just like politics. You don't matter

i blame at least partially the consumer, always chasing the lowest cost. in general as whole on the topic of chinese everything

Milwaukee has been chinese owned for a long time. That's why they are made in china.

Yep. Short term “gains.” No one feels pride in the longevity and quality anymore. Reputation doesn’t mean what it once did, until someone else comes along and does it better.

They say if it was maid in the usa we could not afford the products so we buy from china one every year decause thevproduct is junk just give me the one made in usa for christ sake and i will pay more what's the diff ha ha

Absolutely

Yup! My friend sold me his old B&S edger from the mid 70’s….. still runs like a clock

@@treeroofgrass and will for many years to come with some simple maintenance

And I get questions why I keep picking up discarded lawn equipment and repairing them. Working in lawn service, it's cheaper to just switch to a back up mower if one breaks down than it is to just have one mower and have to order parts, miss days of work waiting for parts in the mail, installing new parts if the weather allows (temperate climate, lots of rain), and rigorous testing to make sure the part is installed or working as it should. I have received defects that set back repairs for a few days and if it wasn't for owning more than one piece of equipment, I'd lose money for a week.

@@dekoldrick I have a minimum of 2 of everything so no down time

I have one with a camshaft failure.

Great Statement

Who runs these days anyways?!?

@@Farmall4ever in my white Chinese Reebok’s, of course.!

It is so dangerous, you might break the scissors!

Lol!!!!!!

WE LOVE DACTYL. From the land of Sky Blue Waters

Doesn't what your working on I come across all kinds of brand parts failures.

U R not the only one.... I got my JD LX172 stuffed a Kawasaki 17hp under the hood. It's a little rough on PTOs but man does it cut. I added a 48 inch deck to her. Then I have my old Craftsman GT6000 which can pull about 1,000lbs of firewood in the trailer same as the LX172. Then I have my old Toybilt Troybilt Super Bronco and man do I beat the poo out that thing and it just keeps going. Some long long time ago I got the Super Bronco with a bad Briggs opposed Twin. I found a NEW OPPOSED TWIN replacement engine new in the engine crate at a friggin yard in Bloomsburg Pa..... I paid $25 for that motor... Put that in her 10 years ago and it runs like a nuclear powered swiss watch. I go thru thick high grass and the thing throws the grass 15-20 feet from the mower. I can't complain about my antique tractor collection. I have a 2006 MTD Yard Man with that Kohler Courage Twin that likes to lock up in the cold weather. Sort of straightened it out using 5W30 oil and I might drop down to a 20 weight oil seems thick oil makes it super hard to crank over especially in cool/cold weather. But hey they all run and cut awesome. Had a JD110 and JD111 I think they were. The died in the line of duty not to mention them plastic hoods broke from sunlight. I guess with a Deere mower its best to cut your grass at night if ya wanna keep the plastic hood intact... I was actually cutting all straight runs of grass the time the hood just fell the frick off the mountings sheered clean off at the hinge area and no I never hit anything with the tractor it had a big bumper on it both of em did.. The older the tractor the better they R.... I keep an eye out for whatever I see. I often rebuild the motors it's the only way. However with the shortage of parts now days I have 2 motors here I cannot put back together at present. Just so folks don't get confused the Super Broncos came with either a single cyl or twin Briggs or Kohler. Someone had wired that old Briggs in the machine I bought used. I noticed the wiring for the PTO boogered up. Probably what blew the engine up when the electric PTO shorted out...

Hoes to show where peoples priorites are 💰

Exactly, the new stuff is junk. That said and knock on wood, one v-twin lawn tractor I bought over 15 years ago is still going strong. The 25hp is a beast when they're running right.

The design was bad in the first place. The cheap part made it an ongoing nightmare. Junk plus junk=junk!

Who at Briggs is in charge? Who do we write to?

@@chaunceylocklear3661 Oh the days when writing a letter had sway.........

YEP well said

Why do the brits drink warm beer? . . . Their refrigerators are made by Lucas.

even the Toyota vehicles....look alikes. ANALYSIS '' made in china '' = don't buy it...... xcept for maybe plastic forks and spoons...

Many times as the name Joseph Lucas been taken in vain on a suddenly darkened road... Joseph Lucas - the prince of darkness.

@@jeffvalasek4774 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Intentional economic sabotage.

@@jima3129 I'd wager the starter is small ,but they use it for everything from a 5 to a 18hp (or whatever is the biggest) single cylinder. Add a compression release and you can use a downsized starter.

@@MrTheHillfolk and battery, and cables and alternator

@@jima3129 That's a good question. Why does the compression release have to be buried in the engine? What can't there be manual compression release valve on the exterior, like we see on larger chainsaws. When the pressure goes up when the engine "fires up," it'll shut automatically.

@@MrTheHillfolk They use the same starter for V twins, but those don't have a compression release.

they cheaped out on everything

do not buy a G E REFRIGERATOR

Around here, the old lawn tractors are dying out. Everyone's upgrading to zero-turns. The old, used riders are going for pennies on the dollar. There's not a single small engine shop that couldn't fill up three acres with "for parts only" riders in one season. Which is pointless, because because you can get only $500 at most for a reburished model.

Infinite Timing Adjustment 😂😂

@@chrischiampo7647 That's what I was gonna say. Variable valve timing!

Looks like you have to finish assembly with the welder at home.

Yeah, set the valves where you want to run them

it‘ a simplified version of BMW‘s VANOS

If you read enough comments there is usually someone who has figured out the real scoop. You get the gold star!

Interesting find. Sounds plausible too. It's amazing how many problems are blamed on a manufacturer or a mechanic when someone simply didn't read the manual..

Well I just broke my second Briggs cam shaft compression relief doohickey. Changed the original cam 5 years ago. I have never shut my engine down at anything other than WFO. Its a Sh*t design and they know it. Just saw a guy take the air filter off cap the intake with his hand hit the starter no air into the cylinder no compression. Quickly remove the blockage and she fires right off. Replace the filter and get to mowing!

@@icemanxxxv that will work for awhile, maybe forever, but when Al, those chunks of Metal that fell into the Crankcase get into something like the CamShaft Drive Gear., or stuck under the Vibration Dampener, of even get kicked up into the Block, something else is going to let go and break. I have seen the Block get cracked because a piece of the Counter Weight got caught between the Cylinder Rod and the a crank Case. I know it is a nasty Job to pull the Engine to replace the Compression relieve,. I know that there are very few Original Briggs Camshafts out there and they want a premium price for them. Replacing the broken Compression relieve mechanism is better than replacing all the otherParts that are going to break in time. I replaced my Briggs with an after market and it is still working. Shut my engine down about half throttle. I even raise the Hood and watch to see if it kicks backwards. I have also started turning it off with the PTO, Engaged to add just a little more Torque to the crankshaft when it is winding down. It is a bad design by Briggs, but it is cheaper than buying another Mower or another Engine. After Market Part s ay be cheaply made, but remember the original Briggs Part broke also.

Thanks

And (on Fleabay) OEM will usually mean/be OEM.

How's it doing?

@@0xXAllForNothingXx0 Still running perfect!

@@champaigncountycoyotehunte5494 thanks! Do you remember which brand you purchased? I'm about to do one on my mom's mower.

china don't do quality control ... every unit is sold ... they don't care if you come back to buy again they got your $ this time its all they want. what do you expect from a communist country thats run like the mafia just like ukraine its why biden is so close to them.. they are all scamming, ripoff criminals

A fellow once told me that half the parts from NAPA etc. are original equipment pieces rejected from major manufacturers at the factory....🤷‍♂️

Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ran into the same thing with Kohler parts. Back ordered through Kohler, JD had it in stock under their own part number.

If you ask the price of a JD part you'll know the reason why they have stock. :-)

@@JoshDurston they’re actually not that bad compared to Briggs pricing. If ya need it, ya need it. I’ll buy a John Deere/Briggs cam all day instead of waiting till the fall of 22. Customers don’t want to hear that they’ll have to wait till fall

touch of weld is what I was thinking too. Shame any of this is a weak link in a POS motor.

just like our politicians !!

the slant 6 ...bulletproof.

Maybe the reason B&S can't get the cams is because chinese are selling them on the interscreen. They know they're cheap crap and see a market.

@@ralphwatten2426 I would have thought patents and copy right come into this.

i agree with what you have to say where i work 9 out 10 tractors and mowers have BAD CAMS and also i agree the Honda that has no belt GUARD is a FLIPPING JOKE seen it all ready 1 year old and all ready problems with the drive system getting clogged with debris ... is it funny i would say not paying $ 400 to $ 500 hundred dollars for a mower is not a joke and a lawn tractor at $ 2000,00 to $ 50000.00 grand for a lawn tractor to last a year or 2 is a FLIPPING SHAME

@@rogerstlaurent8704 It is pure greed, with the growth of populations they have a continuous stream of new customers they do not have to rip of the old customers.

I am fed up with changing these out. Some even twice. Now we take all the pieces out ,change oil and install cam without compression release. After this happens go buy a 100 dollar 1000 amp booster pac or manually turn engine past compression. They will start. Put up with a bit of an inconvenience or keep paying 100s of dollars. Simple as that

I shouted-out Tuff Torque on one of Louis's r2r videos, linking Taryl's video on Tuff Torque's parts and tools webpages. Louis deleted the comment.

the snap on one was probably made in the same place as the harbour freight jack just labeled different

The Horror Freight and Snap On jacks are not the same. While the H.F. jack looks like the S.O. jack, the internals are vastly different. The S.O. jack uses a tried and proven U-cup on the ram, while the H.F. jack uses... wait for it... an O-RING. Oh yeah... a fookin' o-ring.

Or a better starter !!

I have to laugh when liberals got upset Trumps daughter had chinese patents. I have never heard of them copying products they have patents on. It is only ours they will ignore.

Have same crap mower with the same problem right now lol but hey the hood comes off easy you know how those hoods want to fall off these yts lol

@@thunderroad7289 I have a small engine shop and I am semi retired. I see lots of those broken cam compression release issues with mowers and snow blowers. Shame on Briggs for that crap.

I have had a aftermarket cam for 3yrs now! guess I am one of the lucky few!!

Hey just did one on a yts 3000 is the valve train sound/minor ticking normal noise? It’s definitely more obvious at idle, but it sure isn’t a rod knock. I checked the valve like 3 times and they are in spec.

Briggs and Scrapem is a term used in the UK for their engines

But I bet that they found the time to celebrate pride week.

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Yep. Corporations don’t give a duck

All I need is the spring on mine. How do I remove the decompression mechanism?

It's amazing what u can work with when u have to

Same here, since day 1

I work at a Lawn mower repair shop and we see this all the time on them too! And you are right Briggs needs to learned from Tecumseh there engine were crap! And briggs almost went out of business sometimes after they got out of buisness its to late! But for everyone if we has repair shop do this win these mowers come in for a service adjust those valve's we do this in our shop and we did find out it does help! But still those cam shafts are junk anyway!

@@PrometricUSA you are right the old one was better! Now as the predator engine we see a lot of them in our shop and so on and ther biggers thing we see for repair is people putting old gas in them like everything else! But that is it good running engine.

I had no idea Tecumseh was out of business. I still have a Tecumseh engine from 1998 that still starts on the second pull. The mower itself rusted out a long time ago but I kept the engine.

I learned on Tecumseh and seems like we always had one and still do. I hope some companies reproduce the parts you have a hard time finding now. If it runs every year, gives decent service, you think enough to care for it's needs, why buy Chinese throw aways?

@@dannylinc6247 I think there is some stuff and get like after market. Whats is really bad right now is Briggs stuff you can not on them. My thing is what is it going to look like in 5 years from now? I really don't no!

Yea but the ratings dont really cover 10 year periods. I could buy a governor today, install it, works fine..but in 3 years after dying prematurely, could i find the site and re- rate the part? ..no, not likely

I know one thing that is absolutely Chinese junk. Craftsman MTD Chinese aftermarket wood chipper blades. The cheapest ones I could find on eBay were seven dollars a pair. Shattered to a million pieces on the first skinny twig I put through there after installing them. May as well have been made out of peanut brittle. What’s more is they were half the thickness as the OEM blades. Did nobody take into account the head space tolerance specification regarding the gap measurement between the chute anvil landing ledge and the cutting edge of the blades? Skinny blades increased the gap by about .100”. Try loosening the screw in the middle of a pair of scissors a couple turns and cutting something. Same effect with the skinny Chinee blades on a wood chipper. Oh and the item description! A complete spew of outright lies. “Highest quality steel“ “durable and long-lasting“ “precision manufactured” “Surgically sharp edge honed by experts”… it was crap steel of the poorest quality that didn’t last two seconds, and the moron who sharpened it burned a big old purple and gold rainbow on one end. Then when I tried to return them they told me the reason the blades exploded instantly was that I must’ve dropped a screw in the drum housing or something. I was dangerously close to swimming my ass clear over to China and dropping a few screws down that sellers throat! In short, wood chipper blades are not the type of thing you want to try and save money on. And China is a bunch of bald face disingenuous lying rapscallions and purveyors of grievously shoddy nonfunctional knock off garbage products that if taken to the nearest landfill and set afire would spare millions of people worldwide the pain, suffering, and heartache of toiling in futility with inferior replacement parts which perform reliably only if used as April fools jokes.

Does Predator make a larger vertical shaft engine?

Yes! Why doesn’t someone do this?

Agreed

There are. But they would end up getting sued into the dirt unfortunately once corporate saw the shop making money😕

If wr have a war with china we will have to wait 6 months to get our wepons from them ja ha

Getting worse every year

$35 on fleabay, but not sure I recommend them. Put one in a mower, got it running and sold it this spring, guy called me back a couple weeks later saying it wouldn't start anymore.