Scotland isn't a region of England. It's a country that's in a union. That's different from the regions of Spain so there's no issue.
@samuelbcn3 жыл бұрын
The Spanish constitution recognises Catalonia and the Basque Country as 'nationalities'. Surely a nationality implies the existence of a nation from which it comes.
@woodennecktie3 жыл бұрын
if you take the current scottish politicians as example , the scotts are lappuppies
@fitzstv85063 жыл бұрын
@@woodennecktie If you take the current English Conservative Politicians the English are blind lap puppies.
@michaelhoodleeder3 жыл бұрын
English people see Scotland as region under the thumb . This attitude lost them an empire. I hope it will also lose them the Scottish cooperation. England does not rule the waves in 2021. She needs to be humble and work with people if she wants to prosper. You can't just attack people in 2021. You need to work with them . Very sad
@khankrum13 жыл бұрын
@@fitzstv8506 now now children. Play nicely.
@rubyazofeifa40233 жыл бұрын
To be honestly, the UK never "done it alone". They always depended on their colonized countries. Remember the saying "The SUN never SETS on the British Empire...".
@ffi10013 жыл бұрын
That’s because God doesn’t trust the British in the dark
@colinstephenson53863 жыл бұрын
@flyspiderbird every major conflict Britain has had always included soldiers from other countries mostly European countries, Britain only once engaged in a major conflict alone and that was the American war of independence, Britain lost that one ! ,,,,,
@colinstephenson53863 жыл бұрын
@flyspiderbird I didn’t say Britain only achieved power because of the help received from elsewhere, that my friend is your own words , I’ve no idea why you’ve mentioned the Industrial revolution? , it wasn’t an armed conflict you know , although the luddites got a bit uppity ?
@martinrye7123 жыл бұрын
@@colinstephenson5386 check your history if Britain had not been fighting the French and there allies at the same time they could have used all of there armed forces in the war of independence.then the outcome would probably have been different. Also most wars have been fought with the use of allies!
@starlite-sw5wr2 жыл бұрын
That was for the Spanish empire.
@garyoconnor61313 жыл бұрын
The interesting aspect for me has always been the inflated self of importance the British have of themselves and the rampant exceptionalism they possess, in particular the English. They see themselves as equals to major powers like the US, EU and China. I find this very amusing, good luck to them, they will within a half decade come to realise that together is better.
@joshbentley23073 жыл бұрын
No we don’t. Which British person said that?
@gabe25523 жыл бұрын
They will overtake the planet now without all those east europian workers that only chained down the british. Now they will jump off the Sofa and get the future in the own hand. :)
@gabe25523 жыл бұрын
@@joshbentley2307 well, they act like that. It does not have to be said. We all see that.
@joshbentley23073 жыл бұрын
@@gabe2552 see what?
@joshbentley23073 жыл бұрын
@@gabe2552 not wanting to be in the EU doesn’t mean we think we’re a superpower 😂
@LanielDevy3 жыл бұрын
25:24 - "Bye bye, tschüß!" - Pretty much sums up the EU's position towards the UK right about now.
@randomguy86473 жыл бұрын
Lol
@PWingert19663 жыл бұрын
is that pronounced Sheisskopf? 👌😉🤪👍
@LanielDevy3 жыл бұрын
@@PWingert1966 ?
@PWingert19663 жыл бұрын
@@LanielDevy Perhaps I should be more polite and suggest that Britain (At least the entitties promoting each side of the brexit) figured they wouldn't have to trade with Europe on Europes terms and could instead have their cake and eat it too by controlling the trade relationaship? Which make them at least wolly headed. even uf they don't have manuer in there.
@Jab_hutt2 жыл бұрын
Someone's salty:)
@richardforshaw27823 жыл бұрын
I don't know about anyone else, but for me watching three people with the same point of view trying to debate is riveting. The best bit though has to be the presenter, he brings so much balance to the show, bravo 👏
@davewebb29363 жыл бұрын
Would having the same point of view mean that they were telling the truth. Or does it mean they were lying?
@davewebb29363 жыл бұрын
@@richardforshaw2782 So you couldn't tell whether they were telling the truth because they weren't challenging each other! Why would they need to challenge one another over a deal that's been done? They were talking about the effects of the deal, didn't you understand that? They were challenging each other on whether Scotland could rejoin the EU, weren't they? It wasn't journalism as you mean it, it was a discussion, you do know the difference, don't you? There's nothing wrong with saying that you didn't understand what they were talking about and that's why you couldn't tell whether they were telling the truth. I'm sure everyone will understand.
@richardforshaw27823 жыл бұрын
I used the word journalism because 3 of the 4 people sitting around the table having a "discussion" are journalists. Also they are having a "discussion" on pro EU broadcaster Deutsche Welle, which might have something to do with journalism seeing as though it's a 24 hour news channel. The show itself is nothing more than a one sided opinion piece, which i was pointing out in my original post. And if you were to add just one voice in to the mix that has a positive view on brexit, perhaps someone like...former Bank of England Governor Mervyn King. Now i know he might not be quite the same calibre as the rest of the panel, but he could help you understand that now the two sides have a deal, it will take at least 25 years before we know if brexit is for better or worse. So in the meantime if we are to predict the future, let's do it maybe just maybe, with a little bit of balance.
@chrisdechristophe3 жыл бұрын
Sarcasm much?
@akinadegbenro79583 жыл бұрын
I agree Richard... There is lack of objectivity. They all seem to be looking at it from EU perspective. But there's always two sides to a coin. What about the EUs problems? And the volume of trade that would have been lost between Germany and the UK without a deal?
@dylanhunt43033 жыл бұрын
THAT GUY JUST SAID : BoJo was being economical with the truth.... he was so wrong. BoJo doesn't even know what truth is... he just says what ever keeps him in power.
@user-nf9xc7ww7m3 жыл бұрын
At least Johnson didn't hold a rally encouraging his followers to storm Parliament. 😉 I feel we are setting a new low bar...
@ascgazz3 жыл бұрын
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m Boris has The BBC News for that.
@peanutnutter13 жыл бұрын
Firstly, it's 'says' Secondly, 'BoJo' has been elected for 5 years, that's what keeps him in power.
@iceman_s27293 жыл бұрын
Actually, many politicians say whatever keeps them in power. Both left and Right
@dylanhunt43033 жыл бұрын
@@peanutnutter1 Firstly, thanks for the correction. Secondly, if he doesn't keep all the factions backing him happy, they will get him ousted very fast.
@captain_context99913 жыл бұрын
A lot of people talk about what the EU will lose without the UK, but really... Its not like England is taking their island and sailing away. They will still have to deal with the EU just as before, only now on far worse terms. OBVIOUSLY far worse terms. Because its not like the EU likes Englands attitude. And its not like the UK has a choice in the matter. They will have to take whats on offer, and thats that.
@garyb10363 жыл бұрын
The EU loved taking our money for years though didn't it?its a big world out there, lots of country's to trade with, i personally cant wait to see the EU crumble, which it will.
@anggasurbakti82693 жыл бұрын
@@garyb1036 you get your money back, especially your farmers, also education. Now it's almost guaranteed food prices will be more expensive. Enjoy
@garyb10363 жыл бұрын
@@anggasurbakti8269 you will also have to find somewhere else to fish ENJOY! 😂
@gianisain88803 жыл бұрын
@@garyb1036 your really tick mate!
@garyb10363 жыл бұрын
@@gianisain8880 I'd learn how to spell first before you call people thick kid.
@erikdekter23843 жыл бұрын
Let me grab some popcorn before I'll read the comments.🤣
@sudarshan39653 жыл бұрын
I eat all of my popcorn while watching usa news.
@sudarshan39653 жыл бұрын
@Googles Evil I guess freedom of speech is not for everybody. That's a sad world we live in.
@ascgazz3 жыл бұрын
Grab an intelligent contribution while you’re there. 👍🏻
@erikdekter23843 жыл бұрын
@@ascgazz Please don't tell me what to do.
@epicspaces94343 жыл бұрын
@@sudarshan3965 I ate all my cookies while watching usa news too.
@liamtaggart573 жыл бұрын
No,england and wales can try but we ,in the north of Ireland and Scotland ,didn’t vote for brexit
@lilbrit10192 жыл бұрын
*northern ireland you git
@blackpig522 жыл бұрын
@@elyrexo Scotland is a separate nation
@angusmacmillan53652 жыл бұрын
More people have voted to remain in the UK than voted to remain in the EU
@liamtaggart572 жыл бұрын
@@angusmacmillan5365 And you won 🤙😂😂😂😂
@blackpig522 жыл бұрын
@@angusmacmillan5365 Scotland voted to remain in the UK after being told that was the only way to stay in the EU, they were lied to,enjoy your independence
@Telluwide3 жыл бұрын
The UK went from having the best EU deal in history, literally bespoke to the worst deal in its history. They've been complaining for years about not being able to shape the EU and change it from within, but they had. They set precedents by opting out of the Euro and Schengen. Those alone shaped it more than anything else in EU history. And now, it's all gone.....
@davew49983 жыл бұрын
No, it's not all gone. We have, thank God.
@davew49983 жыл бұрын
We couldn't shape freedom of movement, which was the deal breaker.
@sixfootbear3 жыл бұрын
Net contributors to an EU that they had never signed up for. Half of the total immigration coming from twenty seven rich western countries.Laws made outside the UK that were imposed on UK citizens. 74.2% UK turnout on the EU referendum.52% of the 100% who voted chose to leave and regain their sovereignty.
@chudchadanstud3 жыл бұрын
You know what's hilarious? EU nations can't negotiate their own terms on the vaccine. If the want to order more doses they have to go through Brussels. Germany got a lot of flack for going outside Brussels but then Brussels looked aside pretty quickly. Why? The President is Germany. Let's not even talk about how the EU China deal was pushed by Germans for Germans under a German run EU. Hilarious.
@chudchadanstud3 жыл бұрын
@Buckets 666 Oh no! Armageddon is coming. Didn't you Jehovah's Witnesses say Tories will sell the NHS to America? Didn't you say Dover will be packed with lorries?
@johnorosz74773 жыл бұрын
0nce upon a time, the BBC banned fascists from its broadcasts. In 1935, when Oswald Mosley’s British Union was near its peak of popularity, organizing rallies and marches across the country, the corporation stopped allowing him to appear on its programs. The ban, unofficially supported by successive Conservative, Labor and coalition governments, lasted 33 years. Its rationale was straightforward: Mosley’s views were too extreme, his supporters too threatening, and his admiration for foreign authoritarians too strong for him to be allowed a prominent place in the national discourse. A line was drawn between what was acceptable and unacceptable in right-wing politics, and Mosley was on the wrong side of it. By the time the prohibition was lifted, in 1968, he was a bitter old man.
@peanutnutter13 жыл бұрын
There was once a tortoise and a hare, they went to the fair.
@tsitsnikable3 жыл бұрын
"The blood is still very hot… It is impossible, and it will be seen later, to ever have the cooperation of the English, the French, the Germans, the Italians, the Austrians, etc. when there are still people who lost their fathers in World War II and their uncles. Is it ever possible to call each other "allies" and mean it? Do not look at things short-sightedly and only for the sake of the Economy. "Nationalism will come to the surface and then… Europe is disintegrating because of Germany!"
@FullaEels3 жыл бұрын
Spain has consistently stated they would not Veto Scotland's re-entry.
@bestproto51173 жыл бұрын
If spain doesn't wana give catalonia its independence then why do they want a scotland independence!
@benjaminodonnell2583 жыл бұрын
@@bestproto5117 Because Scottish Independence is in the EU's supranational interest, but Catalonian independence isn't.
@joshbentley23073 жыл бұрын
But Scotland also needs there own currency to join.... the SNP said they wouldn’t stop using the pound. So there going to not be in the U.K. or EU for at least 10-15 years.
@lucianocartino53123 жыл бұрын
Italy too
@benjaminodonnell2583 жыл бұрын
@@joshbentley2307 Scotland already has its own currency, the Scottish Pound, convertible to English pounds on a 1-for-1 basis...😜
@public.public3 жыл бұрын
Scotland will leave the UK... It is just a matter of when. And the EU will welcome Scotland with open arms.
@gaelicd83283 жыл бұрын
Perfect 👌🇮🇪🍀
@gordonturnbull59253 жыл бұрын
I'm Scottish. Scotland has no chance of leaving the UK. and rejoining the EU would be the last thing I want
@tommmicron3 жыл бұрын
Just like Catalonia leaving Spain...
@hellhounds39203 жыл бұрын
Scotland should leave UK
@kamanashiskar92033 жыл бұрын
No. Italy should leave the EU.
@hellhounds39203 жыл бұрын
@@kamanashiskar9203 and how italy will trade ?? Becouse italy will have no market becouse its in middle of europe ????
@hellhounds39203 жыл бұрын
@@kamanashiskar9203 you should go study you dont know how bad it will be for a state to leave Eu when the state its in middle of Eu
@pepsilight73243 жыл бұрын
US and UK now competing for the award "the most effed up country of the year"
@rutherzheng39813 жыл бұрын
Germany will win that award.
@baronvonlimbourgh17163 жыл бұрын
Gonna be close.. but the usa has the multi year lead.
@rutherzheng39813 жыл бұрын
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 That's what Germans like to say, "My country is bad, but there is always one country worse than me." Typical European arrogance.
@baronvonlimbourgh17163 жыл бұрын
@@rutherzheng3981 whatever karen, have another wine.
@graveperil21693 жыл бұрын
I think that France being in a riot every weekend would at least get it on the list
@888Eck3 жыл бұрын
I'm German/English and my husband is English/Austrian. This is what he said. 'I have always hated the EU and never thought we would get the opportunity to vent our feelings on the subject let alone the chance to reverse membership. Even when the day arrived I thought the people would vote to stay for fear of change. But the day came and went and here we are at the the start of a road to where once again WE will decide what to spend OUR money on, we will governed by OUR laws which will be monitored by OUR judges. WE will decide who can and cannot enter OUR country and who can be deported. There are a myriad of rules, laws and recommendations that will revert to those created by a Parliament voted in by its own people and common sense. From tax and import/export regulations down to being able to buy a BENT cucumber if we so wish. Yes, there were some good rules and ideas to come from the EU and those hopefully we will not throw out because we can. But what good are they if we lose the choice that comes with democracy, we lose our national identity, we lose our sovereignty and we lose our right to say NO! This was OUR choice as a right, OUR decision as a people and ours to make the most of as a nation.'
@Sashababin753 жыл бұрын
Who needs England in the EU.The EU doesnt need England Move on Brexit
@JVSwailesBoudicca3 жыл бұрын
It is not just England, it is the UK and the EU didn't NEED the UK, but they wanted them, for all the ££££££££s/€€€€uros that the UK contributed every year.
@Russ4421003 жыл бұрын
Please remember half of us Brits voted to remain .. Millions of us. I love Europe I believe in it.. I am disgusted and disappointed in my countrymen they have been lied too and they have bought it.. Do not abandon us.
@martins38853 жыл бұрын
Boomers betrayed gen z. It is what it is.
@jonathansimmons53533 жыл бұрын
you've had 4 years to move.. ample time. and establish yourselves.
@petervaughan91113 жыл бұрын
@@jonathansimmons5353 as someone who thinks of himself as European before being British, but that doesn't detract from needing to stay living near to the mother in law nor from my dismal language skills that would complicate any potential job hunt on the continent. I want the UK to return to the EU, and I would love to be an EU citizen again, but my life and family are on the UK and thus I'd be staying here (until there's some manner of nationalist uprising)
@jonathansimmons53533 жыл бұрын
@@petervaughan9111 the only nationalistic uprising is either in your head or elsewhere.. "complicate"- i will translate that for you to real world from someone who has lived 23 years in europe... "impossible"
@petervaughan91113 жыл бұрын
indeed, and thus I except to remain living in Britain. A nationalist uprising would be the point at which I reconsider that, it's not something I'm anticipating in the imminent future.
@jameswingad32123 жыл бұрын
This is the most extraordinary panel. Not one Brexiteer on the panel and the point of this deal is it's a start for much greater separation not a platform for us to essentially rejoin!
@TruckStopLayby3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. I wonder whether it was by design, or whether they couldn't find a Brexiter to come on and plead their case?
@pinklickpony3 жыл бұрын
Yes Rejoin!!!!
@the0ne8093 жыл бұрын
Brexit is just a very expensive way to keep immigrants out. That's like the wall with Mexico here but the difference is that the UK's GDP is much smaller than the EU. You guys didn't think this through. Lol
@stephennicholls77123 жыл бұрын
What l have never understood is that if we as nation couldn't manage our own affairs which was apparently the reason we joined in the FIRST place, WHY did we ever think that Europe could do it for us or indeed would WANT to?. The people in this debate WANT Britain to fail. That is pretty obvious to me at least. The German woman is obviously upset that we took the decision to leave..But let us be clear on one issue. if the EU had given David Cameron the little he'd asked for, this entire problem could have been avoided. The EU has NO ONE to blame for this than THEMSELVES. In fact they have tried from day one to make it look as if it was OUR fault. The blame lies family and squarely with THEM. l believe we should have left THIRTY YEARS ago. Indeed we should NEVER HAVE JOINED!!!!
@Danny-lz1ek3 жыл бұрын
I still don't know any advantage of leaving the EU
@JCSol3 жыл бұрын
De Gaulle did the UK a huge favorite. They rejected it , and now, it shall suffer. LOL
@Pier-wy6dd3 жыл бұрын
Historically speaking, De Gaulle always said that "Europe will be not complete with the UK. He openly refused to grant any form of membership", hence, after decades, he is proven right. This is an historical fact.
@scaleyback2173 жыл бұрын
How different it might have been if Churchill had taken up the offer to run France at a time when France consisted of a million jackboots stamping them into the ground.
@lilbrit10192 жыл бұрын
@@Pier-wy6dd I mean De Gaulle didnt want britain to turn its back on the commonwealth less they turn to communism
@Pier-wy6dd2 жыл бұрын
@@lilbrit1019 Based on the information given, De Gaulle rejected the UK application several times. At the begin it was C.E.C.A, then E.C.M. developed in E.E.C. before to be European Union. History and changes cannot be exposed in a KZfaq comment (it is too long).
@buddy11553 жыл бұрын
Wow Tanja Borzel was terrible bad informed for a political scientist. 1) She probably didn't read the EU-UK deal, services ARE mentioned in the deal. 2) Spain will not vote against Scotland as an EU member, they have already explicitly said so.
@carokaffee19353 жыл бұрын
Well, good luck GB
@lohphat3 жыл бұрын
As a native Californian, may I offer some perspective. Santa Catalina island is 23 miles off the coast near Los Angeles and was famous as a luxurious place to visit with its grand pavilion in its small harbor where famous big-bands of the jazz era played. It takes over an hour to reach it by ferry. England is 22 miles from the coast of France and can be traversed in 20 minutes by train.
@lohphat3 жыл бұрын
@Rallan You apparently can’t comprehend I was comparing traversing the distance between landmasses. Thank you demonstrating your intelligence.
@tomoshea72303 жыл бұрын
@@lohphat we all know what you were saying the Brits are a bit touchy lately don't listen to them
@gabe25523 жыл бұрын
I cannot think of anything that only the UK can produce. Only arrogance, but that might be not enough. Keep your fish keep your arrogance. We will get along somehow.
@lewisbrand3 жыл бұрын
bye
@gabe25523 жыл бұрын
@@lewisbrand ;)
@julianjesson77313 жыл бұрын
GBP
@davew49983 жыл бұрын
Poorer than it would otherwise be. Ah, right. Well maybe. The EU isn't looking too clever when you look back at it's economic growth over the last few years is it? And talking about lack of freedom of movement as being a downside when it's one of the very things that Brexiters voted for, shows a remarkable inability to see things from the other side's point of view. As for these small EU companies deciding not to export to thd UK, well that's their look out. If what they sell is worth having we will find other suppliers. That's how free markets work. And so far the only lorry queues at the border have been caused by Macron worried rightly about covid. He should be worried as France seems incapable of organising vaccinations. Why didn't they get a Brexiter on to discuss the issues? This discussion was just a bunch of Remainers talking amongst themselves. I assure you, we will be just fine. You need to worry about your own poor economic performance rather than obsessing about ours. Enjoy your popcorn.
@bugsygoo3 жыл бұрын
"Shrill and emotional..."
@davew49983 жыл бұрын
@@bugsygoo I know, but time will heal and they will get over it. =========== Sorry just saw the bit of the video again that you referred to. As far as I can see the shrill and emotional debate has pretty much subdided. Sure, The Express is as rabid as ever and The Guardian ran a few 'you won but not really' articles by the usual suspects, but no one seems that agitated anymore by brexit. People are more interested in attacking Johnson for the lockdown that they themselves have made necessary, plus of course when they are likely to get vaccinated.
@OlafPijl3 жыл бұрын
"The French can no longer fish in British waters" - well, that's definitely not true!
@graveperil21693 жыл бұрын
was pushed back 5 years to stop Macron from vetoing the whole thing
@Telluwide3 жыл бұрын
@@graveperil2169 Yeah, in 5 years your waters won't be worth fishing in anyways. Great job!
@graveperil21693 жыл бұрын
@@Telluwide so in 5 years we will start rebuilding them after all the years of EU misrule, some things are worth the wait
@donhuang98553 жыл бұрын
In 5 years time it would be sad for the British to be supplying all the fishes purchase by the EU people because the EU people would be much richer working in the new Financial Center of Europe.
@khankrum13 жыл бұрын
@@Telluwide certainly willl not be with the EU plundering it. If the waters where so valueless? Then why are European fishermen fighting tooth amnd nail to keep it !
@cassiecallaghan42143 жыл бұрын
Wondering what made Tanja Börzel say Spain would veto Scotland when everything we’ve seen in recent years from Spain has indicated that it would not...
@jam66363 жыл бұрын
Because Spain has several independence movements, and one of Madrid main arguments is that if they leave the country they won´t be accepted to the EU immediately. They way more interested in delegitimizing independence movements than helping Scotland
@pyellard30133 жыл бұрын
I think a legal split is different to UDI by Catolonia..
@speedy70403 жыл бұрын
@@jam6636 1. Spain HAS SAID it would support Scotland's entry. 2. If Catalonia left Spain, and consequently EU, and wanted to rejoin EU, then SPAIN, AS AN EU MEMBER would forever veto it - they don't really need any arguments for it . UK is no longer an EU member, so it cannot veto anything. So , as long as Spain remains EU, Scotland 's situations is VERY different then Catalonia's ...
@jam66363 жыл бұрын
@@speedy7040 spain has never said it would support scontland´s entry. the only time an official said it he was kicked off. They are not gonna set a precedent. I don´t think you know how spain works
@j.obrien49903 жыл бұрын
@@jam6636 hasta los españoles no saben como funciona españa.
@voodooguy23 жыл бұрын
I'm so sad to lose my right to live in Europe. It's not like I was planning to move there, I just loved having that right. Oh, and I'm not too keen on higher prices either.
@mothsilly16163 жыл бұрын
you know that the UK is in Europe, right?
@voodooguy23 жыл бұрын
@@mothsilly1616 Yes, I certainly do know that the UK is in Europe but what has that got to do with my comment of losing my right to live in Europe? Doesn't affect me immediately but would if I wanted to retire in Spain.
@mothsilly16163 жыл бұрын
@@voodooguy2 where do you live?
@voodooguy23 жыл бұрын
@@mothsilly1616 The UK. Just to clarify, when I said "Europe", I should probably have said the EU. Sad that I have lost my right to live/work/retire in the EU. Not saying I was planning on doing that but now I couldn't do that even if I ever wanted to without having to jump through all kinds of immigration hoops. I hate Brexit.
@malikrahman86493 жыл бұрын
If you weren't planning to live there, then fundamentally it hasn't actually impacted you.
@msms74343 жыл бұрын
What does this deal mean? Rich get richer, middle class and the poor get poorer. Like every political event today.
@Joasoze3 жыл бұрын
The brits voted for these politicians...
@AlwaysAC3 жыл бұрын
When people believe Farage was a man if the people it was always gonna end in tears
@uroboros42603 жыл бұрын
@@Joasoze *the English
@donhuang98553 жыл бұрын
Freedom as a Stand-Alone nation has a hidden high price tag to pay - UK's annual economic yard-stick would be measured in terms of "Happiness", as in Bhutan, instead of the GDP global pecking order.
@alvarogines67883 жыл бұрын
That is mostly what will happen
@Olliebobalong3 жыл бұрын
The UK has signed 60 trade deals in 2020, during a pandemic, with one being signed with India right now, and one ready to sign with the US. It took 7 years for a Canada EU trade deal, 10 years for an Australian EU trade deal, 15 years for one with Japan and 20 years with China and 35 meetings, and that's apparently what the UK will be "missing'? A 'one size fits all' trade deal is a fragmented and messy way to go about making deals, as all 27 countries have to unilaterally agree, with economies so vast and varying, from Romania to Germany, Spain to Sweden. Its very high and mighty of the Europeans to think there is no world that exists outside of the EU. The EU is dwindling in power and weight, falling from 40% of world GDP to 17% now, and that's a downward trend. The UK is currently forging much closer ties with its English speaking commonwealth among others, not to mention we have a trade deal with the EU and control over our own laws and a national supreme parliament. Its no wonder other member states are jealous. Im a half German, Half English young Brexiteer. Leaving the EU was never about the economy anyway, but its a damn good argument for leaving if it was one. As it stands, EU regulation has meant the EU are trailing the Covid Vaccines, while the UK is leading in numbers vaccinated, with a British developed Oxford vaccine rolling out right now. The UK has vaccinated more people than the rest of the EU, combined. What are we missing again?
@nautilusshell49693 жыл бұрын
1) Of the 60 trade deals that the UK has signed, perhaps you can tell us how many of them differ substantially from the EU deals they were copied from? Almost all of them are copy-and-paste deals based on the agreements already between the EU and the corresponding country. That includes the Canada deal. The Australians have already said that they are concentrating on getting a deal with the EU rather than with the UK and the Indians won't sign a deal unless it allows free movement of people. Somehow, I doubt that the UK is going to open its doors to 1.2bn Indians when part of the Brexit rhetoric complained about the possibility of 80m Turks being able to come to the UK. 2) Perhaps you can outline the deal that the UK is about to sign with the US? The UK may well sign a deal with the US, but it will have to be approved by Congress, and, following the actions that the UK took with regard to the Withdrawal Agreement last year, I doubt that Congress will look favourably on any deal with the UK if they have the slightest suspicion that the UK will renege on the Northern Ireland protocol. 3) The EU is not as powerful as it used to be in relative terms because other parts of the world are getting richer and more populous. 40 years ago, China and South East Asia were relatively feeble. The fact that the UK has left the EU doesn't mean that it is going to reverse that trend. In fact, as it will have less bargaining power in trade negotiations, it's more likely to find it difficult to fight its own corner in future. 4) We always had control over our own laws and our own parliament. If we didn't have control over them, then we wouldn't have been able to withdraw from the EU in the first place. 5) Covid is a problem for a couple of years, Brexit is a problem for life.
@Olliebobalong3 жыл бұрын
@@nautilusshell4969 1) so if the deals are the same yet we aren’t paying £350million per week, than that’s only a better thing? The trade deal with Japan for example goes above and beyond the Japan EU one did in terms of food and data. Those trade deals are catered to the British economy on a one to one basis with the negotiating country, like any business deal they are more bespoke and far quicker to produce, hence 60 trade deals in less than 12 months. 2) you and google the US U.K. trade deal. The NI issue was one created but the EU which is now a non-issue, and both the Irish and British government saw eye-to-eye on the issue and struggled to see why it was one in the first place. The Americans know how beneficial a U.K. US trade deal is and quite frankly do not care anywhere near as much as they claim. Even in WTO terms with the US, the U.K. is in a more favourable position as the EU doesn’t even have a trade deal with the US. We have leapfrogged them. 3) relative terms or not, that doesn’t change the fact that the EUs power as a block has dwindled over the decades. If that’s due to rising powers or not, that’s irrelevant. 4) the many EU parliaments were supreme over most domestic and foreign policies set in the U.K., with British courts having to abide To EU courts of consumer, human and animal protections which by the way, have always gone far short in key area vs British laws. Holiday allowances and gender pay neutrality was passed in British courts decades before most other European nations and holiday entitlement has been law in the U.K. for nearly 100 years. What about electric pulse shock fishing which EU trawlers use which devastate marine life? Thank god that’s now illegal in British waters. 5) Covid? We have vaccinated at the time of this comment 2.5 million people. By far and away more than the rest of the EU combined.
@nautilusshell49693 жыл бұрын
@@Olliebobalong 1) We never paid £350m a week. the real figure was much closer to £200m a week. That figure was for our access to the single market and the customs union and our ability to determine the associated rules. Now we'll have to adhere to EU standards without determining what they are. The Japan deal differs minimally from the deal negotiated by the EU with Japan. The only reason it was concluded so quickly last year was because the Japanese threatened to break off negotiations and Liz Truss nearly wet her pants. The major differences regarding food related to stilton cheese (something that the Japanese don't eat). An analysis of the deal indicated that 83% of it was favourable to Japan and only 17% favourable to the UK. I repeat, the trade deals that the UK has signed with 3rd countries are effectively copy and paste imitations of the deals that the EU has already signed. 2) The UK doesn't have a trade deal with the US. The US has also indicated that it's more likely to concentrate on a deal with the EU rather than with the UK. 3) The UK will, unfortunately, be more irrelevant than it can possibly imagine. However it will probably take us between 5 and 10 years to realise this. 4) Enough with the 'whataboutery'. We could have abolished pulse fishing years ago if we had wanted to. EU norms are only a base. National governments have always been able to impose higher standards if they want to in the areas such as labour rights. We might have had paid holiday entitlements for the last 100 years, but the paid holiday entitlement in the UK is only 20 days, I believe, whereas it's significantly more in some other EU states. 5) Covid will probably be gone in 2021. Brexit, however, lives on and on.....
@nautilusshell49693 жыл бұрын
@@KuroiGW2 Erm, if you listen to what's been said, the US has been very clear. They won't even entertain the notion of a trade deal with the UK if the UK threatens all the work they've done in the past associated with NI. Their priority, in any case, is to reach an agreement with the EU, NOT with the UK The incoming President AND members of Congress from both parties have been explicit on the first item. And there have been similar noises on the 2nd from various US trade reps. I can't promise that they'll do that - but that's what they've said they'll do. Perhaps you know better and can provide evidence otherwise?
@ersidagalliu25073 жыл бұрын
Britin is make deals only to show her own people look we are indipedent and we will make good deals now but they will not work beacasue for britain us canada and australia are far far away and the pricer will rise too much if you find a product same price in canada and france the product in canada will came to britain double price than french product because is to far and it take 1 to 2 month to came in france fhe product will came just for 22 to 25 h look every country on earht the biggestyrade deals are with countries neighbor or very near theam look usa 45% of export go to cansda and mexico and 48 % import come from again canada and mexico look australia 60 %export import come from southasia countries and britain 55 %export import from eu china 55 export import from southasia indi pakistan the more devoleped the neighbour countries the more economic rise and good trade deals logisitc reason
@roadend783 жыл бұрын
Scotland and Wales and Ireland and Liverpool want to breakaway from England .
@lolazal13 жыл бұрын
And London
@JHatLpool3 жыл бұрын
I hope that you are correct !
@JHatLpool3 жыл бұрын
@@williamMcsweeney2024 Bill, calm yourself !
@ammel57893 жыл бұрын
Yes in your deluded dream
@roadend783 жыл бұрын
@@ammel5789 I think Ireland is nailed on Up the RA .
@peterclareburt45943 жыл бұрын
They don't fully understand how services can work. Mainly a service is about applying a level of knowledge at a price. These services are thereby based in intellectual capital as held by individuals residing in.a given location. Already many of these services sold to the EU from the UK have global cost chains and these cost chains are paid out of the sale. This is therefore a series of exports being totalled as a sale currently from the UK and therefore an export. Now we know that sale will have to be made in the EU, which will become a local sale in the EU and not an export for any country. However the cost chain will still exist, and will have to be paid and may well be a ,series of exports some of which will be from the UK. The change in exports will then be the difference between the end sale and the net cost. The intellectual capital will still reside in the UK and other countries. This intellectual capital cannot be easily moved, as you can say a car manufacturing plant, and it can not be so easily be replaced. Further people forget that of the UK financial services some 85% of such services is currently not EU focused. Already these financial services have to work across multiple jurisdictions, the EU is just one of them, and doesn't impact perhaps 85% of the UJ financial services business.
@horatio713 жыл бұрын
"Can the UK really go it alone?" - seems a little late for the question. Shouldn't the question be "How do we get out of this self inflicted mess?"
@PWingert19663 жыл бұрын
yeah...the EU just said to go to the corner and play with your tallywhacker's
@marksavage11083 жыл бұрын
we sorted of existed for centuries before the eec/eu invented life in 1975. Independence isnt a mess, ask the other Independent countries around the world.
@countmorbid31873 жыл бұрын
@@marksavage1108 😂 You must be an economic genius! Now be quiet and do some research. You're not the great british empire anymore. 😂
@marksavage11083 жыл бұрын
@@countmorbid3187 citizens living in eu member countries 435 million, Commonwealth customers 2,4 Billion with a ````B````. a bigger customer base equals a bigger market and a bigger economic gain. that isnt rocket science, its basic common sense.
@geheimnis81872 жыл бұрын
@@marksavage1108 You can't just base economy on population numbers?? If people don't have money they won't buy anything, also the Commonwealth nations already have suppliers of their own why would they need the UK that is so far away from them? Doesn't make sense. Also the EU is the largest *single market* in the world.
@jameshowe89653 жыл бұрын
The UK has Traded for 1000 years the EU stopped this. The UK's £90 Billion trade Deficit to the EU have they heard of this if they don't want UKs trade then there is 85% of trade in the rest of the World. 4 million EU citizens in the UK must be something wrong in the EU. Italy no growth Germany biggest trade Surplus something wrong.
@navpreetsingh81563 жыл бұрын
The UK has not traded it invaded and colonised in that time, now reality is hitting home as we are no longer a world player on a big stage
@Genevasplaytime2 жыл бұрын
@@navpreetsingh8156 with Canzuk we will be.
@brendancollis90493 жыл бұрын
No positive brexit voice in the panel ... would have been much more interesting to hear a balanced debate which this was not
@angeleyes2c3 жыл бұрын
I visited a pro-brexit channel today and it's full of scaremongering and ridiculous claims. Don't think you can get a balanced debate with them.
@colinstephenson53863 жыл бұрын
Brendan what positive things would you have liked to hear ? I can certainly see where you’re coming from , I’m sure many people would be interested in hearing a positive reason for Britain leaving the EU ,
@ammel57893 жыл бұрын
@@angeleyes2c You are talking BS. Here you have three europhiles and a remainer economist how balance can the discussion be?
@eedragonr62933 жыл бұрын
How many Brexiteers do you believe there are in the EU?
@brendancollis90493 жыл бұрын
@@eedragonr6293 I live in the eu ... you’d be surprised by the sound of it
@TonyHavenMusic3 жыл бұрын
Can the UK go it alone? We act like the EU is an ancient group like the Roman Empire 😆 the EU didn't even exist when our parents were kids, I think UK will be absolutely fine
@KuroiGW23 жыл бұрын
People seem to forget basic history, if it wasn’t for the UK, europe would have been a fascist super state long before any ‘EU Project’.
@ersidagalliu25073 жыл бұрын
@@KuroiGW2 britain cant talk for freedom at all they money are made from stealing killing another population money and another population property britain is not a huge industrial country at all you ancestor gaf made much mistake and dont complain for immigration all they come to britain are from former british colional because is your ancestor mistake that people are starving for food
@indacage2713 жыл бұрын
@@ersidagalliu2507 I have no idea what you wrote?
@ersidagalliu25073 жыл бұрын
@@indacage271 im talking the truth and im sorry for english is not my native language
@ersidagalliu25073 жыл бұрын
@@atlasnetwork7855 im sorry for english is not my nativ language but im speaking the truth
@yorkiegilly4355 Жыл бұрын
This is Britain and we don"t need any foreigners to hold our hands as we go thru life . This place ruled more than half the land surface of the world for many 100s of years and we managed our own economy & borders and fought off many armies that attempted to conquer our tiny island .We are now 6 years into getting back to normal and we will do it because we are British ! . So stop being negative and move - on .
@alanmarr33233 жыл бұрын
My relations are now already finding difficulties exporting to Europe !
@Gggrrrrrrrr233 жыл бұрын
What do you mean “already”? Teething problems go away in time they don’t usually get worse. Be honest Alan, you don’t want Britain to succeed now we’re out.
@daveyturner1003 жыл бұрын
Apart from some paperwork changes it should be a piece of cake, my brother's are in export import business and they seem to be coping with it
@yellowgreen52293 жыл бұрын
I put in an order for £260 in dec, the British supplier couldn't fulfil it and now they want £40 more and are moving half their business to Spain. Brexshit!
@daveyturner1003 жыл бұрын
@@yellowgreen5229 were you importing or exporting ?
@civis.revixit3 жыл бұрын
They'll adapt. Not sure about you though. The UK will be forming the CANZUK alliance and will accede to CPTPP in the foreseeable future. There are abundant opportunities opening up from our trade agreements. The UK will soon have FTAs with Australia and New Zealand, then Malaysia and Brunei. CANZUK next, then cptpp.
@jackryan21353 жыл бұрын
Yea, the UK was a small fishing village before it joined the EU. Never really did much in historical terms.
@markaled49393 жыл бұрын
Very small. France got most of the fish even. Xd
@jonathansimmons53533 жыл бұрын
biggest empire the world has ever seen. piffle compared to all eu countries lol
@goelnuma65273 жыл бұрын
The UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world, what planet are these commenters from? Trade restructuring away from the EU is good for the long-term economy of the UK
@rodhayward8363 жыл бұрын
But in the short-term it is going to hurt very badly. How many generations will it take to recover?
@MarioLanzas.3 жыл бұрын
I believe the EU is about to drop the 100% agreement policy , so the union can finally take more proactive desitions. first of them sainf goodbye to Poland and Hungary if they don´t start behaving as proper EU members
@ellied.violet73723 жыл бұрын
With you in hoping so!!
@kirksavva17483 жыл бұрын
I voted remain, but I just wanted to say I wish you had a less biased team to discuss this.
@theancientsancients17693 жыл бұрын
They hate Britain most! The deal is not perfect but can be cancelled anytime. Britain surpassed India becoming the world 5th largest economy despite the pandemic and France is at number 7 now
@eedragonr62933 жыл бұрын
This is not a debate, this is an analysis. And this is their standpoint. The Brexiteers must come with their analysis and standpoint. Get used to the foreign opinion on the British. The British also have their own opinions. It's hard for a "minority" to not be represented at all by the Brexiteers. But everybody knows who is responsible.
@j.obrien49903 жыл бұрын
Britain can look to the US to see where its current path is leading.
@baronvonlimbourgh17163 жыл бұрын
Bright future indeed lol /s
@michaeltoney22773 жыл бұрын
The US is going to be fine. If anything this is a lesson on how powerful the system is that our founding fathers put in place. Trump is a want to be dictator and has spent four years at war with every democratic institution in the government. Appointing people on purpose to head department with the intent do destroy or misuse the department. Yet still the system worked. Our founding fathers saw the Trumps in the future and put fundamental safeguards in place; they are working. The US will see other aspiring dictators as will all democracies.
@VIVA_CPTPP3 жыл бұрын
utter piffle.
@lamargriffin86963 жыл бұрын
Dont worry about britain europe i mean britain colonized many successful and rather fortunate island nations through out its history .im sure they should be able to handle themselves . From the bahamas i support any choice the british people decide they want becuase thats there life. And if they feel wronged and better off on their own then i support their choice.
@robertracicot72323 жыл бұрын
Autorritarianism and fascism?
@skiteufr3 жыл бұрын
Excuse me but the point on the French fishermen is not correct. French fishermen CAN fish UK waters, they just have to register for autorisation before and on a slighly reduced quota. It's good for them compared to a no access. And British fishermen who land their catch in France have to fill paperwork which basically is already leaving some fish to rot
@luminousfractal4202 жыл бұрын
given boris dumped 1million tonnes of nuclear waste off the welsh coast id be careful what your catching and feeding people as im pretty sure geiger counters arent part of standard food safety tests. it will spread and pollute 40miles inland according to the experts.
@buk36952 жыл бұрын
They CAN fish with authorisation, they just don't get the authorisations from UK
@user-propositionjoe3 жыл бұрын
Of course it can go it alone, as long as it doesn't mind Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving to rejoin. As long as it doesn't mind being a lot poorer in the long run and losing all the benefits of being part of the largest single market on the planet. As long as the poor people in Britain don't mind being poorer and struggling more. As long as everyone doesn't mind higher inflation rates coupled with the pound being weaker. So of course it can go it alone.
@tangaz58193 жыл бұрын
Yes, leave it to little englanders to go it alone. They wanted this, . We didn't!
@jonathansimmons53533 жыл бұрын
the single market doesnt help joe bloggs- when france took the EUro, everything went up 50% overnight- a 3 franc bottle of wine became 3 euros overnight, housing costs went up, and the jobs dried up.. i was there. expect the same again.
@mattcarson33653 жыл бұрын
Get me out of this country! We are a complete laughing stock and an international joke, who in their right mind ever thought leaving the largest free tariff trade market in the world was a good idea - this will be an economic disaster, coupled with a pandemic = the perfect storm!!!
@davew49983 жыл бұрын
@Joe As long as we don't have to suffer fools like you any more with your warped views of democracy, we will be very happy indeed.
@chrisdechristophe3 жыл бұрын
Scotland will not be leaving.
@CalumCarlyle3 жыл бұрын
Lovely freudian slip there at about 6:10 "taking control of their national density"!
@limitlesssky30503 жыл бұрын
Should also use taking control of their national obesity lol
@allazharduisenbek99363 жыл бұрын
@Fantômas 13 as any other European country? Duh?
@AnthonyD-yy2in3 жыл бұрын
@Fantômas 13 Shhhh they don't want to hear that!
@monikamiliczka61043 жыл бұрын
@@limitlesssky3050 init!
@jonathansimmons53533 жыл бұрын
"Poland sending workers to uk"- uk has been taking the hit for this and the effect on the jobs employment for decades..
@laurencethermes54333 жыл бұрын
Britain is not the first to leave the EU. Greenland left a long time ago
@nodrinkingproblemhere90953 жыл бұрын
@ Brexit voter in a nutshell.
@mtnsaray3 жыл бұрын
@@nodrinkingproblemhere9095 LOL
@gianisain88803 жыл бұрын
WOW WELL DONE YOU THICK BREXITER!
@navpreetsingh81563 жыл бұрын
Small population not completely tied into the EU rules, easy break up
@youcan58633 жыл бұрын
Thanks God they did
@SystemBD3 жыл бұрын
Spain will not be against a possible Scottish independence. Even if it compromises the argument against the independence of Catalonia (which the Spanish Government will deny), the idea of sticking it to England after hundreds of years of animosity (see, Gibraltar) is simply too good to pass on.
@andresvillarreal92713 жыл бұрын
I am quite frustrated by the view of Tanja Börzel, who believes that the Spanish will reject Scotland for purely political reasons in regards to the separatist movements inside Spain. If all of the countries of the EU were so petty and shortsighted, there would not be an EU at all. Quite the contrary, a country with economic difficulties like Spain would be more interested in strengthening the union with a good country on the economic front, rather than comparing an incomparable situation like the one in Pais Vasco, for example, with the one in Scotland. And now that I think of it, Spain would also be interested in putting pressure on the situation in Gibraltar, which has much better alternatives for its future if England shows no capacity to hold on to the territories that it has historically engulfed.
@razenby2 жыл бұрын
Scotland is rejecting Scotland...
@user-pd6bd7ir4z3 жыл бұрын
A good debate. Would've been better to have it a bit more balanced but yeah pretty spot on there, most arguments.
@cowbanchalam97253 жыл бұрын
Like having a balanced argument with a flat-earther?
@montumeroe95933 жыл бұрын
"They thought they could be a tax haven and export their services to the EU? Be my guest!" LOL
@lewisbrand3 жыл бұрын
The stunning ignorance of many Europeans is extraordinary. London is the number one financial capital of the whole world, Paris and Frankfurt are not even in the top twenty. Barriers to services ? yes, but not in Europe: it's any barriers to access the London markets FROM Europe that Europeans should be concerned about.
@montumeroe95933 жыл бұрын
@@lewisbrand You're having a laugh an American talking about ignorance LOL.
@montumeroe95933 жыл бұрын
@@lewisbrand You're having a laugh an American talking about ignorance LOL.
@lewisbrand3 жыл бұрын
@@montumeroe9593 I'm British
@montumeroe95933 жыл бұрын
@@lewisbrand Even more delusional a British Empire person who doesn't realise the Empire is gone. England doing bang up job with Corona compared to say Senegal with not even 1/3 of England's GDP.
@thomasdanielsen99413 жыл бұрын
21:34 sure, and still everything was wrong with the EU. I am extremly happy that the UK is no longer a member or part of the EU. Finally we can focus on whats in the interest of the EU
@0penminds3 жыл бұрын
And you are most welcome to it.
@marksavage11083 жыл бұрын
Finally, you can focus on the next to want to leave, Macron on UK television stated if France was given a vote they would follow the UK. I say on guy verhofstadt facebook page often, give the 27 in / out referendums, you can carry on with those who vote for it. you can only take the people along the path, they themselves choose to be on.
@ellied.violet73723 жыл бұрын
@@marksavage1108 In the EU27, everyone can have a referendum if they wish to. If they don't it means they don't need one because people are content with the status quo. Show me the EU statute which prevents anyone of doing so. The UK did not need to ask the EU's permission, did they?
@yoicksitsyorick3173 жыл бұрын
Professor Tanja says (12.00 minutes in) -''The 27 members (of the EU) have been incredibly united...when negotiating with the UK'' - Not true, Germany has been secretly negotiating with the UK for the past 6 months months: Brexit: Bundesregierung verhandelte separat mit Großbritannien - DER SPIEGEL - Politik Heiko Maas, the German Foreign Minister, has been holding bilateral talks with the UK, reports Der Spiegel. Macron knew about them, but not MEPs. Federalist MEPs are deflated, and no wonder: their similar proclamations about EU unity in the face of Brexit were just hot air after all.
@navpreetsingh81563 жыл бұрын
Why would Germany hold talks with the UK without the EU being involved as they can't agree anything without them?
@briansykes28063 жыл бұрын
Much of the financial services sector involves money laundering, and hence clauses concerning it will not figure in Trade Agreements.
@najjee23 жыл бұрын
You r soo right and I know that's the only veto Britain has on Brexit. But the EU is aware and guess they won't have money laundering at their door step.
@alinemichele74863 жыл бұрын
Trade agreement is a disaster. I've tried to order some French products, and the costs of delivery and customs are astronomical.
@martymcdermott673 жыл бұрын
That has nothing to do with the trade agreement. You said the word yourself .. customs. The UK has left the Customs Union and Single Market, The best trade agreement in the world does not negate this. The extra costs you talk about are customs payable. Because the UK is now ... outside the Customs Union! The extra costs are not tariff or quota related.
@maryreid42732 жыл бұрын
Could you find alternative British products, just a thought.
@Asian-Outdoors3 жыл бұрын
I am from Scotland. We don't want to be part of UK, We want to join the EU.
@daveyturner1003 жыл бұрын
But they don't want you because you would be a financial mill stone around their necks
@Asian-Outdoors3 жыл бұрын
@@Sabakinno 😭😭😭
@cueball69693 жыл бұрын
2014 ring a bell?
@piotrwojdelko11503 жыл бұрын
good luck
@ezzmuch23913 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome
@bartomalatesta56523 жыл бұрын
Yes, however I'm still waiting for the promised free Marmite and Unicorns
@DavidWilliams-DSW5583 жыл бұрын
How about the sovereign tea and free rum?
@bartomalatesta56523 жыл бұрын
@The Alchemist yes and the UK will also take back the colonies it lost in North America
@commonsense91763 жыл бұрын
Hate marmite unicorns are nice though
@areswalker56473 жыл бұрын
@Piston Broke what prosperity? Britain needed to colonize countries all over the world in order to have enough to sustain itself, now what will it do?
@bearsagainstevil3 жыл бұрын
@@areswalker5647 no they had a industrial revolution before everybody else
@marcbachelet23223 жыл бұрын
England will go it alone. Scotland will get independent and join the EU.
@Dunnlrs3 жыл бұрын
That’s I’df the EU wants them. What I hear is the opposite. Does the EU want Greece 2.0? I doubt that.
@silversurfermusicco52633 жыл бұрын
Man in pub=brexit will solve my problems and fuel my prejudices. 2021 man in pub is homeless on frozen bench dead
@Abraham_Tsfaye3 жыл бұрын
When I was in UK. I saw empty boarded up streets under a constant grey sky, litter everywhere. Homeless people sleeping in doorways. Opioid addicts out of their mind and women so drunk they urinated on the streets. It's a sad declined country
@sweetpeasweetpea50833 жыл бұрын
my park of the UK is not like that- away from some of the large cities life is different, very different ... and not in decline either
@jameslugg11493 жыл бұрын
are you on drugs ? have you seen Paris lately
@kamanashiskar92033 жыл бұрын
That's why they are bringing in foreigners from South-East Asia so they can get rid of the ethnic Brits.
@mangojack14873 жыл бұрын
That’s what being a member of the EU does to a country. The druggies were probably from Holland or France. They were there to get the free benefits.
@kauswekazilimani37363 жыл бұрын
@@mangojack1487 The English love their Ket though.
@Jay...7773 жыл бұрын
As soon as any EU customer has to pay exorbitant customs duty on a UK purchase - NEVER AGAIN. UK businesses wanting to sell into Europe are finished. It will only get worse with each and every experience of customers buying British only to be ripped off. It will be a steady decline to ZERO.
@josepharrr37123 жыл бұрын
Uk can go alone,cuz uk has allies like usa,japan... I mean eu is not important for them,cuz they were independent from eu when they were in the eu.
@imperator7913 жыл бұрын
EU's GDP to World percantage wise is decreasing every year by year 17% in 2014 14% in 2024 UK will make the most out of Brexit and even if France and Italy leave after two or 3 years, they will not bear the fruits of leaving EU as much as the first nation which is of course UK will make UK will become the Singapore of Europe As money from all over the world will flow into Britain As UK will make rules a lot easier For 2 to 3 years UK needs to be calm and then slowly in a timely manner it should diverge from the EU and its Rules
@iparipaitegianiparipaitegi46433 жыл бұрын
@@imperator791. Wishful thinking. Come back to Earth.
@imperator7913 жыл бұрын
@@iparipaitegianiparipaitegi4643 Have ur Brain Checked up ASAP
@yannikoloff76593 жыл бұрын
Somebody thinks it's been legalisation in UK
@seanpatrick12433 жыл бұрын
I’m not so sure Spain would vote against Scotland joining the EU. The details situation is quite different than Catalonia, even if the optics make them appear more similar than they are.
@seanpatrick12433 жыл бұрын
@Davy Yep, all because Downing Street is pulling the strings. Wasn't Brexit about sovereignty? . . . taking back control? . . . I doubt Scotland feels the need for their own currency, but they could easily created one pegged to the Euro until they rejoin . . . Anything is better than going down the toilet with the £
@laurentiullukacs59193 жыл бұрын
You know noting ha ha ha
@seanpatrick12433 жыл бұрын
@@laurentiullukacs5919 Enlighten us
@laurentiullukacs59193 жыл бұрын
It was for dany not for you Mr shean Patrick your comment is correct i still learning KZfaq's commentary sorry my first language is not English
@laurentiullukacs59193 жыл бұрын
@@seanpatrick1243 what you know about passports politics dat is really what's happens currency is a side effect today everybody i asking where you form not what's your name
@AndersHenke3 жыл бұрын
17:20: The British government has clearly laid out the primary focus of British economy while negotiating the agreement with the EU: the UK is looking forward to become a superpower in fishing 😉
@marcellosgarbini7593 жыл бұрын
😂🤣
@Olliebobalong3 жыл бұрын
Flip that around; the EU were crying over the idea of the UK obtaining their fishing waters again, with the French blocking it wherever they could. Pathetic.
@eedragonr62933 жыл бұрын
Well the chips... In the European waters do you mean?
@tkzsfen3 жыл бұрын
Correction: the UK is not the first country to leave the EU. Greenland did it before them.
@jacekboczarski66983 жыл бұрын
Greenland is NOT a (sovereign) country like UK is.
@tkzsfen3 жыл бұрын
@@jacekboczarski6698 yes, but it became such and then left, right?
@user-nf9xc7ww7m3 жыл бұрын
How does singapore do it? They're a sovereign nation smaller than Oxfordshire that manages economic success and GDP per capita of $107,000 PPP. They have a hard border with Malaysia, but also have access to the sea, just like Britain. I'm no Brexiteer, just curious about the doom and gloom...
@user-nf9xc7ww7m3 жыл бұрын
@@elyrexo Thank you.
@thewingedhussar41883 жыл бұрын
What the lady is forgetting, is the fact that Spain was against Scotland leaving the UK and joining the EU. WAS because they feared the provinces in their own country might get the same idea. However, that is not the case now. IF they leave the UK, it will be outside of the EU and won't set precedent. Also i think it would then be wise, for the PM of Scotland to go and talk with the EU first. Test the waters as it were.
@LoEMDubstep3 жыл бұрын
The scottish got their bargaining chip!
@therealrobertbirchall3 жыл бұрын
Scotland is not a province it is the oldest unitary state in Europe
@thewingedhussar41883 жыл бұрын
@@LoEMDubstep amen
@neckozeusa2 жыл бұрын
The Scotts have to make their decision first; without anybody's influence. Otherwise, England will use that as foreign interference in intern matters and accuse Scots of treason.
@user-in9iw5lb8b3 жыл бұрын
What about Norway 🇳🇴 ? Don’t they have a referendum on the EU in 1994 ?
@jerryorange69833 жыл бұрын
The fact is that British people still support the Brexit. Perhaps that will change but no one cares about consequences so far.
@bugsygoo3 жыл бұрын
Based on what? I haven't seen those polls. All the polls I see is that they would support remaining.
@jerryorange69833 жыл бұрын
@@bugsygoo lost cause. Perhaps that will change at some point but it will only happen when the damage is too great to reverse.
@thomasjamison20502 жыл бұрын
I love the part about 'how it's going to turn sour?" Shouldn't someone who made the deal have known?
@Stew2823 жыл бұрын
This would have been a much better discussion if you had brought in someone who knew what they were talking about.
@SatisfactionUK3 жыл бұрын
People are forgetting the fundamental reason why the British voted to leave the EU. That reason was because the EU are moving towards a Federal states of Europe. A bit like the United states of america. The British did not want to be part of the United States of Europe.
@refugeg2713 жыл бұрын
The Brits a country of people without a flag! It is illegal to fly the Union Flag as a subject of the Crown.
@rext89493 жыл бұрын
Like an irresponsible petulant kid.
@tmabdiminti10403 жыл бұрын
This is news to me
@pinklickpony3 жыл бұрын
I did, I think more federalism would have been better. We could have begun to protect people from our own self-serving greedy arsed politicians for a start!
@pinklickpony3 жыл бұрын
@@refugeg271 The union flag is not English you know, that’s why you shouldn’t fly it except in certain circumstances.
@djlondon79563 жыл бұрын
To be clear: I voted to remain in the EU. But Brexit is not, was NOT and HAS NEVER BEEN about "going it alone". We're not alone there is a whole world still here to work with. Being without the EU does not make a country ALONE in any sense whatsoever.
@patarciepaul3 жыл бұрын
So have you taken into consideration the distances to these countries outside the EU and the costs involved? Also the EU is not alone in the world as it has over 650 various agreements/ trade deals with many countries of which the UK had full access to and did use. I think you really need to re-evaluate your argument for brexit.
@djlondon79563 жыл бұрын
@@patarciepaul The broadcast programme was misnamed, in my opinion. Your points don't invalidate mine. I'm not arguing for Brexit however as I voted against it, if you don't mind my repeating myself. I think you really need to read what I wrote.
@ceblsclinic56133 жыл бұрын
Where was the other side in this discussion? Why were they not invited? Or did they refuse to attend?
@miriamllamas2243 жыл бұрын
Unicorns were not allowed in the studio.
@bjornsantens90303 жыл бұрын
There are no both side when it comes to facts
@maryreid42732 жыл бұрын
@@bjornsantens9030 a debate isn't a debate when they all think the same.
@giggino8433 жыл бұрын
The EU will flourish without Britain
@KuroiGW23 жыл бұрын
Until your German friends turn to fascism again
@hattix72333 жыл бұрын
How when the EU market hasn’t grown in 10 years and has just lost a country worth 18-19 of the smaller countries in terms of economy? Unless you mean that the political integration process can go on unimpeded now. If people want a United States of Europe that’s fine. If they don’t, expect more countries to leave. Even if they do, it’s hard to create a United States of Europe out of some many separate cultures and languages. Europe hasn’t been politically unified since Roman times so not exactly a modest or easy project. In the meantime, as the EU - in its current form in sufficiently democratic as less than 50% of people vote in Eu elections [making it a non-functional democracy] - undermines national democratic states expect a rise in extreme politics. Staying in EU is a risk too!
@annemitchell61443 жыл бұрын
@@hattix7233 Well that's not your business you chose to leave get on with it
@bugsygoo3 жыл бұрын
My God the introductions make for cringe worthy TV!
@donhuang98553 жыл бұрын
The billion $ question: Will the UK be better-off after BREXIT in the long run?
@PaulBengtsson3 жыл бұрын
@@donhuang9855 Yes.
@donhuang98553 жыл бұрын
@@PaulBengtsson Brave answer.
@jameslugg11493 жыл бұрын
more euro trash TV
@bernd_das_brot69113 жыл бұрын
@@PaulBengtsson based and redpilled
@youcan58633 жыл бұрын
England is no longer in the club but wants all the benefits. So childlike !
@roisinmalone30153 жыл бұрын
Spain has said it wouldn't veto Scotland's membership of the EU
@lewisbrand3 жыл бұрын
no, Spain has actually said the opposite
@roisinmalone30153 жыл бұрын
@@lewisbrand I am sorry but you are incorrect Spain wouldn't veto Scotland's membership. Spain objected to Scotland joining when the UK was a member of the EU re issues with Catalonia Britain is now a third country and no longer an EU member.
@lewisbrand3 жыл бұрын
@@roisinmalone3015 and Scotland is part of the UK
@roisinmalone30153 жыл бұрын
@@lewisbrand At the moment. The issue is re an independent Scotland joining the EU and Spain
@lewisbrand3 жыл бұрын
@@roisinmalone3015 no it isn't. there will not be another Sottish independence referendum for many years
@shaunh53163 жыл бұрын
What the people on the panel don’t really understand is that many (probably most) people in the UK regard the EU as an extremely bureaucratic institution, that serves little purpose to them and their lives. “Europe” is little more than a holiday destination, rather than something they are part of or belong to. That’s just the way it is. The mechanics of trade between the EU and UK matter little to the average Brit. Nor do they have the time or money to spend more than 90 days in Spain each year or have a holiday home in France.
@kasiatokarz72303 жыл бұрын
@shaun h you have now made a few brits upset by making them aware that they are poor and most of them have a very average existence.
@shaunh53163 жыл бұрын
@@kasiatokarz7230 The main concern of most Brits at the moment is the pandemic.
@yannikoloff76593 жыл бұрын
And because of that UK will employ 50 000 more border agents...
@kasiatokarz72303 жыл бұрын
@@elyrexo the UK will continue to pay, this is the deal. Even brexit does not come for free.
@kasiatokarz72303 жыл бұрын
@@shaunh5316 which will bring even more financial depression
@gamingtonight15263 жыл бұрын
Not in a world where every other country is in a trade/political group, and where we have a global economy with global corporations. Expect permanently high unemployment, homelessness, inflation; and many laws that help workers and consumers will be taken away.
@baronvonlimbourgh17163 жыл бұрын
Welcome to brexit britain.
@graveperil21693 жыл бұрын
the UK will join CPTPP
@markd75813 жыл бұрын
Haha pick up a book mate
@gamingtonight15263 жыл бұрын
@@markd7581 Who was that aimed at? Bad English....
@markd75813 жыл бұрын
@@gamingtonight1526 I don’t think you understand English. That comment was obviously for you otherwise I would have specifically replied to someone else’s comment.
@edharris23953 жыл бұрын
Tanja's face when the other two are not necessarily agreeing ... priceless
@gingernutpreacher3 жыл бұрын
She smiles when the Britain comes worse off
@edharris23952 жыл бұрын
@@gingernutpreacher whats the britain
@gingernutpreacher2 жыл бұрын
@@edharris2395 the Britain is like LA atom bomb or LA knob
@Sabljar3 жыл бұрын
GB, welcome to the no-EU club! Greetz from Bosnia 😂😂
@eggymixes3 жыл бұрын
You couldn’t get more myopic reporting on Brexit than by having someone from the Economist and a German political scientist.
@hopeforbetter3823 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can, just look back at the Brexit campaign before the referendum.
@Blackbirdxd3 жыл бұрын
Sure, I bet you're a The Sun reader
@eggymixes3 жыл бұрын
Blackbird Nope.
@bobblue_west3 жыл бұрын
Agree. Must be great getting paid to spout your prejudices while trying to sound scholarly.
@aminumohammed29573 жыл бұрын
🤣 we need to get over this debate, the U.K. has left and please most countries in the world are on their own. Don’t need to be part of a block to survive. We have heard all this analysis in the pass and please, let’s move on
@pyellard30133 жыл бұрын
Yep.. The UK can be alone.. But has agreed to a LPF with EU with 'right' to diverge only by permission of arbitration and penalties. .. The UK continues to pay into things like Euratom and has continued freedom of movement with Eire.. But, yep, it now can negotiate its own trade deals.. Like Canada, right? Canada also had to agreed to level playing field provisions with the EU.. Not as extensive as the UK has as it covers less products.. More importantly note how Trump tore up Nafta and imposed his own terms.. Canada had to agree..Size matters in trade.. But China will give the UK a good deal.. Provided it Kowtows to them on Hong Kong, Tawain, Tibet and Pacific I island grabbing...
@yannikoloff76593 жыл бұрын
Mohammed speaks for UK. I wonder what is Brexiteers thinks about that?
@willieckaslike Жыл бұрын
With the decimation of both farming & fishing, following Brexit I cannot see how Britain can survive alone. With the imminent re-unfication of Ireland, and an independent Scotland, I can't for the life of me see it lasting more than a decade. The Welsh have yet to let their feelings be known, but in reality it is the 'little Englanders' who will 'go it alone. They have already lost the trust of many Nations. They closed the door on their best and safest market. They have resorted to very undiplomatic behaviour. Many companies both large & small have already left Britain for Europe, and no doubt many more will follow. This will obviously result in higher prices, higher taxation and increased borrowing. But for how long can that go on ?
@paulcavanagh93703 жыл бұрын
Surely the question should be,why not? If people wish to trade fairly without political intervention everyone should benefit. Unfortunately the EU placed its political project above everything else, and look what has happened.
@kaba_me3 жыл бұрын
The lady is 100% wrong about Spain vetoing Scotland (24:42). Slovenia and Croatia used to be part of Yugoslavia... A non-EU country, just like the UK is now.
@hattix72333 жыл бұрын
The problem is the parallel that exists between Scotland and Catalonia.
@kaba_me3 жыл бұрын
@@hattix7233 What makes it a parallel exactly? Catalonia is part of an EU country whereas Scotland is NOT. The parallel is with Slovenia, which left Yugoslavia and joined the EU. Other examples are Croatia, Czech Republic, and Slovakia. Separation before joining the EU is not an issue.
@edwardkelly91843 жыл бұрын
Excellent and insightful video. Many thanks to the presenter and participants. Hats off to all present
@drrd41272 жыл бұрын
You for get that the UK is literally a union in itself, it is 4 countries in one. So yeah, the UK has the economy of 4 countries not one. New Zealand has the economy of 1 country and they are doing just fine.
@epicellen72993 жыл бұрын
Britain has been independent before, it can go alone again.
@VIVA_CPTPP3 жыл бұрын
Prices will not increase, they will go down. The UK has lodged its tariff schedule with the WTO and has removed tariffs from 87.5% of imports on goods by value. That means the UK can import from competitive markets outside the EU, and that will lower prices of goods both for consumers and manufacturers.
@yannikoloff76593 жыл бұрын
No it can't. EU standarts not allowing it. You see, you became to be rule taker, not rule maker
@VIVA_CPTPP3 жыл бұрын
@@yannikoloff7659 🙄 We already did.
@lordanonimmo76993 жыл бұрын
That's not how it works,the EU can have much better deals than the UK alone.UK to actually have great deals it will need to negotiate with smaller economies that aren't that great to deal to begin with.The EU being the biggest or second biggest economy on earth i can't remember right now,can make great deals for all it's members,now the uk doesn't have this and will be in a big disadvantage than when it was with the EU,especially negotiating with countries like U.S and China.
@VIVA_CPTPP3 жыл бұрын
@@lordanonimmo7699 Tough. We've left the EU.
@VIVA_CPTPP3 жыл бұрын
@@lordanonimmo7699 I'm not interested in your rubbish.
@pjmann19503 жыл бұрын
Imagine you have a one year old child , you need to think about his or hers democratic future. After 40 years in the EU it would be hard to leave but not impossible .In 40 years time do you really think your child could use a democratic vote to leave if they choose? I dont think so do you ??By that time we could never get out wake up people. Well done UK
@Sketchmee53 жыл бұрын
Only time will be the judge on Brexit.
@mrkp10003 жыл бұрын
Very biased debate!
@teddyboysdontknit8103 жыл бұрын
You mean not your view.
@mangojack14873 жыл бұрын
Yes it was a it lopsided.
@montumeroe95933 жыл бұрын
Great discussion.
@alexgreenaway42313 жыл бұрын
I'm a dual British and US citizen residing in the US. A British supporter of Brexit whom I met at a New York airport referred to trading with the US (3'000km away) as an alternative. I had to break the news that it was pure fantasy unless labor regime raced to the bottom to mirror China's.
@alcorpage3 жыл бұрын
Repeal the EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive (2016/1164) and the Tory Party Paymasters will change their tune. There is, however, a small element in the Establishment that regards the essential point is to break up the EU and hope that the UK has shown the way to other Member States to leave. It's traditional British foreign policy to act as a counterbalance to any bloc in Europe, and the EU put paid to that.
@johnfisher6973 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you, This was all about Tory Tax Avoidance, however even if the Tories changed their view's would the EU let us back in.? I suspect they would let us dangle for a few years in a kind of purgatory, before anything may be decided, if ever.
@Overcookedhamburger3 жыл бұрын
Is brexit a good idea ? We have 3 people who say no tonight at 9.
@iblendallday3 жыл бұрын
All.in Europe though lol
@nitr82 жыл бұрын
"Nein" at 9
@Overcookedhamburger2 жыл бұрын
Nine um neun. Ich komme aus kanada. Ich stehe für CANZUK. Aber auch für Der EU und Deutschland.