I’ve been in Law Enforcement over 25 years and have carried off duty and concealed at the four o’clock position. However the last five year since my retirement I now carry at the 2 o’clock position and find it very comfortable and easy . Living in Florida, the 2 o’clock position is not only comfortable and easy to access from standing or sitting, and also easier to conceal in warmer weather. The holster I use is a Desantis Pro Stealth , with extra built in Mag , for my Kahr PM9. Very easy to wear and draw and holster.

Everything he mentions is all great advise and makes perfect sense. I only see him in a standing position. I'd like to see him in a sitting position and drawing , or getting in and out of a car while drawing, or any bent over position...

I prefer 11 o'clock cross draw. I can draw while sitting, even in a vehicle, and discretely get ready to draw either standing or sitting. Reaching back is a dead giveaway, and anyone behind you can easily jack up your draw by just grabbing your arm. Cross draw I can potentially drive the gun downwards if someone is grabbing it. Can draw while retreating without giving away the draw. Can bring to bear under the arm if necessary for attacker behind me. I can draw left handed if necessary, but it's awkward. Impossible if at 3-5 o'clock. I can wear a regular sized t-shirt and not print unless maybe I bend backwards. I can sit in a chair or car seat and not have a gun sticking in my back. Due to a shoulder injury reaching back doesn't work well anyway.

Make a lot of sense and very well explained... thanks a lot for sharing the experience and the why!

Nice to see a video n where I carry. I injured my shoulder and had to have two operations on it. The farthest I can easily and quickly go is the 2o’clock position. I don’t like appendix carry. The biggest problem I have is sometimes the holster wants to slide back to the 3 o’clock or farther back. I use the belt loops as a way to keep the holster in the general 2 o’clock position. And wear a T-shirt to help with digging into your side.

I really struggled to find a good carry position for the longest time. Carried a tiny shield at 4 o’clock for many years but hated the printing even with a small gun, shirt would ride up all the time. Switched to appendix for a short while, and while it concealed much better it was extremely uncomfortable for me poking me in the leg even when I was just walking around not even sitting. Just couldn’t make it work. I now shifted to 2 o’clock and it solved all my problems. All day comfort, quick and easy draw, and no printing. I carry a CZ P-01 much larger than the shield I carried for years and even with the larger grip it still prints less than my tiny little single stack. It’s a win-win.

“Something else of importance”. Well said.

I find the 2:00 position is best for me as well. Thanks for the video.

I was wondering if it’s better to have a bigger grip, (ex. Glock 26) for a better purchase as you draw your pistol opposed to drawing slim line smaller pistols with a one inch grip?

Works great when errect, now sit down. The gun prints much more when sitting compared to appendix.

Do you recommend a slight cant to the holster at 2 vs a level? Or other way around?

Great info thanks!

it's a good carry position, provided you are very well trained or use a gun with a manual safety, as the muzzle is directly over the femoral artery, and if you use 4 inch guns or less as it digs into the crook of your thigh when you're sitting down or in a car

4 o’clock for me. My belly dictates the rules.😂

Interesting points will try

1st time gun owner. I'm trying to learn how to draw from the 2 o'clock position. I have a Springfield XD9 Is four inch barrel What type of holster are you using?

It’s ok if you lean back a little to draw if someone charges. All you would have to do is move in sync with the attacker pivot, and spin the attacker off of your center line using the opposite hand to push the attacker away, regaining distance, remove the pushing hand clearing it, then re engage.

Adding a H to the word garmet is the most old school southern accent , love it just a side not from North Florida originally so it just took me back

Okay, so you also wouldn't be "on target" if you (had) to get a round off drawing from a 2:00 position.. which I might add.. I've (never) seen Anyone do in my 42 yrs. One problem with a 2:00 position is gonna be the butt of the grip poking outward on just about any semi-auto pistol ... with a few exceptions of course. The major advantage of AIWB in my personal experience in 20yrs of concealed carry, is two-fold; #1) "Maneuverability", and #2). "Weapon retention". I'm not aware of a better concealed-carry position than "appendix" IWB, when considering the ability to protect and retain your pistol. The Absolute BEST method for actually putting these carry positions to a real test is Always gonna be "force on force" training. Get yourself a dummy gun and tuck it in the appendix position and have your training partners, friends, family members attempt to remove it from your appendix holster at times when you're not expecting it. Also, repeat this excercise while carrying in various other positions, including OWB. This doesn't merely serve as a (test), but as actual decent training that can be done while at home, or with trusted friends/family. Experience has shown me and my inner circle, that it's indeed difficult, at the least, to successfully obtain a grip sufficient enough to remove a pistol from an individual who's undergone training in weapon retention, coupled with employing an AIWB holster from a reputable manufacturer. Of course, there are always "exceptions", as I expect everyone who reads this will be the "Houdini" of yanking pistols from AIWB holsters!!! 😅. Going back to "manueverability", anyone who's ever attempted to climb over obstacles, enter/exit different types of vehicles, grapple/wrestle with training partners of various shapes/sizes/abilities or (carry) other similarly-sized or larger people on their shoulders while running for any significant distance; will Know just how important the manner in which your weapons/gear are attached to you... MATTERS!!! Next time you're at your BJJ practice, slap an OWB holster with a blue gun on, and have your training partners take you down (by surprise), and see how long you can maintain possession of that weapon!!!!! I submit to you that the result may be a real "eye-opener".... which I hope will serve as a turning point in how yourself and those in your sphere of influence "go about" training and personal safety going forward. In the words of a dear friend... "Train Hard, Train Smart" ---John Lovell

I like the idea

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Cool. I thought I’d never see a 2 o’clock video. I’ve been carrying my 229 legion with an extended +2 magazine at 2 o’clock for the past 6 years. It’s the best for me, not saying it’s the best for everyone, just best for me. Everybody has a different body shape. I carried a Glock 19 appendix for a couple of years and it was a lot of suffering, I tried everything you can think of, different holsters and holster add ons and accessories, nothing helped. Then I found out that because I have a forward pelvic tilt, this carry position would never work. Then I tried both 4 and 5 o’clock. And while it was much better than appendix, my compact guns would print like crazy. Everyone could notice if I needed to bend over slightly or if I’m sitting, especially visible while sitting. Also both 4 and 5 o’clock were hard to get to in a vehicle. My problems ended when I switched to 2 o’clock. I’m just as fast out of 2 o’clock as I was out of appendix, about 2 seconds to first accurate shot at 7 yards from both positions. About 1.8 seconds to first accurate shot at 5 yards from both positions. Interesting thing is that I now notice some people who carry this way because I look there now. Took me three years to find this position. It sits slightly to the side of your stomach, right at the beginning of the hip. Another words between the stomach and the hip. This way the stomach is out of the way, I mean if you have some extra stomach this position is definitely better than appendix. Also my compact guns don’t print anymore and bending down is just normal, unlike appendix, when I had to pull up on the rig to bend down. This position is also car accessible. You can easily draw from this position just like you would appendix. In the car the handle of your gun is above and to the right of a seat belt buckle, an unobstructed access, just bring your cover garment over and in between the holster and your body when in the car. Overall I really like it. It looks exactly like the video. I carry my 229 legion every day everywhere all the time. I use a Blackpoint Tactical mini wing holster on the right side and a Blackpoint Tactical IWB spare mag pouch on the left side 10 o’clock. I use Kore Essentials carbon fiber gun belt, it’s the only model they have 6 pounds rated. Their tactical gun belt is 8 pound rated but extremely stiff, too stiff in my opinion. The leather 4 pound belt is not enough. The carbon fiber 6 pound belt is perfect in my opinion, not too stiff and full support. In my opinion there isn’t too much of a difference between appendix, which is usually 12 or 1 o’clock and a 2 o’clock. It’s just more suitable for certain body types. The difference really begins at 3 o’clock. The 2 o’clock is pretty much a modified appendix. Kinda like isosceles and modified isosceles. Please keep in mind that my opinions are based on my experience. Others may have a different experience. Hope this helps anyone.

Should have demonstrated with the right knee on the ground (vertical femur) or right foot one step behind. One advantage of 2oclock is when using a back pack (medium to huge), holstering on the pack's belt. The centerline belt buckle is still easy to reach, the gun drags less than 3oclock, the chest is clean for air/binoculars/etc, and drawing from support hand is easier than 3oclock.

In short it depend on your body type, this guy showing has more flab in the middle so no way its easier for him to place it in 12 or 1 o’clock. I have no problem in any position inside waistband whether its in 12 or even quarter. Its how you train and comfortable to carry it.

How many inches of the weapon is below the top of belt for this carry style. I want to see that happens if you sit in a chair and tie your shoe on carry side foot. How tall are you? How much space between top of belt to where your leg bends on top? Do thick muscular thighs change this space? What builds of people tend to like this carry method? Is there a minimum amount of space required for a 3 inch barrel? Can you do this with a dress shirt tucked in or is there too much printing of the weapon? What tends to make people avoid this method most? Do tall athletic people do better than short and stout folks?

I like the 5 o'clock iwb position. Any thoughts? Pros and cons? Thank you!

Is IWB without a cover garment, with the full grip and rear of the slide/sights visible, still concealed?

Is there another carry position, that flags the femoral artery more? AIWB’s line is perpendicular to the artery. In the 2 o’clock, it runs the length.

I don't see how you could sit down with this carry, if you are carrying a 1911 or full-size Sig. It seems to be right over the hip bone at that position. Being left-handed, I guess my position is at 8 o-clock using an external belt holster.

I would love to see pros and cons of the 8 o'clock position

Agreed … I do 2 O’clock also

How about when you sit. How’s it feel

Im a pretty loyal 3:30 ish guy never thought of 2 , I cant run appendix even tho im pretty lean dude to anterier pelvic push and frankly I find it very awkward to carry there it feels like an unnatural spot to put a gun

4 o clock just feels off for me. Feels like I'm unnaturally reaching behind myself to unholster. Appendix is uncomfortable for me when sitting. 2 - 230 works perfectly for me. Accessible, comfortable, and no printing. At the end of the day, carry where it works for you!

....as I cross-draw my 1911. Different strokes for different folks.

Is that a 10 degree cant angle?

You had me at "something else of importance" 🤔

Gonna give this a try. 4/5 O'clock prints too much, I don't like spending much money on clothes and alot of my shirts colors and size especially during the summer don't help, really poor concealment if I have to bend down lol I have to basically take a knee to prevent the whole gun from showing.Appendix just wasn't comfortable for me, especially with the bit of beer gut I've got.

Doesn’t 2:00 put pressure on you leg when you sit?

Interesting

Appendix carry is uncomfortable sitting but drawing the weapons is good 4 o'clock l don't care for at all because the gun is behind me making it easy to be stripped from from behind the 2 o'clock position is the best for me keeps the gun mostly in front of me just below where my arm hangs naturally the draw is good and it's pretty comfortable and it's in a good position for me to protect it or fight someone from trying to takie the weapon away from me so its 2 o'clock position for me the other position l like is across my lower chest in a hill people bag comfortable fast draw but rather large and doesn't fit in at some places depending on where your going or what your doing it's the best for a seated draw

Thank you for this great video. Sadly, for me, the 2 o'clock position is impossible. Chronic illness caused issues make a vertical draw almost impossible. For those that have normally functioning joints and range of motions, this does look like (perhaps) the best position

I'll remember that really important piece of advice when the zombie apocalypse breaks up.

It’s personal preference after trying all positions

My micro 9mm pokes my sides, stomach or leg any position except 5:00, 6:00 & 7:00 but I don't like carrying on my lower back in a crowd. I have no other choice but pocket carry, especially if I'm sitting down. I tried an OWB holster with my shirt pulled over it but there's a visible bulge. My body shape makes this a challenge. Some people carry a full size gun & magazines in any position comfortably.

When different carry positions are discussed, I have not seen any discussion about the carry positions when driving a car.

The appendix draw had an exaggerated movement. If it takes that to draw go back to the drawing board & work on technique. But what works is the key & carrying. When I've seen most carry 2-4 they lean to the side followed by turtlenecling afterwards

2 o clock is awesome. Im to fat for appendix and i find 4 to be a little exposed without a jacket. 2 is a great compromise for me.

Unfortunately, my only way is under the arm at 3’o clock.

12 o'clock oddly is the most comfortable, concealable and easy way for me. Anysize gun for that matter

I love the 2 o clock position, but I hate driving with it. That’s my only con.

I find it easier to carry and draw from the 2 o'clock position..not so easy wearing a inside the thigh holster wear a very short skirt when not wearing jeans..

What hostler you think better for 2 o’clock?

Isn’t that position right over your hip bone

Any carry position is better than not carry at all. Pick what works for you and train for that position. AIWB works for me, but it might not work for everyone. What I like about AIWB is that I feel I can quickly access my firearm, and keep positive control of it. How you carry is intimate to the individual, and your training/comfort level

Another year and 'cool'/'competent' people will make 'new' videos about the smart & everlasting crossdraw..

That's comfortable until I sit down, then it digs into my leg & my side. 6:00 is comfortable but I need eyes on the back of my head for that. 12:00 I might shoot my junk off unless I'm carrying DAO. Took me a dozen holsters to accept that I can't carry IWB. Got a pocket holster for my 2 pocket 9mm & 38 LCR, all is good.

I do 2:30. Too fat for appendix.

If you are a lefty like me, go to 11 O'clock.

The number one reason that I like 3 o’clock is the fact that you can conceal the retrieval of the pistol by slightly adjusting your body. It also puts an attacker as far as way from my draw as possible. If I am attack, physically, close-up I’ve got my left hand to delay and draw.

2:17 something else of importance.... you mean your Last name, your marbels, your manhood...

"...or something else of importance" 😂😂😂

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Any carry position is better than comparing clock positions. In my state...ur lucky to even be able to carry....CA. If u live in a free state...look up our laws....so sad.

I prefer a 4:48 position myself.

I'm to fat for any of these advantages!

That is a good for law enforcement or if you stand all day not really good if you are driving you are better off learning cross drow

Y’all must not be 6’7” 320lbs. I can’t even sit down with a shield plus or max 9 in appendix or 2 o’clock.

2 words. FEMORAL ARTERY

I'm left handed...

I'm only working out slowly but surely to carry better... too damn fat for any carry

I guess if you wore your pants and belt high enough you could make this 2 o’clock thing work…

femoral artery...or something else serious... i died. appendix carrier here and can say that the dong is still intact haha

So let’s say you’ve been ambushed by an armed robber and you have a loaded gun pointed in your face (as is the case with most armed robberies)... will you be able to draw from the 2 o’clock and defend yourself? What if your gun just happened to be at 4 or 5 o’clock, right above where your wallet is? And since it is on your back you can draw from concealment without the criminal seeing you pull it from the holster. As you go to present your wallet, you present a few hollow point 9mm rounds as you side step. Action always beats reaction. Try it with a SIRT pistol. You’ll see 4/5 o’clock is the best way for CIVILIANS to carry since the primary threat is being robbed from an ambush.

Might hit “Something else of importance.” Yes not that . ESP not that.😵😵😵

Kamote

This is good if you're not fat....

No, appendix