Andor just felt like it was a high-budget low-budget 1970s BBC series, in which we missed the pilot episode where we learned why we needed to care about the protagonist or the setting. EDIT: obviously this is because it's a prequel in an established setting. I haven't yet seen the ending, which is what Chato says killed it for him.

I enjoyed Andor, but felt it was more often "general sci-fi" than Star Wars. It drifted into cyberpunk at the outset. But it was well-done with some excellent camera work and effects. As well as having competent villains.

what is bad? a combination. the dialogue between characters seemed more like slogans, did you notice that chato? and like the characters maybe save for ahsoka, baylan, hayden, sabine at times.. acted as if they wore helmets.. no expression, stilted, stiff movements and direction. you are so right chato, filoni has pisspoor writing.. we never got any indication huayang possessed any crystals on his ship, but right when they most need one, woop there it is. garbage. why didn't they make 10 or 15 sabers before then? too much to say. huayang taught generations so why doesn't he fight with a lightsaber at all? and that inquisitor.. wtf?! disappeared in fat air.. no explanation, we just have to accept it and its never revisited like every other smarmy easteregg that casual onlookers are made to feel dumb for not getting. their ship seems irreperably damaged by gunfire from fighters that got girlpowered out of the air, but no- give huayang some minutes and its fixed again. i'm just going to say it, the maybesith padawan pissed me off. her performance was awful, her motivations were unclear, her purpose was not evident, her presence was infuriating. yet she's what we might see in the future- not her far more interesting better acted master. i suppose i should applaud the series for not having them all pull through together on thrawn's ship or in known space again by any means like their own hyperdrive fixed, but its like thanking a r@pist for not pulling out, you know? just not something you think needs a thanks. also too poorly done. oh your ship works but apparently not enough. wow. also filoni's obsession with wolves and appearances by him or hidalgo, are insatiable.. he has to do it like his dick is on fire. why? i can't tell you. what i can tell you is i have seen better fan videos than i have seen this entire series. i say it with no animosity to any actors involved, they tried their best, and the younger ones- unfortunate they were involved in such a wreckage at the start of their careers. i feel that sw would do better asking for fan submissions of stories instead.

I agree with you. I personally liked Andor - but liking something doesn't necessarily mean it's "good." I mean, if it were truly good, why were the ratings so abysmal?

​@@TwoGamingDudesMovies The ratings and fan reception of anything in a franchise are affected by everything else going on in the franchise, as well as how it is marketed. Captain Marvel did extremely well at the box office, but obviously not on its own merits, rather because it was sandwiched between and loosely connected to the two biggest MCU movies ever. The "franchise effects" can either boost, or kill, a new show or movie, regardless of how good/bad the new show is on its own. Andor's main flaw was a slower pace than necessary for the style and tone of story it was going for. Many fans who are already angry about the sequel trilogy and other bad shows were already pre-disposed to not give it a chance, so the more adult tone, and slow-burn intrigue/drama was easy to complain about being "not Star Wars".

They are paid actors essentially.

The heroes are terrible people, the villains are laughably incompetent, and the lore is about as consistent as something written by a person with a kink for retcons.

@@RambleOn07 I was thinking the lore is written by someone who's taken multiple blows to the head.

Everything is just some pointless setup with zero payoff for the next show or film.

They didn't EVEN accomplish nothing. At second 1 of this show, Ezra and Thrawn were in the side galaxy, and both Ahsoka and Sabine were in the main galaxy. At the end, Sabine and Ahsoka are both in the side galaxy, and Ezra and Thrawn are both in the main galaxy. So at the start the galaxy had a Master Jedi, and an experienced Mandalorian, and NO great threats currently opposing the New Republic. BECAUSE Ahsoka and Sabine got involved and CONSTANTLY made the worst choices they could have, these two were traded for ONE Padawan who not only did not complete his training, but is SO weak at this point he cannot deal with ONE literally brainless guy punching him despite having the force and a lightsaber, as well as the most dangerous strategist the galaxy has ever known returning in force to reignite the war....... I mean, Thrawn is a total moron that can't do anything right, but so is everyone else, so I guess it balances out. If Ahsoka had just done NOTHING, they'd have gotten rid of a Sith, a Sith in training, and the galaxy would still have Ahsoka and Sabine on hand to fight in the war Thrawn will start. Ezra would still be stuck, but who knows, Thrawn is shit with security, I'm sure he could have just stolen a trooper's armor and done EXACTLY WHAT HE ACTUALLY DID to THRIVE on an enemy ship and even take a ship to go back to the New Republic REGARDLESS. So if she'd just not done anything, everything would have worked out much better.

Not necessarily. A good writer can take from real world intellectuals and incorporate that into their work in order to create a "highly intelligent" character. Of course, that character really only needs to SEEM highly intelligent to a general audience. Filoni couldn't even manage that.

@Janes_Bee… you said no, but then agreed with everything he said-

@@James_Bee Or like the iconic Sherlock Holmes. All you need to do is set up the ending and then work backward where Holmes notices the tiniest speck of details, jumps to conclusions, and is right!

@@James_Bee I would say even the collating of outside material to make a smart character requires far more intelligence than filoni could ever muster

Smart people can pretend to be stupid. Stupid people can't pretend to be smart, unless it's to an even stupider person.

And it all started with The Force Awakens. I remember how most people cheered at that ripoff of A New Hope while I was completely pissed-off. Happy how now everyone realizes that all Disney wants to do with Star Wars is a cash grab.

​@@mishynaofficial Think of all the money they could've made, had they done a good job. Rogue One was good, and I had hoped Disney was turning it around. Oops 😬 🤭

Andor at least had *something* going on.

@@liamphibia Pacing was off for me, but it was an interesting peek into the behind the scenes of the Empire but it was just too long.

Everyone was a smug emotionless arsehole 100% of the time except for Anakin, Ezra and the droid. Can't believe they wasted Hayden Christensen on *this* 🥴

​@@mishynaofficialEzra was terrible in his own way. His silliness was also sandwiched between long awkward pauses and bad dialogue.

@@alexm2889 bad dialogue was the general problem, but his character at least felt alive.

I don't know how they do it, but Disney has a unique talent of making 40 min episodes with 20 minutes of story.

I find that a lot of modern, high budget streaming shows have a ridiculously slow pace. Like they have enough scripts for 4 episodes, but the studio mandates the season be 8 episodes long. So, instead of adding anything worthwhile or including some filler episodes, they just stretch out what they already had.

@@fattiger6957 That's been going on for while with any American series 12 or fewer episodes (it doesn't seem to be an issue with short UK series). Take something like Sons of Anarchy from a decade ago, seasons were often about 6-7 episodes of story drawn out into 13.

@@beerosaurusrex I think companies from the UK are used to short season shows, so they know how to pace it out. American companies are still thinking in a network TV way where seasons are 20+ episodes.

What is the OT?

From a mechanical story Standpoint I can see claiming Ahsoka was worse than Kenobi, Possibly BoBF too, but from a SW standpoint it's still better than both.

It was infinitely better than Kenobi, in only it never took a steaming dump on canon. But the writing and story? Can't say as it was even there.

I agree. Kenobi was the worst IMO. BoBF might be objectively, worse just from a filmmaking perspective. But Kenobi was worse because they took the single best character in all of star wars and ruined him. This is also why I hate Ahsoka. She is my 2nd favorite character after Kenobi, and this show is utterly garbage. Clone was was amazing. She had a fantastic arc. and this...... this was just painful.

​@LordFalconsword when I am gone, the last Jedi will you be - Yoda To LUKE... And this show alone has 2 jedi adds another and 2 fallen jedi but not sith....remember just like Leia was mentioned LUKE IS RIGHT THERE IN HIS PRIME..... doesn't shit on canon? Bullshit

The problem with Rebels season 5 is it CANNOT be set in this time period without ripping Canon to shreds....annihilating it like nothing before...... They could have done it set in the clone wars era...pre order 66

The title was just click bait. Disney had no idea what to do with Ahsoka other than misled fans of Clone Wars and Rebels. I guess Ahsoka is more manly to them than Sabine with short hair.

They could have called this show Hera in that case! Or, Chopper! Or, Lando! LOL

@@XiaoFury it doesn't make sense because Dave Filoni directed The Clone Wars, Rebels, and Ahsoka. He lead his character nowhere in the first place.

...couldn't have said better man, I am honestely waiting in trepidation for.....the South Park special episode for the "Panverse" where they will critize and make an absolute joke about everything that it's wrong with modern ...."entertainement"

Corporate greed is a pathway to many creative atrocities some consider to be unethical.

@@verde5738 you mean ESG and DEI, corporate greed would want to make a profit from properties and looking at the merch sales and revenue, Star Wars is far from profitable.

Lucas himself destroyed episode 4-6 lore with his awful writing for the garbage prequels, just like he destroyed the Indiana Jones franchise before disney resurrected and destroyed it.

I think you mean "Darth Thinks-He's-A-Cowboy"

​@@ValiantWrestlingman I'm so glad I don't have such a lack of imagination and non creative thoughts as you.

yes, we've been trying to get rid of you for years LMFAO!!!!! JK, just taking the joke to the limit....

Asholeka

@@albert7311 ooh, Not ASS compelling, missed opportunity SMH.... LMAO!

@@mountainmantoo no, I don't wanna lick asshole... lolz

The reason I no longer drink whey 😂

Oh wow!

“Her Wars”

​@@michaellalli7693can't believe Kathleen Kennedy is still in charge. Cringe.

“Her/They Wars”

@@m0-m0597 oops, I stand corrected. ✅

Yeah in many ways I agree. IDK why Disney has to do this whole bait & switch thing. Ahsoka was 1000% Rebels Season 4's conclusion in live-action (for some reason). This show is for big time Rebels fans only. According to nielsen numbers that's only about a half million people total globally. The writing is in-line with it's kid-show predecesor too. I think it is just seriously suffering from trying to be something it isn't.

Apparently the "writers" at Lucasfilm really love naming a show after a character then proceeding to make that character completely worthless in their own show. It is a continuing pattern at this point. I would have though Ahsoka (being a "woman of color") would have been exempt from that rule, but I guess not.

Ohh! but she did, she became Ass-Sukah the white, that is a lot of development.

I have to disagree with one of your points here. I’m a HUGE Rebels, Clone Wars fan. Those shows for the most part had good storylines, characters with arcs and real villains. A lot of things this show did not. It’s bad on its own, but not because it’s based on a cartoon show. Maybe there’s an edict at Lucasfilm, don’t worry about the basics of entertainment and story as long as you make sure the Force is female@@FidesAmoTerrapomum Also a character crossing their arms in animation saves time, a human doing it all the time is off-putting.

Great, another girl boss Mary Sue who needs no character development. Glad i missed this one. Fucking yawn

CougarFights! I've always watched Star Wars to enjoy BORING, badly choreographed sword fights between two middle aged women...

🎯

Well, Rosario is middle-aged, so...

Take that back, oompa lumpas look better.

Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do I have a perfect puzzle for you @@zedhiro6131

Ikr it was embarrassingly cheep ☠️

and whats up with his beer belly?

All the costumes looked like budget cosplays

I think he’s just doing this to solidify his position as a key writer for Disney Star Wars. Beforehand he barely had any writing experience (he literally only wrote around two episodes of Clone Wars), so now he wants to ensure that Disney needs him to write more stuff by leaving his work open for sequels that he will have to write. Disney is just allowing this because they now how most fans raise Filloni up like a god.

All the good episodes of clone wars had different writers😂

To be fair though, would you feel so harsh about it if it was a male character? Like let's say it's Snake Plisken or Jeff LEboski saying "F it."

That also destroys Sabine's character. She's an angsty smug orphaned Mandalorian, yes. But she wasn't ever that insufferable in Rebels. Or that boring.

@@IndyDefense Yes. Absolutely I would feel harsh about it if it was a male character. Which is why I hated most of the late-teen-Ezra-shenanigans even in Rebels.

I figured it was doomed with the disney logo

​@@IndyDefense Yes, I would notice that it undermined Azadi and made the entire opening scene pointless and stupid. And I think I would notice the difference between Snake Plisken and a piece of wood with a little smirk.

Just curious... what on earth gave you "high expectations" for this show?

@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Of course you're right, but I can understand that the appearance of Ahsoka in Mandalorian was seen as very good. The fight with Elsbeth was pretty entertaining and there was real motivation for the character there. Motivation that all but vanished during the show that should have been all about it. Instead it was about a female mandalorian that took remedial Force training while she already knew how to wield a lightsaber without using the Force... Weird.

@barbaraselletti6520 There really is no reason to think Filoni the bad guy. That’s being over reactive for nothing.

fi-NAIL in the coffin.

Agreed. Except that I can't say I'm disappointed: this show met all my expectations, which were, well, none. BTW, the word is "castrato". Castrati is a plural word, and Filoni, despite being a lot of things, is still just one person. And I don't think he's good at soprano singing, anyway.

At least you can laugh at the incompetence of Plan 9. Ed Wood was a passionate guy who didn't really know any better. Disney is a $200 billion, 100 year old entertainment company. They should know better.

@@fattiger6957 I pray to god they don't adapt Heir to The Empire. I don't even want to know how fucked over that would be

I'm sorry, hard disagreement here... Plan 9 from Outer Space was superior. ^^;

Plan 9 was unintentionally funny. This wasn't. Plan 9 wins

The phrase “Your stupid minds!” from Plan 9 is way better than anything from A Soaker…

I know we all exaggerate sometimes, or say crazy things for comedic effect…but I truly believe you.

Mando S1-2 brought back something great I hadn't felt since the late 90s, and BoBF and Kenobi killed it. I couldn't even be bothered with Andor or Ahsoka.

It seems the shows that was actually planned out and had a complete storyboard were Mandalorian 1&2 and Andor. everything else was just incoherent, goes absolutely nowhere and at times contradictory with other canon and lore

​@@beerosaurusrexgive Andor a chance, it's really really good. Not even in the same league as Ahsoka

Just imagine if Ed Wood had had the budget and movie tech of today... oh wait, that's Jar Jar Abrams!

Boredom? Depression? Narcolepsy? Or maybe the witches had shown him a vision of the future and he turned to the solace of alcohol?

This Thrawn here is mostly there to assure you that all is still going according to plan despite him doing exactly the worst thing possible and not taking control of the situation. I‘m half way convinced he is just another animated dead body controlled by those witches … would make more sense than anything else in this series.

Most likly it would be due to the extra weight aboard the Chimera. Thrawn was stranded on that planet for at least 10 years. The Chimera would only have so much power. This was after his weapon system did a planet bombardment on Lothal. If he did it in year 2 of being exiled that would be 8 years of extra weight and extra fuel to keep the ship in air. Also the Nightsisters plan was on a gambit. They used their dark magic to talk with Morgan though dreams, Thrawn would not risk so much without a sound reason. If Morgan never fulfilled her end of the arrangement. Like if Sabine destroyed the sphere, then Thrawn would be ligging around these coffins with nothing to show for it. He efficiently utilized his Stormtroopers to retrieve all the coffins and put them on the Chimera in 3 days after Morgan arrived.

Because terrible writing that's why.

Because narcissists don't care about anyone's feelings, time or anything. A generation of little narcissists, raised by helicopter parents would totally agree. Signed a trying to be real helicopter parent.

At least more people will be willing to explore the EU, it's infinitely better, I wonder if modern audiences have the patience to read a book though.

That is the real Thrawn, they can’t destroy legends.

Just wait until TCW fanboys start reading about how freaking awesome the Clone Wars were in the EU, or once they go back and realize the Old Republic cinematics have more compelling story and action than all however many seasons of that garbage we had to suffer through combined. Oh, and the Tartakovsky CW series which goes so much harder than TCW too.

That's why I couldn't bring myself to watch this. There was no way they would do him justice.

Thrawn's character was already destroyed in 'Rebels'. He kept making all kinds of stupid decisions and was outsmarted over and over again. In this show he seems to be no different, yet... disney fanboys hype him as if he was a villain as threatening as Vader or the Emperor.

But he was also just a passenger of a plot that didn’t give an f about the characters, so was utterly wasted on this series. He was also not given anything to work with, he just happens to have way, way more charisma and an audience in lack of something else to like. But yes, he was the best and may he rest in peace. 😢

He took nothing and made it look like something. Can't help wondering if this script sapped his will to live.

He should have played Joruus Cbaoth in a proper retelling of Heir to the Empire.

Ezra the Cuck is right, pathetic

The Gr ee's at Mothers blessed her with the "Gift of Shadows" and infused her body with the power of the Dark Side. This greatly increases her powers. If you notice all the Great Mothers in both Clone Wars had animal markings as well as the Great Mothers in Ashoka.

@@DragonmasterCire But she still does look like Elsbeth with a ruined makeup … how is that supposed to make her appear dangerous, when she’s basically been a background character up till now? It should have altered her in a more threatening way as to at least give us reason to take her serious.

Or, I dunno, make her MORE POWERFUL? She was easier to defeat with added power than Baylun

Disney is handicapped by having to follow an ideology that thinks middle aged women are the ultimate in desirability and that excitement. That will never produce anything better until the next executives who are enthralled by this ideology are replaced.

Laser sword! Says George “the hack” Lucas

“WHO THE F-K KNOWS?!!” I did a spit take at that.

My favourite line was “Who the f… knows?”

“This weapon is your life”

@@ChristophorosAthanasios que the slapstick follies of Anakin, the lightsaber losingest Jedi of all time.

Well Ashoka is actually wrong a light saber is intimately an extension of a jedi, "it is your life" -Obi-Wan

​@@blshouseezra on 3...and Ashoka loses one on this show heh

it honestly surprise s me that you wasted your time on this... I didn't watch Boba or Obi Wan due to how bad their reputations were even after a few episodes (I did watch Boba episode 1, can't even remember it tbh) but I really like Mandalorian, which was promptly ruined for whatever reasons in S3x01. The fact that even Disney haters watch this tripe and give Disney power, make me a little confused/amused. Star Wars is dead! Dead I tell ya! You'll feel better on the other side, I promise.

Absolutely. Ahslowka.

Pretty much this. It’s only better than Obi-Wan and Boba Fett because people care less.

His Star Wars/Magnificent 7 rip-off had more action and more internal cohesion on a shoestring budget than most Disney seasons.

I'm pretty sure there will be plenty of "independent movies" to fully explore such possibility

Midichlorians and scissoring in the same question. What is this, a biology exam? This is so far, far away from the movie I saw in 1977. 😂

It looked to me like they redesigned Ezra to be a Jesus-like figure. So I guess Sabine is his Mary Magdalene.

well...there may be some mixing of bodily fluids...who knows. That we have to talk about this gives you an idea of ​​the level of the series

@@IndyDefense When Rebels launched - Ezra was coined years ago as 'Jedi Aladdin'. Sabine was coined as 'who gives a shit - just give her the Dark Saber and a BS back story to check a box'.

Ben-wa balls. It's a funnier line if you know what these are.

Chato doesn’t check the right boxes. No way Disney would have him.

Honestly tho, have him as a plot review expert. He's hilarious and he brings up some plot ideas I miss.

Yeah but he still shouldn't have a Kyber chrystal. Where on earth did Ezra pull that out of!?

@@seanyoung3864 Where did Luke get the one he used in RotJ? He built his green saber from a box of spare parts he found in Obi WAN’s abandoned hut on Tatooine. Granted I see your point. Especially given that Huyang’s story involves Padawans having to go on a quest to gather their own special Crystals from the frozen caverns of Ilum. Of course that in itself makes no sense as it clashes with the somewhat disposable nature of lightsabers we see in the movies and The Clone Wars. Anakin goes through a lightsaber a week. Obi Wan isn’t much better. Ashoka keeps changing hers like fashion statements. They are shown as expensive tools that you get yelled at for losing. Not some personally attuned holy artifact. Actually the very question involving the “Kyber Crystals” drills right down into Filoni’s biggest problem. He’s a one trick pony. And his trick is canonizing all of the fan created elements that worked their way into the EU and various fan written source books over the years. All the shit about Kyber Crystals and Lightsaber colors and a thousand other petty assed nerd rage arguments conducted over the internet for the past 40 years. None of which ever actually come from anything on screen. (Vaders lightsaber was red, simply because at the last minute they wanted something to better differentiate it. Luke’s was green because blue didn’t work against the blue sky in the sail barge fight. That’s it!)

Same with the Nightsisters conjuring blades into existence. They did that in TCW. Though, it wasn't explained there either. They just can do that, apparently.

That’s what I have realized. If you did the 300 hrs of homework or you didn’t . The plot had fundamental writing mistakes that leaves a bitter taste in your mouth. That is how bad it is. Cannon does not even save it, and it’s supposed to be a continuation of rebels lmao

@@andrewtaylor940Luke created a synthetic crystal.