@@lucaxtshotting2378 No shot dude, look at hcannons hp they are insanely tanky considering their dps only thing that counters them is getting a triple mago shot into the center mass otherwise with even a trickle of spears and seige support they will melt anything

only english archers counters handcanonier mass , other civ must do mangos ... ralbequin is not an options cuz of its small range

I find it beautiful. Late game handcannons just destroy everything, like they did eventually in history. I find it appropiate that they are so powerful, just like mass cannons and buldings. Castles became obsolete against late medieval artillery.

@@lucaxtshotting2378 true but longbowmen are a lot cheaper - 90 resources vs 240 - and of course longbowmen don't need gold which is an advantage in itself. Longbowmen also outrange hand cannoneers. It isn't a perfect counter at all, of course, but the English can churn them out really really fast.

yea you don't throw men-at-arms at musketmen

except dehli..... becouse everything take so long to research

Would you indulge of this knowledge ?

@@drenghel4641 It's an often employed Voltaire quote. "The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy nor Roman, nor an Empire.” Mind you he is writing this in the middle of the 18th century.

@@TheKingDain Thanks I shall go the bed less stupid

I have seen a lot of Mongol players fall into that trap. If you have the Silver tree you should be pushing like there is no tomorrow. Once Leenock took the middle it was game over.

And he shouldn't have put so much into his mangudai. They are such a terrible unit, the moment he saved his trade line, he should have went full Lancer and counter pushed

Bruh, current abbasid gameplay is nothing like you said. Just build mass mangonels + spearman like braindead. You are not lead in eco unless you build 2 more tc which is really hard if you not playing at a big map.

I was about surprised to hear Chinese were the Zerg. I found them thematically at least Protoss like. I played Zerg and I love Mongols and Abbasid. Mongols though I guess, dare I say it, might be Terran lol.

Actually, it did contain a good amount of Italy in the early days. Granted, it was always rebelling, but what can yea do.

how else would you say it?

@@Vonias Leenock. Without a massive pronunciation on the nock part.

That's great in theory but might be tricky to pull off, depending on the level of play it is pulled, the map, and opponent's aggressiveness, since it's a lot of investment made into static buildings.

Depends on your civ and the map but early pressure and denying relics is what I'd instinctively do

they are slow and from archers the opponent can just swap to crossbows and they melt MAA but the main problem is that they are slow... im sititn at 1400 elo atm.. and when im playing hre i mostly go mass elite knights with siege and handcannons.. dno.. maa are wierd to use.. they also bloob up and mangonels just take them down

I mean he originally used crossbows to fight mangudai since it doesn't cost wood and he need them for siege MAA is good for spam if you high on food but they aren't the brightest when mangonel come in

Early game is mostly horseman raids and anti-horseman defences with their APM. Since they can easily micro the horseman out an MAA fight, MAA can't catch them. In late game MAA only serves as a meat shield, where a knight works both as a meat shield and can also do damage. Against mass archers you would want to go siege rather than MAA. Also, the current meta relies on professional scout with mass scout into fast imperial, and the only counter to mass scout is horseman/knight, which a reasonable player will do. You can't really defend the scout with spears or MAA, so you will have to go horseman too. Just my salt

@@andreidraguloiu2587 gow do you get elo? I thought that ranked games are disable.

@@saraathena Quick games have a rank

It is? Thought it was closer to Turkish or Finnish.

@@Toonrick12 search Altaic languages

actually 16, 10+8-2

Nope

Bonus damage against light "melee" infantry

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