Addressing the deconstruction movement with Frank Turek!

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Alisa Childers

9 ай бұрын

The word "deconstruction" is used in many ways. However, there is a whole movement behind this word whose aim is to get rid of Christianity in the name of "freedom." In this video, Frank Turek and I give our perspectives on this issue.
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@sandyhicks4793
@sandyhicks4793 9 ай бұрын
Recently a priest who’s also a licensed therapist told me “everyone deconstructs along their faith journey.” I disagree. I think every believer goes through ups and downs, through periods where they struggle with doubts, but most do not reject Christ outright and turn the other way. Most press in to find answers. Deconstructing is a modern term for what we used to call backsliding.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
I found many many answers. It's not backsliding, it's seeing things in a new more honest way. It's really about the truth, ironically. No more excuses.
@753131hs
@753131hs 9 ай бұрын
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessrcan you explain the “new more honest way”?
@theluckystoveshow
@theluckystoveshow 9 ай бұрын
Yes! Backsliding. That's it. 👏 👏 👏 👏
@sandyhicks4793
@sandyhicks4793 9 ай бұрын
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr what people who are truly deconstructing are doing is not finding answers. They are leaving Christianity and Christ, sometimes for years, sometimes forever. And they take others with them…especially many of those who are also in a season of doubt who the deconstructing person might have spiritual influence over. Yes, it’s backsliding.
@sandyhicks4793
@sandyhicks4793 9 ай бұрын
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr but I get what you mean about “seeing things in a new, more honest way”…. perhaps someone let’s go of harmful “religious” beliefs that aren’t actually rooted in the truth of scripture. That’s would be called maturing in Christ, not deconstructing. The deconstructing trend here as the video discusses it is people who at one time followed Christ choosing to create their own path to God, their own “truth.” As long as seeing things in a new more honest way lines up with the truth of God’s word… that’s not deconstructing, that’s growing in Truth.
@TonyC0101
@TonyC0101 8 ай бұрын
This was awesome, and I definitely needed to hear this! Alisa, ZOEgirl introduced me to you, but your faith-journey over the last 20+ years keeps me listening to you.
@clm3436
@clm3436 9 ай бұрын
We correct with gentleness and with respect❤️🙏✨
@samdanner6806
@samdanner6806 9 ай бұрын
Alisha Childers, your ministry is what I have needed now in my senior years since getting saved in 1973 with my Jesus generation. Love Song and Chuck Girard.
@leonlsan5093
@leonlsan5093 8 ай бұрын
You don't need her channel or Frank but these guys instead: Martin Zender, Scott Hicko, Faith Ignitor and Biggest Jesus for starters.
@samdanner6806
@samdanner6806 8 ай бұрын
@@leonlsan5093 I have never heard of these guys.
@LennyCash777
@LennyCash777 4 ай бұрын
Check out Shepherd's Chapel.
@RainbowMan.
@RainbowMan. 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful!! 😻
@jeffphelps1355
@jeffphelps1355 9 ай бұрын
In the last days there will be a falling away. This is biblical. To be expected
@highroller-jq3ix
@highroller-jq3ix 4 ай бұрын
Do you mean the "last days" that have been transpiring for over two millennia?
@KRashad
@KRashad 9 ай бұрын
“Christianity is not Christians. Christianity is Jesus!” -Frank Turek 💥
@bearlh40
@bearlh40 8 ай бұрын
Nope. What you assume is Christianity is actually Paulianity. Paul won. Jesus lost.
@KRashad
@KRashad 8 ай бұрын
@@bearlh40 I hesitate to ask, but please explain?
@bearlh40
@bearlh40 8 ай бұрын
@@KRashad Early Christianity had nothing to do with there teaching of Paul. He changed Christianity into something Jesus wouldn't even recognize. There's plenty of biblical research and that addresses this. Google It.
@KRashad
@KRashad 7 ай бұрын
That statement makes 0 sense @@bearlh40
@bearlh40
@bearlh40 7 ай бұрын
@@KRashad ... until you do just a little bit of study on biblical history.
@ry2yb
@ry2yb 9 ай бұрын
That was so good!
@Mr.biggstrength
@Mr.biggstrength 9 ай бұрын
That was Excellent
@mathieuguillet4036
@mathieuguillet4036 9 ай бұрын
Excellent points.
@orangehillcomics7830
@orangehillcomics7830 9 ай бұрын
Does Frank still back Andy Stanley?
@iczerman
@iczerman 3 ай бұрын
Very good @ 3:20.
@marcavus1
@marcavus1 6 ай бұрын
Problem with deconstruction for the Evangelical Christian is that if it is possible for a person to honestly be construct that would mean there's such a thing as a non-resistant unbeliever or even a non-resistant form of believer I am one of those. We do exist
@aaronharlow2137
@aaronharlow2137 2 ай бұрын
Decontruction is simply throwing away the map you're using for a road trip and depending entirely on your own sense of direction.
@EBM1966
@EBM1966 9 ай бұрын
Blessings to all. I follow a young woman that calla herself jezebel something or the other. What she does is that she 5:01 criticizes the Bible stories but does not make any concrete arguments. I answered that she should read Frank Turek and then she answered with a youtube video trying to take apart Dr. Turek’s teachings. She has thousands of followers that agree with her and have said that Dr. Turek’s PhD is from an “degree-mill” that will give out seminarian degrees to anyone. I am so saddened how these people just go-along and do not fact-check her but took the time to fact-checked Dr. Turek. Naturally she was a Christian that ran into Romans 9 and decided that God is just some narcissistic monster that created us to send some to hell and some to heaven according to the passage.
@highroller-jq3ix
@highroller-jq3ix 4 ай бұрын
It's true. Turek's degree is right up there with Kent Hovind's. He has a degree in being a flim-flam demagogue.
@EBM1966
@EBM1966 3 ай бұрын
@@highroller-jq3ix Absolutely-they are just handing them out! I am going to get one too and the university said that it’s as easy as pie to get it - Pretty sure you know the process. BLESSINGS TO YOU!
@readthebible7429
@readthebible7429 9 ай бұрын
One of the biggest problems in Christianity is the doctrine of atonement. I suggest this book, "Atonement and Reconciliation". It deals with the topic with serious textual, historical, and logical exegesis.
@davidmcgrath6507
@davidmcgrath6507 9 ай бұрын
Nonsense
@highroller-jq3ix
@highroller-jq3ix 4 ай бұрын
@@davidmcgrath6507 Agreed. Christianity is nonsense.
@paulrivalto1974
@paulrivalto1974 9 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as deconstruction from being a true blood-bought, born-again, child of Jehovah God. One can deconstruct from religion, from denomination, from any organization yet, all true blood-bought, born-again, children of Jehovah God are sealed in Christ. Their salvation and eternal life are a gift given them in Christ! Then being Christ's and God's gift, then that gift can only be removed by Them. And Their promise is to never leave or forsake us. Deconstruction is for the religious, not for the child of God!
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
Deconstruction = Become your own god so you can continue to sin. To be saved according to the scriptures; you have to repent, believe and endure to the end. Yes, you are saved by grace and not works, but to actually BE saved from the get-go you first have to repent of your sins, believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and you need to endure to the end regardless of what life throws at you. If you are "out" and "no longer believe" then you were never saved to begin with, because your "repentance" was probably part of a church ritual, so you never really genuinely repented. You just repeated a script read out by the pastor. Secondly, you no longer believe or never really believed to begin with, so you are not or were not saved to start with. Thirdly, you are "out" by choice, so you never endured to the end. If any of the above conditions are missing then you were never saved to begin with. You just participed in a ritual. You never had a relationship with God to begin with. You never had a relationship with Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. To those people, Jesus said In Matthew 7:21-23: 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’. When Jesus said "I never knew you" He is clear that there was never a relationship to begin with. For those of you who know what a "red pill moment" is, this statement from Jesus is probably THE biggest red pill moment in the bible for people who think they are saved, but are not. What a frightening prospect!!
@truncated7644
@truncated7644 9 ай бұрын
No true Scotsman.... There are thousands of people living today who will tell you that they used to sincerely believe but now longer do. Why do you dismiss them all as deceived but believe a handful of pre-scientific, superstitious, uninformed middle-eastern religious zealots from 2,000 years ago?
@markdeduke606
@markdeduke606 9 ай бұрын
Christians are followers of Christ. That was where the name originated at the beginning of the early church
@SeeSawMassacre
@SeeSawMassacre 9 ай бұрын
Amen. That such a simple thing has become perverted and confused is a testament to the wickedness of modern times. Everything is being deconstructed, and all we're left with is rubble.
@davidnewland2461
@davidnewland2461 6 ай бұрын
I have come to believe it's a whole lot easier to call oneself a Christian than to be one I am incapable of believing in the Christian god,band yet I've been married over forty four years
@highroller-jq3ix
@highroller-jq3ix 4 ай бұрын
Why? Since "being" Christian takes seemingly illimitable forms, what makes it hard?
@LilySage-mf7uf
@LilySage-mf7uf 9 ай бұрын
The amazon book: *"Christian Apologetics Rebuttal"* By Kaylee Diamond Great for anyone considering deconstructing !!!
@keyofdestiny8477
@keyofdestiny8477 9 ай бұрын
2:40 by the standards of revolutionary socialism
@smilefrownupdown
@smilefrownupdown 3 ай бұрын
This is so disconnected and invalidating.
@acem82
@acem82 9 ай бұрын
There are 2 kinds of people in the world, hypocrites and psychopaths. Hypocrites know the right thing and don't do it. Psychopaths don't know the right thing and don't do it. There was one guy who did know the right thing and did it, but they hung him on a cross 2000 years ago. ...But he didn't stay dead!
@truncated7644
@truncated7644 9 ай бұрын
How do you know he lived a perfect life?
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
Deconstruction = Become your own god so you can continue to sin. To be saved according to the scriptures; you have to repent, believe and endure to the end. Yes, you are saved by grace and not works, but to actually BE saved from the get-go you first have to repent of your sins, believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and you need to endure to the end regardless of what life throws at you. If you are "out" and "no longer believe" then you were never saved to begin with, because your "repentance" was probably part of a church ritual, so you never really genuinely repented. You just repeated a script read out by the pastor. Secondly, you no longer believe or never really believed to begin with, so you are not or were not saved to start with. Thirdly, you are "out" by choice, so you never endured to the end. If any of the above conditions are missing then you were never saved to begin with. You just participed in a ritual. You never had a relationship with God to begin with. You never had a relationship with Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. To those people, Jesus said In Matthew 7:21-23: 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’. When Jesus said "I never knew you" He is clear that there was never a relationship to begin with. For those of you who know what a "red pill moment" is, this statement from Jesus is probably THE biggest red pill moment in the bible for people who think they are saved, but are not. What a frightening prospect!!
@stevenbatke2475
@stevenbatke2475 9 ай бұрын
I know you have to believe this to prove to yourself that you are right, but many former believers (myself included) did believe, did repent, did get baptized, did proclaim Jesus as their saviour. Just saying we didn’t actually believe, is laughable. You don’t know all our stories. So, maybe quit it with the gate keeping. It’s getting old.
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
@@stevenbatke2475 And your point is? You completed a ritual. That never meant it was genuine repentance. You were just looking for a "get out of jail free card" like millions of other fake Christians. You were never saved to begin with. By "no longer" believing you have committed the ONLY unforgivable sin. You have just validated my comment and the scriptures.
@stevenbatke2475
@stevenbatke2475 9 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir okay, if you say so. Curious, do you know for a fact that you will die a believing Christian?
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
@@stevenbatke2475 Yes. I love Jesus Christ. Without him I am nothing. I'm not like a leaf blowing in the wind looking for happiness and trying to avoid accountability. I have purpose and meaning and it doesn't change based on cultural or political whims.
@truncated7644
@truncated7644 9 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir I'm not a leaf or avoiding accountability. But I don't think a man named Jesus was God. I have purpose and meaning, and it changes over time. So what?
@anguschiggins2161
@anguschiggins2161 9 ай бұрын
Incidentally, everyone should watch those Frank/Hitchens debates. Christopher didn't put up with Franks nonsense. Frank thinks they went better than they actually did.
@hwd7
@hwd7 9 ай бұрын
I watched them and that's why I subbed to Cross Examined because Frank's apologetics are outstanding. Frank gave very plausible reasonable responses to Hitchens' casuistry.
@LindeeLove
@LindeeLove 8 ай бұрын
Turek needs a paycheck.
@paulsevers7740
@paulsevers7740 9 ай бұрын
the simple, direct truth about those who 'leave the faith' is that they were NEVER TRUE CHRISTIANS IN THE FIRST PLACE. [1 John 2 v19] - they adopted a persona for some ulterior motive but were never born again
@Micah7-8
@Micah7-8 9 ай бұрын
WAIT! Right off in the beginning what he says that Christianity is jesus. THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT. He was NOT a Christian nor a Jew, He was from the tribe of Judah!
@SeeSawMassacre
@SeeSawMassacre 9 ай бұрын
You're misunderstanding the spirit of that statement, and instead you're talking about the letter of it. What he's saying is that Christianity is centered around, and is entirely about, Christ Jesus. That's exactly what the Word of God tells us.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
The fact that people can be brought up to believe this, go weekly to hear a one sided reinforcing of it, have a death threat if they abandon it, and still question it off and on their whole life and need this kind of thing is pretty telling actually.
@kconnolly9464
@kconnolly9464 9 ай бұрын
I'm sorry if that was your experience. It certainly doesn't describe mine. Church may seem one-sided, but you're wading neck-deep in the other side all week, right? It's a blessing to get reoriented each week with Truth. Peace.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@kconnolly9464 I wouldn't say this was my experience. The rest of the week is NOT deconstruction content by Kristi Burke. The rest of the week is reality if that's what you mean.
@muxion
@muxion 9 ай бұрын
sounds like you got fooled by a cult, there are no death threats or punishments intrue churches who serve Jesus as Lord
@chachachachan
@chachachachan 9 ай бұрын
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Mathew 7:13-14
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@muxion no no no, it wasn't a threat made by the church. It was the threat made by Jesus. Do you go to a church that doesn't have hell as a doctrine? Sounds like a rare church, but cool if you found it.
@tims.449
@tims.449 8 ай бұрын
Frank is confusing me. Because if we are supposed to be good and an example of Christ that is supposed to lead ppl to Christ then says that we are all hypocrites, which is true BTW. True in the sense that we have heretical doctrines which make ppl think that but is not so. How is it that our examples are to show the reality of the need for Christ? We can not save anybody by being better than the nonbeliever. It comes across as holier than thou. How ppl come to faith is by hearing the gospel Rom.10 [17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. I think we'd be better off with good theology that declares, do not look at me, look at Christ. I am a sinner saved by grace. The apostle of the nations including Israel is Paul. Israel fell from grace but it is only temporary. Peter, John and James were the top apostles of Israel and the scripture says that those guys recognized Paul as such but they only to the nation of Israel aka the circumcsion. Circumcised per Moses commandments. But we are not under that rather we are under the instructions of Paul and he does have some commandments for us. So faith comes by hearing and understanding by the word of God rightly divided. Don't blame the composer of the music blame the violinist if the music is no good. BTW There were heresies in Paul's day as the bible was being written that found their way into the church and still are being taught.
@christophernash8166
@christophernash8166 9 күн бұрын
I find it annoying too when Christians leave the church due to wokeness, but I left the faith and am an athiest because I found so many passages in the Bible showing God is a genocidal maniac (just read Deuteronomy, Joshua, and Judges), God is okay with bruttal slavery (Exodus 21:21), God has no respect for women (Deuteronomy chapters 20-24), and God is fine with abortion and slaughtering of infants (Numbers chapter 5, Psalms 137:7-9, and every time God commands his people to slaughter cities it included children and infants). Some Christians argue God commanded his people dozens and dozens of times to slaughter pagans because they were evil, but I never understood why a loving God would want his own holy people to experience shame, guilt, and trauma for killing even innocent women, children, and infants. I mean, I'm not a pacifist, but I know soldiers who killed evil men even experience PTSD from their experiences. And in the case of the Bible, God commands the slaughters. These things led me to believe the God of the Bible isn't real. But, what led me to those passages I just mentioned is also realizing that there are so many corrupt people in the leadership of the church and God never disciplines them. Actually, they just get more blessed and by Christians who are naive. The Biblr says in two places in the New Testament that God disciplines those who are hia children and that he does this especially to church leaders being corrupt. I would ask God for years why he allowed such corruption to stand in the leadership of his churches. It took me years to walk away from God while I struggled with the passages I have mentioned ans when I left the faith, it wasn't joyous for me. It felt like a death. A death of God. But, a year or so later, I learned Stoicism and other philosophies to find joy in what I know can be true. I've been a full on athiest for seven years and I'm at peace. I dont put down Christians just for being Christian and look at their hearts and intentions. I dont even confront Christians with the views they have that I no longer believe. I just care about people being truly good people and they living a healthy life. For some, religion brings that. Most people need religion to escape nihilism. I'm not one of those people. I'm still just as kind and loving now as I was as a Christian. Some Christians get to know me and think I must be a Christian. Nope! I'm just kind.
@ashleighmiller4101
@ashleighmiller4101 9 ай бұрын
Alisa, I think y’all are misunderstanding what deconstruction is. It specifically has to do with the fundamentalist church. People who are deconstructing (most) have been subject to religious, emotional and physical abuse in the name of their parents Christian fundamentalists ideologies. In essence, they were subject to borderline extreme legalism that allows for no real connection between parent and child. These people have suffered abuse at the expense of ideologies very similar to yours. We should have more compassion and understanding for them instead of riding it off as “we’re all sinners” and “sorry you were abused by sinful people”
@paulrivalto1974
@paulrivalto1974 9 ай бұрын
@ashleighmiller4101 - If as you say: " It specifically has to do with the fundamentalist church." Then you are targeting religion not salvation and eternal life. Every true blood-bought, born-again, child of Jehovah God has an ever deepening relationship with God through Christ coupled with the confirming knowledge gained from scripture. John 17:3. This is what marks their eternal life in God through Christ. Church has nothing to do with that. Church, unfortunately, has become our end all be all of christian existence both by man's design and cultural tradition. Christ Himself formed His church from disciples not converts. Acts 11:26b says: And the disciples were first called christians at Antioch. Notice them being disciples first, then they did not call themselves; " little Christ's " ( Christians ), the name was called of them because they displayed Christ so well! All disciples of Christ Jesus are true blood-bought, born-again, children of Jehovah God, but, not every true blood-bought, born-again, child of Jehovah God is a disciple of Christ Jesus. For those have to be made and it is the direct command of Christ for us to make them. ( Matthew 28:18-20 ) So the question begs: what then is a disciple? Every true disciple of Christ Jesus is a World-Visionary, World-Impacting, Reproducing, Learner-Follower of Christ Jesus alone, denying self and taking up their cross daily to follow after Christ Jesus alone, while being a witness of Christ Jesus in their Jerusalem- their Neighbor, and in all of their Judea- their Near, and in their Samaria-their Neglected, and to the uttermost- their Next. (Matthew 28:18-20, Luke 9:23, Acts 1:8. ) Then the command to " make disciples of all nations " was given to answer the prayer to the Lord of the harvest to raise up workers for the fields ripe unto harvest. Matthew 9:37-38. Putting feet into ministry not just butts in pews! Also fulfilling Ephesians 4:11-13 - equipping the saints for the work of service to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. This was the normal operation of the church ( Greek word ekklesia- meaning " Called Out Ones " ) recorded in the book of Acts. They were simply being discipled, to become disciples who make still more disciples in Christ Jesus. Consequently History and the book of Acts records those disciples, ( christians ), taking the gospel good news to the whole known world of their day inside of 70 years from the Day of Pentecost. So after 2,000 years of religion, tradition, institution, organization, budgets, debt and technologies what then have we accomplished in all of our advantages? Fully 5,000,000,000 people on this planet whom have never, ever even heard one redemptive word of Christ Jesus. ( The Gospel ). Simply because we have not been obedient to " make disciples of all nations " - ( matheteusate ta ethne in the original Greek text ) ( multiply into all ethnicities or multiply and fill the earth. ) Jesus Himself gave us this truth: " If you love Me, you will obey My commandments. " John 14:15..... Well.....Do We?
@robwells5753
@robwells5753 9 ай бұрын
Alisha is a beautiful woman too
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
Proving that good exists does NOT prove the God of the Bible. That is a very specific God. Christians ALWAYS seem to jump from "higher power" equaling "God of the Bible" and it is a Big jump and they act like it's nothing. Also the God of the bible was pretty horrible.
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
The God of the bible is a just God. It was the people who were bad.
@stevenbatke2475
@stevenbatke2475 9 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-zo6irthe god of the bible condones chattel slavery, genocide, child sacrifice, etc.
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
@@stevenbatke2475 Im not sure of the point you are trying to make, but God carried out genocide with the floods of Noah. And he is going to do it again but this time with fire when Jesus returns.
@stevenbatke2475
@stevenbatke2475 9 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir so… is God good because he commits genocide, or is anything that God does “good” by default, because he does it?
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
@@stevenbatke2475 God IS love and he is a God of wrath. Unfortunately not enough is taught about the wrath of God.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
Is it in the name of freedom? I thought it was more in the name of truth and rational thinking. I suppose you're freed from being threatened with eternal torture. That's definitely a bonus.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@josephpchajek2685 I know you can choose to focus on the heaven part and not the eternal torture threat. But that doesn't make the eternal torture threat go away. It's there, and it's there to catch you if you ever get close to leaving. It's a control tactic, there when needed. If it's in the background for you now, it's because it's not needed at this time for you.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@josephpchajek2685 "you're walking in accordance with you see and experience and that is the judge of your reality." Yes yes yes that is so right. Walk by faith not by sight, right? Ultimately, Christianity is living in delusion. It's living in false hope. It's living in gaslighting. I thought it was about the truth, but it's not. Deny what you see. "Take every thought captive" was a favorite verse of my personal gaslighty narcissistic hardcore Christians. It's not about truth, it's about hope, and if hope is false, that's ok. Say you're an abuse victim. Submit and have hope!!! And forgive your abuser. Just have hope. Live in false hope and suffer for God.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@josephpchajek2685 He's telling us because he loves us. He also created hell and created the system. If you created a torture chamber in the basement and told people, obey me like a slave or you're going in the basement for the rest of your life. It's not a threat, it's a warning! And it's YOUR FAULT if you get sent there. Um no, you're the psycho. It's you. No no, it's just super important that you abandon yourself like an abuse victim and live for ME and tell me how great I am day and night. It's for your own good, I mean my ego. If you ever stop, into the basement you go. But I love you. Well I'm using you as my narcissistic supply. But I can manipulate you better if I say I love you. But I won't show it. But walk by faith that I do, not by sight! And if you ever question it, just remember that I brutally murdered my son, so see, I love you!
@SeeSawMassacre
@SeeSawMassacre 9 ай бұрын
You've proven the point. You have made up your own god, who does not warn people to save them from eternal punishment. We worship another God, whose Word is infallible and eternal.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@SeeSawMassacre You're presupposing that eternal punishment is definitely going to happen. What if there's nothing we need saving from? The infallible part is a problem, and even the eternal since we don't stone adulterers anymore and would, dare I say, think that was immoral today. Even the Jews don't follow their own Hebrew scriptures because they're horrific, and they don't even have a new testament, so figure that one out.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
If people have dedicated their lives to being like someone and they have a higher rate of being abusive than the general population, and then you read in the bible and can determine that that God is a narcissist, then yeah, you can safely assume the whole thing is a toxic.
@muxion
@muxion 9 ай бұрын
a human exalting his will against God is narcissism, God revealing His nature is revelation
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@muxion Having a will is not narcissism. Not being a total abuse victim does not make you a narcissist. Narcissists are a fascinating and horrible group of people that I've recently learned a lot about. Feel free to youtube it. Having self worth and self respect is not being narcissist. Not wanting to die to yourself and serve another person's will as a slave and as if it is your own is not the line for narcissism. God revealing himself as someone that needs you to worship him and die to yourself and serve him and praise him no matter what he does and tell him how good he is even if he murders, commits genocide, etc. Someone that claims to love you, but discards you totally the moment you stop telling him how great he is - That is a narcissist.
@davidnewland2461
@davidnewland2461 6 ай бұрын
Yeah frank you sound more learned than you are due to your gosh galloping.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
Step 1 of being a Christian, you're basically saying, blind faith in the bible. Mike Winger said the same thing. If you even question the very foundation of your faith, you're already too far gone. How do you Christians honestly think about this? We shouldn't be allowed to question the very foundation of it? Is that telling at all? Because once you do... and you open yourself up to questioning God's actions in the old testament... it's over for that guy, he's not good. So basically, deconstruction? Don't do it. Keep yourself ignorant. Blind faith. Christianity really does require blind faith, and even false faith, false hope. It requires gaslighting.
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
Deconstruction = Become your own god so you can continue to sin. To be saved according to the scriptures; you have to repent, believe and endure to the end. Yes, you are saved by grace and not works, but to actually BE saved from the get-go you first have to repent of your sins, believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and you need to endure to the end regardless of what life throws at you. If you are "out" and "no longer believe" then you were never saved to begin with, because your "repentance" was probably part of a church ritual, so you never really genuinely repented. You just repeated a script read out by the pastor. Secondly, you no longer believe or never really believed to begin with, so you are not or were not saved to start with. Thirdly, you are "out" by choice, so you never endured to the end. If any of the above conditions are missing then you were never saved to begin with. You just participed in a ritual. You never had a relationship with God to begin with. You never had a relationship with Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. To those people, Jesus said In Matthew 7:21-23: 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’. When Jesus said "I never knew you" He is clear that there was never a relationship to begin with. For those of you who know what a "red pill moment" is, this statement from Jesus is probably THE biggest red pill moment in the bible for people who think they are saved, but are not. What a frightening prospect!!
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir It has nothing to do with wanting to sin. If you want to sin, join a high control Christian group. They'll sweep it right under the rug for you and go harsher on your victims than you. It's all about enabling abuse, I mean forgiveness!
@JohnSmith-zo6ir
@JohnSmith-zo6ir 9 ай бұрын
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr It has everything to do with sin. The bible in Revelation says "do not add to or take away from the Word". Deconstructionists do both. They add in what suits them and take away what they don't like to effectively become their own gods living by their sinful and morally bankrupt standards. The scriptures are a FINISHED work. The last thing Jesus said on the cross was "It is FINISHED".
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir "probably part of a church ritual" FALSE. I was truly a born again Christian. Now I just see it differently, more as an abusive dynamic and I can't support that. It's so common to say "you were never a Christian to begin with". If you want to live in lies, that's your problem. There are other lies you need to embrace to be a Christian as well. Gaslighting of yourself is required. It is quite frightening for you, because I was EXACTLY LIKE YOU. So are you really saved? That's why you really need to believe the lie that I wasn't you.
@4elizabeth
@4elizabeth 9 ай бұрын
Hmm I don’t think that’s true. I question & learn all the time. I’ve never felt like I had to “suppress” any questions I had about my faith. I’ve always felt encouraged to ask questions.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
I can't believe I blindly jumped into Christianity, naively thinking it was something good because there are so many Christians in the world. I really took a leap of faith. I feel so dumb now. The things I'm hearing when you drill down. I'm so glad I was only 3 years in, not a lifetime with my whole social network tied to it. Such entrapment. It sounds abusive, by what moral standard, wow. Just trust that the abusive stuff is from God because blind faith. Don't question abusers, yeah that's what abusers want.
@brandonelizondo7018
@brandonelizondo7018 9 ай бұрын
Can you elaborate? How is this abusive or entrapment?
@muxion
@muxion 9 ай бұрын
not sure what you believed in, but true Christian faith is based on the historical reality of God working with the disobedient human race and reconciling us to Him through Jesus’ sacrifice and resurrection, that is what our faith is in, a divine savior who loved us enough to die for us, and you can read the history and decide for yourself
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@muxion Yup, I had it right. Read the bible, was as honest as possible in my understanding. Then the honesty passed the limit of this being possibly from God. Too much truth lol.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr 9 ай бұрын
@@brandonelizondo7018 The very idea of an all good all powerful God in our present universe is abusive. Imagine someone who was sexually abused repeatedly as a child. God had the POWER to stop it, but chose not to. Then Christians feel a tiny bit of comfort in their adulthood and say "praise God!" forgetting that God sat back and watched you get abused repeatedly. The guy that does that is abusive. Praise him for how great he is! The entrapment is mental - you stay or you have eternal torture in your future. The entrapment is social - if everyone in your life is part of this system.
@hwd7
@hwd7 9 ай бұрын
So you blindly jumped into agnosticism instead?
@truncated7644
@truncated7644 9 ай бұрын
Typical begging the question. You have to acknowledge there is an authority for her argument to make any sense. Alisa wants to frame this as a shift in authority. For those who have deconverted, it is a realization that what they thought was an authority isn't. It isn't justified by the evidence. Sorry Christians if your evidence for God isn't enough to make other sincere and honest seekers find your particular set of religious beliefs. That doesn't make them their own God, it simply makes them humans who don't find what you believe to be convincing. But instead of accepting their since non-belief, Alisa is forced to deny non-resistant non-believers their lived experience and instead hang everything on the words of a few middle eastern pre-scientific religious zealots from 2,000 years ago. She will instead claim that we are broken, haved darkened minds, want to sin and therefore unable to fairly investigate whether the bible is God's word, or is, as it appears to me, to be a very human book.
@indrawinangun2392
@indrawinangun2392 8 ай бұрын
Christians never follow Jesus. Jesus spent his sermon on Sabat but Christianity is on Sunday. Jesus was circumcised, but many Christians are not. Jesus never eat pork, but Christians does. Jesus before worship wash part the body, but Christians doesn't. So. Christianity is not from Jesus, but paganism.
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