Adding a GPU and Soundcard in the Proliant ML350 G6

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5 жыл бұрын

In the previous video, I upgraded my 2nd Proliant ML350 G6 from single to dual-cpu.
And not without it's share of problems.
This time, I add a PCI-e GPU and a soundcard, as the onboard videochip of the Proliant is not very usefull and as a server machine, it doesn't even have an audiochip at all!
I'm planning to use this Proliant for video editing. Sure a modern i7 8700K or Ryzen 2700x are faster, they are also way more expensive.
But, with no soundcard, and a videochip that has trouble even showing a window in Windows, this isn't going to help making videos. Good thing, the Proliant has free PCI-e slots, including a full length (so 16x slot) with 8 lanes (so it's actualy a PCI-e 8x slot, but because it's length you can actualy place GPU's in it).
For this I bought a GeForce GT710 2GB and a Creative Soundblaster Audigy (PCI-e 1x).
"Why on earth a GT710? There are way better and faster GPU's out there!" I can hear you think, true, but this one doesn't need extra power connectors (the Proliant doesn't have PCI-e power connectors, and adapters, well, not recommanded when using a power hungry GPU), besides, this thing is going to be used for video editing so I need something with video hardware acceleration (current videos I shoot use H264 codec), low power consumption, and not too expensive.
The Audigy is a simple soundcard as well, no optical or anthing, but I don't need that. You could also use the HDMI port of the videocard, but the screen Im using is connected with DVI and has horrible internal speakers so I went for a soundcard instead. There are also USB solution, that are either cheap and bad (read lot's of bad reviews about the cheap USB soundcards) or very expensive (the good ones are too expensive for my needs).
Placing the GPU and soundcard was pretty straight forward. Little hassle with the brackets not alligning correctly, but no were near as bad as the previous video :P
After the upgrade, the Cinebench score was also what it should be, around the same as the other Proliant I had (give or take, around 810 points).
Q: There are way better and faster GPU's for the price of that GT710 available!
A: Yes, there are, you can get a GeForce GTX 760/770 or Radeon 280 or something for the same money. Problem with those is, the power consumption. The Proliant doesn't have PCI-e power connectors, just 4 4 pin power connectors (the ones you use in old DVD drives/ harddisks). There are converters for that, but wouldn't recommand that with power hungry GPU's. Ones that are just above 75W will propably be okay, but real 'game cards' I wouldn't recommand using them.
Q: Why not a Radeon card?
A: I've been looking for those as well (in the 200 series) but there weren't any available (new), and 2nd hand almost as expensive as a new one. The 'cheapest' available Radeon was the RX 570, which is too expensive for the purposes of this machine and not sure if it works because of the UEFI/Legacy support of new GPU's. There was also the Radeon 5450 (I believe), but already had a Radeon 5770 and wasn't happy with it's hardware acceleration for video (not very reliable to put it mildly). GeForce cards, well GT210 was available, but, as well, lacking good video acceleration, and this GT710. The other Proliant I have has a GT 730, but that wasn't available anymore.
Q: Does a RTX2080Ti work?!
A: Not sure. From the GeForce 900 series, or Radeon 200 series, it's not certain if a GPU will work with older 'legacy' BIOS. Modern motherboards use UEFI, and GPU's also switched from the legacy 'video bios' to GOP. GOP isn't supported on old motherboards that used the 'legacy BIOS'. Many GPU makers (the card makers, not the chip) choose to add legacy support... or not. Some newer GPU's (which came around GeForce 900 and Radeon 200) didn't always had the legacy support anymore, so those new cards sometimes didn't work on older machines, or OEM machines.
Overal if you want to play it 'safe', don't use a new GPU that GeForce 700 series or Radeon HD7000 series. It might work, and may vary between manufacturers.
Q: Does it run Crysis?
A: Actualy it does, tried it on the GT730 and it will start. But all lowest settings and low resolution you can hit up to 50 fps. So, it will also work on the GT710, just...even slower.
Old games (from 2005 or so) work fine though ;)

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@IsaacCallison 5 жыл бұрын

I am tinkering with an old ML350 I inherited and this was helpful. Thank you.

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@mamdouh-Tawadros 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea. There are a number of graphic cards these days that require no additional power lines. Mine has a GTX 1050 ti. But I have another system with Gt 710 1gb as a media server, for streaming movies and videos.

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

I wasn't entirely sure if modern GPU's (like 1030/1050) would work because of the UEFI/legacy BIOS compatebility. However, someone already said he had a Radeon 480 or 580 in it, so I guess it would work. I still went for the 700 series as it's cheaper, and the only thing it has to do is show a desktop at 1080P, and have video acceleration.

@ln3527 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the video! I have the exact same server, I call it 'turbine' because it's so darn noisy on start up, however, it's a great machine. I use it everyday for mainly my graphics/design work. It came with dual processors already so I am glad I didn't have to go through the headaches you had. I'm going to look into pricing for those two items you mention. With the GEForce card, I have an option of purchasing the 2gb memory + single fan. I notice that between the 'fanless' option and the 'fan option', the measurements are different (single fan 146mm) v's (fanless) 129mm - do you think the card with the fan option would fit?

@Nemesizzonline Жыл бұрын

The smaller graphicscard should all fit. Only the big high-end ones (which isn't recommanded to use anyway) like RTX 3070 won't fit because of the size (I had one, tried if it would fit, and it didn't :P). But pretty much all the mid-range or low-end GPU's should fit, plenty of space.

@ln3527 Жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline Thank you so much for the reply and clarification.

@jonayamaha3215 11 ай бұрын

Hello nice video, I have ml150 with dual xeon, pci sound card (not pci e) and hd 6450 daily driven it for my business, I don't care about noise and here in Argentina energy is cheap af, I'm getting a ml150 and ml350 this weekend, both for less than 100usd, I'm starting a homelab for hobby and learning.

@jonayamaha3215 11 ай бұрын

About 6 pin and 8 pin connector, get a cheap adaptor, and get new molex pins, cut some extra sata yellow (3) and black (5) and put new pins on the cutted cables, then assemble it on the adapter 8 pin plastic form,that way you get connector straight from the psu and no adapter, good psu, I'm using on as rock 450 and ryzen 3 a modified ml150 psu, with rx 5500 something from amd, it has 8 pin connector.

@Nemesizzonline 11 ай бұрын

The ML150 and 350 are still good machines. Energy however is quite expensive over here, so I can't use them as 'daily driver' , but still use my ML350's from time to time. Currently using a sata SSD instead of the SAS drives, so it saves me about 80 watts on power.

@steven161183 3 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of purchasing this board and wondered if I could use a normal desktop psu for it?

@gismarbarbosa4144 4 жыл бұрын

Hello! I am thinking of acquiring one of these (ML350 G6) to use it as a Workstation for my projects (Software development, cloud, virtualization, etc.). Of course, this will be my personal machine too, so, as a routine, I will be using Chrome, Skype, etc ... in such a way as if I were using a desktop computer too. Making the same changes you made (video card and sound) do you think I will have a good experience? Another thing is, did I see that you're just using one of the power supply? Does it consume a lot of electricity? Thank you, and beautiful video. PS.: I'm from Brazil, so, sorry for the bad english (written and verbal agreement)

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Hello. These machines, though bit old by now, are still fine for doing all kinds of work). However, even with 4 fans and the 'reduced acoustics' option, it will still make quite some noise. Personaly I don't mind, but a lot of people might still consider it too loud (with only 2 fans it will go full-out and then the sound is unbareable :P ). Power consumption is a bit high compared to modern PC's, but not too bad. Idle is a bit high, around 130W (depending a bit on cofiguration ofcourse, mine has 2 CPU's and lot's of harddrives in it, if you have for example 1 CPU, or the low-voltage models, power consumption will be lower). Under load it does aroun 300W , but that was during a test run with Prime 95 (so a bit unrealistic load) and fans ramping up high (each fan uses around 25W full load, and I got 4 of them in the system). The 2nd power supply is only for redundancy, it's not needed for operation, it's just a fail safe if PSU1 fails, the 2nd takes over without the system crashing. It's not like you can add up the wattage with 2 PSU's (so 2 450W's doesn't make 900W available for example, it's purely if 1 fails, the other takes over). Maybe for many parts, a more modern PC would be better (faster and lower power consumption), however, lot of parts for these machines are realy cheap (CPU's and RAM for example) making them actualy quite interesting for VM machines (which benefit from many cores/threads and RAM).

@ferch71 5 жыл бұрын

Great videos! What is your favorite source of parts in EU? (apart from Ebay of course).

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

I actualy don't even use Ebay. For parts for servers I use Servershop24 (German shop, but they also have English website), they have good prices for parts (unlike some Dutch shops for example). And 2nd hand market some Dutch sites like Tweakers.net . New parts I get from local Dutch shops, some parts might be cheaper abroad (Germany for example), but if you get a part that is faulty or broken, it much more hassle to return it, so I'd rather get my parts from local stores even though they might be a bit more expensive at times. In the case of server parts, they are so much more expensive in Dutch shops I won't even bother and get them from the mentioned German shop (Server24.de) .

@hanialbook2129 3 жыл бұрын

Nemesizzonline nice website but everything they have are used items. What do you think about that? I wanted to buy some fans, heatsinks, cpu, and power supply “but I I found were used items.

@van0tot100 3 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline Thanks, I am Dutch too, and I am always jealous when I see these amazing deals on foreign markets. Especially GPU's are very expensive in the Netherlands.

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

@@hanialbook2129 Sorry for the late response (didn't get a notification so I missed your comment). The parts are indeed used, but tested and working properly.

@sinapooyan4894 4 жыл бұрын

great Nemesizzonline . thanks man

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@hanialbook2129 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video, do you think ML350 G6 can boot from NVME PCIE adapter?

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure, haven't tried it (haven't got a NVME Pci-e drive), but it has the option to boot from different deveices, just not sure if it 'understands' what a PCI-e NVME drive is, considering it's age (and as far as I know, they didn't excist back then :P ). I do know it's not recommanded to use ordinary (sata) SSD's in the front bays, the controller (P410i) is missing certain features which can cause problems with SSD's (decreasing the SSD's lifespan, and missing functions like TRIM, and at times cause the raidcontroller to go to fail-save). Using SSD's on the internal sata ports is fine though. (not your original question, but I add in just in case someone else sees it )

@ahu747 Жыл бұрын

I've got one and ultimately decided to part ways with it because it consumes so much electricity that is cheaper and more efficient to get a newer and more efficient computer.

@Nemesizzonline Жыл бұрын

It's true they're not very energy efficient compared to modern computers. However, the ones I have, are not used on a daily basis, and either used for storage or just a bit of fun once in a while.

@van0tot100 3 жыл бұрын

I am going to try the same thing. I will also replace the fans with some quieter ones, which will be a bit difficult as I have to rewire them. I know it is possible, as others have done it before. I am not sure about the GPU, I have a very power hungry R9 290 8GB laying around, and also an RX 570 8 GB. I prefer to use the R9, as I can sell the RX 570 for quite some money. I have been selling game PC's just to earn money to buy one for myself. The PSU is very decent. It is very efficient and has 750 watts. In theory it could power a very power hungry GPU, but I am not sure how the power is divided among the wires. I think the total power consumption won't be an issue. I will put in two x5675 cpu's, which I think is overkill, but I like the PC to be future proof. Like you, I want to use it for video editing, as with my laptop this has always be a pain, and some minor gaming. Also, I am in doubt what to do with the RAM. I started selling game PC's during Covid times to make some money to buy my own pc. I thought this server would be ideal, so I could use the memory I couldn't use for building game PC's in this server (2 GB sticks, as regular motherboards need larger chips as they only had 2 or 4 slots) to increase the memory of the server. It has so many slots, that 2 GB rams would be perfect. However, not all of them are ECC. Do I need ECC in servers, or is this only to make them more stable? In any case thanks for sharing this project, it could be very helpful!

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

It is possible to use high-end GPU's in the machine, but Im not a fan of using those adapters for the power connectors. A card with a single 6-pin is doable, but power hungry cards with 8+6 or 8+8 is a bit risky (connectors/cables can melt if they're bad quality, and it's hard to see if it's a good or bad quality cable, and the connectors need to fit perfectly as well, which with cheap molex > pci-e adapters isn't always the case and they can melt or catch fire). With the RAM, you need ECC-Reg to use all slots, ECC unbuffered has limitations (explanation should be on the side panel of the server, you can't use tripple channel when using unbuffered DIMMS). Not sure about non-ecc, haven't tested if that works or not, but, DDR3 Ecc-reg is dirt cheap compared to the unbuffered ones (ECC or non-ECC). A small detail is, you have to spread the total memory equaly between CPU's, so both CPU's have the same total RAM (example, if CPU 1 has 4GB total, CPU 2 needs 4GB total as well).

@van0tot100 3 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline Thanks. Did you ever manage to replace the fans? It didn't work for me. I have ordered another X58 board instead for my processor. The noise was unbearable, and I ruined too many fans for this project.

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

I use the original fans. A bit noisy but, when you install 4 of them, you can use the 'reduced acoustics' option in the BIOS, then the fans will run slower. Might still be too noisy for most people, but I don't mind as long as it's not resonating or anything. Some older computers were more noisy (mostly those old harddrives) than the fans of the Proliant, so Im kinda used to that ;)

@chrismediachannel1812 Жыл бұрын

You can take an GTX 1650 Super and use a adapter with two molex plugs. The ML350 have at the NT Backplane a GPU Connector. But you must use a expensive cable.

@Nemesizzonline Жыл бұрын

A GTX 1650 Super should indeed be possible with the molex adapters (power consumption is low enough to safely use those). However, over here at least, the 1650 Super is way too expensive or not available (the ones available still got the 'mining bubble' pricing ). The 6-pin power cable is indeed available, but I never managed to actualy find one (aside from the fake imitation ones, but those are not safe), and IF there is actualy one, it's overly expensive, easier to use (proper quality) molex > 6-pin adapter. I however actualy bought a non-super variant of the GTX 1650 and placed it in the Proliant (just for fun, see if it could run games properly) and it works like a charm. Bit 'cripled' by the 8-lanes and gen 2 PCI-e slot, but it ran stuff suprisingly well (shot some footage of it, but ran into some issues while editing it, might upload it... later).

@chrismediachannel1812 Жыл бұрын

I had paid 160 €

@Nemesizzonline Жыл бұрын

After your comment I tried to find a 1650 Super, but the only prices / shops that popped up were from Amazon Marketplace (usualy from a scam seller) and they were around 275 to 285 euro. Other (legit) shops only have the normal GTX 1650, and they range between 160 to 290 euro (the 290 are the 'old' GDDR5 models or the low-profile models). When I bought mine it was around 180 euro (bit expensive, but I was afraid they would go out of stock and few months before they were still around 300 euro because of that crypto-mining craze).

@chrismediachannel1812 Жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline I bought my card for two years.

@naimkevin1583 4 жыл бұрын

Hello, I have the same server and I would like to make some modifications to transform it into a gamer 1. remove it from the rig 2. add a certified 850w 3. add a Dual x5670 4. change to 24gb ram 1333 5. add a gt1030 or Rx580+ 8gb 6.Convert passive dissipation to active 7.Add a sound card I don't know much about it so I would like to know if this whole budget is correct What should change? Thank you.

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Weirdly enough your comment just showed up today in my inbox (even though it's a week old). Anyway, converting a Proliant in a gaming rig is possible, however, it might not be the best experience. The machines can be quite noisy, and power consumption (though not extreme) is quite a lot higher than more modern PC's. With the CPU's you need to make sure the motherboard supports the 5600 series, not all ML350 G6's do (unfortunatly, they don't mention that on the site of HP). If you have a 5600 series now, then it should work, if not, there is a chance 5600 series might not work (there are, 4 or so motherboard revisions, and 2 of them do not support 5600 Xeons only the 5500 series). The only PSU's you can use are HP proprietary ones, don't think they have a 850W version. I currently have a 750W, but even at full load (so both CPU's full load, GPU, and fans to max) it should use around 400W max. GPU for gaming, maybe look for a GTX 1650 (the non-super version), it's pretty much the fastest GPU on the market without the need of an extra power connector. The 1030 is a bit...weak, and the RX580 needs a lot of power (and the PCI-e power cables for Proliants are hard to come by, and are only 6 pin and RX580 needs 8-pin). Don't expect to get the same experience in games as with a modern desktop PC. The CPU's in these Proliants are old, and work fine with multi-thread loads, but most games don't benefit from it that much (6 cores is the sweetspot with games, few exceptions, but most games do not benefit from more), so 12 cores 24 threads isn't going to help much.

@YaFunklord 4 жыл бұрын

I just put in a cheap GT 1030 and have maxed out CPU and RAM, it can run many games at 4k! :) Seems like many games are more CPU-bound nowadays...

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Depends a bit on the game, some games can use multi-threaded CPU's , others don't use more than 2 or 4 threads and then these older CPU's tend to get behind compared to modern ones. At 4K, the bottleneck usualy shifts from CPU to the GPU. You could see this in many reviews/benchmarks when they ran game benchmarks on high-end GPU's with a variety of CPU's. Quite some games ran almost at the same fps at 4K (margin of error differences maybe). At lower resolutions (well, relative low, 1080P or less), the CPU usualy becomes the bottleneck, and especialy these older CPU's, or CPU's with lower IPC, will become a bottleneck and you see greater difference in framerates. Still, it's a fun experiment, and I do wonder how well the Proliant would do if I managed to put my GTX1070 in it :P (bit hard with the power connectors).

@YaFunklord 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline I checked for the power cable HP part number, and it seems almost impossible to find anywhere. And sure, it's easy to make one yourself if you know the pinout, but I won't risk bricking this old machine if I make mistake. And judging from experience, the cooling around the card section is subpar at best.

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

The power cable is indeed very hard to find (the official HP one that is). Did see some for the DL360 G6, but... not sure if the pin-out (the part that goes into the powerboard) is the same, so not gonna risk it. The 4pin molex to 6-pin PCI-e adapter I would only use if a card is just above 75W (used a 90W GeForce 9600GT before), but not on a card a power requirement way beyond that. Airflow in the lower part of the case isn't perfect, however, I think it is still better than some modern 'gamer' cases on the market. There is a lot of open space there, so a GPU can still 'breathe' a bit freely, unlike some very tight packed PC cases. Powering a powerful (or power hungry) GPU would need a external power supply. Like a normal PSU that you manualy power on with a paperclip (or one of those 'PSU tester' thingies that you can put on the 24 pin connector), but then you would need the sidepanel open which is bad for airflow.... but then, just for a test run... why not? :P

@kunalagon 4 жыл бұрын

and how about changing CPU ? Would it work with other cpus or it is fixed by hp somehow. Mine have Xenon E5620, and there is Intel Xeon X5680. Power is diferent , E5620 is 70W and X5680 is 130W

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

The X5680 is not on the cpu support list, so I dare not say if it will work or not. The machines is build for CPU's up to 95W TPD, with turbo that might be a bit stretched to 110W maybe. A 130W TDP cpu is quite a lot above that, with turbo it might hit 140W or more during load and that might cause problems (mostly for the VRM's I think, there is no heatsink on those, and though high quality, I fear that 130W is too much). And also, OEM machines can be quite picky with CPU support, if it's not on the list chances are quite high the BIOS will not recognize it and not boot (unknown CPU > failsafe > doesn't boot). The X5675 is the fastest cpu on the supportlist (with 95W tdp). Good thing is, you have a board that supports the Xeon 5600 series (considering you already have a E5620), some board revisions do not.

@kunalagon 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline according to passmark, x5675 is twice as fast as e5620, so i am wondering if it is worth puting that cpu

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

If it's worth the upgrade depends on the usercase. The X5675 has a higher clockspeed (so even in single threaded programs it will be a bit faster than the E5620), but it also has 2 more cores (2 cores 4 threads), so in multithreaded applications it will be much much faster. These socket 1366 Xeons might be old, but the hexacores still give i5 hexacores and first gen Ryzen (like the 1600) a run for their money being nearly as fast (especialy in a dual-cpu configuration). That is ofcourse, if programs scale well with more cores and threads.

@davidcarriontorre 3 жыл бұрын

¿what software are you using to monitor temperature on CPU, Memory....?

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

HWMonitor from CPUID. Freeware program that works on most machines and is usualy quite accurate with it's readings.

@VinayJhinkoe 4 жыл бұрын

Do you have to enable something in the bios, because i tried with a firepro v4800 and a gt730 and i still get no video out

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

With the 2 Proliants I have, I didn't had to change anything in the BIOS. You can change settings, but for me it automatically picked up the GPU and used that instead of the onboard video chip. You have to use the top PCI-e 16x slot (it has only 8 lanes, but should be enough for simple videocards considering bandwith). You can visualy check if the slot isn't damaged (bend pins or anthing), and that there is no dust in there. Especialy when the slot hasn't been used for years, it's easy for dust to get in there and prevent the GPU pins from making proper contact. Also you have to make sure (in case of the FirePro) that it's a PC version of the card and not a Mac card. Mac cards have different BIOS versions on the card and most likely won't work in 'normal' PCs.

@VinayJhinkoe 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline that firepro was in a dell server and it worked perfectly. I do get a video output now on the gt730 after i installed all drivers but the bootscreen and startup is still coming from the onboard vga

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes manufacterers add custom firmware to the BIOS of 'their' components, suchs as harddrives, GPU's, etc. I know that Dell laptops have custom firmware and that their MXM GPU's usualy don't work in other branded machines. Not sure if they did the same with their server/workstation hardware, but isn't uncommen. Just like the Mac/PC BIOS on certain GPU's. Anyway, there are options in the BIOS to choose what the onboard and/or dedicated GPU should do. I turned off the onboard chip when I used the dedicated GPU (onboard GPU drivers are...crappy to say the least, and it costs more performance than it adds). Some monitors also do not support certain resolutions (BIOS POST screen is usualy a low resolution, and the first few seconds usualy blank and certain monitors go to standby if a screen is black too long). I got a few screens as well that are too slow and/or do not support low resolutions and you can't see a POST screen (screen 'wakes up' during the loading of the operating system). The graphics cards I've used all were able to show a POST screen (if I used a correct monitor that responds quickly enough), Gefore 9600GT, GT730 and GT710.

@johnsmith8942 5 жыл бұрын

Hello Sir, i found one on the street, it is missing pieces and i am attempting a rebuild. could you point me in directions of information around this server, and what i as a technological noob can do with it?

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

Well, that's a tricky one. For starters, a lot of information can be found on the HP website. That includes part numbers of the parts in the server itself. Most parts are proprietary (if I spelled that correctly), meaning only those HP parts fit. Depending on what parts are missing, it can be quite costly to fix it (and there might be a good reason why someone put it on the street, maybe it was broken already). Sometimes it can be something small but costly, a lot of these servers are 'thrown away' because something like the powerboard has broken (small board where the power supplies connect into). Those parts are usualy expensive and for a lot of people reason to ditch these machines. Also, if something like the motherboard is broken, it's usualy too expensive as well to get it fixed. In some cases, with a broken motherboard or powerboard, it's almost cheaper to find a 2nd hand functional server, than to get a replacement part.

@CHIRAG2779 2 жыл бұрын

I have hp proliant ml110 g7 , but display is not working. So please help me how to solve this problem

@Nemesizzonline 2 жыл бұрын

It's hard to tell since I don't have your machine physically here. Like normal PC's it could be anything from a defective part or something as simple as a dead battery (CMOS battery). If you mean that you added a GPU, but it's not working, it could be that it's not compatible. Some of the modern GPU's only work with UEFI systems, while others work with both UEFI and the old 'legacy BIOS'. Machines from the G6 (like I have) or G7 (about same era) don't always work with UEFI only parts. It at times depends if the manufacterer (of the GPU) made the card able to handle UEFI ánd legacy BIOS, and unfortunatly it's not clear which do and which don't.

@user-to7jm3wg8o 3 жыл бұрын

hi I have ml150 gen9 and I add gtx1050 ti don't work you use Windows server??? or Windows 10 pro? please help

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

The ML150 G9 does support PCI-e GPU's, however it depends on a few things if it will work or not. First of all, with only 1 CPU, the top PCI-e slots don't work (as they are connected to CPU 2, if it's not there, they don't work). Using a GPU with only 1 CPU, means you have to use the lower PCI-e 16x slot (there should be 2 on the mainboard, the lower one is for CPU 1). Even if you do have 2 CPU's installed, it's still recommanded to use the bottom slot, as usualy most mainboards will try to find a GPU on the lower numbered slot. And ofcourse, make sure you connect the monitor to the GPU and not the onboard connector. It also may take a little longer for the machine to boot after installing a GPU as it does more checks the first time (and may not display something on screen during that time). You can also check (before installing the PCI-e GPU) that the BIOS settings are correct (that it is allowed to use PCI-e graphics instead of onboard only). The Windows versions I used didn't matter, ran Windows 7 Pro, and Windows 10 Pro, and both worked fine.

@oswaldoluizalvesfilho9018 4 жыл бұрын

I just inherited a ML370 G6, do you know if I can use the exact same solution? or do you suggest something different? Thank you!

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Adding a GPU and soundcard should be the same as with the ML350. They are very simular except the ML370 has the expansion slots in the top of the chassis (in case of a ...tower case). For the GPU, make sure you pick a slot that has 8 lanes (not sure if the ML370 has 16, the ML350 doesn't). Some slots have full length (16x slot) but only have 4 lanes (x4 speed). Soundcard doesn't matter which slot you use.

@oswaldoluizalvesfilho9018 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline Thanks!!! when I get it done I will come to tell the results.

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Alright, good luck :)

@matiascorrea9565 2 жыл бұрын

@@oswaldoluizalvesfilho9018 it works? greetings

@gabriel21501 5 жыл бұрын

have the same machine with 2 Xeon X5675 and a Rx 580 8Gb, can you tell me some way to make fans slow?

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

You need at least 3 (and I believe with dual CPU even 4) fans in the system. Then there should be an option available in the BIOS with 'Reduced Acaustics' (might have the spelling wrong). Then the fans should be somewhat less noisy, but it will still ramp up from time to time if the CPU hits around 65 to 70 degrees Celcius. However, the X-series Xeon have a bit higher power consumption (Im using the E-series), so that might also be a reason why the fan speed remains higher. But the fans will never go realy silent like normal desktop PC's do.

@mamdouh-Tawadros 5 жыл бұрын

I Have a similar system on Z800 workstation (has an added feature of possible 6pin power line) and hits easily1500 of Cinebench R15.

@matiasperez8622 4 жыл бұрын

How to connect the 6-pin connector? As it seems, there is no connector on the HP proliant ml350 g6. I am very interested because I am preparing something for my son who is a gamer and I want to install the best gpu that he supports. I've got a server like that and I want to try this. Thanks a lot

@van0tot100 3 жыл бұрын

You can replace the fans with quieter (and weaker ones), but you need to be careful with the wiring. Just Google, there are other folks that have done this successfully. Make sure you also cool the areas below the CPU slots, as they have sensors that will be triggered if that part gets too warm. You may have errors then or worse. But generally, the stock fans are much more powerful than needed.

@dwidinaheriyanto3207 2 жыл бұрын

I use ML350E gen 8 v2, but when i used gtx1050ti, its not work..

@Nemesizzonline 2 жыл бұрын

The ML350 G8 is a bit different than the G6, as the PCI-e lanes of a G8 come from the CPU and not like the G6 from the chipset. So if your G8 for example has 1 CPU, and the GPU is in the PCI-e slot connected to the 2nd CPU socket (and it's empty) it won't work. So you could try if the card works in another PCI-e slot (connected to CPU 1). If the system does have 2 CPU's, it's still worth trying to see if it works in another PCI-e slot. Some models of the GTX1050ti are a bit different than the original (or stock) GTX1050 with their powerdraw. Normaly it would use 75W from the PCI-e slot and about 25-ish W from a 6-pin PEG connector. However, some manufacterers (MSI for example) have their powerdraw differently and draw about 90W from the PEG connector and hardly anything from the PCI-e slot. That can at times cause some problems with some systems. You could also check settings in the BIOS if there is an option so it can use PCI-e graphicscards. Some may be set to only use onboard graphics. Unfortunatly I do not have a ML350 gen 8 myself, so can't check that out myself.

@jmaxthebest 4 жыл бұрын

thx for this video . i just order 730 gt pcie 2 8X hope will work . i looking to tried remote fx with hyper v . thx

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. A Geforce 730 should work, got one in my other ML350.

@jmaxthebest 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline juste receive my GPU 1h ago its work perfectly :) sadly my cpu dont support SLAP for remotFX but the gpu still work great but only on PCI 8x port not on 16x port .. dont care its work :)

@divine6401 3 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline would a GTX 980 work?

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

It should work. Searching around a bit, people got cards like Radeon 480's and GeForce 980Ti's to work in a Proliant so I guess it should work. Might depend a bit if the videocard itself can handle both Legacy BIOS and UEFI (some 'modern' cards only support UEFI and might not work in older machines like the G6 Proliant). Getting the power connectors for the card might be a bit tricky though, as the Proliant doesn't have PCI-e power connectors (or at least they very hard to come by and are only 6-pin and I think a Geforce 980 needs an 8 pin).

@lemtechnologyweb 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Nemesizzonline, congratulations, very good video tutorial. But I'm not sure it will work for my old ML350 G5. Please could you give me a recommendation regarding sound and video cards for my old ML350 G5. I would greatly appreciate your help.

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

Someone else had the same question about the G5 version. And it apears, that it's pretty much 'just as easy' as the G6, only exception is, you have to drill open the backside of the PCI-e slot with a tool (dremel or something) because it's a physical PCI-e 8x slot, where as the G6 has a physical PCI-e 16x slot (even though, only 8 lanes). At your own risk ofcourse, but other than that, the G5 should accept GPU's and soundcards just fine (maybe not the more modern ones, like GeForce 900/1000/2000 series / Radeon 200/300/400 etc, but the older ones should work just fine). Or go with a PCI-e 1x GPU, but those are quite hard to find, might be some PCI-e 8x cards as well, but also rare, so most people who want a GPU in a G5 drill out the backside of the PCI-e slot so PCI-e 16x cards fit in (half the connector sticks out, but that doesn't matter, it will run at PCI-e 8x speeds).

@bastianW 2 жыл бұрын

Here (www.admin-enclave.com/en/articles/windows/491-windows-2012-driver-for-hp-proliant-ml350-g6.html) is a collection from known GPUs which seamed to be known as working if required ;-)

@rjulianc 4 жыл бұрын

I used the same ml350 and msi gt710 but no display coming out the gt710 hdmi or vga. display still coming out of the onboard vga port. is there a switch that i need to do to get the display coming out of the graphics card? may be in bios?

@rjulianc 4 жыл бұрын

nevermind I've figured it out

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

In case someone sees this in the future: Yes, there are BIOS options to use the PCI-e GPU, onboard GPU, and which one is primary and secondary. Mine switched automaticaly to the PCI-e GPU once I inserted it, but it doesn't hurt to check the BIOS settings if display doesn't pop up.

@van0tot100 3 жыл бұрын

@@rjulianc Can you share your solution?

@rjulianc 3 жыл бұрын

@@van0tot100 as @nemesizzonline pointed out, there is a bios settings to switch to pci e gpu.

@rbaleksandar 3 жыл бұрын

I need to check how such an upgrade would work with the G9.

@Nemesizzonline 3 жыл бұрын

I think it should work just as fine. Only thing to take in account in the case of a single-cpu setup, is that not all PCI-e slots are active. But other than that, it should work just as fine on the G9.

@rbaleksandar 2 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline I actually got my hands on a decent Gen8. The issue now is to find a good quality graphic card support kit (the weird 6-to-8 pin cable). Original cables are very difficult to come buy and are really expensive (can go up to $200-300). I want to actually add a Quadro (with a GPU passthrough for a virtual machine that will handle video editing) and a Tesla (for getting into CUDA and updating my knowledge in AI and computer vision stuff). Worst case I will have to go with something like your GPU but I would like to get something beefier. It's a pain in the ass how cheap you can get these machines but spare parts suck the fun out of owning one. LOL

@Nemesizzonline 2 жыл бұрын

@@rbaleksandar Yeah, it's kinda weird (and anoying) that some spareparts are so extremely expensive. At times it's almost cheaper to get another machine and get parts out of that one, than buy a single part (heatsink, or one of those plastic airducts). And yeah, those PCI-e power cables are realy hard to come by for some reason. And it's a bit unclear if they are the same for different servers (at times you see some PCI-e power cables for the Proliant DL series...but are they the same as for the ML series? Can't find any documentation that can clear that up). At times that is the downside of proprietary parts. Sure it works brilliantly, but at times very hard to come by and overly expensive.

@charlesmedcalf4180 5 жыл бұрын

Not sure if will get answered but I have a motherboard for this system and I have been trying to get it to work but I haven't had any luck. Does anyone know where I could be going wrong?

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

These serverboards do act differently than normal desktop PC boards. There are more protective features, if something is wrong, it won't boot for example. If you don't have the fans connected, it won't boot. To power the board you need a powerbackplane (power supply connects to the backplane, and the backplane then is connected to the mainboard). I wouldn't recommand try to build a system with a few parts, but only go with a full system (if that makes any sense :P) . It's not like a normal PC, you grab a few parts and build a PC, these server machines (not just HP), tend to use proprietary parts and usualy won't function (properly) without certain parts. And even, if you somehow manage to get it to work with non-official parts, systemboot (before anything gets on the screen) can take up 30 to 50 seconds easy (pre-POST initialization).

@charlesmedcalf4180 5 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline fair enough, I don't think I'll be able to track down an empty case and the all the proprietary parts to get it to boot. It's a shame but that it can't just boot regardless of what is/isn't attached to the board. I'll probably just sell it and cut my losses as soon as possible. Anyway, thanks for the replying

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

That's the down side of proprietary parts. Those mainboards and such are pretty much only usefull if you have a full system and need to replace a defective board or something. Building a server from scratch you usualy end up with brands like Supermicro or Tyan. Brands like HP, or Dell, tend to be all proprietary parts.

@herbertpenaloza2334 4 жыл бұрын

Do you know if the GT710 DDR5 works as well?

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

It should work. The chip is still the same, and GeForce 700 series and older tend to work fine and without problems. Newer ones cán give issues (UEFI/legacy BIOS), but looking at reactions I get, even those seem to work most of the time (GeForce 1000 series even). Sometimes you need to check the BIOS settings (if it's not set on onboard only), but the 2 Proliants I have just switched to the PCI-e GPU instead of onboard automaticaly.

@herbertpenaloza2334 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline Well, I thought mine was G6, but it is a G5. My bad. The pin array is different, so I have to look for an older GPU.

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah the G5 is a bit trickier, as it's PCI-e slot is physical 8x (the G6 has a physical 16x slot with 8 lanes, so it's easier to use GPU's as they usualy want a 16x slot regardless of the number of lanes available). And not sure if the G5 accepts all kinds of GPU's (haven't got a G5). There are smaller GPU's, using PCI-e 8x slots (physical) or even PCI-e 1x, but they are rare and hard to find. The G5 does have normal PCI slots (PCI-X, but normal PCI should fit as well), maybe there are some relative decent PCI GPU's available, should be better than the onboard chip anyway.

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

Did some more checking around, and it is possible to use normal PCI-e GPU's in the G5. The trick is, you need to cut open the backside of the PCI-e slot so a 16x card can fit in. Cutting it open is not without it's risks, and needs to be done very carefully (you can easily damage the pins inside the slot). Then a 16x card should just fit (get's very close to the chipset heatsink, but should be fine).

@justmitch4583 4 жыл бұрын

Hey i was just gifted ine if these is it any good

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

They are still quite capable machines. Ofcourse not as fast as an state of the art i9 or Zen2, but still able to run a lot of programs (especialy programs that benefit from multiple cores/threads).

@josiahbjertness1083 5 жыл бұрын

Has anyone figured out if this will work with Rtx cards?

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to know indeed. However, getting the power connectors connected will be an issue (the Proliant doesn't have PCI-e power connectors), adapters molex > pci-e are dangerous for high power cards, and even if all that was sorted out, the CPU's (though not bad) would bottleneck the card like crazy I guess. If I could get my hands on a RTX card I would defenitly try though :P (not likely to happen anytime soon...)

@707Yuko 5 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline I have msi GTX 750ti in this server (no addional power, take 60W) and work perfect (2x Xeon E5620, 2x 460W PSU), used for rendering (Vegas, Blender) and gaming. RTX can maybe fit in it, but it has very high power comsumption. In official documents to ML350G6 have pci-e x16 in this server max power draw 75W and another 75W is recomenndetd to take from PSU board (under the motherboard) where is needed cable PSU 10 pin to pci-e 8+6 pin. Max power of the gpu card (by offic. docs with psu -> pcie cable) is 150W, so at max specs it can handle maybe RTX 2060 (160W) or GTX 1070 (150W). Without overclocking and that RTX can be little underclocked or undervolted if it be used for render (ultra specs gaming) - gpu runs on maximum load for long time period. Original Instruction manual support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c02046503&docLocale=en_US with 6 pin cable In aliexpress/ebay can be found this cable or similar for DL g6 (i dont know if DL cable 10 pin physical connector is compatible with ML). (sorry for bad english if i something say wrong)

@Nemesizzonline 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for you comment. Very interesting to see that the ML350 G6 had a graphics adapter powerkit (cable). I knew that the G8 (and G9) version of the ML350 had one, but never knew there was one as well for the G6. I couldn't find those documents about that (that said, after the site overhaul, a lot of documents have gone 'missing' or links end up on 404 pages). I also think, that HP rather had people buying the Z600 and Z800 workstations rather than converting a Proliant to a graphic workstation (just a speculation, no real proof ofc). Even in the 2nd hand market, those Z600/800 workstations, though mostly same spec as a Proliant, are way more expensive. Again, thank you for your comment.

@707Yuko 5 жыл бұрын

@@Nemesizzonline thats truth with these Z800 and Z600, never proliants are even better to convert on workstations - they have 4 pci-e x16 connectors for gpus (g6 only one - its a pitty) Christmas is coming for you :D and another Hp ML350G6 users - Finally i find it (i have downloaded manuals back in time around July 2017) - i have this server at least two years :-) time is fast -User and Service and maintance can be found on google but here is complete package of manuals, i added bios manual which i find previously: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LbzL3oXgMUgCbjcsZNTgikJO2L3iUfJO?usp=sharing In user manual somewhere around page 82 is the gpu power cable, and somewhere in these manual are power limits of others pci-e (i think it is 25W, maybe it is shown on motherboard too) another very useful link - support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/km/product/3884318/Product#t=DriversandSoftware&sort=relevancy&layout=table&f:@kmswsoftwaretypekey=[swt8000194] - actual drivers and BIOS too - back in time and i think today is it same HP dont release BIOS updates to public (you cant download them if you dont have contract/warranty ...etc), but critical safety bios updates is public - as I just found out last is from 2018 (i have 2016, lots of searching back in time), so enjoy And to cooling that i read higher in this comments there are few types of bios/ilo behavior to cooling - lots of google about it 4 fans, no pci added card, 8sff sas cage connected - all 4 fans revs 1600 rpm as a basic speed in idle if you anything connect to pci-e, automaticlz speeds up to 2000 rpm as a basic fans speed - these speed you have to reach on optimal coolings (cant enable reduced acoustics because of 2 cpus and another reasons see in manual), if you have higher revs you have possibly older BIOS from time before 2013 and ilo 2.?? (i dont remember). on these older bios was server louder.

@Jarrizar 4 жыл бұрын

I use 2x x5672 cpus. They get 1050 in cbr15. Also I use a gtx 970 and 36gb of ram. Put a sata 3 and usb3 pcie cards in also.

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

That's a nice bit of hardware you got in there. Did you manage to get an original PCI-e power cable for the 970 or used converters (molex to PCI-e)?

@Jarrizar 4 жыл бұрын

I found a 10 pin to two 8 pin cable on ebay. Not sure if it's original. Also upgraded the power supply's to 750s from 460s. I use a 240gb a400 ssd and a 1tb wd blue. I changed all 4 fans. And removed the 2.5 drive bay to add an intake fan. Cut a hole in the side door and added a fan there too.

@Nemesizzonline 4 жыл бұрын

That's some interesting modifications you did there :P I checked for the original PCI-e power cable, which can be connected to the powerboard (behind the motherboard), but never could find one...or not for a reasonable price. For me it isn't that important, as the things I use the Proliants for the GT710 is just fine, but at times, just for some fun, it would be interesting to see what it could do with a high-end graphics card.

@Jarrizar 4 жыл бұрын

Cable is 15.99 on newegg.com. you must only use blower style gpu's though if you change the fans. The heat builds up in the case otherwise and it shuts off.

@van0tot100 3 жыл бұрын

@@Jarrizar How did you change the fans? It didn't work for me.