Jordan Sipe Carrie (2013)

My uncle told me about a Twilight Zone episode like that. It’s about this alien world where everyone’s ugly accept for this one woman who’s beautiful and all the ugly people think she’s ugly.

"Plain" Keira Knightley's Elizabeth Bennett in Pride and Prejudice (2005)

@@masonallen3961 I think I know that episode! I think everyone had a pig snout on their face except for her.

@@ShanyShannon do you know the name of the episode? sounds like a great plot

This is a huge problem. I'd love to see more films "break the mold" here.

This

@@claudia-7917Being healthy is good, but overweight people aren't automatically evil, and they deserve the same respect as anyone else.

yeah, the only counterexample to this I remember from my childhood is the hunchback of Notre Dame, but that was such a horrible horrible book, that I couldn't really take it seriously. So horrible, why would my parents even let me read such things.

To be fair the association comes from human nature itself. Most good looking features are results of good health so are geared towards wanting to reproduce. Therefore we associate good attributes with beautiful people. It’s mostly a technique to make people like/dislike a character without the need for skilled character development, you can see why this is the case in children’s fiction where the writing isn’t always world class.

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Yes but Shrek was an original. His entire story ark was based on appearance. That was a good film

Shrek is sexy. Shut up!

Andrea M shrek is love shrek is life

What are you talking about Shrek is a snack 😍😍🤤

Unruly curly hair is spusually synonymous with messy or dirty. Imo

@Bozhena Gahan Exactly! When a character is supposed to be ugly, instead of casting an actor that actually looks like he/she sould look, they usually pick a good looking actor/actress and give them messy hair and crumpled clothes. I noticed they did this with Grantaire in "Les Miserables" and it really bothered me

Sadly curly hair used to be frowned upon a lot. (And POC women still do get frowned upon for curls)

I think because when you’re younger and less experienced with how to style your hair, it’s the curly haired kids who end up looking less put-together. A girl with naturally straight hair isn’t going to look ugly just because she doesn’t know how to do her hair, because her hair will still look tidy. But a young girl with curly/messy hair doesn’t have the hair care routine down yet, so she looks uglier.

@afootineachworld they're just jealous, curly hair has its own beauty !

You're 100% right, but I think it does show how awesome Rupert Grint was in that role. He still managed to be super memorable, even with all his lines stolen. Go watch the the Chamber of Secrets car/train scene, Movie Clips uploaded a version called "Reckless Flying" and just look at his facial expressions. That kid is like 12, and understood physical comedy better than most adults.

Agreed!

Ron was always an idiot

@@rosepetal34 A brave and loyal idiot. They gave his braveness and loyality to Hermione, too.

rosepetal34 Ron was never an idiot 🙄. Go back and read the books, not fanfiction.

It was on a par with that moment in Wallace and Gromit, the Wrong Trousers, where the Penguin takes off the rubber glove on his head and Wallace is amazed: "Good grief! It's you!" As if sticking a rubber glove on his head were an effective disguise.

Cause being "smart" means you ugly according to hollywood

My circle was mad she wasn't wearing periwinkle! I guess you don't expect much brainy ones at parties!

Yeah, they played the bushy unkempt hair thing for the first one or two films and then dropped it as soon as she grew up a little in the third one, to capitalise on those looks.

This was my biggest gripe with the Carrie remake. Chloe Grace Moretz was more beautiful than any of her other classmates so it didn't make sense that she was being bullied. The original actress was pretty too, but she was portrayed in an ugly light. The New Carrie was wearing loads of pretty makeup all the time even if she was supposed to be the awkward ugly high school girl

I think it's because, when you make a villain attractive, that means you're glamorizing or romanticising them? Not all bad people look ugly. In fact, people who look like they do no wrong, take advantage of their own appearance to get what they want

@@ninarances9074 I agree with you, in fact I believe it’s better to make evil characters unattractive unless it’s related to their personality (like a sexy evil temptress) I think this way because so many teens are glorifying villains as iconic or “misunderstood” but they only sympathise with the attractive ones, I’ve never seen anyone portray The Penguin (except in the Tim Burton movie where it’s part of the storyline) or Ursula in a symphathetic manner

One of the reasons I love Invader ZiM is because the main characters are really cute looking, but they are also little jerks. I just live for this combination so much.

@@paemonyes8299 While that may be true, it's partly symptomatic of how teens, and society, perceives and portrays conventionally attractive people as less evil or more sympathetic. Without changing that, without separating attractiveness and morals, I don't think you can solve this problem.

@@siddharthsahu2101 Attractiveness is simply seen as a positive quality. It's a fundamental aspect of human biology. It's quite literally in the name. You might as well eliminate selfishness or murder while you're at it.

it was really important for annabeth to be blonde, im still irked

Don't even starttt on annabeth

Remember when Constantine was released?

Let's just pretend that the movies don't exist, okay?

I think the biggest issue with it, and this could sound really stupid, but it was a curly haired character with blonde hair who was actually legitimately smart and also wasn't the stereotypical "mean girl" (a character who I couldn't relate too and was supposed to be a villain). As a young, curly haired, blonde girl, when I first read this I was so excited. The only other smart blonde female character in media who I could think of was Elle Woods, who was smart no doubt, but was still kind of a ditz. I wasn't like that. I was a book obsessed blonde who was bullied constantly and no one my age ever saw me as pretty. Maybe two people in my grade have ever called me attractive (I'm very pale with insanely curly blonde hair, not over weight by any means but I'm not the skinniest). Annabeth was important to me because smart blondes aren't exactly common, and her and I have really similar personalities and it was just so cool because I still can't think of many examples like her played by naturally blonde actors. Cause, you know, they do exist, and no, blondes don't exactly have dark brown roots and black eyebrows. Anywho, rant over.

Didn't that dumb belief get them arrested in Deathly hollows??

Peggy7899 Alison That’s not a dumb belief? The only dumb belief is fearing that something as inanimate as a name could harm them. It was only because Voldemort was resurrected by the Deathly Hallows did he cast a taboo on his name, leading them to be arrested by the snatchers.

Suited her smart ass perfectly to be honest

@@kimkon2171 yes, that's why she was brave enough to say the name 😒

@Maryam Naser What if Voldemort had the taboo going before he got himself exploded? What if the reason most adults refused to say his name was, that it would call him? Then fearing the name would be perfectly reasonable for anyone who was there during his previous terror. Voldemort dieing could have broken the spell, making it safe to say his name, but then he reaplied it.

I know, he is one of my favorite characters, along with Fred and George

Exactly, even his lines. They gave all his good qualities and lines, to Hermione. And took all her flaws. I hated that about the movies. It made romione make no sense at all, whereas in the book they balance each other out.

He was supposed to be be quite smart in a ‘I’m always right but don’t feel like I am’ way but they gave all his amazing, lovable qualities to hermione.

So you don't approve of him being turned into a goof while making his girlfriend look perfect in every way? You sexist pig...

@@ViolosD2I what?

Yep. And if you're attractive, you're the romantic lead; if not, you're the "funny fat friend".

yes! that's the halo effect: we assume that if someone is very good at a certain thing, they're amazing at everything. it's way more that just movie logic though, it even happens in classic fairytales/legends: Rapunzel is beautiful, the witch locking her in isnt. Sigmund, the dragon slayer, is also portrayed as very handsome in paintings. Odysseus' wife (I forgot her name oops) has many admirers and many proposals in the twenty years that her husband was lost on sea (which points to her as being beautiful as well), yet she turns everyone down. it's been a part of human psyche for as long as we told stories.

@@lasolady Penelope

That doesn’t apply here since Malfoy are good looking and still antagonists

Thats not true. Alot of villains are attractive. Especially in YA series and movies.

I have curly hair as well and I had been so insecure my entire life. The only time I had been complimented was when I straightened it my hair. It feels horrible to look back and realise what that’s done to my selfesteem. I wish they had more characters who were the pretty one and had curly hair. Not like the usually tamed curls they like to show which you can do with a curling iron, real curls that aren’t the most controlled but still presentable. Curly hair doesn’t have to be unruly and messy like they like to portray all the time.

I have naturally very bushy, curly hair. The amount of times I've been asked by girls with straight hair who use curly irons to make it wavey why I don't straighten it...it's exhausting tbh

100% agree!

I agree. I have incredibly thick and frizzy hair and i'd appreciate more of the "pretty" characters had actually curly or frizzy hair. I feel a lot more fortunate though as people actually really like my natural hair. I'd honestly trade it for anyone elses hair any day since it's a pain to manage.

In India it's apparently a sign of great beauty if women have thick curly hair. My mom and I have straight hair that turns wavy occasionally. All my aunts and cousins on both sides of the family have thick, curly hair. I had a whole phase where I'd try to get my hair curled so that I could feel "pretty". Horribly enough, hair straightening has become a norm now and my cousins keep hurting their hair trying to get "silky, smooth" hair. All of this bullshit made me realize that hair is hair and its stupid to waste all that time worrying about it.

Midgets everywhere.

Lmao

Also imagine auditioning for a role with the description, short, brown hair, incredibly ugly

😂😂😂

As an aspiring actress, I can tell you I have sit in the same room next to underwear models, and the casting staff (usually mediocre middle aged men/women) had the galls to say to that people that they were not pretty/hot enough, so... Casting world is crazy

Because its okay to do that in Hollywood and modern culture. Portraying a boy as being ignorant of things does not carry political backlash like it does when you do that to a girl. No matter how realistic that makes her character, anything more than "superficial" flaws always brings out the protesters which lowers sales. It's not about artistic integrity, it's about fucking $$$.

I know. I absolutely loathed how the movies dumbed Ron down and for the most part made him comedy relief. Quite a few of his best lines or moments were either given to other characters or taken out entirely. He was my favourite character in the books.

Amazing Ambassador i don’t think they teach wizard slang in textbooks

A lot of Ron’s lines went to Hermione. Ron was never dumb, he was the one who kept the three grounded. In moments of panic, Hermione sometimes forgot she’s a witch. Ron reminded her.

That scene bothered me so much!!!

I thought about this too!

Within the same page, Scarlett is also described as having an “arresting face”, “magnolia-white skin”, a tiny waist (seventeen inches) and “breasts well matured for her sixteen years” - not to mention a very charming personality. Ironically you've picked the one book that isn't an example of this video.

@@gooel and also charming. Between a magnolia here and a charming personality there, men did not even notice that she was not beautiful.

I think what it means by that line is that she doesn’t have perfectly delicate facial features, but is still considered very attractive and special in her own way -- her attractiveness is a big part of the book

I think she was not beautiful for the standards of beauty about women back in that time.

Lol true

I'm pretty sure Jesus was described as no different from a beggar on the street. Wild hair and all.

It's also really cool how a brown jew from the middle east turned into a white man.

@@eloryosnak4100 "There was a reason his name wasn't: Jesus Christ That Man's Eyes Are The Color Of Sky!!" Or have a few centuries bred all the blue eyes and blond hair out the middle east?

I am a devoutly christian woman, and I agree with this! Um.... Judas had to point out which one Jesus was to the soldiers! If he was a tall white blond guy wearing a white robe, he wouldn't have had to! Lol These people were brown! Jesus looked like everyone else and scripture says his hair was like wool.

wow i always thought that it was his real teeth

Even WITH the teeth Neville was too attractive, They needed to give him a fat suit too XD. But yea, teeth for Hermione would have been good too.

Ikuto1313 they gave her fake buck teeth but Emma Watson couldn’t talk whilst wearing them

@@bethanyb1175 That isn't the only reason she complained about them. They took artistic liberties to make the role more attractive for her, by making her more attractive. They loved her acting, but she hated the role, at first. Same with harry and his contact lenses. Eventually they said 'screw it' and just let the main cast be different than the books. I heard more detail about this on the commentary on one of the DVD sets, if you want to look into it. This is the logic behind allowing the casting of hermione to be black instead. It isn't like they stayed true to the books anyway. However, it does make some lines from the book very confusing, like when hermoine got confused for a weasley.

Richard Smith they actually mentioned in the book that she’s white look it up

And how she doesn’t know about the tales of Beedle the bard in the books, because they’re children’s stories, so Hermione wouldn’t have grown up with them.

@TwilightRaven witch is the female form of wizard

@TwilightRaven ... because it is.

@TwilightRaven well when you think of witch you think of "old hag stirring a pot of stew" and when you think of wizard you think of "cool magic guy!" But grammatically they are the same.

Yeah I really loved those moments it showed that the wizarding world is still new to her and there will always be a difference between muggleborns and wizards born into wizarding families. They grew up in different cultures. Ron went his whole life surrounded by magic so in stressful times thats his go to move. Hermione is logical and raised by muggles so when told to start a fire her go to is to say there's no wood cause its not natural to her at least at the start

Maria Luísa seriously tho! I’m so sick of people hating and bashing on Ron as if Hermione was some sort of flawless golden girl who could do no wrong (May i point out that she was kinda pretentious and condescending in the books).I lover her but I love Ron too, and I don’t see why everyone insists on putting him down so much just to highlight how much “better” Hermione is or deserves

moral of the story kids, the books are better

I love Hermione in the books and the movie but I feel like Ron was screwed over in the movies they could’ve easily made him more true to the books but chose not to for some reason

I never really got the sense that Hermione ever learned anything from Ron that made her grow as a character I actually think she had the least amount of growth in the books

I actually hate Hermione books and movies

Actually it's canon in the books she slicked it down for the yule ball

@@landrigarcia5728 the original comment isn't dismissing that... they're saying it should've been bushy UNTIL the ball, where she slicks it down

@@landrigarcia5728 /whoosh

Ant R thats not a whoosh ya bafoon

@@keviniiiiii4750 whoooosh

Yes, like taking Benjen's furs. Also WoW Tyrion wants to join Daenerys & do a genocide in Westeros. "They would not love me living so let them dread me dead" 2 bad we will never read it

That's exactly why I don't ship movie Ron and Hermione. The book relationship is more interesting because they were two kids who wasn't attracted to each other and learned to fall in love. In the movie, if I were Ron of course I would have a crush in Hermione immediately like duuuuuuhhhh.

I read the books... still ahve multiple copies of it till now and still re-read it again and again and prefer it over the movies and I still do not ship Ron and Hermione. But to be fair I also do not see Hermione and Harry together. I just think that maybe they should have met other people to date or Hermione could have focus on her career first until she met the one. I see her as just a close friend to both Harry and Ron.

@@ztaoexolisaguanlin5675 She becomes the head of the British government while with Ron. So what do you mean "focus on her career?"

Voldemort could been defeated with a sniper rifle in numerous scenes (given that they have no protective spells against that - ex Dobby died from a thrown simple blade). And even if there were some magical spells, there would also be magical bullets. Also…. No. All of the main characters were weak as hell, and won out of sheer plot convenience/luck/crutches.

In any book worth adapting, everything flows into everything else. You can't make thoughtless changes to make things look "better" onscreen without adjusting other things to compensate.

Hermione was already insecure about her teeth before that incident. It wasn't the cause of her shrinking them to normal size. It was just an opportunity for her to shrink them.

@@AlphabetCookie (which is why her teeth were targeted in the first place, incidentally)

@Philip Arvanitidis It's still considered a defect as far as appearance goes. Leaving out her buck teeth makes Movie Hermione more attractive, hence the trope.

@Philip Arvanitidis I'm pretty sure Book!Hermione knows how buck teeth look on her face better than you...

Ugly Betty was never ugly.

Exactly, attractive people can definitely be insecure and self-hating just like everyone else, but none of these movies ever actually have a main character that’s ugly??? Everyone goes through struggles, but movies always focus on extremely beautiful people and aren’t even faithful to the books they are based off whilst doing so

Sometimes attractive people REALLY believe that they're unattractive.....

@@danyyyyyyyy Yeah, which is kinda crap and not very relatable

@@zachoo7765 it's relatable to me

They literally robbed Ron's dialogues when he explained the rules of wizard world to Harry and Hermione, and gave it to Hermione. They literally made Ron an idiot to fit the Hollywood trend of cool protagonist, smart sidekick and dumb sidekick. But that's not all, they also robbed Ron from his bravery and loyalty, guess who was given the Ron's bravery and loyalty, of course Hermione. I liked Hermione in books because she had a lot of flaws that she managed to overcome, just like Ron and Harry, but in movies it's just like you wrote. Hermione is perfect, Ron is not loyal, stupid, coward who seems to be only comic relief. But someone else in book got Hermione treatment too, guess who? It was of course Snape. In movies he is "misunderstood loner who was bullied in school, who sacrificed himself for his love", but Snape from books I know is much different. In books Snape wasn't a victim of bullying, he did it too. He had friends that practised black magic and hated the muggles. Bullied them, they were his team, it was like James team vs Snape team, not James team vs lone Snape how it was captured in movies. He was cruel to every student that wasn't in Slitherin, especially Harry. He pretended to not see the bad doings of Slitherin students, but was merciless towards other houses. He was sadistic teacher nobody likes.

Actually hermione is one of the few characters where I wouldn’t say that this is the case. Seriously, she has flaws, she isn’t the strongest of the bunch and she doesn’t always get everything right. Apart from that she could have been killed dozens of times without the others. She is book smart just like the movies just with a bit more courage. Something the stole from Ron apparently

Literally every single "strong HP woman" Ginny is written in this girl boss way and she is written as a strong women while everyone brushes her flaws aside in the movies and books. I think she's like able but they could have added emotion to her, crying and feeling sadness shouldn't be seen weak it's human emotion, no one should bottle it up.

Given Ron his book accurate personality could give him more depth. He was probably the most dimensional character of the trio. In my opinion.

@@God_abandoned_us_all Ron plays chess better, flies the broom better and knows more about dragons and Bidle's tales than Hermione in the movies. He also protects her in every fight they step into.

SKSHKKFDSGHHJ

*laughs aswell in The Maze Runner* Seriously, the 2nd and 3rd movie looked like it should be its own not an adaptation. If you dont compare it, its actually good. If you compare it- it makes you wanna throw the books into the screen and scream “OML DID THEY EVEN READ!”

You are right. Percy Jackson's adaptation was... bad. However it was a bloody masterpiece, compared to the adaptation of Eragon. (Artemis Fowl was also kinda raped by Disney...)

do NOT remind me of those

What Percy Jackson movies? I only know the Peter Johnson movies

exactly! There's such a nice balance in the books because all 3 of them are incredibly valuable in making things work and they all have their individual strengths that help save them. In the movies it's Hermione and Harry being amazing wizards and they kind of just drag Ron along and he's used for laughs

It also is one of the reasons that Ron is hated by so many people

Gwendoline Woudstra Ron literally isn’t hated by anyone

ObiWan Kenobi I know SO many people who hate Ron - and I’m pretty sure the film adaptation of his character is the main reason they think Ron is dumb/incapable and that Harry and Hermione should have ended up together.

I have to strongly disagree with you on that. Recall that Luna Lovegood casually mentioned that Ron was funny, but could be very unkind, and that it made Harry uncomfortable because he knew it was true. Ron isn't emotionally intelligent. He is very loyal, and often has small insights, but low emotional intelligence is one of his biggest character flaws. Hermione is, in a certain sense, more magically talented, intelligent, and emotionally grounded than Ron or Harry. But Ron and Harry are the ones who really bring out the qualities that make her a Gryffindor. And honestly, Ron IS just kind of going along with it while Harry and Hermione do amazing things, rising to the occasion when it really matters. Feelings of inadequacy are a major part of his character arc.

Green Mills is that even a question? Fuck yes I've seen The Sopranos and Tony Soprano is the spitting image of Michael Angelo's David. Fight me. But srsly, there are plenty of attractive characters in that show. Also, most of the key characters in that show are basically villains, and I think villains are *generally* portrayed as unattractive on TV as a reflection of ugliness of their soul or whatever. So I guess I was exaggerating a bit, but I still think what I said is true in general.

Tell that to James Gandolfini. Actually he's dead, nevermind.

@LDAR Boy Not a better life, but more attention. And that sometimes is not for the better.

I think that's another reason why people resonated with KZfaq, there's no attractiveness barrier

Especially women. Male actors are more handsome than average, but you still have your Danny De Vitos and many superstars are normal looking guys like Tom Hanks. Actresses are nearly all beautiful, there are few exceptions.

Scarlett I feel is the exception because though she was quiet physically plain she never once realized it. She thought herself the most beautiful woman in existence and because she did she was treated like it. Even now that trait would be difficult to protray on screen, let alone back then. Easier just to cast a beautiful actress.

To be fair, Vivien Leigh is phenomenal in the film 👍👍

@@TwelvetreeZ Agreed. Also, I have to wonder what Margaret Mitchell really meant. The rest of the passage goes, "men seldom realized it when caught by her charm as the Tarleton twins were. In her face were too sharply blended the delicate features of her mother, a Coast aristocrat of French descent, and the heavy ones of her florid Irish father. But it was an arresting face, pointed of chin, square of jaw. Her eyes were pale green without a touch of hazel, starred with bristly black lashes and slightly tilted at the ends. Above them, her thick black brows slanted upward, cutting a startling oblique line in her magnolia-white skin." Nowadays, what she describes would be a photographer's dream--a combination of sex appeal and unique features fit for the cover of any magazine. Maybe the real point was to say that she didn't fit the conventional definition of "pretty" for that era, but had a much more interesting look.

I've never read the book, but I absolutely adore the film. Now that you said this, I wanna read the book!

@@agap05 You definitely should! It's a good read, although be forewarned that it is in many ways a product of its time, so some parts may strike you as a little cringeworthy.

THANK YOU finally someone says it ! Ginny was one of my favorite characters in the book : she was badass, stubborn, bold, a strong female character who always had a smart thing to say that put people back in their place (which would make sense with all the brothers she had to deal with). But I was so disappointed when I saw the movies cause she was just this useless character that never said anything cool and was just there to kiss Harry once in a while, their relationship was so awkward and didn't make sense as it did in the books. Their first kiss is especially awkward in the movie and it comes out of nowhere, in the book it's this really cool moment when they just won quidditch and Harry's so happy to see her that he kisses her in front of everyone (and he can see Ron is okay with it which was a big part of why he didn't do it sooner) that just make so much more sense.. I'll never get over what they did to this character :(

Exactly, they basically erased all the character development of Ginny and therefore their relationship doesn't make sense anymore. Ginny was also my favorite character in the book, so the film adaptation in that regard didn't do it justice. I mean, at the battle of hogwards she keeps of Bellatrix together with Neville, how damn talented was she to do that at 16?! They really didn't do justice to her character :(

also Ginny overcame serious trauma, her childhood and soul was literally stolen by Tom Riddle, and she overcomes it in a blaze of fire. She becomes stronger, kinder, brighter and disillusioned. She defends the people that remind her of her own 11 year old self, vulnerable and easy pickings for cruel people (Neville and Luna).She has a ton of flaws, but she is ultimately the person Harry ends up with because she has also overcome trauma from Voldemort and lets it guide her to being the merciful warrior that Harry is.

Well she wasnt really pretty in the movies either, not ugly nor pretty. But yes, to quiet and passive.

As someone who never read the books, I barely remember her. To me, she's just 'that girl that got used by a book and later married Harry'.

THANK YOU I'm so tired of peopled efending Snape when they've either only watched the movie or read the book with the movie in mind. Snape was not and never will be a good person. And he definitely should not be sympathised with. They did this with cursed child too where they portrayed him and being good all long. Bullshit.

I love the character Severus Snape. Not because he is portrayed as only slightly obnoxious in the movies, but actually because he is a bad person, who turnes out to do something good in the end. Proving my own look on that really GOOD and nice people can do stupid and even evil things sometimes, but also that EVIL and bad people are capable of doing something good sometimes. I LOVE the way Alan Rickman played him, but that is because he was a truly fantastic actor. Not because how they toned down his character in the movies.

You are my new favorite person.

I partly disagree. Having likable characters is good, and Snape and Tyrion in particular are very popular, therefore successful. It is certainly true that Snape's changes affect James' and therefore Lily's likability negatively, which is debatably important to Harry's character, but for the most part they are dead and less relevant, what's important is how Harry views them. Movie Snape may not be true to his original incarnation, but I believe he also interesting, and Harry's distaste for him coming off as more unreasonable is good because it highlights some of the flaws of Harry that are harder to see in the movies. Tyrion I'll admit would've fit the themes and mood of Game of Thrones better with his moral ambiguity and flaws, but I do think viewers enjoyed rooting for him and may have had a harder time doing so if they found him creepy, but maybe I'm putting too little faith in viewers in assuming they need a hero to latch onto.

My biggest problem with Snape not being portrayed as he was in the books is mostly that in the movies it is less surprising that Snape was loyal to Dumbledore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That the movie set his and James relationship up to look like one sided bullying was also a little rough, though they did some of the same stuff in the books until it was explained better. To the movies defense his character must have been a little hard to show since most of his character was shown of in very short slice of life segments in the book (like most of the other teachers) rather than in scenes central to the story. It's one of those things which are hard to keep in a film but maybe would have been easier to keep if it was a tv-series instead...

For the better, in most of the cases. Ex: Take away Superman’s Kryptonite (and remorse) and he becomes, suddenly, a very scary and formidable opponent.

@@kingol4801 no? Take away superman's kryptonite and his story becomes that much more dogshit

sounds more like fanboyism than being a fan, like 2 kids fighting whose superhero is stronger, so we end up with Batman with time to plan as opposed to just say well yeah Batman will get fucked by Superman, but who cares he still cool because he is a detective and a ninja and he does that even if he can get killed by one bullet as opposed to Superman will be cooler with no weakness lol..

@@daniel79tj Exactly. It is annoying, really. Even in Injustice (Batman/Superman comic), Batman himself admitted that Superman could have killed him 10 times over from deep space, if he wanted it at the time.

​@@kingol4801 That just makes him a completely different, honestly worse character.

They still should’ve casted an overweight actor

@@ebonyobrien5895 they should cast the best actor

Ebony O'Brien and then forced him to lose weight for adaptational truism? That’s kind of shitty - like, “oh, you’re a good actor, kid, but you’ll have to drop 15 kilo over the course of the film to get the part-also if we need to re-shoot scenes or want any additional takes we’re fucked! OR you have to gain it back again so we can recreate that look! _Healthy!”_ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Better to use a fat suit (a series of them as Stanley loses weight) on someone the size of end-goal Stanley, like Shia, along with facial prosthetics so the weight loss is recreatable for additional takes as needed.

Gwen Banning all they’d have to do is create the illusion of weight loss and that’s easily achieved by being creative with the clothing

A little weight gain and loss and a little costume craftiness would have gone a long way and hurt no one.

Everybody had to be made less smart to make room for Hermione's towering intellect. I think it's a bit of flanderization as well. In the books Hermione's studiousness made perfect sense. She was muggle born, so she actually appreciated the magic. If you went to magic school you would probably try to learn everything you could about it too. Most kids like Ron just didn't give a f*** because magic school was just ordinary boring school for them. She was bright, but not necessarily a genius. Well-prepared, say. In stark contrast to her peers. (*edit: for comparison, tom riddle was the same way, except he definitely was a genius, inventing his own spells and stuff) In the movies she's brain-o the magnificent. She comes up with every solution, solves every problem and leaves the rest of the cast a stuttering, fumbling mess. Another reason for this is probably because of all the exposition they had to cram in to make a 1000 page book work in a 3 hour run time. So they just had Hermione explain everything, do everything and fix everything real quick.

Harry is plain boring

At least in the movies

Eh, I don't think original Harry was "sassy and smart" in the books.

@@paradoxacres1063 Nah fam he was throwing shade all over the place

Glasses in move are stereotype of unatractiveness. Countless examples in movies when a character takes glasses off and instantly becomes "attractive". In real life it can be opposite. And I'm not talking about myself - ugly with glasses or without glasses :P. But there are people who actually do look much better wearing glasses.

The types of frames make a difference. My grandfather's windshield glasses are one thing, and I don't think they are all that handsome. The slighter frames of today, I like much more. There's something to it, that is stylistic and suggestive. And it's not very easy to pin down.

I wear glasses and it annoys me so much

@@zozodioz Comes with the territory. But at least I can see shit.

Sigh....... I should call her

Nobody denies it. Hell, if I were to make a super-being movie, it would be a requirement of “top 10% get powers” So, being killed off by a hot enchantress would be not as bad as by some fat neckbeard.

Netflix Adaptation: Hermione and Harry come up to some ginger kid being picked on by Malfloy's trio. After saving the weird ginger kid he becomes the Fight Club-esque 'Where's Waldo' easter egg of the series.

www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/2b98tz/why_harry_and_hermione_are_actually_the_romantic/ here's why they did that.

Weasley is always the last pick XD

WEASELY IS OUR KING

And to Harry. Or giving Harry’s stuff to Hermione. Making Hermione way more badass than she needs to be because she was pretty great by herself is why those movies just irk me. And switching Ron getting up on a BROKEN leg and putting himself between Harry and Sirius to Hermione doing it while Ron sits there with I think a bite? Still hurts like hell but a broken leg would be worse, no? They disrespected Ron so much in those movies. They did not do him justice at all.

I can’t even see it in this video and I was squinting at the screen looking for it

Tyler Crain it's very faint

@@slenderfoxx3797 Just like Zukos scar in the last airbender live action movie. Simply stated, that burn scar was put on his face as a dark reminder from his father that he's a disappointment in his eyes (it actually goes deeper, but I don't want this comment to be too long... :D) But in the movie, he just got a light sunburn on the area around his eye. It just hasn't the same implication as a permanent disfigurement (is that the right word? I'm not a native english speaker, so sorry for that. :D), since it's so barely noticeable.

Erigalus damn. That's so unfortunate that they did that.

@@Erigalus Are we referring to the M Night version? Zuko's scar was hardly the worst part of that movie.

Well, guess you can’t change your actors teeth can ya

@@musiccer7446 The suggestion was false teeth could have been used. I could see instead an argument to save time on the cutting room floor, to try and limit the amount of work that requires doing. Some things may reasonably be cited to cut for time. Though I don't think such an argument is being raised here, and I'm not invested enough in HP anymore to go crusading on this point.

@@jackr2287 I don’t get why people find it necessary at all. It wasn’t the most important aspect of hermione anyway

​@@musiccer7446 it was tho. to paint her more as the insecure nerdy girl whos unconventionally attractive and like the video said, making her cinderella yule ball moment more impactful, to show that shes not just some nerdy bushy haired girl, to show that she has feminine traits too. but emma is too beautiful, so the scene is not that impactful. also her being "pretty" gives out the cormac mclaggen plot, while in book cormac never showed interest at all in her because she is supposed to be unconventionally attractive, but in the movie they made cormac as some kind of 'rival' for ron in quidditch and love life? just to hammer down on ron's insecurity? which is weird because the past movie rarely highlights it but hbp decides they need it now? lol

@@hippityhoppitybleblebleb2236 well, there are many ways you could depict a character like that. Apart from that, hermione wasn’t exactly popular in the first movies. And if the actress you chose for a child role grows up to be beautiful than what should you do about it. I get your point. But I don’t think it is as important for Her character. I read the books too and i never thought of that as an important aspect

I always hate it when books are like "*character name* was soo ugly with her long curly blond hair, tall athletic body, piercing blue eyes and huge glasses" Like, it's my dream to look like that.

It's because 'filmic' notions of beauty are based on a small number of conventions about physical appearance, not about the complex mix of attributes that make someone attractive in real life. Cleopatra, it seems, wasn't conventionally beautiful, but her wit, charm, intelligence and personality made men react to her as though she were.

i have something similar where i get complimented on my smile even though i have (very) crooked teeth. like, movies and media would have me believe that having crooked teeth makes you ugly but ive never been made fun of for that and actually get most of my compliments on my smile

The cliche "nerd" character in films with big teeth, glasses and weird hair has caused some people to think that wearing glasses is somehow ugly. It isn't.

I haven't read the books but i just recently watched the movies and i couldn't buy in to their relationship at all. They had no chemistry and Hermione is way out of Ron's league.

@@crazy10bears yeah you should read them. she glows up just before the yule ball in the 4th book and thats when ron realizes how pretty she is. their chemistry is apparent from the first book through all the bickering. but thats my opinion.

@@crazy10bears I know, thats a problem many film-watchers have and I don't blame you. Film-Ron is an outright moron. Dumb and focussed on the appearance of girls and not much more than the funny side-kick without much substance. In the books, however, he is - I have to admit - my favorite character and I think overall the most relatable. He is not as smart as Hermione but arguably the same as Harry. He is a bit lazy - who isn't? He is incredibly brave and always stands up for Harry OR Hermione (many scenes which show that are cut out of the films or simply given to the All-Perfect Hermione. For example in the third one when Snape is mean to Hermione, Ron says: "He's got a point, you know?" thats not right at all. In the books he gets so angry that he gets punished by Snape). Ron's got flaws like a real human has and he has a very relatable and believable character-developement, especially when it comes to him viewing women for more than their looks. Much of the bonding between Hermione and Ron happens off-screen and off-paper, but in the books we know about it. Ron spends way more time alone witch Hermione than Harry does. I always loved their chemistry and relationship and I highly recommend you reading the books. Sorry for the long text though :D

@@TheTororist tbh. I found the Ron/Hermione 'chemistry' in the books to be just as flat and incredulous as in the films... both Harry and Ron are complete arses towards her on multiple occations throughout their school years and in the hunt for horcruxes even when she's bending over backwards to save their collective bacons...

@@SonsOfLorgar They're regularly asses toward each other, too, though, yet remain best friends. And during the hunt, they're all spending nearly every moment together during a very stressful time and it starts to wear on them. I thought Rowling did an excellent job of portraying the relationships of close friends during the different stages of adolescence. As for the chemistry part, though, I mostly agree. I'm glad she avoided the easy cliche of putting Harry and Hermoine together, but putting Ron and Hermione together doesn't read all that much better. It's a small flaw in a great series, though.

You're very right. But Draco's hot though eh mate edit.: and Bellatrix. Damn is Helena gorgeous.

Not necessarily.

I don’t know any examples of what you’re talking about, but if I had to justify it I’d say it’s because it’s a representation and goodness is attractive while being evil isn’t.

Rowling did this throughout the HP series. I adore the books and their author, but I do not like that she did this.

@@feartheghus Disney has done this a lot. In Snow White, the queen turns into an ugly witch just to give Snow the poisoned apple. The queen could have turned into just another beautiful stranger but specifically was ugly.

Good. Messy hair == less attractive. Just swallow the truth instead of avoiding it. Same applies to literally anything else regarding standards. I never understood how people cannot relate or look up to perfect characters. Why would you ever need to validate your imperfections and feed your insecure, pitiful self by looking for other “look, they are like me, it is *beautiful*”? (Clearly deluding oneself) Also, since when you cannot just fix your hairstyle with magic (instantaneously, just like the glasses)?

@@kingol4801 bundy fan huh

Preach!!

Your profile picture sure is something.

@@grillboss6767 lol

your pfp...

Your pfp...... It's a mushroom 🍄, right. Right?

She is more or less the same in books. You seriously overstate her clumsiness and dorkiness. Also, movie Hermione > book Hermione. Simply better is every aspect.

YES!

Well tbh I used to have Hermione hair when I was a kid and then as you said, it "magically tamed itself". Maybe Emma's hair did the same thing? It lost texture and the stylist had less natural volume to work with? Their filming schedule was crazy, working with time-wasting extensions or risking a bad perm could have had major consequences. It may or may not be but I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, otherwise what was the point of having her hair like that in the sorcerer's stone in the first place?

Ellie Wolfe Emma Watson has naturally straight hair.

@@reegankay9799 my comment was about Hermione not Emma Watson

Lea Maree I wasn’t talking to you.

That's a great example for why we need more representation in movies and tv shows for all kinds of people in all kinds of rolls. Lets everyone see that we're not all that different from each other no matter what we look like.

@tylerx2f01 it depends if they say this is Greg he is gay. Or if they have a character who has character development and personality who happens to be gay.

They would have taken it away if they could.

@2 demons attached Thats not respect that's fear, you've taught them not to stare or you will disprove of them.

Not gonna lie: when a friend first showed me GoT and told me to watch it I didn't, because I thought "what medieval comedy is this?" when they showed Tyrion. When I later watched it and realised, that Tyrion is my favorite charakter, the realisation of my prejudice hit me hard. But it's like you said: we never had deep and intriguing charakters with dwarfsim and that seems to leave a mark.

@Sad officier K Did you ever fcking hear this? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

@Sad officier K Based on their descriptions in the books

@Sad officier K Because they're not ugly

@Sad officier K It exists as a concept when the beholder finds the other person's face unpleasant

@Sad officier K As I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally don't think Brad Pitt is attractive. Also if you want to have an objective test to list the attractive people, search for the golden ratio

SqueakyPickles07 the fact that the movies omitted Harry’s meltdown in Dumbledore’s following Sirius’s death pisses me off to great lengths.

Harry was too sassy for his own good in the books, got himself into all sorts of trouble 😂

I couldn't agree more with this comment. What I loved in the book was that all 3 had flaws which made them really believable and relatable. They completely changed that in the movies except for the poor Ron. The poor guy was 10 times worst.

RIGHT?! Harry's actually my favorite character, and that's entirely because of his sassyness. None of that sassyness was really shown in the movies. They actually gave Hermione a couple of his amazing scenes too.

@@AVeryDandyLad THANK YOU!!! THAT PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH TOO!!! Glad someone agrees with me

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Thats interesting, cause i love Harry Potter and i always thought Hermione was a very emotionally intelligent character. In the sense that, when Harry and Ron wanted to punch Malfoy (which was a lot of times lol), she was always like “Harry, no! We’ll get in trouble! Its not worth it”, and on the 1st book (i think?) Neville was sad because he felt too shy to be in Gryffinfor, Hermione was offering him emotional support. I feel like she always searched to do what she thought was the right thing and tried to be understanding for others. I really like her character for that reason

Yeah! I actually didn’t really like movie Hermione, because I felt like she was the perfect character, and they stripped her off all the flaws that made her Hermione. In the books, she was an insufferable nerd, that always tried to do the “correct thing”, even if it wasn’t the good choice or it affected others. She also liked to brag and sometimes was extremely insensitive to others, to the point that at the first book no one wanted to be her friend, because she was annoying to the other kids. (Which disappeared with time because guess what? Character development!) But even then, she was also a *kid* , and was sensitive when feeling alone or when someone attacked her where it hurt; her intelligence. Remember when Snape made her cry and Ron stood up for her. It made her cry because what she saw as the biggest figure, a teacher, had told her that she was stupid. Remember that her boggart was McGonagall telling her that she had to go back home, because her notes were all bad. Point is, the beautiful thing about Hermione wasn’t that; “she is pretty and reads books and is Harry’s friend!” The beautiful thing about Hermione was that she was human, she did mistakes and bragged and sometimes was even mean or annoying, but still did what she thought was best for everyone. She also put effort into everything, which wasn’t really shown in the movies, and was really a perfectionist. She was just a girl that did everything right because she was scared to be a disappointment and, when something happened that wasn’t planned, she acted scared and didn’t know what to do. That’s HUMAN, that’s beautiful! Movie Hermione May have been a beautiful perfect girl... but Book Hermione was a role model, and showed that mistakes are normal, because we all have them and can learn from them. Book Hermione is awesome :)

@@Prettyautumnrain That's a great love-letter to the character.

@@thewindgamer2607 also she advised Ginny about Harry and she was right. I do agree though that Hermione sucks at taking her own advice when it comes to her emotions. She punched Malfoy and sent birds after Ron just cause he chose someone else to date. That's very aggressive and childish but tbh, I relate to it. Flawed characters are obviously more relatable.

Yeah. In the books he has a hooked nose, really greasy hair, pale skin and gets described as an "overgrown bat" by a few people.

I do think that people would be less likely to defend him if he didn't look like Alan Rickman

yeah in the books he is that classic underdog type character that becomes awesome towards the end when he starts to step up and become a boss. In the movie he is just comedic relief

Totally agree. There was no need to reduce him to a mere comic relief character with no depth -_- they even gave some of his lines to Hermione. Also, this results in his love story with Hermione quite.... Inconsistent with hoe the characters were portrayed through SEVEN films. Really a waste of a good character.

The love story does make more sense in the book, because they both seem more like normal human beings with flaws, but that actually compliment each other very well. In the movie it seems like this perfect girl with almost no flaws, falls for the biggest goofball out there. Wich just seems weird. Like those American comedy shows, with overweight dumb guys having a very attractive wife, who also fixes there problems every time.

The more I think about the movies, the more I hate them. I’m just remembering the books and how great they were

@@Paul-ng3xn I always had the same feeling about that. It's so clear that the director wanted Harry and Hermione to end up together, not her and Ron. While reading the books I had the feeling that Ron and Hermione had a way closer relationship with each other than Harry and Hermione had, especially in book 5 and 6, in which they spent weeks together without Harry and probably bonded over that time.

Aarushi Gupta it gives a very negative vibe of the perfect girl settling for a less than good guy.

At first I only knew the movies and hated ron and Hermione... she was just there, the untouchable Emma Watson. So I never liked the movies very much. But when I got myself to read the books, I noticed all these mistakes and started to love the Harry Potter universe >

@@mlem6951 samee it makes me want to read the book now

All of this!!!! So true!!!!

So many supposed role models for girls end up being Mary Sues. It's really sad.

afootineachworld same

I don't think movie Hermione is a mary Sue. She gets a lot closer to that than in the books, yes. Her flaws are certainly downplayed or written out. But I still don't think that she quite fits the bill. See, in the first movie she has a really hard time making friends. Which is accurate to the books, but the complete inverse of a fundamental Mary Sue trait, the be-immediately-loved-by-everybody thing. Her social problems were still somewhat present in that film, and the trio getting close thus still felt earned. She's worse in the films, but imho, again, calling her a Mary Sue is inaccurate.

​@@ZenoDovahkiin ill say it, hermione in first movie is the most accurate, right down the bushy hair. 2nd movie onwards shes a mary sue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nah, she is a Mary Sue big time. For 7.5 films she has absolutely zero flaws. How much more of a Mary sue do you need

hermione wouldn't really be considered a mary sue since she's not the main char of the entire story .. just a side main char buuut she doesn't really have any flaws which people could see her as a mary sue.. she's not 100% a mary sue but i can see why people think that

Definitely

Yes

Agreed

Hell yeah! Such a cool guy in the books, but in the movies he is a goddamn stupid dork. Not funny at all, talking bullshit and always got this stupid expression on his face. It worked out in the first two movies as they still were kids then, but after that his acting got really weird and they shot some really weird scenes with him. Oh and Bill Weasley got screwed over as well

And I fucking hate it

Emma Watson is overrated. Peter Dinklage is amazing

Emma Watson herself said she hated looking back at the earlier movies and seeing herself with the Hermione hair (which wasn't as bushy as it could have been). She refused to look like canon Hermione from the books, and the studio and producers were all too happy to cater to her to beautify Hermione.

@Sternia Hoenheim are you actually complaining because a character looks prettier in a movie than in a book. Like a can sort of understand if she was uglier although you would still be an idiot for complaining, but her being prettier is not a bad thing at all.

Same

What a great movie though... I loved how that made fun of all the tropes.

@@nicholasmapes Yeah me too. The wise janitor. The nerds making a pact to lose their virginity. The best friend with the obvious crush. It's the best.

Huh… I never would’ve guessed that everyone in our high school was a professional dancer…

The best part about that scene is the main jock actually still thinks (rightfully) that they're all attractive in their own ways beyond a fickle high school movie judgement.

That movie is way better than it gets credit for.

To be fair, Ginny was given so little to do and so little development in the books as well. She changed very little and did most of that growth outside the scope of the trio's story.

@@SpankSandwitch99 True, I remember reading the 6th book for the first time and at the end Harry and ginny decide to pause their relationship and I was like "wait... they were together?! When did that happen???"

Which is a great thing. The last thing the story needed was more characters or more scene time for minor ones. They did the right thing eliminating some characters from the books and making Hermione attractive. You think they shouldn't have given her the job because she is cute? That would be very wrong and discrimination.

So.. not hiring someone because they don't fit the description is discrimination? Discrimination they don't let Hugh Jackman play Sheldon Cooper? Discrimination Dolph Lundgreen can't play the Karate Kid? Discrimination they didn't let Pamela Anderson star in Misery? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abVofZWd1MncZaM.html No.. only casting very attractive people for every role because you need eye-candy is discrimination. Watson could have gotten pretty much any role from the obligatory side-chick in transformers to small indie projects. But somewhere a wiery haired, plain, knowitall actress is serving burgers because she didn't get the role. (A job in which Watson would still have made five times that actresses tips..)

@@blaze556922 it's more an issue of removing some of the motivating factors Hermione had. She wasn't hideous, but her crazy hair and 'horse' teeth made her more withdrawn and added struggles that she later overcame thanks to having friends and becoming more confident. She even made a choice after getting bullied by snape about her overgrown (due to draco, I think) teeth, to allow them to be shrank further than what they normally were, giving her a more normal smile from then on, instead of relying on her dentist parents to just use braces

who cares. fuck actors lul

What are you talking about? There are more actors than can reasonably be cast.

Im sorry to tell you this. But a big part of the show business is attractiveness. You know why? Because humans like seeing beautiful people. It releases dopamine looking at something aesthetically pleasing. Therefore the show business developed in such a way that it made most profit. Obviously that could be achieved by having high beauty standards among actors. Just like any other job, beauty is an almost essential qualification in a business world that focuses on visually pleasing audiences. Seriously, its not unfair, its natural

@@musiccer7446 People will hate you for mentioning those harsh truths.

Since when either of them were so perfect? Scar has only her rear as an asset. Do Caprio is just ok, slightly handsome. Telling him as unreasonably attractive is a huge stretch. In fact, his face is too round-ish to be considered highly attractive. He has “papa bear” energy

Yeah, I never read the books, but after the watching the movies, I was like...she ends with HIM? I found it kind of annoying and weird.

It frustrates me too, more because it makes Ron such a useless character, in the books he doesnt do a massive amount, but thoughout the movies he does even less as she takes alot of his best moments

Wtf? Ron is a moron even in the books. I couldn't believe Hermione chooses that idiot in the books as well.

JK Rowling admitted after book 7 that having hermione end up with ron was a literary mistake made for selfish reasons. That that's not how it would have happened / should have been written. As far as I know, it's the only regret JK Rowling has of the 7 books she wrote. “I wrote the Hermione/Ron relationship as a form of wish fulfillment,” she says. “That’s how it was conceived, really. For reasons that have very little to do with literature and far more to do with me clinging to the plot as I first imagined it, Hermione ended up with Ron.” Predicting her fans’ responses, she added, “I know, I’m sorry. I can hear the rage and fury it might cause some fans, but if I’m absolutely honest, distance has given me perspective on that. It was a choice I made for very personal reasons, not for reasons of credibility.

@@rhueoflandorin guess I disagree I think they were good together, but in a unreal sort of way, it's a work of fiction and the relationships should be treated like that because in reality the chances that basically everyone ended up married to someone they dated in highschool are astronomical

@Jake the guy makes a good point like that and the thing you pick up on is that?

Just hire a different actor that's more chubby, so his point still stands

Matt Fenner couldn’t they build a fat suit?

@@moomin5878 they could but it would have to look very convincing and also not be obstructive to act in. you might not think it but having someone skinny like shia look convincingly fat would be difficult with his face shape.

@@ebox147 They would've had to cut the fact Stanley loses weight at the end so they still wouldn't have been completely accurate to the book anyway.

I mean, you're not entirely wrong...

That's what Margaery even said in the show.

Yes, and it also makes Sansa look more foolish and callous for not wanting anything to do with him. I don't even mean romantically, I mean just as a human being. If he was this hideous drunk pawing at her, we'd understand why she was so disgusted by him. But in the show he is so kind and handsome, she comes off as not only an asshole but also a simpleton for not seeking whatever advantage there would be in an alliance with Tyrion.

Agreed, Peter is handsome and only getting better with age. The scar and facial hair/darker scraggly hair only adds to his appeal

@@Siegbert85 margaery was a pervy freak. god bless her.

Noo in fact, curls are pretty attractive

Not impossible. Just harder. Imho but that’s just because I like straight hair.

If I remember correctly, in the book she stopped using the magic hair cream to straighten her hair because it was too much work and expensive. As a teenager with curly hair when I read the book it was very relatable.

I have never understood this. I was born with pin-straight hair and everyone and their mother wishes they had it. It's flat, it absolutely does nothing but lay there, lifelessly. I don't see it as attractive at all yet every one of my sisters wants it despite being born with beautifully curly or wavy hair. I'm the odd one out of them. I think wavy and curly hair makes the person look more fun and lively.

Coiled curles are the most gorgeous things on this planet but only when its been treated with conditioner and then oil otherwise they get pretty haggard, which is what happened with my ex boyfriend. It was so bad he wore a hat or hoodie all the time. I didn't even know his hair was coiled till he did it

Human Nature/Family of Blood was just brilliant.

It's just TV budgets, they make the cast more 1:1 a set of real people. Watch Peep Show, there's a good mix of average and awkward looking people and attractive but definitely imperfect looking people.

Apparently the process they were using to make her hair look bushy like that was actually damaging her hair so they stopped

@@AranelEruvyreth but the actor who played draco had to constantly bleach his hair - im sure thats far more damaging than making hair slightly bushier

AranelEruvyreth all you’d need to do is tease her hair with a brush and put some hair spray on it. What were they doing that was damaging it?

@@quirkyblackenby Teasing damages hair

@V_0_l_c_a_n_0 2000 Because his scene not much as emma. And hermione character talk alot, so that's different.

@our old account I do agree that the world hates on pretty girls in specific ways (i.e. oversexualization), but the fact remains that women are taught that their most important feature is their beauty, and that they have to put a lot of effort into it. Hermione didn't, and that made her important.

@our old account Beautiful girls ABSOLUTELY get special treatment. I don't know what world you live in where they don't. Can they experience bad things too? Of course, but to say they don't ever get special treatment is so utterly untrue.

I mean, to be fair.. Beauty is probably the second or third most important thing in anyone's life after necessities for survival. Pretty people get treated better, end of story. Doing things to make yourself more attractive such as losing weight(or gaining it, depending on the person), keeping clean, etc is vital for anyone. That's just reality, we are "programmed" to prefer traits that seem like they will aid our offspring and increase our bloodlines chances of survival. Theirs a reason most people view anorexic people as unattractive, it's because its unhealthy. It's the same with overweight people, if it increases your likelihood of death then it's a negative trait in most peoples minds. This isn't always the case of course, it's a mixture of nature and nurture(as is most things) but theirs a reason that most people can agree on when someone is beautiful.

@our old account Okay, so. 1. I said nothing about ass kissing, where are you getting this from? All I said is that attractive people are often treated better than unattractive people because we naturally treat people we are attracted to as potential mates. 2. "But an ugly, but kept together and strong-willed person will always be treated better than a person that is pretty but with a weak character" Tell that to twitch streamers who just show a bit of cleavage and do little else. They get paid just for sitting around and being pretty, and are often terrible people. Just because people are disliked doesn't mean they don't get treated better.

@our old account ​The only point I'm trying to make is that "pretty people" often have it easier in more things than "average" people do. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, only that it happens and that it's only harmful to yourself if you neglect the basic things you can do to make yourself more attractive.

Completely strips the story of meaningful moments like that, doesn't it?

I just want to point out that from the the third film onward the directors allowed the actors/actresses to have their hair cut/styled how the actors/actresses preferred their hair to be

They could of at least given her a wig, if they didn't want to constantly redo her hair or destroy it :/

@@saddo15 interesting, didn't know that

Because your movie sells better with attractive people.

Not only attractive and skinny, but very smart too. She was most definitely not the slow, bumbling, "stupid" girl portrayed in the novel - described as resembling a "fat, stupid cow grazing in a field while staring blankly", as the book describes her. The novel was AMAZING btw. One of the best fictional horror stories I've ever read. And one of the most tragic and sad stories I've ever read.

They should get a Netflix adaption and cast Shannon Purser (Barb from Stranger Things) to play her. Or an actual fat teenage girl. It needs a proper adaption regardless of how iconic the 70s film is.

Her being overweight & unattractive was also a main point- she was uncomfortable in her own skin & in the end she saw herself as being excessively bullied which led to the ending of the book. They essentially removed all of the deeper meaning & reasoning when they made her attractive because now it doesn’t make sense

Cuz the one thing that is more unforgivable than being a murderer is being overweight...

Captain Moz yes they’re like sooooooooooo boring

Depends on what you consider perfect. For example, the "whitewashed" Tyrion from the show is still not perfect. He makes mistakes which makes him less perfect in a way.

Captain Moz Rey

I actually like perfect characters if their perfections lead to other character's growth. For example a character who doesn't make mistakes can be a good secondary character to have a main character feel inadequate next to.

Woah.. writing tips

I agree, I don't really mind Emma being pretty that much, the biggest problem is that Ron is comic relief ONLY. He's so stupid and useless in the films.

Kyle Pask Sure, I never thought that she wasn’t pretty. She just had big teeth and bushy hair. Other than that it could just be the boys being a bit silly and not noticing her.

Yes, that moment was super weird. Hermione, what are you doing knowing the swearwords of the Wizarding world? I don't think you'd find that in a textbook. Even more weird is that she was called a Mudblood, and naturally Ron was the one who reacted but then she was explaining his actions to Hagrid and Harry. Could you let the guy stand up for his friends on his own, please?

While I agree overall, I think the change in Chamber of Secrets to Hermione knowing about the term Mudblood and being thus offended was a good one. It makes the whole situation more relatable, makes Ron standing up for her more impressive, and makes her being hurt more endearing than her just being oblivious to it. This was her second year at Hogwarts; you're telling me you actually believe that she could go an entire year without ever hearing the wizarding world's version of "the N word" in a school where one House is predominantly racist or the children of racists? A black kid who was homeschooled may have never heard the "N" word, but upon going to public school he'd be sure to hear it sooner or later. That said, yes I agree that Hermione was too perfect in the films, but films play up characters' traits to fit them in certain roles that cinema more often than not deems necessary. Harry is the everyman and the hero; Ron is the lovable rogue and the loyal partner; Hermione is the brain and the beautiful one. It makes sense that given a scenario in which one character needs to solve a problem through knowledge or wit that the deed be carried out by "the brainy one" instead of the loyal partner. Ron, in the film, still got to prove his wits in the Chess game, but in doing so he was more fulfilling his role as the loyal partner. Each member of the Trio had to solve a riddle/overcome an obstacle for them to continue: Hermione with Devil's Snare, Harry with the flying keys, and Ron with the chess game. From a story-telling point of view, it makes perfect sense.

It must have been hard to find an actress who is tall enough and also has a stocky enough build to play Brienne. I honestly can't find an example of a better actress for the role.

Honestly, whoever they cast as Brienne, most people would say she's too beautiful to be her. Gwendoline is pretty but they made her unattractive in the show, not ugly, but not as beautiful as Gwen usually is. I think she is great. If they found someone as ugly as sin to play her you still wouldn't admit she is ugly because you don't wanna be an asshole.

I think Gwendoline Christie as Brienne is very hot. But she's a perfect cast.

The actress is a good cast for the role but they should have done something with her teeth. When I read the book I pictured her as having those terribly crooked teeth and in the show they are perfectly straight. They could have done something in the makeup department to give her the messed up grill from the book. It would have been a nice touch in my opinion.

who she? from fourth movei?

nah it was alright, the thing with Victor is that his defining trait is that he is hounded because of his fame and the women who are chasing him care nothing for him and are perfectly willing to impede his success in their attempts to manipulate him, by bothering him in the library and borrowing books he needs. making him attractive as well makes it more emphasized that the women attempting to woo him aren't necessarily doing him any favors, making him unattractive might establish that he would be settling for Hermione or has hang ups that would limit him from romantic endeavors. him seeking out hermione is because he respects her intelligence and thinks shes attractive as opposed to the attractive women who surrounds that he doesn't respect. him being more attractive makes him less relatable but doesn't detract from his character arcs and does add nuance to his already present one. his appearance is also used as a foil to Fleur and Cedric. Athletically brawny / stunningly beautiful/charmingly wholesome, respectively

Like Alex Honnold of Quidditch

Rebekka Richter But Victor Krum is so not attractive in the films😅😅

@@lyalawrence4090 Well, he sort of is. It is debatable whether he is attractive but at least he is well-built and manly.

I thought he was well cast. They could have made him look more brutish because I pictures him less groomed, more tired looking

that's so cute mas como eu vi pelo seu canal q vc fala português como eu, isso é muito fofo KKKKKK

Smartness and attractiveness are different traits altogether. Different spectrums. That is akin to comparing density and colour of an object. How tf would the existence of one prevent you from enjoying the other? It simply does not compute.

Chloea Moretz - a good actress, terribly miscast as Carrie, though she played the role well.

And funnily enough it's also such a trope in movies and shows that unattractive or unconventional people are deserving of love and good things in their lives lol.

Well, beauty is determined by the most attractive outward assets. Everything showing hygiene, health, control and wealth will always be evolutionary favoured. People LIKE seeing beautiful people. It has been proven that the Brain emits dopamine (happy hormones) when looking at something aesthetically pleasing. That includes people. In the end, people will make what sells best and what people like the most. And that is literally what it is. No rational person holds their partner to movies beauty standards. It’s fiction, that’s why people like it, and that’s why it won’t change. And deep within you probably prefer watching a romantic movie with a bunch of attractive characters because you are able to empathise better. You will try to deny it, but you know it’s true. At the end of the day, you don’t want to see a movie full of ugly people either

@@musiccer7446 the problem isn't hygiene and health being portrayed, it's the fact that 90% of all actors within a gender specification look the same because any deviation from the perfectly measured proportions is seen as unworthy of attention I like seeing beautiful people, but i disagree that they have to be conventionally attractive to be beautiful. What's so wrong with showing a completely normal looking person being charming the same way? Everyone is attracted to different traits, no? Also while most don't apply the beauty standards to their partner, a lot of us feel insecure because we could not live up to Hollywood's portrayal of what normal people look like. I could relate to carrie in the book and felt with her because my face and neck is scarred by scratched open imperfections too (she has a lot of pimples instead) and she's described as a bit overweight. I felt seen in how slightly ugly she was described because i could see myself in her in a realistic way. I can not relate to the conventionally attractive girl they picked to play carrie and instead wonder if anyone would bully such a gorgeous person in real life instead. The reason carrie was picked on so harshly was that in addition to being kind of odd due to bad parenting, she was also not attractive to look at, and easy to pick on for that reason. The point was that she was a weirdo outcast who behaves and looks different but still deserves good things happening to her and not all the shit that goes down instead. She's just a scared child lashing out - instead the movie feels like it's oh so tragic because she's pretty when she smiles uwu So yeah i will deny i empathize better with gorgeous people, i feel rather the opposite. I feel most empathic with the characters i see myself in. Whether that's through personality traits, hobbies, habits or- who would've guessed - looks. And since I don't consider myself attractive and know not to be to the general public as well, i couldn't care less about watching romances of pretty people. So many of them feel shallow because not a single character is allowed anything but perfection in how they look no matter their age and so much toxic behavior and sexual assault passes because "oh but he's so hot i wish he'd do that to me tee hee" because as we know, ugly = evil and attractive = Angel who can do no wrong How about just casting normal looking people instead of super models and oh hey maybe people could realize what the message is of the movie instead of fawning over their favorite pretty boy I'm so tired of this

@@musiccer7446 there's a spectrum between conventionally attractive Hollywood actor and disgusting beast you know?

Mmmmmm that hermoine Granger 😍🤤

Yeah, I don’t think it did much for Krum in the movies. As someone who hasn’t read through all the books, I don’t think it comes across as well. To some degree, we assume that Krum likes her basically because she’s pretty-same way with Cormac. With Krum, they don’t make it obvious that he likes her brains. They barely have any on-screen conversations and she only ever says he likes to watch her study-which (as she said) was annoying and comes off creepy. Then with Cormac, I don’t think there was ever a specific reason said for why he’s interested in her, so again, we just assume it’s because she’s pretty and bags a lot of dudes. *_Especially_* considering her reactions to all these advances. She always seems thoroughly unimpressed and almost annoyed. In my opinion, the movies didn’t make Krum seem more endearing for liking Hermione, it just let us know he’s not a total shallow jerk. It was confusing to see all these people acting as if those guys were totally out of Hermione’s league.

@@misterwinkybluff5930 What's funny is that in the book, Cormac isn't even into Hermione. Hermione just asks him to the Slug Club Christmas party because she got angry at Ron for something or other and wanted to make him jealous. Cormac probably agreed because of the exclusiveness of the Slug Club, not because he was attracted to Hermione in particular.

@@emersonandrews7308 but Cormac was already a part of the Slug Club, so he didn't have anything to gain in that sense. I guess he agreed coz he wanted a date to take along.

Cormac did try to kiss her though.

There is a book series called “Mortal Engines” which follows the adventures of a clumsy dickhead and a vengeful girl with a scarred face. Recently there was a movie adaptation of Mortal Engines which probably sucked. The girls face in the books was horrifically scarred so much so that she hid her face with a dirty rag, in the movie she’s played by a pretty actress with a teensy weensy scar on her cheek. Aside from that the book is pretty much steam-punk Harry Potter (Don’t quote me on that, my opinion is wrong). Maybe give it a look if you’re into books. This was a weird recommendation, goodbye.

Hermione wasn't whitewashed, watch Rowling talk about how Emma Watson was chosen for a more accurate understanding on how this actually plays out. A lot of the time the choice is not a conscious one, and in the film making industry pragmatism is a vital skill to have!

@@mcdhonalz9004 That pragmatism over expectation in action.

It's quite sad, indeed. Despite the vast majority of people everywhere are not "universally attractive", mass culture doesn't want to acknowledge that fact. They push the idea that the hero is good-looking and unattractive person is a villain or a comic relief sidekick, they divide and conquer. Luckily, there is still enough people who are not blindly following the screen mass culture and do see things for what they are. Wish you to meet more of those. Also, people write and read great books. And if you haven't read J R Martin's Song of Ice and Fire, please do. He has a great depth of understanding of the human nature and masterfully explores all the themes, not the last of them being the one of looks and inner beauty or lack thereof with great many characters. All of which is totally lost in the series.

@@sokiel6663 However you are the person that is defining good looking and bad looking, you are labeling, assuming and placing judgement. The actors that play these "unattractive" characters not only do so on their on free will but are chosen very often BY THE AUTHOR ( see J.K Rowling as an example). Just because the character in a film doesn't live up to YOUR expectation doesn't mean that everyone is following a "mass screen culture". The simple fact of the matter is that you can't just cast anyone you want, there are important things involved such as who applies, who fits the character's role best, who the author thinks is the best. You cannot just simply picture a book character and expect them to look exactly like YOU imagined. That's not only sch an ignorant view but also such a 2D perspective.

especially since they made nevilles actor wear a fat suit and fake teeth for the entire franchise?? makes it seem like they did to play up the jokes about his appearances in the movies

yeah they at leats didn't have to style and comb her hair that much! and maybe not cover all spots...I once heard in an interview that daniel and emma had some acne but j.k.ROwling enver wrote that into her characters so they covered it up what a logic XD

They tried to give Emma fake teeth, but she was not able to speak properly so they decided to not use them. :)

Emma felt kind of uncomfortable and insecure being made look “ugly and nerdy” and requested to be made up better.

@@synflwr Source, please?

Other films depicting such scenes use adult body doubles.

@@d_inkz In America it is illegal to film a sex scene with either underage actors or adult actors who are playing someone below a certain age. With both Sansa and Sophie being 11/13 respectively at the start of the books/series, it wasn't worth the risk to the show. In the books Dany is 13 when she marries Khal Drogo. In the show she is a 17 year old played by a 23 year old in season one. In season two Sandor/Sansa had that very uncomfortable scene where the Hound runs into her on the Serpentine stairs. Poor Rory is SOOOOOO uncomfortable talking about how she is almost a woman, that it got cut.

@@shopahauliquewithjacquelin7025 "In America it is illegal to film a sex scene with either underage actors or adult actors who are playing someone below a certain age".... re: 'The Tale', first one off the top of my head. Film that deals with serious issues, does have unsettling scenes that were needed to convey the (true) story, the child character was played by an adult double during such scenes, it was filmed in America.

@@d_inkz I can think of other examples too, but that is the rule. I am sure that their is a process for exceptions if it is critical to the work and is not exploitative. I think a lot of these rules came as a result of the films Pretty Baby, Blue Lagoon and Endless Love. Brook Shields was a bit exploited at a young age. In the case of Game of Thrones it was not needed to move that story like forward, because Tyrion and Sansa never consummated their forces marriage. And they simply aged Dany up from 13 to 17 and she was played by a 23 year old actor.

@@shopahauliquewithjacquelin7025 Are you forgetting blue lagoon? Brooke shields has legit used body double for her controversial scenes and nothing can be more American than that lol. Nevermind you did mention her. It still could've been implemented here if the parents/guardians accepted the use of body doubles. For GOT age is relevant imo, Martin scrapped his five year old time skip because it didn't fit the narrative, the show runs with this idea everyone is accepted to just "look older" it detracts a lot if you've read the books.