As a Slayer player these are good dreams for me. At least until I remember Zappa's 11f backdash with 10f invuln.

He needs it

They should really remove such abusables.

Sin's XRD backdash...

tendonitis gang, hope youre feeling better

@@ZeludeRose It's gotten much better and thankfully my current choice of fighting game (DBFZ) is pretty easy on the hands.

A dash macro is always helpful

I'm happy you never played Tekken. MvC has backdash canceling like Tekken. As a Tekken player I love it, if you don't have tendonitis you ain't playing fightan games

@@Guitar-Dog Yeah I would imagine korean backdash is just as bad for the left hand as plink dashing is for the right hand.

"The best defense is some damn good schmovement" -Sun Tzu, I think

I mean yea but I’d also rather have the flu over stage 4 lymphoma

@@minimonkeymasher8888 “just don’t get hit” -Obama

As long as the game was designed with it in mind, I am fine.

It completely changes how Charge-based characters can operate, that's a fact

Learning dash cancel combos in MKX was one of the most satisfying experiences for me.

The extra bit of focus needed to play older games is exactly whats missing from newer fighting games and is at the heart of what fgc boomers complain about. A little consistency here, a few streamlined options there and poof half the intensity of a final round last hit scenario is gone.

@@Mac_McBride it's like your actually focusing on fighting your opponent more than the game itself, crazy.

Me

I literally hate dashing normally so much it turns me off of other games

same.

I used to feel this way, idk I just got used to it after a while. Double tap inputs still suck ass imo but it isnt a big deal once you play for a while

Hes the first result when you google fgc boomer

Those existed in X4?

Yeah I get that. I think it's something you can get used to, Balrog in Street Fighter helped me with charge inputs because he still plays like a dumbass unga rushdown guy, so after spending a while with him I don't find them too tricky in general. It's like you just need a good context to get used to this stuff in I feel.

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Just change how the game works is not a good answer for implementing a quality of life option. If you read that thread he kind of makes a fool out of himself imo, whereas Mal is like "hey no matter if you do x or y you're gonna change the game a lot and that's not what we want" whereas Krackatoa is just like "who cares lol just change it".

But what if I want strong backdashes? Duh

@@sevennights6377 who cares lol just change it

It's no coincidence that I like dash macros and I've also been playing on hitbox for 12 years.

@@Krackatoa LMAO

...i dunno, is it? one is a different input tool some players choose, the second is a *new* system mechanic doesn't the system change alter a much more sensitive (❕) element of the meta?

@@Krackatoa king shit

I don't remember that specifically but I do know that in Super Turbo characters with charging super moves, like E. Honda, can input the super and then hold forward and press the P/K whenever to get the super. Don't remember why it worked but it's just another weird quirk of ST.

that's why i want a dash macro in BB 😎

naoto wouldn't even become that broken with a dash macro, since basically all of his dash cancel stuff in combos is doing stuff into sway xx dash, which has a pretty lenient buffer, at least by blazblue standards. The hard shit in that game is microdashes, which virtually the entire cast has to use if you want their optimal combos (and for some characters, even just their regular bnbs)

@@bobertbojo2 Naoto players would be able to mash dash macro + DP in blockstrings pretty easily, EnDP gives a full combo. This would completly break any kind of pressure and skew risk/reward towards Naoto heavily.

@@gigaturok No it wouldn't. That's not how Naoto works at all.

Naoto would just convert any button into 236C loops lol

This is a good argument for accessibility You can also retool a FG *entirely* by just having "run" be the default forward, and a short dash/step be for "tap forward"

I actually tried picking up +r slayer yesterday and learning hit box and back dash cancelling broke my hands.

It would also push him well over the top, the existing top tier primarily hold their grip on that status by virtue of their most powerful tools being relatively accessible. Testament doesn't need a lab monster of a pilot to hang back, set traps and confirm whether they need to hit 2S or 2H to counter the opponent's approach. Slayer on the other hand is intentionally kept in check by having his most game-breaking technique locked behind a high execution barrier. If someone like me could pick that shit up in 30 minutes, there'd be no point because the quick match queue would just be full of others doing the exact same thing. It'd still seem appealing at first since it'd at least be a change of pace, but I also bet it'd get boring as fuck to play both with and against real fast. tl;dr +R is beautiful because the advanced execution techniques within are the only things preventing it from becoming a solved game. Take those out and it'd end up like so many sticks of chewing gum, doomed to lose their flavor and be discarded once there's nothing left to enjoy.

@@HS_Gomikubi I don't think 'High execution barriers is the reason the game is good' is a fair point in this case. It ignores the fact that the opponent has easier execution too. As far as difficulty all it would do is raise the ceiling on humanly possible combos and lower the floor on execution barrier. The real problem is that it would make certain characters extremely easy to learn compared to the rest of the cast. The ease of entry for new players would skew character choice significantly. It also changes how some moves work so certain characters have whole *ss combos that they can just DO now.

I didn't say the execution barrier was the reason the game is _good,_ I said that's something that helps keep it from approaching the point of being solved. Can a solved game still be good? Sure, Super Turbo has the occasional tourney stream and a fightcade scene just like anything else even after all these years. But you know what it doesn't have anymore? Innovators, people coming up with new ways to approach decades-old problems for which the existing answers cannot be argued against. That said, while I'll admit calling execution the _only_ reason might be a bit much I'd still rather +R not be in such a rush to follow the footsteps of it's foremost predecessor. Dash macro might not singlehandedly push it over that edge, but it's indicative of a slippery slope just the same.

They should remove that abusable.

good catch!

I'm not in this camp, but I here this so much. I'm not surprised tbh, it's pretty nice to have.

me, a nago main:

Where do you keep your dash macro on kb? I have it on shift for me, and space bar is my RC button

@@marvinzimmerman1878 shift for dash, spacebar for rc. So exactly like you

@@7associationfaust woah that's sick! Who do you main?

@@marvinzimmerman1878 Faust

All it would do for Slayer would make his defense more consistent. It's not like he's balanced for people not to be able to play him consistently; his pseudo-link timings are much more of an execution barrier for non-masters.

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You couldnt get iad mat in xrd but still felt too prideful to use a dash macro in strive?

iad tatami or kire tatami? These two are different things

@@Magibatproductions it wasn't a pride thing as much as the thought just didn't cross my mind with xrd lol (my first fg). Then with strive I just assumed it'd be easier to stick to double tap forward 😅

@@Stock090 iad tatami. I uh... did not know the difference until searching kire tatami lol. But ty for pointing that out!

Why do righthanded players even use the stick with their left hand lmao

@@hirotrum6810 It's like how guitar players strum with their left. I did try movement with my right the other day on keyboard and it was a big no-go. Way too hard coded

@@octozed What? I'm right-handed and I strummed with my right when I played GH. If you're left handed you strum with your left, that's why lefty mode has the green button on the right.

every modern fighting game has an input buffer these days, expecting SF6 to play like SF4 with zero buffer on normals is silly

@@whatthefluck13 Never said that. Just not with constant universal 5F. It's fine to use buffer for certain things, even SF4 had a super lenient 8f buffer for reversals, more than V. But I don't want constant 5F buffer that affects every single aspect of gameplay. No other FG does that to that extent.

@@whatthefluck13 SF4 is hot garbage so if SF6 was like that at all that's a no buy baby

interesting 😯

Oh yeah steam big picture mode let's you set up crazy macros for basically any input right? I remember messing with it for gyroscopic aim in shooters.

@@octozed You can macro whatever. No sequential macros but I can put P+K+Back for a instant FD off a single button. In another game like Metal Gear Rising the dodge required you to use light attack and jump at the same time. Created a macro for that.

Literally just push two buttons. Not hard.

@@mallow2902 Just push 2 buttons, then the game just compute one button and you get countered

@@JaquetaoSlayer improve your consistency yourself, don't ask the game to do the work for you.

@@mallow2902 yes i will try to improve my consistency, it will solve the problem caused by UE4 input lag.

​@@JaquetaoSlayer The input lag doesn't impact your ability to press two buttons at the same time. And there's 2-3f leniency for pressing both buttons together for FD. It's not hard.

It's fine that it's in Strive, it's fine that it's in Marvel, and it's fine that other games don't have it, but not every single game, even ones going forward, needs it. It's not wrong for a game to require mastery of difficult techniques.

@@mallow2902 This isn't an argument of difficulty, it's an argument of "people with medical issues shouldn't be restricted from playing a game they would otherwise enjoy because" As I said, you can't just add it to old games, but new games should work to be accessible

@@scarletnoct5807 so new games have to pigeonhole themselves into design philosophy that always accommodates dash macros? I disagree. This is the problem with neutering execution requirements in fighting games as it limits how a game can be designed or balanced. The fact is that not every game is going to be for everyone, video games or otherwise.

@@mallow2902 It's not an argument of "neutering execution requirements" this isn't for people that won't play fighting games, this is for people who would like to but have medical issues that prevent them from doing so

@@scarletnoct5807 there are fighting games that are geared towards those players though, but I'd rather not see the entire genre take the simplification route, because I and many others enjoy the execution aspect of fighting games.

KOF?

@@blade_serenade3333 that is not an anime fighter at all but I do enjoy it! Probably the only modern fighting game I've liked alongside Tekken.

@@draconitix1157 maybe i'm just ignorant but what anime games are super complex? Dont most have autocombos, relatively simple combo structure, etc. I didnt really start playing anime games till Xrd and bbtag

@@blade_serenade3333 Guilty gear +r/xrd, mbaacc, uniclr, bbcf are some examples of older to more recent anime fighters that are super deep with higher execution and more character complexity. To my knowledge p4au was the first anime fighter to reduce input complexity and have auto combos, but it managed to find character depth still and still had some hard combos.

I feel the same but i think something like that will happen in a few years when people get tired of this current trend of making everything easier and more "neutral" focused. At first i had fun with some of these newer takes on the genre but nowadays i only play +R lol.

Fanatic yes.