Decline a Draw Only To Lose? || Stockfish vs Leela || TCEC Superfinal Season 17
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Stockfish vs Leela Chess ZERO
TCEC Superfinals GAME 7
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@ryansheehan6225 4 жыл бұрын
Agad’s seamless transition from “I’m probably gonna burn a lot of stuff on wood now” to “now, getting back to the game” is the reason I love this channel
@halneufmille 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone is looking for stuff to do during the lock down.
@nevenfarahat2949 4 жыл бұрын
You just got 4 likes the moment I liked your comment😊
@mastergoatlebron9400 4 жыл бұрын
@@nevenfarahat2949 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOlZNl6vNTTe6M.html
@ChessHistory 4 жыл бұрын
@@halneufmille check this game out😂😂kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdKCjamD1tuaqYE.html
@raynmanshorts9275 4 жыл бұрын
"You want to go for a three-fold repetition?" "Nah." "Cowabunga it is."
@AlayanT 4 жыл бұрын
The analysis is wrong there. Kh2 draws, but black is completely busted if white plays Kh1 instead. Repetition ideas don't work then. Leela actually went for the most challenging line there.
@mastergoatlebron9400 4 жыл бұрын
@@AlayanT kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOlZNl6vNTTe6M.html
@yarielrobles9003 4 жыл бұрын
@@mastergoatlebron9400 why do people link to random mk vids?
@user-ti6hq2tc9o 4 жыл бұрын
@@yarielrobles9003 idk but it's driving me nuts. lmao
@Cnut_the_grape 4 жыл бұрын
@@yarielrobles9003 self promotion prolly
@zanyarali923 4 жыл бұрын
Wait for it ........ Wait for it ......... Agadmator: sorry about that Ok now I can watch peacefully
@batistalift 4 жыл бұрын
What is he even doing? Scratching his foot?
@zanyarali923 4 жыл бұрын
@@batistalift idk i have been working on many theories he can be doing anything litterally
@jetison333 4 жыл бұрын
On wikipedia it says hes adjusting his audio equipment
@wandi336 4 жыл бұрын
Legend has it his giving morphy a fist pump
@dejanf8168 4 жыл бұрын
@@batistalift lowering his volume so that the moves aren't as loud.
@urenmaximus4353 4 жыл бұрын
14:42 "king captures" suddenly rook promoted to king
@sacuW9ep 4 жыл бұрын
And it was as of this moment that Agadmator announced his future career as an arsonist
@giovannil.baraldi2038 4 жыл бұрын
"some men just wanna watch the wood burn."
@mastergoatlebron9400 4 жыл бұрын
@@calebmauer1751 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOlZNl6vNTTe6M.html
@snippletrap 4 жыл бұрын
It smells nice too
@StevenStJohn-kj9eb 4 жыл бұрын
Look at those scary eyes... Leela looks like she's about to start to burn a lot of stuff onto wood now.
@Tekko775 4 жыл бұрын
lol that's cortana from halo
@yzfool6639 4 жыл бұрын
She gives many people without girlfriends a hard-on, though I can only imagine.
@itwasinthispositionerinoag7414 4 жыл бұрын
0:00 Hello everyone 0:36 Nice knight 0:59 Sorry about that 2:49 Completely new game 11:08 Captures captures 6:34 14:00 (...and captures!) 14:42 Suspicious looking king
@mohamedhusam8189 4 жыл бұрын
"I am probably going to burn a lot of stuff" -Agadmator in the quarantine
@bakarduadze7034 4 жыл бұрын
#suggestion Hey Antonio! It would be great if you could analyze 2 games in one video: First game and a rematch. This way we could see better the differences between how these two deal with certain positions. The video might be a bit longer but we will never get bored of your analysis anyway. Best regards sir
@orchidquack 4 жыл бұрын
Bakar Duadze agreed
@mastergoatlebron9400 4 жыл бұрын
@@orchidquack kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOlZNl6vNTTe6M.html
@orchidquack 4 жыл бұрын
@@mastergoatlebron9400 what?
@johnaustin704 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@santanubanerjee490 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect
@mingozzz1 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's because it's an AI, maybe it's because the picture, maybe I am just fond of the style of play, but I must admit... I ALWAYS am silently rooting for Leela in her games, no matter who she plays
@zan7848 4 жыл бұрын
simp
@aquidillion 4 жыл бұрын
zan Imagine unironically using the word simp. Also I like that she’s basically a semi-perfect human chess player with personality and not a huge database like stockfish
@felipeguzzonsenhorini1051 4 жыл бұрын
@@aquidillion simp
@ericgorlin 4 жыл бұрын
@@felipeguzzonsenhorini1051 back off leela is a QUEEN
@Sockem1223 2 жыл бұрын
@Adamın Biri now that the fish has a neural network, he will be king forever
@danceswithstone 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant segway into the wood burning segment there Agad . . . smooth, real smooth.
@antoniosalgadoaragao4437 4 жыл бұрын
I laughed so har at "i'm probably gonna burn alot of stuff into wood"
@anoobisgod202 4 жыл бұрын
Antônio Salgado Aragão lmao 😂
@coolliechtenstein9090 4 жыл бұрын
Usually in a drawish position my opponent asks me for draw and I decline playing for win, but in the end I lose..
@mitshua 4 жыл бұрын
I hope Leela wasn't too sad afterwards
@gishena 4 жыл бұрын
That's my boy Stockfish!
@reinhardvonhoengramm7842 4 жыл бұрын
>”Decline a draw only to lose”? (Robert James Fischer would like to know your location)
@Stockfish1511 4 жыл бұрын
it was no draw stockfish was evaluating completely winning for white at move 29 which was that bb2 at 5:45. Leela was tied that down at that point and there was no drawing chanced. Agad got that wrong.
@dannygjk 4 жыл бұрын
@@Stockfish1511 Evals are not always correct. So even if SF eval was correct that logic is flawed.
@Stockfish1511 4 жыл бұрын
@@dannygjk lol you dont know about chess engines. +2 for stockfish in a tablebase position is event horizon. Sf at that point sees a tablebase win no matter against who it plays.There are not logic at that point sf literaly calculates the position to a win. Stop overdramatising with "does not understand the logic" crap. Pure calculation. No logic needed.
@KororaPenguin 4 жыл бұрын
"(Robert James Fischer would like to know your location)" Who you gonna call? GHOSTBUSTERS!
@dannygjk 4 жыл бұрын
@@Stockfish1511 I'm not talking about when an engine finds a solution while it's searching due to a EGTB hit... and I know how engines work I studied engines, game theory and comp sci.
@muskanrai2720 4 жыл бұрын
Agad found the drawing position while Leela a super engine couldn't, that's amazing.
@henryhobert5761 4 жыл бұрын
Muskan Rai I see agadmator vs stock fish
@somnathchakrabarty3462 4 жыл бұрын
Muskan Rai It was Stockfish's evaluation
@MaksonGamingHD03 4 жыл бұрын
i understood that she did, but didnt want it because she wanted to win
@manwithoutmind4659 4 жыл бұрын
There also would be (9:55) f3xe3 so not really a draw
@gregorymorse8423 4 жыл бұрын
I think the goal of winning is not calibrated properly as doing draw repetition tactics which win if the opponent makes a mistake makes sense. But going for a win which only works if the opponent makes a mistake as opposed to a clear draw is a bad optimization. Obviously the draw would be a priority in that case and the key to neural networks has been defining the goal which is going for lines with wins or draws and no forced losses. Not going for wins with possible guaranteed losses as those should be pruned from the tree. Certainly makes the engine more fun for a human opponent but would be senseless for TCEC
@JoeDidIt 4 жыл бұрын
so glad agadmator burns thing into wood now this man keeps being the legend we all know him to be with these great one-liners
@chesscomposer_ 4 жыл бұрын
More neural network and/or engine games please!!!! Love the channel. Been watching consistently for over a year and a half. Love your work, agadmator!
@ale86pi 4 жыл бұрын
None of the engines analysing the game in real time (including Stockfish!) thought that that position was a draw, though: www.tcec-chess.com/archive.html?season=17&div=sf&game=7 Don't ask me why!
@oscaro.172 4 жыл бұрын
Because it wasn't! Agad's engine is probably outdated
@AlayanT 4 жыл бұрын
Because Kh1 instead of Kh2 wins :)
@vivekjoshi5207 4 жыл бұрын
In the first half of the game.. Leela's pawn storm appeared overwhelming.. But stockfish wasn't there to just enjoy the show..
@dannygjk 4 жыл бұрын
It might be winning but would be extremely difficult to do it against SF even for Leela. I know if I was playing white I would not be optimistic.
@arvindpisharody7709 4 жыл бұрын
agadmator is literally the most underrated youtuber of all time
@A21twentyone 4 жыл бұрын
No
@arvindpisharody7709 4 жыл бұрын
Sumanth Sunchu he deserves a million subs tho
@matteogauthier7750 4 жыл бұрын
He’s really great. But his channel is the chess channel with the most subscribers. If you still think he doesn’t have enough subscribers, maybe it’s just chess in general which is underrated. Maybe you’re right after all
@arvindpisharody7709 4 жыл бұрын
Matteo Gauthier that’s a great point and your probably right that chess is underrated
@tobyornot 4 жыл бұрын
Time to start a KZfaq rating system then. With NM, CM, IM, FM, GM titles?
@MTG10 4 жыл бұрын
Agadmator thanks for making such instructive videos. Your videos really helped me so much to improve my chess. Regards:)
@akramk1557 4 жыл бұрын
Please, we need more of these videos👌👌👌👌
@klevialushi571 4 жыл бұрын
1 thing that you should know is that we love chess engine games(at least i extremely enjoy them) so i would really suggest to show more engine games as well(same as you are doing recently :)
@bezzlebedeviled4756 4 жыл бұрын
9:47 -- A Kh2 reply to Qxe4 draws, but Kh1 wins for White. So, no draw for Leela if "she" plays Qxe4. 11:18 -- Stockfish's own calculations consider Qg6 to be the best move here for Black (and slightly better than Ba6 to chase the White rooks around for awhile). Qg6 keeps an eye on both the e4 pawn as well as the h5 square.
@adnanhajjar1856 4 жыл бұрын
That is such a nice aggressive conversation between these 2 engines throughout the game
@mohammadaminsarabi6207 4 жыл бұрын
The scary part: the AI refuses draw only wants victory , it reminds me of matrix movie, where the bad guy said: i want everything, mr Anderson
@AlayanT 4 жыл бұрын
Leela didn't refuse draw, Kh1 instead of Kh2?? is completely winning in the Qxd4 check line. Both Stockfish and Leela sees that very quickly, the endgame is much easier for white than in the line Leela went for, that was still very challenging.
@mastergoatlebron9400 4 жыл бұрын
@@AlayanT kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOlZNl6vNTTe6M.html
@Stockfish1511 4 жыл бұрын
there was no draw. Agad got it wrong. Sf was evaluating as completely winning at bb2 which was the move at 5:45. Leela would take the draw if there was a chance, but it was completely lost.
@Chocapic_13 4 жыл бұрын
There was no draw, SF predicted leela's next moves in his point of view and already had a pretty high evaluation for white (as well as Leela).
@ShubhamKumar-ex3nk 4 жыл бұрын
keeping doing the good stuff
@taufiqal-kahfi8605 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Antonio! You're an amazing wood burner
@ItzFellowMC 4 жыл бұрын
Today is my birthday and I really enjoy watching ur videos! Keep doing what u do best :)
@RobFlaxMusic 4 жыл бұрын
Never did I ever expect to see the Frankenstein-Dracula Variation in top tournament play!
@thewarlordscalling6537 4 жыл бұрын
R u aware tht the engines are forced to play those openings.even the KGA will b played later on in the tournament
@RobFlaxMusic 4 жыл бұрын
Tichaona Mirirai Mutamba Yes, but I wasn’t aware of the openings they’d choose. I play the KGA as White too :-)
@obeseproductions6909 4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work agamator
@kamehamehaDdragon 4 жыл бұрын
great video agad, as always.
@-_Nuke_- 4 жыл бұрын
absolute madness!
@julian73de 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Engine beauty. How i love this channel and its wonderful subscribers. Where you even enjoy the comment section
@gheffz 4 жыл бұрын
I must say, I do like engine games! And the TCEC finals are the cream of the engine play!
@Arnesfield 4 жыл бұрын
Love how games here have drawing opportunities. When I play, it's either I lose or have a winning position then blunder a piece.
@W4rfire 4 жыл бұрын
Does anybody know the time format the engines are playing for?
@nandanbhat2327 4 жыл бұрын
Agadmator: I'm a wood burner now, so...... Yeah
@bcool6801 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing
@qwyzzykal8051 4 жыл бұрын
Agad, an excellent engraver of wood!
@ShermanSitter 4 жыл бұрын
That is a very interesting exchange sacrifice. At 4:00 Leela is in the end game while Stockfish still in development!!! Such a cool game.
@An-ht8so 4 жыл бұрын
After Qf2 there is no draw, white can take on e4 removing the defedner of the bishop, white has to defend with Qe2. White can then give up the rook for Qf5 and black is pretty much getting mated with Qf8+ ideas. Or so says stockfish
@anonymousblimp 4 жыл бұрын
Agad starts a wood burning hobby and the ad that plays begins with a house burning down. (Little fires everywhere)
@Defossion1 4 жыл бұрын
I've been away for about 4 months. I come back, and right on cue "Sorry about that." Love it!
@agadmator 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome back!
@Defossion1 4 жыл бұрын
@@agadmator Thank you! I must confess that I don't play chess--at all. I have never played a single game against another person. But, I enjoy this channel, because you bring the game to life for me!
@markhernandez4904 4 жыл бұрын
14:41 “rook captures, king captures, and pawn captures on F4.” What he really meant was rook captures rook captures aaaaaand pawn captures on F4. Duh you guys. Agadmator does not make mistakes, he only mispronounciates.
@basantachaulagain6104 4 жыл бұрын
"Decline a Draw Only To Lose?" -happens to me 1 in every 5 games. 😞
@dimitriskontoleon6787 4 жыл бұрын
Happens to me I 99 over 100 games. I just never end a game in draw. At least very few
@cygnustsp 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting how leela played that new move
@doruka890 4 жыл бұрын
The best opening imo
@s4life91 4 жыл бұрын
always enjoying stockfish vs leela chess thank you sir
@Billonator117 3 жыл бұрын
Love a good underdog story
@matepolcz 4 жыл бұрын
AGADMATOR!!!
@Gruesome_j 4 жыл бұрын
Agad do you play halo? Great video again like always thumbs up
@pashapasovski5860 4 жыл бұрын
Even a machine should know when it's beaten!
@zeusbog8557 4 жыл бұрын
No one: Agad: I burn wood now.
@n20games52 4 жыл бұрын
Those engine end games are maddening... and interesting.
@hamzaazam5981 4 жыл бұрын
What is the both engines rating ?
@TrevorOFarrell 4 жыл бұрын
excellent subscriber checking in
@robiii6712 4 жыл бұрын
I always eat popcorn when i watch your videos .
@erickouhai9818 4 жыл бұрын
Agatmator is so cool.
@stevienugnugent9986 4 жыл бұрын
Nugent is pronounced New gent as in gentle. Enjoyed this engine game keep up the good work
@ChessMasteryOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
Even the laziest King flees wildly in the face of a double check! ☆
@vinacenzobrascon1207 4 жыл бұрын
This game should have had the title of the previous game. Leela goes barbarian mood!
@BongelaMnguni 4 жыл бұрын
@9:45 Qxd4+ was not a draw (at least by SF evaluation), it was evaluating that position at +2.31
@happyhourstogether6060 4 жыл бұрын
Lets go stockfish lets get your revenge i m with you
@darlingtonanikwenwa1899 4 жыл бұрын
What's the time control
@MattiAkaYazz 4 жыл бұрын
I found it way harder to remember moves which were played by the engines than the moves played by the humans.
@nicksince90 4 жыл бұрын
Nasty engine lines 😋
@pedro9494 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have any photos from the players during this match?
@danielneuhaus5385 4 жыл бұрын
Could someone explain how “leela chess zero“ works and what‘s the difference to alpha zero? I would be very thankful because I have no clue of all this technical stuff
@harleykf1 4 жыл бұрын
Leela Zero was created by a Stockfish developer to mimic the success of Alpha Zero, as the exact coding for Alpha Zero had been kept secret. Both are neural networks, meaning they learn over time by adjusting the 'weights' of branches by playing a large number of games
@adamjskater 4 жыл бұрын
Self learning algorithm (improved by playing against itself or learning from human games) vs brute force as many positions as possible and decide if the position is good based on human style analysis (castling is good....king safety is good...etc). Neural network engines tend not to come with any human analysis baggage and look at chess from scratch for themselves. We teach traditional engines how to play chess, neural networks teach us how to play chess.
@coreyburton8 4 жыл бұрын
Wood knight ag, and also wood morning
@danielm.3832 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm probably going to burn a lot of stuff" -Agadmator
@johnnycharisma162 4 жыл бұрын
And it was in this position Adgmator called the fire brigade.
@supremecommander112 4 жыл бұрын
“Do u capture or not capture the pawn?” Looks like Hamlet
@akkasaakash5389 4 жыл бұрын
where is alphazero? or Leela is the alphazero?? and what version of stockfish is this??
@positrondecresente 4 жыл бұрын
Leela is probalbly not alpha zero. Leela loses to stockfish and alpha zero would not likely loses to stockfish.
@coot33 4 жыл бұрын
@@positrondecresente Alphazero does not loses to stockfish in google controlled competitions. Leela is better than alpha zero.
@ernsthuijboom2212 4 жыл бұрын
Leela is the open souce version for PC and not on special hardware like AlphaZero
@mastergoatlebron9400 4 жыл бұрын
@@ernsthuijboom2212 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOlZNl6vNTTe6M.html
@quag443 4 жыл бұрын
AlphaZero was from 3 years ago and chess engines have improved a lot since then, especially Leela and Stockfish (currently version 11+). To give you an idea of the progress, the Stockfish 8 that A0 played 3 years ago was ranked #1 at the time. Today, Stockfish 8 does not even make it to the top 10 strongest chess engines. Remember the 100-game match where AlphaZero scored 64 points against SF8? Well, the top 3 engines of today (Stockfish 11, Leela, and Leelen/AllieStein) would easily achieve an excess of 70 points. A0 has done its job and there's little reason to care about it anymore.
@DingDingDoo 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Agadmator! I just wanted to say I'm a huge fan and I've been watching your videos for about two years now. I've been playing chess since I was 5 but watching your videos has motivated me to join a chess club and start playing tournaments again! Thank you for uploading quality chess analysis videos and I am looking forward to you hitting a million subs in the near future. I would be honored to play against you some time...
@averagehomeboy7748 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations agad you are an excellent carver of knight heads into wood
@cannastartover1720 4 жыл бұрын
Nice Wood bro.
@berinmujkic5302 4 жыл бұрын
You should make a chessboard with the "wood burning" mashine
@sjnavaid 4 жыл бұрын
Nice knight!
@harshsahgal2229 4 жыл бұрын
At 12:55 , can the black play RxF3? Is the white king allowed to capture the rook after that since the piece defending it is the bishop which is pinned to its own king. I've always been confused with this
@GeraldM_inNC 3 жыл бұрын
I've noticed that engines seem to push too hard for victory in games that are drawn, and open up weaknesses that lead to their defeat. I play Stockfish on Lichess level 5, and have had some wins for exactly that reason: the game was drawn but the engine kept attacking until it opened up a weakness I could exploit.
@udhavgoel7181 4 жыл бұрын
Pls tell me agadmator what is the time in your country when u were shooting this video
@fredriknyhus6768 4 жыл бұрын
Well, he's in Croatia, so . It's 18:40 (6:40 PM) now
@generalfalcon1823 4 жыл бұрын
Time difference in countries is probably different, but it seems like he films the same day he posts, since he does tournament games analysis on the same day.
@mastergoatlebron9400 4 жыл бұрын
@@generalfalcon1823 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLOlZNl6vNTTe6M.html
@musicfreak9122 4 жыл бұрын
Is that CNC engraver?
@ohkay8939 4 жыл бұрын
At 8:05, isn't Qd8 (instead of the line shown with Qxc6) just mate?
@ajfirecracker 4 жыл бұрын
This is the famous Frankenstein-Dracula variation of the Vienna opening.
@DJFernandezF 4 жыл бұрын
#suggestion Now that we're seeing that juicy guitar back there. Would you play it for us sometime??
@hnalike7778 4 жыл бұрын
How about some new games of alpha zero vs stockfish ??
@russianbotfarm3036 4 жыл бұрын
Alpha Zero is passe, now. And the version of Stockfish that it beat, is now old. This current game, afaik, is state-of-the-art computer chess, except for the human-forced opening.
@sebastianrex6697 4 жыл бұрын
About time to lead.... Eh stocky... Would love to see the final match
@grannywalter 4 жыл бұрын
That's not just any knight, that's the lichess logo!
@mohammadshahid5578 4 жыл бұрын
Waaao So early for the very first time
@geoffreywilliams7705 4 жыл бұрын
Pure logic from the engines . .
@cinegraphics 4 жыл бұрын
14:41 it should be "rook captures" and not "king captures" because the king is lazy and lets orders others to do things for him.
@MegaBahamamamma 4 жыл бұрын
Do a giveaway with your engravings! That is super cool :)!
@shermainerodriguez4707 4 жыл бұрын
At around 2 minutes he says “the first move stockfish makes by himself”. What does he mean by this please?
@jamescaldwell6205 4 жыл бұрын
Shermaine Rodriguez For engine games, they are given preset openings (as if the engines had their own choice, they’d play the same openings and it would be boring), and that was at the end of the preset opening, and thus stock fish finally had “free reign”
@moritzdemauro3492 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't Qxd4+ (the line Leela didn't play, because "she wants to win") just loosing for her? You say it appears to be a draw, but after Kh1 instead of Kh2 Stockfish is completely winning. I usually don't correct your mistakes, but this time the whole video is about it, so I kind of had to xD
@ethanBmartin 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm probably going to burn alotta stuff... onto wood now."
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