see a french channel of yours. Like these videos in french. Well that's if you could speak good french but I think that's either your first or second language. Also could you do a video on how some planes are better at energy retention than others? If you haven't done a video on that
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Haha really? If you don't understand the language, what would be the point? It's my first language actually. I have a video on MER! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbJxa8ak1b7Gknk.html&ab_channel=AdamTheEnginerd
@LoganKinney-sj2tb
@LoganKinney-sj2tb 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd well I love in Canada so french is my second language so i understand a little bit but It would be cool hearing you speak French.
@fredmdea785
@fredmdea785 3 жыл бұрын
At around 8:30 you show where laminar flow should be more likely/possible. Dont wingtip vortices disrupt the laminar flow as well close to the wingtips? Love these technical videos.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm I don't think it would significantly affect laminar flow, the boundary layer is a very thin effect close to the surface, while the wingtip vortices are much bigger in size. I imagine it affects the very edge of the wing, but that would be negligible lost surface compared to the rest.
@asafemartins2476
@asafemartins2476 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam! I love your educational videos, you havr a lot of knowledge! You are engineer? I'm sorry by question. Like.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support! Yeah I am.
@0MoTheG
@0MoTheG Жыл бұрын
Aren't laminar and transonic airfoils similar in shape? Maybe that was the actual advantage?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd Жыл бұрын
They are more similar in shape (thinner, that's about it) than conventional airfoils of that time. However, transonic airfoils would not be useful for WW2 purposes, since the drag benefit applies to wave drag (transonic drag), which only starts having a significant impact at M0.7+.
@weezurd646
@weezurd646 3 жыл бұрын
Yo Adam! Great video man learned a lot watching your vids! But can you do a mk24 video? Would love to see you play it :D
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's on my list!
@weezurd646
@weezurd646 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd appreciate it man! Keep up the good work xD
@vitinhoaps
@vitinhoaps 3 жыл бұрын
Why you don't have a single video with any Lavochkin? I was trying to learn how to play as soviets and didn't find much.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Well I do, I have La7 and La9.
@j.thomas7128
@j.thomas7128 9 ай бұрын
Is there a more advanced video that explains how/why streamlining is not an example of laminar air flow when considering the purist definition of laminar air flow which is how layers of air move against/with each other and not how air moves against a solid?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 9 ай бұрын
Shaping something to be laminar flow would count as streamlining, but streamlining (i.e. reducing drag) is much broader. Many things fall under streamlining, such as reducing wetted area, and favoring laminar flow.
@j.thomas7128
@j.thomas7128 9 ай бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd correct. hence my question...
@wetzel1628
@wetzel1628 3 жыл бұрын
Is laminar flow affected by wing geometry or does it only correlate with airfoil shape? For example is it possible to achieve laminar flow with an elliptical wing?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it is possible, but some geometries make it harder. For example, swept wings make it harder to conserve laminar flow. So it's both, but airfoil shape is more important than geometry.
@ijnhieibb5140
@ijnhieibb5140 3 жыл бұрын
YOOO THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
And was it?
@ijnhieibb5140
@ijnhieibb5140 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd it was great helped quite abit with understanding how laminar flow works
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that!
@radius507
@radius507 3 жыл бұрын
2 things, is ur profile pic the arrow? And what are your thoughts on a Canadian tech tree/ do you think the arrow could come to the game in the future?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
1. Yup. 2. Nope, no gun.
@StrelitziaLiveries
@StrelitziaLiveries 3 жыл бұрын
Hey you should fly the seafire fr47!
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
It's on my list!
@MDzmitry
@MDzmitry 3 жыл бұрын
God, I want to support the channel but I'm having session exams in a week and can't consume any more knowledge. Is there any shortened retell? Or simply a TL;DR? Edit: I liked the video anyway and hope it'll help making it more popular.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thought, but don't worry about it! Just come back to it later after your exam session, it'll be here when you get back!
@MDzmitry
@MDzmitry 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd sure will
@martijn9568
@martijn9568 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't the first post war fighter jets also use a laminar flow wing? Because I remember reading or hearing that the F-86 Sabre also had a laminar foil.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm I highly doubt the F86 had laminar flow, swept wings and higher speeds will make it even harder to maintain laminar flow than on the P-51.
@martijn9568
@martijn9568 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd or it at least was designed with that in mind, possibly because they did not know any better, yet.
@nightshade7745
@nightshade7745 3 жыл бұрын
4:15 graph why
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Why what?
@lqr824
@lqr824 3 жыл бұрын
The Seversky wing on the P-47 and its forebears is credited with its success. If its benefit isn't laminar flow, what IS its benefit?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
You can have a low-drag wing without laminar flow. Laminar flow is just the best you can get in terms of low drag.
@lqr824
@lqr824 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamTheEnginerd so what was the secret in the Seversky wing's low drag?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
That I don't know.
@nanochad2979
@nanochad2979 3 жыл бұрын
Adam, can you make a video on how to counter the rocket ship that is the f89b and the f89d
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Probably not.
@ConjointVR
@ConjointVR 3 жыл бұрын
Does war thunder actually apply these physics in game?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
WT has the drag coefficients for different parts of the aircraft already, so they could have done these calculations to get the wing drag coefficient. In WT however, the P-51's wing drag does not correspond to a laminar flow wing, but it's still among the lowest wing drag coefficient for a prop in the game.
@MrJoggl
@MrJoggl 2 жыл бұрын
nice video!
@silience4095
@silience4095 3 жыл бұрын
Yay! I was just watching a video on this exact topic yesterday, but applied to dolphins. Coincidence?
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 жыл бұрын
Who knows!
@pills-
@pills- 3 жыл бұрын
YT algorithm at it's finest "Drag coefficient of dolphins? Yes! How about the drag coefficient of laminar-flow wings on the P-51? They're about the same"
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