Air Force jets dodging drones over Arizona desert
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5 ай бұрынF-16 collided with drone in restricted airspace over Goldwater Range in 2023
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@PHXAZ 5 ай бұрын
that isnt just someone messing around. no one with a drone like that would play around like that to get a good shot.
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
Most likely an agency testing something the fighter pilots weren't supposed see or fly through the test area.
@TheRealScooterGuy 5 ай бұрын
A lot of people will do stupid things just hoping for "likes" and "subs" on social media. People have crashed their own planes (and died), for gosh sakes. Of course they would fly drones in places that are not legal. So why hasn't the video surfaced online? They may have realized the legal peril they would be in if they shared the video, or they are waiting for a statute of limitations to run. (We see the latter with street racing videos, sometimes.)
@libertyforall5764 5 ай бұрын
Possible.
@lightningxx 5 ай бұрын
@@TheRealScooterGuy There is no statute of limitations with the military lol. They will find find them
@TheRealScooterGuy 5 ай бұрын
@@lightningxx -- Shhhh. If they think there is one, let them wait it out and post their video. Then they can enter the "found out" portion of their stupid stunt.
@XSspeeds 5 ай бұрын
Obviously the FAAs' extremely well thought out remote ID program should have prevented this.
@HoundDogMech 5 ай бұрын
RID LOL ... The same People thought up RID that thought up the Titanic Only a Couple Years Too LATE.
@gendaminoru3195 5 ай бұрын
NO, that's only for law abiding US citizens, not espionage agents in our midst...
@wilsonrawlin8547 5 ай бұрын
@@gendaminoru3195 EXACTLY!! These INANE laws only affect LEGAL US citizens. Not ILLEGALS who are spies for other countries who have the drones and resources for spying on this range and probably many other places. This is all being ALLOWED TO HAPPEN by the DEM regime and diaper joe. Completely helping China to end up destroying the USA.
@FarmerFpv 5 ай бұрын
There are also many loopholes.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
They're dumping tons on meaningless tech and can't even detect a 10 foot drone, just so that the pilot-in-command could get struck by another one.
@patmahoney3120 5 ай бұрын
Every modern aircraft in the sky is constantly sending and receiving radio signals. The goal of the adversary is to figure out which signal or frequency aligns with which activity. They would like to know, for instance, what signal aligns with a deployment of a particular weapon system. If they can ‘hear’ it as well as observe it often enough, they will know with some certainty what to expect the next time they detect the signal. The drones could very well be friendly. As much as an enemy might like to know, we would also like to know what our signal signature looks like under a myriad of conditions and what we might do to better conceal or disguise it.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
Obviously whoever is doing it isn't retarded sending a $500 10 foot drone which $70 million F16 fails to detect or destroy it. Seems the military is testing their own jets capabilities of these situations (would they seriously risk their own pilots? i bet so) or some foreign national testing US F16s and gathering capabilities. Anyone who knows about flight control understands that it requires zero communication or radio signals given off, they simply fly it "autonomously", which also includes no GPS or any radio signal needed. GPS signals seems to be irrelevant since it is basically receiving that info and I highly doubt that they way they designed space GPS systems to keeps a log who-is-what-and-where-is-that.
@endofdaysprophet 5 ай бұрын
Obviously if they were checking U.S. detection capabilities they gained a lot of info!!!
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
exactly and confirmed it via public news, this should be classified info.
@samus40glock 5 ай бұрын
Look at the map of all the land that China owns in Az and you might get your answer.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
China own 26.2 million acres of Arizona farmland... wow, guess we know who is most likely doing it...
@davidboatman925 5 ай бұрын
The CCP is not allowed to own land in AZ.
@amariner5 5 ай бұрын
@@davidboatman925 but Chinese citizens are allowed to own land in AZ and the rest of the USA.
@chrisd2p2 5 ай бұрын
@@davidboatman925 Except Chinese "citizens" can and we all know who really owns it...
@alileevil 5 ай бұрын
Don't like it, then change the laws. The USA allows foreign nationals and companies to buy land. And I find it funny how Americans complain about Chinese owned land when the USA literally has military bases surrounding China LOL>
@dusty7264 5 ай бұрын
As wide open as the border is it could be anyone,
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 5 ай бұрын
So they say that they actually hit one of the drones with the "rear canopy" of an F-16. They didn't tell us anything about the wreckage of that drone...🤔
@666gato 5 ай бұрын
5 to 10 ft wingspan would be rather large for a consumer or hobbyist drone .
@lutomson3496 5 ай бұрын
RC planes are that big and bigger though
@666gato 5 ай бұрын
@@lutomson3496 you should watch the video since it shows multi rotor drones not winged drones . Not to mention the average hobbyist of rc airplanes don't have 10ft wingspans planes . Sure they make them common not even slightly .
@onmyworkbench7000 5 ай бұрын
@flpiercer I have and have had several RC models with wingspans well over 10ft. I currently have one that has a 13 ft. wingspan. You can see it on my KZfaq channel. look for FLAMINGO UAV MK2
@wilsonrawlin8547 5 ай бұрын
These are custom built and military level drones. Chinese IMO and all allowed by diaper joe and the DEM regime.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
not really, you seem to not keep track what drone youtubers are doing.
@RuggedBrotha 5 ай бұрын
Aint no dam kids... Its the Chinese...
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
That high, in that place, more likely a domestic agency testing something the military pilots weren't cleared to know about. Chinese would just use a Satellite, like the US does over China and Russia.
@nattybumpo7156 5 ай бұрын
@@PiDsPagePrototypes Or a balloon.
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
@@nattybumpo7156 Unlikely, but only because the pilots that have reported it as "a drone" would be trained to tell the difference between wings and balloons :)
@nattybumpo7156 5 ай бұрын
@@PiDsPagePrototypes Can't tell if you are serious or your sarcasm radar is bent.
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
@@nattybumpo7156 The description of it being a winged drone, not the quadcopter style that most people would think, is mentioned in the reports from the pilots who saw it. Wings, means, not Balloon.
@dinosabic5383 5 ай бұрын
Wild that a $1000 drone can take out $85M fighter jet.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
Well said.
@Destin65 5 ай бұрын
Same thing that happened in Vietnam, a bullet costing a few cents bringing down a half-million dollar UH-1 near an LZ. Nothing really wild about it. Or the fact that a free bird (no pun intended, Skynyrd) can bring down a $100 million jet like a B-1 bomber, which one in fact did on September 28, 1987, killing 6 crew members.
@dinosabic5383 5 ай бұрын
@@Destin65 its weird to think of eh? Something seemingly so little being a threat to something so large and expensive.
@feralfpv3768 5 ай бұрын
Mean while billions of birds are flying at the moment
@dinosabic5383 5 ай бұрын
Luckily birds don't fly at the same altitudes that passenger planes cruise at. As a kid I just assumed planes would shred them and move on with their day. I fly fpv as well. Have 13 quads built with like 5 in perpetual rebuild. I guess I just never saw them as anti aircraft equipment baha.@@feralfpv3768
@HumanBeanbag 5 ай бұрын
"I'm not saying it's aliens.... but it's definitely aliens."
@armageddonready4071 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, illegal one.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
Pilot: Sir, UFO-1 has taken down Alfredo and UFO-2 has taken down Pikachu.
@craigsurette3438 5 ай бұрын
Drones like this would have to have radio control from somewhere nearby. By tracking the drone, the Airforce should be able to listen in and get at least a general idea where the operator is, and or they could jam the drone to bring it down to inspect it.
@LoanwordEggcorn 5 ай бұрын
Radio control is not required to a drone to operate.
@bigedslobotomy 5 ай бұрын
The Air Force ought to use these drones as an opportunity to practice taking down drones, as they are becoming increasingly used in modern warfare. That way, the air force is not out the cost of a drone, and the drone owner really can’t squawk about it, because it was restricted air space and they’d get in trouble just for admitting that it was their drone.
@HoundDogMech 5 ай бұрын
Ya real Smart use a Half million Dollar missle to take down a $300 Drone. Real Smrt there BOOBY.
@MAGAman-uy7wh 5 ай бұрын
The Air Force can use electronic measures to drop the drones.
@12mrcool1 5 ай бұрын
@@HoundDogMech he never even said it had to be a missile (or “missle”, but I tried to type that wrong 3-4 times due to autocorrect…not sure how you did that).
@libertyforall5764 5 ай бұрын
Dude never said missile, but a 20 or 30 mm vulcan will work assuming no one will be hit on the ground.
@jeffscott3186 5 ай бұрын
@@libertyforall5764 10 foot wingspan, probably less than 60 mph targeted by an F-16 with a stall speed of 200 knots. That'd be a pretty incredible shot to pull off.
@user-dw1ls3rp1l 5 ай бұрын
Aliens.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
I was surprised they didn't call it UFO...
@BOTGRINDER 5 ай бұрын
i expect to see alot more story's like this since remote id comes out next month and they want us gone.
@ninjalemon_Squash 5 ай бұрын
😄
@thecourier2018 5 ай бұрын
They want Irresponsible drone operators gone. They don't care about those who use common sense, follow regulations and stay away from areas they don't belong.
@GOD719 5 ай бұрын
@@thecourier2018 And uh. What regulation is that? The regulation YOU want? Flying over airports, helipads, or bases is obvious. But what the anti drone nutters want is more bans. They are similar to anti gun people. Don't know shit about the topic but push their agenda
@dalzy1969 5 ай бұрын
Definitely the Chinese.
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
More likely, somone in a three letter agency was testing hardware no-one is supposed to know about, and the fighter jet pilots stumbled in to the test.
@onmyworkbench7000 5 ай бұрын
Why should they be concerned with a 10 ft. drone when in 2023 they let *_a Chinese SPY balloon fly across the ENTIER U.S for 5 days._* The US tracked the Chinese spy balloon for 5 days before shooting it down over the Atlantic near Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. It flew at an altitude of 60,000 feet. The balloon was around 200 feet tall and it's payload was a bout the size of two or three school buses, it was powered by 48 solar panels.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
They better be concerned because it's undetectable, imagine driving a $70 million Ferrari at 1,000 MPH blindfolded and all of a sudden smashed into a brick wall, thats the same thing when a drone is struck by a F16.
@NinjaRunningWild 5 ай бұрын
@@sto2779Stealth isn't undetectable. It just reduces time to detection & makes getting a weapons grade lock difficult.
@brianboykin4965 5 ай бұрын
I would not doubt an adversarial country could have a hidden military base inside our country. Interesting times.
@Mike.The.Jeweler 5 ай бұрын
Something like 25,000 military age male Chinese nationals have entered the us via the southern border since the start of the year, so 12k a month, while Chinese shell companies have been buying up land surrounding and adjacent to us military installations, to the tune of literally millions of square acres. Yeah this is all by design, there is absolutely operational foreign militaries within our borders.
@XinaCCPFreeTibet 5 ай бұрын
It would be very odd if the air force hasn’t realized this how the real world is.. such “unidentified” objects are going to be intruding all theaters (including homeland) especially during war times.
@HoundDogMech 5 ай бұрын
How can a 20 mph Dron Strike a 300MPH fighter jet. Ask again just Who hit Who.
@trespire 5 ай бұрын
Some one in the US Armed Forces had better beef up the field-security requirments.
@Reach41 5 ай бұрын
Amazing that pilots, cooking along at 600+ MPH, can even seen them - drones are generally limited to an average of 40-50 mph, and have the RCS of a tarantula.
@mrz6480 5 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@egondro9157 5 ай бұрын
So you can’t see the ground because it’s static compare to the reference of the pilot? Yes you don’t get much time to see but it depends on where the prospective is. Side views no problem. Straight on is the issue. So you seeing a drone a bit away is possible. Especially top down views.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
what makes you think F16 training is done at slow speeds? Its rated at 1,500 MPH but have a minimum speed of 130 MPH. Advanced drones could go up to 100 MPH+
@Reach41 5 ай бұрын
@@sto2779 I can't see mine from the ground once I'm above a couple hundred feet, and it only goes around 40 MPH. It's pretty difficult to pick out full size aircraft from the air, unless they are very close, and unless you know where to look both in azimuth and elevation, and even then you have to concentrate. What suggests to you that spotting one from an F-16 at normal cruise speed and altitude is practical, given all the other things that command a pilot's attention, and considering that he doesn't know there's one around to look for to begin with?
@NinjaRunningWild 5 ай бұрын
Probably shows up on their radar.
@seth7745 5 ай бұрын
They should look at this as a training opportunity for arial combat against drones.
@randyhess260 5 ай бұрын
What do you expect when you let 25,000 Chinese in a month in the country
@LeftThumbBreak 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely nothing to do with the border.
@captain54526 5 ай бұрын
Cartel hauling dope !
@jcresap2077 5 ай бұрын
Cartel drug delivery drone, that range runs clear to the border.
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
That's more likely then a foriegn power, right after a US agency testing new hardware.
@Lex1uth3r 5 ай бұрын
@@PiDsPagePrototypes 😂exactly. This isn't an R&D range like WSMR, its basically just an upscaled civilian shooting range. Nothing is being used that isn't already out there, besides a bunch of pilots that are honing their skills.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
doubt it, last thing cartel wanna do is directly get in conflict with military than regular police.
@abundantharmony 5 ай бұрын
It's 2024 and your media team's best is a 720p upload with horrible blown out audio? I could never.
@user-ld6tn4er9p 5 ай бұрын
WOW we need to get military intelligence involved.... just kidding, we know how that works
@ultralaggerREV1 5 ай бұрын
Ace Combat becoming real
@elementaleighteight 5 ай бұрын
The drone knows where it is. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
@Bigpopp1 5 ай бұрын
If all the person wanted to know was what they are doing or dropping they wouldn’t want to place the drone in a way that could draw attention to themselves.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
its clear what they want to do... see a F16 go boom.
@TheFlyingZulu 5 ай бұрын
1:29 lol. That's ERAU for you... imagine wearing a flight suit to fly drones. I know because I went there in 2005-2007. It was a huge waste of my time and money.
@ronwade5646 5 ай бұрын
AZ DPS have drones that big.
@eligebrown8998 5 ай бұрын
I bet it's the same person
@lutomson3496 5 ай бұрын
wondering how much of this is theory and conjecture..lots of drone pilots fly out there looking for old caves, settlements etc they are all over youtube and 400 ft is the max they are supposed to be up...i fly drones but not there
@blowinkk9396 5 ай бұрын
If a drone hti an F16 where is the picture of the damage??
@janofb 5 ай бұрын
200,000 Chinese nationals have crossed the border illegally. Thank's Joe!
@jkbc 5 ай бұрын
We keep talking about high speed drone, jet etc, have we thought about slow moving object that can be used for spying? how can we detect them? are our borders safely guarded from these stealthy crawly inching forward to our country?
@GOD719 5 ай бұрын
Can we sue KZfaq, Google, media channels for deleting comments?
@Destin65 5 ай бұрын
Yes, if they violate your civil rights.
@tylerdurden4006 5 ай бұрын
Bcoz you think Russia is gonna use drones against your fighters instead of missiles that are generations ahead of any of yours? Weird but okay 👍
@Lex1uth3r 5 ай бұрын
Probably the cartels 3d mapping it to find the best delivery routes, and its easier to watch for and gather detailed intel on border security and patrols from the sky once you know they'll be in the area given the battery life or fuel limitations of drones.
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
What ever you're smoking got you really thinking dumb.
@longiusaescius2537 5 ай бұрын
@sto2779 CJNG is literally its own government
@sto2779 5 ай бұрын
@@longiusaescius2537 what is CJNG?
@longiusaescius2537 5 ай бұрын
@@sto2779 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@Aphichat. 5 ай бұрын
Clearly someone is probing on US weak spot. On how to counter those F-22-35.
@BestlifeNomad 5 ай бұрын
Spies !
@hotttt28 5 ай бұрын
Negative ghost rider the pattern is full !
@currentfaves65 5 ай бұрын
And China owns farmland around almost all major U.S. military installation to the point of the being the largest "farmer" in the U.S.?
@NineNineSevenTurbo 5 ай бұрын
Even when it’s not China, it was China…
@hotttt28 5 ай бұрын
Drug cartel !
@Tracker-Two-Two. 5 ай бұрын
Num ba wun cheye-nah
@user-yg1zp8uk4d 5 ай бұрын
China is inside US 😂
@hipoman8087 5 ай бұрын
Europe is having the same problem. Could one take down an airliner.
@davidchana962 5 ай бұрын
dang immigrants! launching drones now?!
@mikeymike758 5 ай бұрын
China, Aliens, Elon Musk?
@DaKrawnik 5 ай бұрын
America is a free country. I'll fly my drone where I want.
@Destin65 5 ай бұрын
With freedom comes responsibility. Use some responsibility or get no freedom. There's a reason why questionnaires on things like job applications ask if your civil rights were restored after an arrest. Those who fail to use responsibility quickly rack up criminal records.
@robbs.6871 5 ай бұрын
The Chinese
@r.l.mashburn4851 5 ай бұрын
Outlaw them things in the USA.
@GOD719 5 ай бұрын
I have a drone. GFYS commie
@fraydnot 5 ай бұрын
Doesn't China own land around that area?
@shawlork 5 ай бұрын
God damn Biden
@jimjones9239 5 ай бұрын
Talk to uncle Xi, find out how much farmland he owns around there.
@ValioMadre7 5 ай бұрын
Putin testing the waters.
@GOD719 5 ай бұрын
Or americans wanting to see free fireworks? Imagine getting a gbu explosion on camera.
@ErrorOptik 5 ай бұрын
So if I say it’s China, is my comment going to be taken down again? 🙄
@SgtJoeSmith 5 ай бұрын
china
@jimwattenburger4545 5 ай бұрын
Chinese government people !!
@ScoutSniper3124 5 ай бұрын
No Chinese drone operators were harmed in the making of this video. Their drones, not so much.
@user-wn8so7kc8e 5 ай бұрын
Too many Drones..accident waiting to happen
@feralfpv3768 5 ай бұрын
How many billions of birds are flying at this moment retard
@wreckin11 5 ай бұрын
Yellow spys
@biffhenderson1144 5 ай бұрын
China?
@hipoman8087 5 ай бұрын
Should be a federal crime.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 5 ай бұрын
It is.
@hipoman8087 5 ай бұрын
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Good
@feralfpv3768 5 ай бұрын
Karen's leaving the house should be a federal crime
@plutus205 5 ай бұрын
Chinese???
@user-dd7zq7cl7m 5 ай бұрын
What a good way to put a bad image on drones. I know darn well this ain't true! I've flown my drone for 10 years and you can't take that away from me. Stupid propaganda.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 5 ай бұрын
Since when does an F-16 have a rear canopy?
@Destin65 5 ай бұрын
All F-16 B, D and F aircraft have two seats, i.e. a forward and rear cockpit, two-seater, with a forward and rear canopy over each cockpit. Technical, yeah, it's a single-piece canopy but to denote locations they still use forward/aft (rear) locations on canopy. So, the strike description immediately told me it was a two-seat variant. Also, for the record, the QF-16 is the drone version of the F-16 and is a no-seater as it is an unmanned aircraft.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 5 ай бұрын
@@Destin65 So even though it's one canopy they refer to the aft part of it as the "rear canopy" (as if it were separate from the front?
@feralfpv3768 5 ай бұрын
the plane was backing up obviously when it got hit
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 5 ай бұрын
@@feralfpv3768 Yes, that must be it! 🤣🤣🤣
@TheCyberMantis 5 ай бұрын
China.
@kenrdavis2266 5 ай бұрын
Most drones can fly that high. FAA law requires 400’ or less but they can easily go 10,000 feet
@ihazafishy 5 ай бұрын
The batteries don't last that long unless your highly experienced making gas engine craft or like they said something with a significant wingspan for a choking battery. Most off the shelf radio systems are also only good for a couple miles as well.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 5 ай бұрын
Most drones do not easily go 10000 feet high. Consumer and enterprise drones are mostly limited by the manufacturer. To get around that limitation somebody would have to hack the software. Custom built drones don't have those limitations but they are liminated by battery life so if somebody were able to get that high it wouldn't last for very long before the thing ran out of gas and fell back down. A drone that had the ability to climb to 10000 feet and stay there would not be "most drones", it would be a very rare much more sophisticated and expensive drone.
@jaxturner7288 5 ай бұрын
“Most” Hardly. Maybe 5% can climb 10,000 feet. 😂
@patrickkraemer8905 5 ай бұрын
China
@malonlabe8806 5 ай бұрын
That area is a significant drug corridor for the cartel. They have flown manned crafts before. They have the resources to have unmanned drones now., especially since the weed business is dead for them. They don’t need to carry as much weight for the bang of the dollar. They get way more money for grams of fentanyl than they ever did for pounds of weed.
@dan7163 5 ай бұрын
A simple drone can ground our elite air superiority. Any enemy anywhere can defeat us with toys. We suck
@Doonit_hard_way_since_65 5 ай бұрын
There is a hint to be found in the fact you show a multirotor in a video clip, then start talking about a wingspan. Do you see any wings on the multirotor? What kind of trash reporting is this? It is obvious the USAF guys are seeing a large fixed wing, and that may be a POV flown R/C model, not a "drone" at all. At a 4 meter wingspan, if that is built light, it may be autonomous, and launched many many kms from the sighting. With all that Chinese owned land right around that local, I would guess there is your answer, but keep trying to blame some 4x4 enthusiast with a hobby drone, all the while ignoring the obvious. lol, trash reporting at it's finest
@geargeekpdx3566 5 ай бұрын
What's really alarming is that Barry Goldwater has something named after him
@curtbowers7817 5 ай бұрын
Goldwater is certainly better than McCain
@geargeekpdx3566 5 ай бұрын
@@curtbowers7817It's like anal herpes vs ocular shingles right there
@longiusaescius2537 5 ай бұрын
@curtbowers7817 only barely
@hotttt28 5 ай бұрын
China !
@tonysimek 5 ай бұрын
Idiotic reporting. Comments match the quality of the report.
@another_irate_user 5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@ringmasterjeb3453 5 ай бұрын
China, China, China, China, China
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
Some of this is clearly BS - independent tests have shown the majority of consumer grade drones are Nowhere Near As Solid As A Bird. In fact, many of the drone-vs-aircraft parts test have been shown to be unreliable, as the drones had to be beefed up just to survive the process that launched them at the test articles. Even if the usual quadcopter style drone was sucked in to a jet engine, it would cause less damage than a goose or eagle could do. "Hitting the rear of the canopy of an F-16",... riiiiight, so the F-16 was flying backwards for that to happen?? At the altitude and size described later in the video, the most likely truth is, a US agency testing hardware the fighter pilots were unaware of, followed by a university aeronautics test program, a drug cartel shipment drone, or a civilian with Wing or Jet style RPV and really good FPV systems. Another country is the least likely to be true, but the most likely to be suggested by the propaganda depts of the mainstream media.
@mofomoco 5 ай бұрын
Maybe maybe not comrade
@notanymore9471 5 ай бұрын
You are way off. A drone sucked into a jet engine would most likely cause catastrophic damage.
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
@@notanymore9471 Note I said "less damage", and when compared to a bird, it is less damage. For the moment, it's still only hypothetical damage as there's no evidence of it ever having happened, where bird damage happens routinely.
@notanymore9471 5 ай бұрын
@@PiDsPagePrototypes what does that even mean? A drone or a bird will both destroy a jet engine. You should just be quiet as you obviously are not qualified to speak on the subject. Go play with your drones instead.
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 ай бұрын
@@notanymore9471 Maybe from the way you speak to people, you should be quiet and let the adults talk.
@phineascromwell 5 ай бұрын
Made In China
@feralfpv3768 5 ай бұрын
Karen media reporting
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