Yes that also happens - I am sure more with kids too who will follow the advice of whoever is nearest and loudest... and neuro plasticity takes care of the rest

Eye / head position above cue is first priority. Stance will simply support that. Have a look at this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fL51rbqezdOZqmQ.html This explains it more clearly... Here is our most popular problem solver for AIMING AND SIGHTING: www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page/

But if you bring the tube up to your face you will only be selecting one eye or the other - with nothing in between. If the tube is not totally on one eye you have done the test wrong as you wont be able to see through it. It is precisely this assumption from a dominant eye test which is so dangerous to players as they tend to cue 100% under the dominant eye (which in 99% of cases is wrong for them) and causes more angst to them than any other issue in the game.

Two Rests Aiming Technique kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLGfgL2jzJexcZs.html This method is quite clunky, and more up to date information can be found here: www.thesnookergym.com/cue-action-trainer-2019

Hi Keith - that is a really good question that thousands of players have. The best place to get that answered in all its forms is not on the free yt videos as they don't go deep enough, but here: Here is our most popular problem solver for AIMING AND SIGHTING: thesnookergym.com/shop/aimframe/

Hi Joe All the information you have provided will not determine the vision centre - only the brain can do that with two vision centre tests - first to establish the vision centre before you approach, and secondly when the chin is on the cue: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rq6WdqaZ2-DXYok.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJ5od5WQvdDQmJc.html Ultimately, your brain needs to find where it wants to position your two cameras in order to see a straight shot, as straight... in both those positions....

Dear Mr. Nic Barrow, Thank you for taking the time and effort to help me. I really appreciate that. I would also like to thank you for sending the videos, in which you explain in detail how I should act to achieve a perfect position with my eyes. I am going to try this out in detail and am already convinced that this way of thinking and executing will be a positive contribution to my game. I wish you a nice day, Kind regards, Jo

Terrible isn't it - but the issue is that the DET makes sense intuitively... a big red herring!

you are wrong, when the cue is under your left eye, if forces you to twist ur head and thats why your right eye goes over the cue , and u think you are using left chin but instead you are still using ur right eye

If you say so!

+786hunzavalley He may just have twisted his head a little more - with both eyes still equally above cue. OR his eyesight may have changed over the years so a different head position required.

Everyone will see two reds in their peripheral vision when looking at the cue ball, and vice versa. These two products will solve your eye alignment question forever: Here is our most popular problem solver for AIMING AND SIGHTING: www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page/ Here is our Cue Action Trainer - The Fastest Way, To Perfect Cueing… www.thesnookergym.com/CAT/

Ps everyone has a dominant eye - you are not doing the test correctly if you believe both are dominant.

Sorry I believe I am left eye was told amd tested by one of out top players here in nz but my left eye is bad so I went back to centre of my chin cueing. I will get eyes checked and see if that helps. I went back to centre eye and got a 56 break the other day so o presume my eyes work better this way playing. I'm probably wrong but it has helped going back to centre rather than left of my chin. Thankyou for your response I appreciate it. Great videos cheers

Ultimately everyone has on optimum position - which is more important than what eye is strongest or what eye is dominant (the dominant eye is the weaker of the two in 10% of the tests I do).

+Terry young Hi Terry, where do you live in France now? The Aim Frame product coming out this week would be perfect for you in establishing where your actual vision centre is. The conclusion you have reached is the NUMBER ONE cause of sighting problems in snooker. It has earned me a huge amount over the years in helping people resolve the resultant problems it brings - which usually involve bad cueing to compensate for bad aiming, and general low confidence on any kind of non short range pot.

I'm right handed totally left eye as my right is lazy and barely works!

If you have your vision centre set up properly then look for the centre cue ball finding exercise on this channel!

+786hunzavalley Eye alignment comes first, then the stance and technique should mould and adapt to support that head position.

tenzin norzom hi

tenzin norzom www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page/ will answer this

Hi Nic, Thanks for that. And also I wish to ask that my neck's sores after couple of shots which makes difficult for head movement while aiming. I never had the problem before but it started 3 weeks ago. What am I doing wrong? do you have any other students having similar problem as mine? Thanks

Yes - try placing the bridge elbow firmly on the table to reduce shoulder height. Second, open stance to reduce hip height and lessen neck angle. Third, bend knees to reduce stress on neck even more. Report back your results!

+Андрей You do not need to solve it! It is GOOD! both eyes see one image the brain puts them together so you see in 3d (like a 3d movie) . So focus on one point and you see two of everything outside that focus point in your peripheral vision. the only way to 'solve' this is wear an eye patch but your depth perception will reduce and then so will your potting and cue ball control ability

+nicbarrow thank you! That is wonderfull that you put a time for answering under this videos!!! You gave great channel!

Yes Gareth there is more confusion on this topic than any other in snooker technique - and I have seen player's ruined for DECADES following the Dominant Eye Theory!

Your face may be pointing a lot to the right meaning you cannot see in which case try turning it a little more forwards, or your left eye may be weak in which case try contact lenses. Or you may be delivering the tip of the cue to the right as you delivery in which case stay on the shot longer to evaluate your delivery and follow through the grip hand into the correct part of the chest for straight delivery on every shot.

find my comment it helped me. bye

Welcome

Yes women have less spatial awareness than men as a generalisation - as by the same token they have better organisational / multi tasking skills. Many but not all players have a vision centre that is different when stood up and when down on the shot. Players do not choose one eye to sight the ball when down on the shot - the fact that most pros are not cueing directly under one eye blasts the dastardly Dominant Eye Theory out of the water!

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Although you are saying this theory is wrong maybe I’m missing the point of your video by asking this question😂

Hi Crosdad. In fact I have zero opinion on anyone's vision centre - and neither should any player have an opinion on their vision centre. Instead, what I like to do is interrogate their brain (which does the seeing and stitching together of images into 3D - the eyes are just lenses). Have a look at these to get an idea of what I mean: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJ5od5WQvdDQmJc.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rq6WdqaZ2-DXYok.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcymfblmxrGdn5c.html

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I feel like my vision center is directly between my eyes but like I'm having to rotate my head in to maybe stop another eye from interfering. I'm stumped. I was using the 2 rests method

Answer above Joshua - thank you for sharing

That is very interesting Justin.... this is why I recommend people to check their eyesight and their vision centre yearly.

@@TheSnookerGym yeah but not all people can use both eyes , not every 1 can close both eyes independently . i can do what you do but most people watching this cant 10 % of the population is leftees and only 1 % is ambidextrous

@@justin-uf7xo Why would anyone need to close eyes independently? No one does that, and neither do they need to. Two eyes is always better for angle recognition.

Yes you will have a preferred eye Derek Eye strength is nothing to do with eye dominance - as 10% of my clients have the other eye stronger than the dominant eye. Even if vision strength is the same in both eyes, one must be dominant. BUT DO NOT cue under the dominant eye just because you heard someone say that you must! This product will help you understand it all a little better... Here is our most popular problem solver for AIMING AND SIGHTING: www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page/

This video will give you more information on this issue: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fL51rbqezdOZqmQ.html And this product will help you answer everything on the topic: Here is our most popular problem solver for AIMING AND SIGHTING: www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page/

This is the same problem I have, have u got answers

Most players select correctly naturally - BUT over 90% of players who follow the 'dominant eye' advice end up with wrong eye alignment in my experience. That means they will miss EVERYTHING if they cue straight!

www.thesnookergtym.com/aim-frame-page/ will give you the answer and more information too...

This is the solution you need to confirm or correct your vision centre Hannu. www.thesnookergym.com/CAT

I was coached by him also RIP. He was very good at coaching with the rest. However, that advice he gave was totally wrong. This is why I am so militant about crushing this terribly damaging dominant eye argument - it wrecks people's snooker lives.

yes he was a very good man and the best coach ever always spent extra time after lesson to talk and advice on your life with real interest and heart RIP indeed. I agree dominant eye did me no favours but cant say the same for higgins or hendry etc definitely it works very well for some ... i think the issue is with how we/our bodies and effectively our heads are twisted which means whatever was our predominant eye is converging ie not looking straight ahead anymore but to left or right and although we use one eye more than the other standing looking straight along shot its far more complicated with twisted torso etc not to mention the mental aspect of spatial or how the brain works as a whole or any other number of problems resulting from consciously changing or using one eye ...what i know now is to never consciously think about looking but instead use focus and concentration and keep head on line when addressing white. having come back from 7 years away from table mainly due to eyesight problem resulting from trying dominant eye for 20 years and over 6 hours play a day im now completely confused with alignment focus and everything else... I plan to try and enjoy learning everything from scratch as turns out the game is definitely not like riding a bike :/

me too, i was try to aim with one eye

@@TheSnookerGym thanks for the content, but if we should not abide by the mythical dominant eye argument, how we found our vision centre?

This should help! www.thesnookergym.com/cue-action-trainer

+rafer Jefferson iii Hi Rafer, very good post. There will be one optimum position for any player's head. You can find this by tilting, sliding, or twisting the head. Your stance and technique then serve that head/ 'camera' position. I had one RH player last week who had never found his optimum in his life. I asked him to play LH and he saw it instantly - for the first time in his life.... it gave him goose bumps! So remembering that LH head position, he simply shifted his RH stance to accommodate that...

+nicbarrow interesting, I'll give it a go in practice. Many thanks for response, your e book I found v helpful btw.

+rafer Jefferson iii OK Rafer let us know results!

These three simple video steps to aiming may interest you... 1. You must understand this first:The Dominant Eye Theory Is Wrong!kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fL51rbqezdOZqmQ.html 2. Then you are ready to find your vision centre:Two Rests Aiming Techniquekzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLGfgL2jzJexcZuH.htmlhis method is quite clunky, and more up to date information can be found here:www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page 3. You are then ready to learn straight cueing:Cue Action Trainer: Mastery Modekzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNCXlrOYtZOXqWg.html

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The Aim Frame will explain why 80% of club players are wrong to believe that you must cue under the dominant eye

Thank you

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Yes, lots of misinformation and thereby misunderstanding on this subject. Interesting that you're ambidextrous! Did that come naturally to you or have you put effort into practicing being able to use both hands?

@@TheSnookerGym I write right-handed but I also wear min watch on the right hand but I bat like crazy left play golf right. I just find left to be more rigid and precise where right is too loose some times. So it all depends

Very interesting - I war watch on right hand also partly because it is the opposite of what everyone else does!

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To clarify, I'm sat in my kitchen looking at the worktop on the other side of the room. When I close one and open the other, alternatively, the line of the worktop is higher on my left eye than it is on the right - do you know what I mean? When I do that blinking with alternative eyes and slowly tilt my head to the right, the edge of the worktop, the lines, they move from being adjacent/parallel to being one line. Thinking about it I think Paul Hunter used to be a bit lopsided.

Yes for example John Higgins favours slightly left of chin centre but also angles his face to the right of the line of aim by 15 degrees or so

Not sure this is a valid vision centre test but you are welcome to contact me and I will tell you how to send me a video of that process for my comments

Most people incorrectly assume that the 'dominant' eye is the 'stronger' one. Very few people realise this is an error - and many who listen to that theory end up with incorrect eye alignment and vision centre.

@@TheSnookerGym Once I stopped using my "dominant" eye and started using my vision center, I've been potting a lot more balls and winning a lot more matches. It works! Thanks Nic!

Thank you John - please keep spreading the word as so many players suffer years or decades of agony following these damaging myths.

If this was true, every pro would have one eye completely over the cue (which very few do) - and no pro would have the cue centrally over the cue (which many do). The worst advice in snooker (and which gets me more confused and destroyed clients walking through my door paying money to relieve their frustration) is: Find the dominant eye and cue completely underneath it.

@@TheSnookerGym nonsense. Can't believe the rubbish you are coming out with. Not everyone has a dominant eye, so obviously they all don't cue under one eye. A lot of players are even sighted, ie. Steve Davis. Gary Wilson is left eye dominant and cues under the left eye. How can you say people shouldn't use their dominant eye? You can line up straight and get your alignment spot on cueing under your dominant eye..

Thank you for your interesting expert feedback, which on this occasion I will be choosing not to take on board! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8uGocafna3Xl5s.html

Hi Dav22 you are right that the chin is a great guide for the cue. I have seen players who are dominant in one eye and strongest in the same eye (10% of the time the dominant eye is the WEAKER of the two - dominance is preference when the brain is given a choice of using just one eye and is like handedness, strength is how far away you can read print), who have their vision centre in the centre of the chin. So everyone is unique.

These three simple video steps to aiming may interest you... 1. You must understand this first: The Dominant Eye Theory Is Wrong! (this is the video above on this page) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fL51rbqezdOZqmQ.html 2. Then you are ready to find your vision centre: Two Rests Aiming Technique kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLGfgL2jzJexcZs.html This method is quite clunky, and more up to date information can be found here: Here is our most popular problem solver for AIMING AND SIGHTING: www.thesnookergym.com/p/aimframe Here is our ultimate solution for Perfect Potting, Perfect Aiming, Perfect Cueing… The Cue Action Trainer.www.thesnookergym.com/p/cue-action-trainer 3. You are then ready to learn straight cueing: Cue Action Trainer: Mastery Mode kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNCXlrOYtZOXqWg.html

This terrible advice about dominant eye is so wrong and the biggest crime in snooker coaching.

yeah tnx a lot for this explication

nicbarrow yes your video makes sense. Sighting over one eye or between the eyes is preference and not need according to ones eyes. With binocular vision there will be no parallax differences between people, who all have a cue running exactly between the eyes. The brain will see as much from the left eye as the right with the cue between the two. Cue positioning is more habit forming. If the body moves on the shot and the parallax will change (left or right head movement) the arm will move to hit across the shot to pot it, and a missed pot. Parallax is therefore important in head movement.

you completely right....you have to find that parallax that make you hit the object ball where you want...not to find your perfect straight line with your dominant eye....im a right Handed and a right eye dominant but i use my left eye to see the parallex that make me see where i want to hit the ball...as much as i can of course....and that it depends to your stance and the position of your head....and also the position of the cue on your chin

Snooker Coaching At The Snooker Gym tell that to the coach of john higgins hendry and mcguire who was emphatic about using dominant eye in virtually every lesson... Eddie Gill made sure they all used dominant eye and i was trained and reminded of it constantly

True - but they do have the power to deceive, and many players are deceived to their great detriment in this oft misunderstood area.

Hi Lord Karnage BB, I see your frustration there... Firstly, the dominant eye test IS WRONG as it is over-reductionistic (although it does in rare instances give the correct vision centre for a player - this false positive being invalid evidence to support the DE theory!). I do offer two products that help one establish their vision centre with certainty which I will now make available in the description of the video if people want to know more. Do you have any sighting issues or doubts yourself that you are battling with?

The Snooker Gym Nic can I interject with a question? I know undoubtably my right eye is most dominant but I seem to not have a vision center. I can line the cue under the left, right, center, of my face and it looks like I’m cueing center ball. As a result I’m really good at playing with side but long straight shots I usually cannot find my center. Is there anything you can tell me about that?

@@IFranchisedI Everyone has a vision centre - you have just not tested it yet. This is the Two Rests Aiming Technique for finding vision centre... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLGfgL2jzJexcZs.html This method is quite clunky, and more up to date information can be found here: www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page

Sorry Lord Karnage I should have referenced the videos below in the description and will do so now... The worst snooker advice ever - the dominant eye!: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8uGocafna3Xl5s.html Perfecting eye alignment and vision centre in minutes kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcymfblmxrGdn5c.html

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+vince wang Hi Vince yes sometimes to see a ball, we will choose the eye that is physically easier to keep open when we have to close one, rather than the best eye for the job. The new product is for you based on your questions, so keep watching the channel for updates this month. BUT you have to sight under the correct vision centre for YOU, not the correct one for any other pro player. You might look like the pro player, but you will play rubbish! Once you have established that, then your stance needs to find a position which will accomodate FIRSTLY and MOST IMPORTANTLY the correct vision centre and then SECONDLY the body position around the cue which will help it move straightest. This may mean for you to stand so that the body moves closer to the chest.

+nicbarrow Thank you nic! I will try to practice as your told. I will also e-mail you some short videos of my cuing to you and hope you will give me some further guide, because I can't cuing straight enough and have some other problems.

The dominant eye theory is wrong - and serves no meaningful purpose in establishing one's vision centre

Hi John Sorry for the omission! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rq6WdqaZ2-DXYok.html

And another kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJ5od5WQvdDQmJc.html

Could resist including another slating of the theory - even more detail in this one! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8uGocafna3Xl5s.html

And a very basic way of using the Cue Action Trainer method kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLGfgL2jzJexcZs.html

The good thing is that Barry is NOT saying that you should select the dominant eye, and cue under it. THAT is the worst advice in the world and anyone who teaches this I invite to watch my video above so that they can stop misinforming players and setting them on a lifetime of frustration, misdiagnosis, and blocked improvement. However, this drill if properly done as intended (as I have just tested) would lead to the pen being completely under one eye or the other. Have a look at these for what I designed as a fail safe method to find vision centre (which by the way has zero to do with the dominant eye - 10% of players who I have tested find their dominant eye is the WEAKER eye for reading and vision. And many players' vision centre favours the NON dominant eye). kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rq6WdqaZ2-DXYok.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJ5od5WQvdDQmJc.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcymfblmxrGdn5c.html

You did not watch the whole video - it says I am referring to the Dominant Eye THEORY, not its TERMINOLOGY.

Thank you Mike for re-iterating and backing up my point.... that eye dominance does not equal strength. This is the assumption mistake everyone makes (leading to massive vision centre errors) hence the video to explain the difference. Finally, you have made a spelling error on numerous occasions - when you wrote 'dominate', you actually meant to write 'dominant'.