Cooling Air 3 - Rear Bearing

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AgentJayZ

AgentJayZ

4 жыл бұрын

How does the rear bearing, surrounded by all that thousand degree plus jet exhaust... survive all that heat?
Come along with me for a deep dive into just how smart those jet engine designers and engineers really are.

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@tednhampshire4250
@tednhampshire4250 4 жыл бұрын
Now I begin to understand why our maintenance chief (a lifetime ago, P&WA J52's on A6 Intruder, USN) raised holy h**l when a hot shot pilot ran up to the chocks after landing and just cut the engine off. And this would have been within 1/2 a min after a full power arrested landing on the deck. He wanted a 3-5 min idle, then a shutdown from a high idle. Talked about cooling and oil scavenging. So I think that process is related to what AgentJayZ tried to educate us about in this outstanding video.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
You were right! It says right in the overhaul manual, and the flight manual, to operate the engine for two minutes at lowest EGT (65%) before shutting down. I also talk about this in my recent video Warming Up and Cooling Down. Also in my video called Cool Your Jets.
@marshie1337
@marshie1337 4 жыл бұрын
dude ive learned so much from this channel, it's nuts. minus all the cities on fire, what a time to be a live with info this accessible.
@jacobpoucher
@jacobpoucher 4 жыл бұрын
Boons will be boons. Jay has nothing to do with that don't even bring that crap on this channel.
@AlexDMC
@AlexDMC 2 жыл бұрын
You are such a good teacher Jay, thanks!
@jlunde35
@jlunde35 4 жыл бұрын
What an interesting video, your best one yet. Thank you for taking us through the cartoon picture, which I can kind of understand, to the intricate engineering of the J-79. Appreciate the effort you put into this video and how much better it is to watch this than the morning news.
@F3Aer
@F3Aer 4 жыл бұрын
Let´s put this in an oversimplified way: your videos just made me love turbines. You have a very educative method to explain complex processes using simple words. I really appreciate all the effort and time that all the recording, editing and uploads takes; trust me: they're really valorated. Please, keep them coming! Keep safe.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
You might be someone who would enjoy the increased level of hands-on detail in series of videos on restoring a 1950s fighter jet engine. It's featured on my Patreon channel.
@markthompson4885
@markthompson4885 4 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation . Both your white board and the J79 video plus the J 79 cut a way of stage 7 & 9 bleed air passages. Now I wish I had payed more attention to the L53-13B that was in UH-H that I crewed for several years. But as an crew-chief all we did was . Inspect the oil & fuel filters. { not once in ten years did I ever find anything in them). also did eng cleaning and EGT checks.
@sweepleader
@sweepleader 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, wonderful detail. Great audio, much improved (no echos). Thanks for your efforts, your stuff is really fun.
@CDhn455
@CDhn455 4 жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed when I watch your videos how intricate these engines are and how many different small air passages there are to divert air to keep everything a solid and contain the firey beast.
@CDhn455
@CDhn455 4 жыл бұрын
Even more impressive is these were all designed with pen, paper, sliderulers, and trial and error. No computer modeling.
@carabela125
@carabela125 4 жыл бұрын
@@CDhn455 The human brain is more powerful than a computer, but nobody uses them any more.
@tomuchfunwithgas846
@tomuchfunwithgas846 4 жыл бұрын
Jay. Thank You for taking us on this trip
@monomille1
@monomille1 4 жыл бұрын
A particularly good mix of concept, design, operation and visual tour to illustrate your story. Great video!
@Koda-Kitikawa
@Koda-Kitikawa 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the going through the shop to find stuff to explain things and pointing out everything on the engine
@ddegn
@ddegn 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! It's really cool to see all those amazing parts. It's even more fun to start to understand what they do.
@Chris9rr
@Chris9rr 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you again for another great video! I always look forward to your new videos that you post.
@JimmyD_C172
@JimmyD_C172 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks AgentJZ for taking time out on a Saturday. That is true dedication. Great topic too!
@JeffCowan
@JeffCowan 4 жыл бұрын
Once again, amazing detail. Thanks for sharing.
@RadioMarkCroom
@RadioMarkCroom 4 жыл бұрын
@AgentJayZ Discovered your channel just a month or so back and have really enjoyed these videos -- been catching up on the back catalog and was glad to see something new. Thanks for all the time invested in helping us lay persons understand the inner workings of these high power turbines. Your passion for the Sabres especially and the engines that push them is fun and inspiring.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
I know the index was destroyed by KZfaq, but my earlier educational playlist: Your Questions Answered has over 100 episodes. I think you may enjoy it.
@H2R5GSXR
@H2R5GSXR 4 жыл бұрын
Sure enjoyed this, even though I have bad memories from working on J-79's as a young man. Nice to see you love and compassion for these engineering feats.
@KevinJones-pj8kx
@KevinJones-pj8kx 4 жыл бұрын
That was also the reason for developing synthetic oils. They could withstand much higher temps than regular petroleum-based oils.
@bobqzzi
@bobqzzi 4 жыл бұрын
Terrific technical presentation
@jw4620
@jw4620 4 жыл бұрын
I've figured it out, you clever Canuck! You wait until the sound of brains exploding has dissipated, and then post another even better video. Thank you so very much!
@lilredcummins
@lilredcummins 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing information. You make it so easy to understand. As good as a gas/diesel mechanic as I think I am, I know I would never have the patience or skills that you have, to work on turbines. Thank you so much for these videos!!!!
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
If you can rebuild a piston engine, you have the skills to work on jets. They are not better or more complicated, just completely different. Same tool skills are required for both.
@lilredcummins
@lilredcummins 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Thank you for the vote of confidence. I should have added that I am 66. Maybe at 23 I could have done this, but still the thought of an engine failure while off the ground because of a human mistake, weighs heavily on me. I worked on school buses at 23 and felt very responsible for the safety of the children, however the worst that happened was that the bus pulled to the side of the road and a spare was sent out to pick up the kids.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
For the work I do... 66 is a better age for an apprentice than 16 or 26. If I was working on cars, they would all be '49 Mercs, with the odd '57 Bel Air thrown in...
@wayrapamushka1
@wayrapamushka1 4 жыл бұрын
Good evening Sir AgentJayZ: I want to tell you as a first instance, that I have been following your videos for more than 2 years, and each one of them I always learn and remember something, it is really wonderful to watch your channel. I introduce myself, in a few words, I am an aeronautical technician and a retired pilot, I have my good years, but I think that in spite of my old age nobody should tear the wings off my chest, don't you think so Jay? I bother you in this opportunity to make the following comment, I am Argentinean, and my English is rusty (I thank my good translator today), I would like to know if you could comment me if you know how I can translate this video to Latin Spanish or maybe if there is a program or something similar to translate your videos in general. I say goodbye with a big hug. Greetings to all of beautiful Canada (it has always been my favorite destination, I love the Yukon). I look forward to your comment. Sincerely Nestor of Jujuy-Argentina
@56932982
@56932982 4 жыл бұрын
Once again: Many thanks for this excellent explanation.
@snowballs442
@snowballs442 3 жыл бұрын
Well done Another great video. Keep making them
@eddiecasusol1133
@eddiecasusol1133 4 жыл бұрын
"That's almost a whole Kevin Bacon away from the exhaust" 🤣 Good question. Good breakdown!
@mikeherrera5077
@mikeherrera5077 4 жыл бұрын
Very excellent. Good level of detail.
@mikecowen6507
@mikecowen6507 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, Jay! Thank you!
@bencarlassara5877
@bencarlassara5877 4 жыл бұрын
I love engine theory. I love explaining to my troops it’s not just a simple duct providing cooling air to components. It’s a bit more complicated than that.
@ddegn
@ddegn 3 жыл бұрын
I find myself saying "yes!" every time you say "very cool." Thanks for the fantastic video.
@tomasfidoz285
@tomasfidoz285 4 жыл бұрын
It is impossible, how catchy you explain things. You´re my Netflix:)
@FabricatorFactory
@FabricatorFactory 4 жыл бұрын
Good job once again.
@Miniatures-And-More
@Miniatures-And-More 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful and very useful information , Thank you for sharing
@arkadiyviking3919
@arkadiyviking3919 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your works. It's very interesting!
@michaelogden5958
@michaelogden5958 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like the whole thing would be simpler if the rear bearings were made of "liquid diamonds". :-) Great video, as usual. Cheers!
@gyrojomo
@gyrojomo 3 жыл бұрын
Cool tee shirt. Cool presentation.
@burpleson
@burpleson 4 жыл бұрын
Great technical video. Just like the old days.
@petergrant9259
@petergrant9259 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation.....
@tomseer7462
@tomseer7462 4 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you so much I just started watching couple videos back and I am definitely impressed when HVAC my whole life over 30 years but this is always had my attention or I should say curiosity and you definitely explain it quite well I appreciate your time thank you sir
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Your homework assignment is to look at my playlist called Your Questions Answered.
@steveshoemaker6347
@steveshoemaker6347 4 жыл бұрын
This is something l have always wonted to know....Thanks very much...!
@zingo1010
@zingo1010 4 жыл бұрын
Love your stuff
@rajapandian4766
@rajapandian4766 3 жыл бұрын
Really your tech videos are very good Sir.
@DiveTunes
@DiveTunes 4 жыл бұрын
Most excellent. Thanks!
@mattyh2180
@mattyh2180 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video Agent Jay Z. I was wondering if you could do a video sometime about the variable intakes on the SR71 and F111 (triple plough) and how they were able to slow the air / shift the position of the supersonic shockwave.
@bartel6647
@bartel6647 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your explanations
@user-dn4dx5qy3s
@user-dn4dx5qy3s 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your teaching 👍
@dirtkartracer
@dirtkartracer 4 жыл бұрын
Cool video J very cool 👌
@TeemarkConvair
@TeemarkConvair 4 жыл бұрын
total geek out!!! LOVE it
@gtr1952
@gtr1952 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jay! A lot of what I know about these comes from you! It makes me sad that a lot of my favorite channels that I've learned so much from are, or have to go to that Patrion thing to make money. Personally, I pay for YT premium, but I just can't afford the patrion thing right now. Anyway, thanks much for everything over the years and I really appreciate you!! Kind regards, --gary
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know what YT premium charges, but the Patreon full access membership is 5 bucks.
@chetanphalak7192
@chetanphalak7192 3 жыл бұрын
I am a condition monitoring engineer and your videos are so amazingly helpful for me to develop my understanding regarding turbines for monitoring these amazing engines... Thanks for the rear bearing detailed explanation,, just a quick question , Is the mechanism same for center bearing as well?? I mean the hot temperature area near combustor would not affect centre bearing as well??
@banglatutorialallinone2952
@banglatutorialallinone2952 4 жыл бұрын
Your Explain Very interesting anybody can Easy understand
@Jet-Tim
@Jet-Tim 4 жыл бұрын
Great job great video
@madeinindia9455
@madeinindia9455 3 жыл бұрын
How's why's where what's of Jet engines gives great insight.
@clydecessna737
@clydecessna737 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!
@paulinabyczkowska5368
@paulinabyczkowska5368 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah JayZ, 17 stage compressor. RIght on, RR Avon.
@RobertBardos
@RobertBardos 4 жыл бұрын
Woo hoo jet school to start the day! Agent Jay Z, I heard the A-12 (oxcart) cia spy plane used GE J-79 engines before the J-58 was ready for flight. Little known fact the J-79 with reheat (after burning) was the first engine in this super cool airplane.
@N324F
@N324F 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool, the air
@lightningdemolition1964
@lightningdemolition1964 4 жыл бұрын
At the end where you showed the plugs that you said were for balancing the compressor, were those solid weighted plugs for balancing the weight of the spinning mass or were they hollow plugs used to balance pressure in different sections of the compressor?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
First choice.
@andrewsnow7386
@andrewsnow7386 4 жыл бұрын
I think you might be the first person to describe a jet turbine as "simple technology". :)
@WarblesOnALot
@WarblesOnALot 4 жыл бұрын
G'day, Yay Team ! Glorious. I once heard that the bloke who first made a model Turbojet Engine (in Bundaberg in Qld, Oz...) burning Butane, actually used IRONBARK...(!), from which he carved his Turbine Blades on the Rear Wheel - on the principle that Hardwood carbonises in Flame..., and Carbon is a Thermal INSULATOR...(!), so therefore the Blades failed to combust in the FieryFlow...(?) ! For a rear Shaft Bearing, a Ceramic "Line Leader" off a modern Fishing-Rod was used, in conjunction with a Total-Loss Lubrication System using a Silicon-based Synthetic Oil.... I first heard of this-all in about 1996, shortly before Model Turbojets first became a "Commercial Thing". It might be all Bullshit, but I've never heard it being plausibly contradicted, over 25 years or so... So, it might be true ? Have a good one. Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Wood... any kind of wood... would burn. And the ceramic line guide bearing? There is not enough dimensional precision to make a ball bearing race out of it, and it's the wrong shape anyway. If you are implying that it was a journal bearing, it would have a life of minutes at best. So I'm contradicting the idea right now.
@WarblesOnALot
@WarblesOnALot 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Well, I never made the pilgrimmage to Bundaberg to see it, but the bloke who told me the story reckoned that his brother (who lived in Bundaberg) did go and knock on the door... I used to help the tale-teller to Aerotow Hang Gliders behind his Ultralight, we drank together weekly, and his brother had an obsession with Turbojets for a while...., after he cobbled up something from 2 Truck Turbochargers bolted together on a Shopping-Trolley (to hold the, Fueltank, Pump, Electrial Igniter Circuits & etc {I never saw the setup}, and got it to run well enough to propel the Cart accross his Garage with a tongue of Fire, before pulling it's Leads off the Car-Battery on the Bench...; and before he mortgaged his house to send $11,000 to a US Internet Address and then never ever recieved his promised Mil-Surp Turbine APU - with which he planned to attempt to build the World's first Jet Ultralight.... According to the Lore, yes the Runtime was indeed measured in minutes..., but the story was that for a while there was a bit of a track worn in the footpath in Bundaberg from the steady stream of people who'd been to "Jet Engine University...", and heard about the little Turbojet that lived in a Cigar-Box... My mate reckoned his brother was quizzed on the doorstep, and only after explaining about his Fire-breathing Shopping-Trolley was he invited in for a Cup of Tea..., shown the tiny Turbojet ; and (supposedly) saw it connected to a Can of cigarette-lighter Butane, had it's Spool hand-spun started, the Gasflow turned on with a Thumb pressing the Spiggot ; and then ignited by flicking a Bic Lighter accross the Tailpipe. The Shaft was supposedly turned to a clearance fit (because he couldn't work the Ceramic) so as to duly allow for thermal expansion...; and Jim had told Frank the story so convincingly that Frank seemed to believe it all when he told me of it...; Jim was at the time trying to hum some money from Frank, to go towards his Turbojet Importing (Fantasy) Project {he went as far as advertising the venture in both the Ultralight Magazines then publishing in Oz..., and I think 3 other people lost their money, as well as Jim - when the APUs failed to arrive...}. So..., I don't think the little engine was ever said to have run for any extended sort of time, probably 10 or 15 seconds would have been enough to impress the bejesus out of all who saw it (?)... I haven't ever ventured so far North as that, and it was 25 years ago ; but I'm still wondering about it... It's possible that Jim was duped, and it's possible that Jim made it all up to try convince Frank into funding the Jet Importing Fantasy...; but I'd like there to have once upon a time been a little tiny Turbojet, running on Butane in Bundaberg, with a hand-carved Ironbark Turbine... Even if it needed rebuilding every 5 minutes of Runtime, accrued in 10 or 20 seconds at a time...; as a Party Trick. My scepticism stems from the bloody great Swag of Computers required to get a modern Model Turbojet to start and run reliably..., and also I can't quite see how sparking a Lighter accross the Tailpipe could light the internal Fire, upstream of the Turbine...(?). But I figured you might enjoy the story of the alleged "Sighting Report"... Such is Life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@D_L_Natal
@D_L_Natal 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay! One of your most informative videos, thank you. About the video, a few questions: 1) Does the vent line feel the ambient pressure? 2? If this is so, wouldn't the oil-air mixture go partly out -causing then contamination- due to p_inside the seal chamber > atmospheric pressure? 3) Are the holes seen in 26:10 -behind the last compressor stage- the ones where air leaks in towards the space labeled as «9»? 4) I've seen in some engines the «oval» structure -between the fuel lines- like in 23:59 & 26:09. What is this for? 5) What material is the isolation blanket made of? It seems to be the same that covers the variable area actuator in J79 jet engine. Thanks a lot
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
1 - it's an open tube to the surrounding air 2 - If the carbon seals are working normally, they leak far less air than the scavenge pump pulls out, so air goes in the vent. 3 - Those holes allow additional compressor discharge air to join what is called 17th stage seal leakage air. It's the highest pressure and temperature bleed air available, and it is used for anti-icing purposes. The chamber into which those holes lead is connected to the outside of the engine via struts in the midframe. 4 - Those are covers for the openings from the ends of the struts. There are many different air pathways inside the midframe, all shown in the J79 air flow diagram I referred to. 5 - Answered and shown in the video.
@easer777
@easer777 3 жыл бұрын
Hi JayZ, first, thanks for posting these things, very interesting stuff.... I have a kind of similar question, I think that I know that the afterburner of a low-bypass turbofan have a blanket of cooling air laid out on its inside, via air bled from the fan, but what did they do on turbojets to prevent the afterburner-wall from melting....? -I saw a video where the afterburner-wall of a turbojet went glowing red hot quite quickly, is film-cooling a much newer technology than turbojets....???
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 3 жыл бұрын
The afterburner is built much like a combustor can. There is a gap between the outer casing and the perforated liner, and into this gap flows some of the inlet gases. These are engine exhaust, but still are cool enough (800F) to act as cooling air to protect the liner and the case from the heat of the burning mixture of fuel and engine exhaust gases (2500+F). I have shown this gap in several videos. Try putting cooling air into my channel search bar.
@cck0728
@cck0728 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Do High pressure recoup tubes and low pressure recoup tubes in CF6-80 C2 do the same job as 7th stage air and 9 stage air (as in this video) ? Thanks.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Don't know what you mean. The word recoup does not appear anywhere in any of the documentation I've seen ever.
@cck0728
@cck0728 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Sorry for the inconvience. Just have a look at this: 7con.com/7con.com/gs/GE/doc/sbs/cf6-50-sb-75-0074-r00-exec.htm
@joespratt413
@joespratt413 4 жыл бұрын
AJZ, can you explain what a Hush Kit does and how it does it? Looks like it would cause a lot of airflow restriction.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
A hush kit improves the mixing of the jet exhaust with air, so the noise is reduced. It causes minimal restriction to flow, but does add weight.
@SuperSecretSquirell
@SuperSecretSquirell 4 жыл бұрын
How is fine abrasive material handled since the vent and bleed air is unfiltered? Is it just accepted that some are bound to get in and they set the service life of the bearing in accordance?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
The dust would have to get by the carbon seal, which is not an easy thing to do.
@SuperSecretSquirell
@SuperSecretSquirell 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ ah ok. I was thinking the vent was directly ported into the housing.
@sd906238
@sd906238 4 жыл бұрын
So if you want to shut down an LM1500 and want to avoid damaging the rear bearing due to over heating. Should you idle the engine allowing it to cool down or just shut it down straight from max power to off?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
In my video "warming up and cooling down" I talk about how much more important it is to allow the hot parts to cool for a few minutes at reduced power, than it is to worry about any sort of warm up after starting before increasing to max power.
@steamfan7147
@steamfan7147 4 жыл бұрын
So in an aircraft application, upon landing and before shutdown, is the procedure to run the engine at minimum throttle for a period of time to allow temps to cool a bit and stabilize before shutting down to minimize oil coking?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
That occurs during the taxi...
@steamfan7147
@steamfan7147 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Ah thank you, that makes perfect sense.
@keithweathersbee1
@keithweathersbee1 4 жыл бұрын
JZ how are the rings produced in the reheat flame of a jet?
@martinwarne7183
@martinwarne7183 4 жыл бұрын
If anyone is interested " not much of an engineer " by Sir Stanley Hooker who along with Sir Frank Whittle designed and built jet engines is a book that tells the history of turbine engines. I've read it twice so far. It is in the library system in Calgary and available Alberta wide
@tommy13t
@tommy13t 4 жыл бұрын
I see a few flexible lines attached to ridged lines on the engines. Why not use all flexible lines through out the engine? Would it be because ridged is stronger?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Even when properly clamped, flexible lines move more, and are more susceptible to wear. When an operator makes a modification to the "stock" engine, they use flexible, teflon lined braided SS lines. It makes fitment easier, but would never be used for an aircraft engine.
@thomasaltruda
@thomasaltruda 4 жыл бұрын
I like how you DIDN’T post links in the description.. Make those interested look it up themselves!
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest things about modern life is the search bar. It makes everything a matter of milliseconds, instead of hours or days of investigation...
@sushantkumarthakur8966
@sushantkumarthakur8966 4 жыл бұрын
Hey! Plz let me know about the possible reasons of turbine last stage having dents on leading n trailing edges, of many blades? Also, smaller indentations being observed around the periphery of exhaust nozzle, in a large number, though smaller! It will be a great help to me. Altogether, blades are intact n no abnormality observed in engine performance n parameters!
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
I don't do other peoples work for them. It's not generally a recipe for success.
@SOHAIL.Capricorn
@SOHAIL.Capricorn 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Can you please explain how the power transmitting spline (from turbine to compressor shaft) gets lubricated?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
The spline is coated with grease on assembly. There is no movement at the interface, so rarely is any wear observed.
@SOHAIL.Capricorn
@SOHAIL.Capricorn 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any video of yours explaining air/oil separator function ?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
I might have included that in Jet engine lube system. Let me know!
@ianvital8834
@ianvital8834 4 жыл бұрын
I well now Im learning the rear bering wont burn it has insulation from the 2 metal walls. it is all cooled by the moving cold air around. it also coolded by the oil moving going in and out. the bearing heating up after shutdown he due to heat transfer from other componets of the engine. is that correct?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Close enough for part marks. It was 4 metal walls. Did you watch?
@ryanmcgowan3061
@ryanmcgowan3061 3 жыл бұрын
This marks the moment a Kevin Bacon became an official unit of measure.
@JohnDoe-we9yk
@JohnDoe-we9yk 4 жыл бұрын
I counted, its is a 17 stage....lol
@santiagomichelena7763
@santiagomichelena7763 4 жыл бұрын
Good shirt, but maybe even better poster!! 😂😂
@Skyisnotalimit
@Skyisnotalimit 4 жыл бұрын
The Saab Draken got a Rolls Royce Avon 300 engine built by Volvo Aero. Did it contain any changes to the Rolls Royce Avon 300 original?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
The Flygmotor RM6-C is recognizable as related to the Avon, but it has many differences. The most obvious is that is equipped with only one compressor bleed valve.
@Skyisnotalimit
@Skyisnotalimit 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Thank you.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 4 жыл бұрын
@Skyisnotalimit If you are ever near Gothenburg, visit Aeroseum, an aviation museum in an underground hangar built in the 1950s. You can sit in a Draken and you can touch the engine sitting next to the plane.
@RSADYNAMICS
@RSADYNAMICS 4 жыл бұрын
Hello can you make a video on the pk803 crash and the type of damage the engine took on the belly landing and can you tell us why the pilots thought it would be safe to stay in the air for a further 15mins following the engine damage
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea. Watch blancolirio for the best updates and analysis.
@RSADYNAMICS
@RSADYNAMICS 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ thanks for the reply I thought I'd be nice to know from your perspective as an engineer
@michaelwebber4033
@michaelwebber4033 4 жыл бұрын
I want to know about the stator vane control, why and how
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Have a look at my vid about compressor stall.
@jamisonw.327
@jamisonw.327 4 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if industrial engines have the same fire switch controls that airliners have? Also how exactly they prevent engine fires and if it's as simple as shutting the fuel flow off from the tank?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Fire inside the engine: shut off fuel and purge with air by motoring the starter. Fire outside the engine: fire extinguishing system, which industrial installations also have.
@jamisonw.327
@jamisonw.327 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Awesome, thank you sir. When you work on engines is the external fire system part of what you receive or is it left behind at the facility or on the airplane?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
The fire extinguishing system is not part of the engine. There is an excellent training film out there on YT that talks about tail pipe fires on airliners. I don't know exactly the name, but I know you can find it...
@callen6893
@callen6893 4 жыл бұрын
I know it’s different technologies but on turbochargers they run coolant through the turbo body and some companies have an after run pump that circulates coolant through them after shut down. I know they don’t use coolant on these engines, but why don’t they have an additional oil pump that circulates oil through the bearings after shut down? I would think that would help prevent the oil from coking and extend the bearing life.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
The bearings do not have their service life shortened due to oil coking.
@MyHumboldtLife
@MyHumboldtLife 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome tech video Agent Jay, but I have a question. In your detailed whiteboard drawing, you show that there are 4 pieces of metal between the exhaust gases and the rear bearing. But also in the drawing, in the area upstream of the strut with the oil drain line and to the back of the rear turbine, it looks like there are only 2. Did I miss something? Just trying to get a clear understanding. Thanks!!
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
It's a drawing, not a photograph, x-ray, or even a diagram... everything upstream of the rear frame and bearing sump is "out of bounds/not included/edited for simplicity"...
@MyHumboldtLife
@MyHumboldtLife 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Roger that. I'll do more research on my own to see if I can get that area clear in my head and understand it. Hey, thanks for taking the time to reply, and also, thank you for all the time, effort, and money you put in to making your videos. I really appreciate the technical detail you go in to and your careful choice of words to avoid ambiguity in your discussion. I have learned so much in the last year or two of watching your videos. Keep it up!
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Find the J79 air flow PDF out there. It is huge, and allows you to see a lot of detail.
@MyHumboldtLife
@MyHumboldtLife 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ OK, will do. My searches for LM 1500 details or LM 1500 hot section details has not borne any fruit.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know what to tell you, bud... If you were to maybe follow my instructions... and put "J79 air flow " into the Google search box... ... ... it's the first hit.
@Miata822
@Miata822 4 жыл бұрын
Hot stuff. Sorry. Couldn't resist. It is best to let a turbocharged piston engine idle for a while to cool down after running hard to prevent coking. Do turbojet engines o do something similar?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Turbochargers are crude, simple devices, built to be tough and cheap, by making huge sacrifices in performance. If a turbojet was a seagull, and modern turbofans were eagles, automotive turbochargers would be beetles. Yeah, they can fly, but....
@gs-mt8zd
@gs-mt8zd 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Harsh
@grahamj9101
@grahamj9101 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ And the turbocharger on my latest car allows the engine to produce almost 300 BHP out of two litres. The only problem is that the fuel gauge moves almost as quickly as the speedo.
@VanPray
@VanPray 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. What is the percent of total power absorbed by the compressor turbine? I run small PT6a turboprops.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
For a single shaft gas generator, which becomes a turbojet when you add an exhaust accelerating nozzle to the back... the compressor uses up about 2/3 of the total power produced by the burning of the fuel. If you remove the exhaust nozzle from a turbojet, and use the exhaust stream to drive a separate turbine, you have a turboshaft engine. A turboprop is a type of turboshaft engine. So whatever the power output rating of your PT6 is, the compressor is using about double that.
@grahamj9101
@grahamj9101 4 жыл бұрын
I've stated this numerous times before, but it's worth restating: the power absorbed by the compressor is 'recycled', it's not wasted. There are inefficiencies, of course, which are inherent in any heat engine, and these affect a gas turbine to a relatively greater extent when it is operating off-design.
@franciscosalazar1825
@franciscosalazar1825 4 жыл бұрын
hello, you do it very well ... I do engine classes and I use your videos to teach the students ... I'd just like to suggest that if your videos were subtitled ... thank you very much for your attention you are a great contribution ...
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
I'd just like to suggest that you make a donation to the patron page... for using my videos... 100.00 seems appropriate for an institution... what do you think?
@Automotive_Mountaineering
@Automotive_Mountaineering 4 жыл бұрын
Semi related question. Can a jet engine generally run normally without the back nozzle? Ie, one might do this to produce much less thrust for initial testing/safety purposes. I'm guessing not, but why?
@grahamj9101
@grahamj9101 4 жыл бұрын
An engine can be run without a final nozzle, but no engine can run "normally" at any significant power level without a final nozzle. Check out Adrian Bennett's KZfaq channel to see an ex-Concorde Olympus 593 running - without a final nozzle. It's never run much above idle, because, without the final nozzle, the pressure drop across the LP turbine will upspeed it and mismatch the compressors.
@Automotive_Mountaineering
@Automotive_Mountaineering 4 жыл бұрын
@@grahamj9101 Thanks for the answer. So whats the implication of the mismatch between the LP turbine and compressors; engine damage or the engine simply wont respond to throttle increase?
@grahamj9101
@grahamj9101 4 жыл бұрын
@@Automotive_Mountaineering As I'm a designer (retired), to give you a comprehensive answer, I'd have to call in a performance engineer. Even then, as it's not something that should normally happen to an engine, we might get a generalised answer. It would also depend on the design of the engine. In respect of a two-spool engine, such as the 593, with no final nozzle in place, there will be a relatively greater pressure drop across the LP turbine, which will then run relatively faster than with a final nozzle in place. Open up the throttle and with the LP compressor being turned relatively faster than it should, then the mismatch might well result in a surge. In the limit, it just might be possible to overspeed the LP spool. IF Mr Adrian Bennett tried to open up the throttle of his 593, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it.
@grahamj9101
@grahamj9101 4 жыл бұрын
If you, or anyone out there, wants to treat themselves to a big boy's toy, there is an Olympus 593 on eBay UK for GBP585,000 (say USD750,000). I've just been invited to make an offer on it. I don't think so.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 4 жыл бұрын
Let's hope someone buys it and then sends it to AgentJayZ for maintenance :-)
@xf-9114
@xf-9114 4 жыл бұрын
How did you call the bowl thing? I'm not an English speaker, I just understand "¿? dish". Thanks
@dennisbailey4296
@dennisbailey4296 4 жыл бұрын
You Are Talking about Heat Soaking being the only way that the bearing can get hot. What about the possibility of incorporating a oil cooler to run for all certain amount of time to keep the bearing from getting too hot? After the engine is actually shut down.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting, but it is not done in aviation. The only way to keep the oil circulating is to have the main rotor shaft turning. It could be done, but as far as I know, no operators do that.
@thomasaltruda
@thomasaltruda 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about that too, but I bet the carbon seals would leak oil if they don’t have the negative pressure from the scavenge pump pulling in the chamber
@gregsyn1
@gregsyn1 4 жыл бұрын
@23:11 One of those turbine blades in the light looks to have a reasonably large piece of the corner of the trailing edge missing.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
In those shadows, in that light... your imagination is working double overtime.
@gregsyn1
@gregsyn1 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ haha possibly!
@klamser
@klamser 4 жыл бұрын
... the rotation arrow in the RR sketch has the wrong direction due to the angle of attack of the turbine blades or vice versa ...
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
It's a cartoon drawing. Don't expect too much reality...
@grahamj9101
@grahamj9101 4 жыл бұрын
The direction of rotation is correct for an Avon and for most (but not all) UK-designed gas turbines. However, if the angled lines in the cartoon of the turbine are supposed to represent the stagger angle of the blade shrouds then, yes, the angle is wrong. But as AgentJayZ has already told you, it is a cartoon.
@vaderdudenator1
@vaderdudenator1 4 жыл бұрын
I want that shirt ❤️
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
It was purchased at the Alberta aviation museum in Edmonton, where this plane is on display. Aaviationmuseum.com. Email them about the Sabre Mk 1 shirt, and tell them AgentJayZ sent you!
@mohammedcohen
@mohammedcohen 4 жыл бұрын
...like that shirt!!!
@jameslaurencesmith7537
@jameslaurencesmith7537 3 жыл бұрын
dear jay the incident with the bristol brittania is explained in detail in the book "not much of an engineer" the story of a friend of mine ,,,,stanley j hooker.. a very clever man ..every thing he touched ,turned to gold.. jay i will send the book if your interested.. or you can buy it from the rolls royce heritage trust.. laurence...
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 3 жыл бұрын
I've not read that book, but I have read in many others that Hooker was extremely talented.
@fjs1111
@fjs1111 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Depends on the Hooker. 🤣🤣
@user-gx5rw8jq3k
@user-gx5rw8jq3k 4 жыл бұрын
思い起こせばこのチャンネルが最初に登録したユーチューブチャンネルだった気がする
@hksp
@hksp 4 жыл бұрын
so when you put a bacon inside the bearing space , it will not be cooked ??
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
Bacon and steel have very different properties...
@danawick9817
@danawick9817 4 жыл бұрын
what happened to your merch??
@shwi999
@shwi999 4 жыл бұрын
Totally paused it to count stages...
@jamesmason2228
@jamesmason2228 4 жыл бұрын
Heat soak after shut down can be an important under hood design concern for modern vehicles. Engine control computers aren't thrilled with being baked...
@listerdave1240
@listerdave1240 3 жыл бұрын
Some cars have cooling fans that stay running for some time after turning off the engine to prevent damage from heat soak.
@jamesmason2228
@jamesmason2228 3 жыл бұрын
@@listerdave1240 Indeed - and I understand that some manufacturers engineer them to run in reverse, in order to draw cool air from beneath the car and exhaust hot air out the grill.
@Sans-fl4pe
@Sans-fl4pe 4 жыл бұрын
What is the bare minimum for a jet proportion wise?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what you mean, so you deserve some kind of award, maybe.
@peterferryskipper
@peterferryskipper 4 жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ My guess:What is the smallest jet engine used for aviation?
@grahamj9101
@grahamj9101 4 жыл бұрын
@@peterferryskipper Take a look at the small turbojets used for model aircraft: they are not toys. However, if you really mean an engine that will carry one human being, then take a look at Richard Browning of Gravity Industries Ltd, UK. He flies with small turbojets strapped to his forearms.
@grantrennie
@grantrennie 4 жыл бұрын
For cooling, look at reaction engines sabre instant cooling, down to about - 200c in half a second, liquifies its own oxygen..
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ 4 жыл бұрын
They have not even come close to creating a running engine. Don't talk to me about coolers, unless you have a lot of beer on hand.
@thomasaltruda
@thomasaltruda 4 жыл бұрын
AgentJayZ haha
@AndreaBorgia
@AndreaBorgia 4 жыл бұрын
"the whole Kevin Bacon" XD
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