to tjp353 and DEEREMEYER 1 I salute you both.Some 11 months ago you both put forward the most argumentative points across on Boeing and Airbus. You both knew your stuff and thanks for taking time and effort to post them here. Make most interesting readings!! cheers mates
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
Like I already said, ultimate load testing and fatigue testing are 2 very different things - and I'm sure you know why. I'm just surprised the fatigue crack issue wasn't discovered first on the fatigue test wing. 'Teething trouble' for a new design is embarrassing and expensive for it's manufacturer, but is certainly not limited to the A380. I'm trying to remain neutral here, but the 747 & DC10 also had early design problems (that cost lives) - something fortunately avoided by the A380 so far.
@thwalesproductions5 жыл бұрын
I love how all the wings on Airbuses are made in Wales. Proud to be Welsh
@will.h91344 жыл бұрын
And Chester
@tripwire3992 Жыл бұрын
@@will.h9134 the airbus factory is in wales
@jaromirstepan73293 жыл бұрын
Damn this video has music more lit than a 2020 Christmas
@dudewheresmydrum9 жыл бұрын
That was really cool! I wasn't planning on watching the whole thing because it seemed to long. But as soon as it was over, I wanted to see the rest of the plane put together!
@josenewtoncostacosta8079 Жыл бұрын
it's really incredible. we have to recognize the pioneering spirit and tradition in the manufacture of airplanes in the UK, when seeing this project in the manufacture of the wings of the AIRBUS and a surprising fact the A380 with its wings at an angle to house the R&R engines is spectacular and more the technological area of new materials. thinking well!!! the A380 is practically ENGLISH
@Efe64_644 жыл бұрын
"Make sure everybody is out of the way" *Cameraman gets under the surface of the wing
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
I'm aware of that. The wings have been strengthened. Once a wing design's properties are 'known', they don't need snapping again once they are strengthened. If that were the case, every time a plane type has it's weights increased (ie, stretched) it's new, modified & strengthened wing would need ultimate load testing all over again. Plenty of planes have had their wings modified and strengthened, based on the original wing testing results. The FAA has approved the A380 design.
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
Airbus didn't just appear out of nowhere in the 1970s - it was created from a combination of European companies, most of which had been building planes just as long as Boeing. Reading the NTSB report for AA flight 587, a lot of blame is placed on the pilot (and his reputation for rudder over-use) & inadequate AA training, not just the A300 rudder. Both companies have had their fair share of innovations, successes, problems & crashes. None of this proves that one is better, or 'leads' the other.
@misaghmilad10 жыл бұрын
thx man
@dibaldgyfm99334 жыл бұрын
This is what I have been wondering about since I read about the A380. This plane, now considered too big because it is difficult to fill it with passengers, is a wonder of technique, but isn't it also very vulnerable maintenance-wise?
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything - just trying to correct the assertions that:- a. Airbus always follows Boeing - they're both responsible for numerous innovations, improvements and advances. b. That the wing rib cracks are a big issue - they're not flight critical & fixing them isn't difficult. c. Airbus are 'happy' to build an unsafe A380 - they're having problems, like Boeing, but they're doing what's required to fix them. And subsidies? Both are pointing fingers at each other.
@leneanderthalien11 жыл бұрын
In complement: the Last tests from a the 022 Leduc Statoreactor, and from the Nord 1500 Griffon prototype fighter (fly mach 2.19 in 1957) was take from André Turcat, the chief test pilot from...the Concorde... Many inventions are found long before it was technicaly possible to built it , ex: was the case from the turbo (Swiss Alfred Büchi, in 1905), the G compressor (French Léon Creux 1905),etc...
@MattH-wg7ou4 жыл бұрын
"Supercharged Engines"??? Wut. Supercharged Turbofans? K...if you say so...
@sexigrande17924 жыл бұрын
Lol the fuel conspirators are all over these aircraft videos lately.
@The_McRib6 жыл бұрын
Love how they decided to include the sirens. Would never have realised that things were moving around otherwise.
@pvougi113 жыл бұрын
During the machining of the aluminum wing skin....stresses build up in the material itself. In order to normailze the material after the machining operation it is baked in the oven to release all of the stress during the machining process.
@Len020136 жыл бұрын
pete vougiouklakis thanks was wonder why they did that
@TheDylanJoyce8 жыл бұрын
Forget the simple luxury of being able to fly... Planes are so goddamn expensive because if what work goes into MAKING THEM!
@omnielectron9616 Жыл бұрын
We just see an airplane going up and down thinking it's absolutely easy, not being aware that we are light years away from understanding the science behind aviation.
@mnmomen96186 жыл бұрын
Hey JRLzags why did you upload an incomplete vdo?? VERY much irritated
@bowpilot5510 жыл бұрын
Please explain " supercharged " engines..
@TSumanJonesGiri10 жыл бұрын
supercharged engines means use of extra turbine to compress the air before mixing the fuel to increase the density of air for engine efficiency
@bowpilot5510 жыл бұрын
The term " supercharged " applies to piston engines, where air is mechanically forced into the cylinder before combustion . All jet engines have turbines to compress the air entering the engine. Its the basic principle on which jet motors function, Some may have more stages of turbines than others . I don't see where the " extra " description is applicable here .
@TSumanJonesGiri10 жыл бұрын
ya me too, never heard this term used for jet engine, but that's what supercharged means
@tjp3539 жыл бұрын
Suman Giri I've heard it used for turbofans, but only rarely. It was used to describe a 2 (or 3) spool engine, where the high pressure compressor was said to 'supercharge' (further pressurise) the air that had passed through the low pressure compressor, before entering the combustion chamber. Since so many different engines of this type exist, it was maybe just an unusual way to describe a 'common' process, rather than a specific engine design.
@TSumanJonesGiri9 жыл бұрын
tjp353 thank you
@MrTheuploader12310 жыл бұрын
try either 1) Megastructures - Airbus A380 or 2) Airbus A380 contruction and Documentary part 1 to several parts. watch out for interesting person/character Charles Champion (French guy) and John Leahy (Englishman). happy viewing
@MoritzvonSchweinitz5 жыл бұрын
What effect does heating aluminium to 150 degrees in a vacuum have? Drive out water? Affect the oxide layer?
@TheSejan2313 жыл бұрын
Airbus A380 simply the best.
@JL-nb7ep5 жыл бұрын
The question is why do you scan for a broken vac bag? A system should alert you in case of any pressure / vacuum loss during HT.
@barthoedemaker11 жыл бұрын
It's just waiting for one of these things to come down
@leneanderthalien11 жыл бұрын
What you mean? the first flight from a stato was planed in 1940 , but because the WW2 occupation of France from the nazis, tested in flight only after in 1946. Because a statoreactor not work without initial speed, the first Leduc aircraft was use launch from a bomber , but later use composite engine (turboreactor+ statoreactor) , the statoreactor was ignited after take off, over 300kph. Actualy, statoreactors are use from missiles and the US "UFO" aircraft who fly mach 6 and +
@yashsherathia83492 жыл бұрын
Can you expalin it in detail how airplane wings are manufactured and what is that manufacturing process?
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
What reason is there for the NTSB to incorrectly blame the pilot? Rudder inputs after the event? The point of fin separation would be obvious from the rudder input and yaw data recorded on the flight data recorder. "pilot error proof" - the A300 had a conventional hydraulically assisted, cable operated flight control system, with none of the 'hard limits' of the later (A320 onward) Airbus fbw system. The NTSB report states that the A300 fin & rudder exceeded certification requirements.
@avcreations618211 ай бұрын
Nice video
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
787 also appears to have it's own engine issues too with the General Electric GEnx. Again - 'teething trouble', like I've been trying to explain all day, shit happens - especially when new planes are developed and first introduced into service. And no, I'm not biased, or somehow supporting Airbus - I've argued with plenty of Boeing haters too. Basically fools who hate one or the other, just for the sake of it, while failing to recognise (or ignoring) any of the faults of 'their' company.
@misaghmilad11 жыл бұрын
i want to see the whole of this documentary, dose anybody know the name??? please
@THEzTROLLlz11 жыл бұрын
No, this is NOT a JRL production. Hosting the video is fine, but taking credit is just asking for KZfaq to remove it. Still thumbs up :)
@buckotte14144 жыл бұрын
Wow !!
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
I'm more surprised it didn't turn up on the fatigue test wing, before it was found in service. The test rig is supposed to be 'years' of flight cycles ahead of any in-service plane and it's there to identify exactly this sort of problem. Ultimate wing load failure is totally different to fatigue cracks, so I doubt the 2 are related. With the 147% ultimate load failure, Airbus seem to have done enough to satisfy the FAA & other regulators that they've fixed the problem - or it wouldn't be flying.
@clich126 Жыл бұрын
This is interesting as heck
@capespring12 жыл бұрын
@lihaoyang I believe the construction or design not the real problem. My opinion, the goal of low fuel consumption is the culprit.
@bunnyboywarren6 жыл бұрын
25mtre x 5m x 2m so could be divided out ?
@MrEiriku13 жыл бұрын
@madisonelectronic you mean YOUR ........ right?
@tjp35312 жыл бұрын
It's not unusual for cracks to develop on any aircraft. As long as they're monitored correctly and repaired accordingly, it's perfectly safe. In a quick internet search for structural cracks on A300, A320, A330, A340, B737, B747, B757 & B767, ALL have suffered structural cracks of some kind. Anyone who has flown has likely flown on an aircraft with a few cracks here and there, but because this involves the A380 it's big news.
@useruiy5 жыл бұрын
You are more than a human you are a kind of god
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
The point is, the original 767-200 had a MTO weight of 315000lbs, while the 767-400ER has a MTO of 450000lbs. The original -200 wing wasn't designed for this weight. Boeing didn't have to repeat the 150% ultimate load test on the 767 wing, every time the weight grew, just like Airbus don't have to repeat the same test after they discovered the A380 wing broke at 147% - they just have to modify and strengthen it accordingly. Unbiased? Yes - I argue with Boeing haters too.
@NaturalBidoha6 жыл бұрын
no cameras...😃
@rext89494 жыл бұрын
After all this effort you get cracks in the wings ?? I think I'll take the train ...
@coriscotupi8 жыл бұрын
I didn't make it past 0:37 - "four supercharged engines"; What kind of shitty aviation show would start off by stating that turbofans are "supercharged"? I just closed this shit, went elsewhere and spared myself from losing another 7min 27sec of precious lifetime.
@ZilogBob6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the warning. I won't waste my time watching it.
@The_McRib6 жыл бұрын
Supercharged just means that the driveshaft is connected to a compressor which forces air into the combustion chamber, so technically all jet engines are supercharged by design.
@Concernedviewer015 жыл бұрын
But came back to write a comment. If u don’t care just move on.
@topgeardel4 жыл бұрын
Is this guy saying the metal used for the wings is aluminum?
@rattywoof52594 жыл бұрын
No, aluminium - it's only the US who lazily omit a letter.
@topgeardel4 жыл бұрын
@@rattywoof5259 It's not laziness, the US simply is too busy being the Leader of the world. It's about time management. Why put an extra syllable in a word when you can just say "aluminum".
@rattywoof52594 жыл бұрын
@@topgeardel Hey, you could save even more time by saying uranum, plutonum, neptunum, praeseodymum etc - why stop at one?
@masonhenry67127 жыл бұрын
I want one
@djkmedia3804 жыл бұрын
looks up vid on wing construction, gets to wing construction part.. no cameras/ end of vid
@DowntownCanon9 жыл бұрын
I'd prefer that they focus more on the coffee maker. Nothing ruins a flight like a bad cup of coffee. I don't really care if a wing falls off in flight.
@The_McRib6 жыл бұрын
Luckily most bacteria that makes you ill will die in boiling water, so this isn't really an issue for coffee or tea. Here's a related but more common problem, restaurants very rarely clean their soda machines, which does actually result in the issue s mentioned.
@Benny_AUT5 жыл бұрын
Oh, believe me, you will begin to care if that falls of :)
@cbrbikerdaz5 жыл бұрын
Of course you would !!
@langsteubuisnaamooit13 жыл бұрын
four supercharged engines...wow
@truthflatearth2 жыл бұрын
Show the dam fuel tanks .. 8 have never seen one
@mitreswell6 жыл бұрын
How come the plastic bag doesn't melt in the autoclave? I have the way they try to milk some drama out of the processes. Can't they just let the facts speak for themselves?
@MarcosSilva-dr9sy4 жыл бұрын
Qual o valor de uma aeronave dessa em reais
@microphonixvirtualstudio16345 жыл бұрын
I do not understand what you mean by meters. We uas the measuring system called imperial that was invented in England.
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
Regarding fly-by-wire - what do you think Boeing have used for the 777 and 787 flight control systems? The only real physical difference is Boeing use a control column and yoke, while Airbus use a sidestick, but both companies now use fly-by-wire. I'm not here to convince anyone - I'm neutral in the whole Airbus vs Boeing argument. The fact of the matter is, both have introduced new technologies, both build great planes and both have suffered 'teething troubles' on some of their designs.
@captaincrunch81396 жыл бұрын
But but but..if that airplane doesn't have wifi i will not book a flight. 🤣😂
@lulutileguy4 жыл бұрын
a bonny scot day it is weather wise
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
So it's ok to modify a 767-200 wing to carry a plane 43% heavier than the original design, but it's not ok to modify a wing to correct a 3% discrepancy? Are you serious? The 147%/150% problem has already been fixed and approved. I've heard of the 'revolving door' between Boeing and the FAA, so maybe Airbus have one too. DC10? Turkish Airlines flight 981 & AA flight 96. Is all this fuss over the A380 intended to divert attention away from the 787's catalogue of faults and problems?
@architecturewithwalz9322 Жыл бұрын
The main reason I clicked to watch the video was to find out how the wings are joined to the fuselage. Sadly that's the trade secret the company doesn't want to reveal 😭
@slavasandsglam6 жыл бұрын
I dont understand why they shave the wing panel, they could order thinner paner from the very beginning? Or roll it. Does anybody knows why?
@paulshepherd82956 жыл бұрын
Slava ivanof it's because the panel will end up with some raised areas (ribs). It's quite normal to start with a block of metal that's just slightly thicker than the thickest part of the finished component, and then machine 90% of it away. Modern CNC machines are very fast, and very accurate. It also allows for fewer joints to worry about sealing - especially useful if the component in question forms part of a fuel tank (such as the upper and lower wing skins).
@stayinthemoment186 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see the fuel tank design in the wings.
@DC8Combi6 жыл бұрын
It’s not hard to see the internal wing tanks get a job in aviation stop assuming you know something you don’t
@cdimmm5 жыл бұрын
there may be some sort of internal tanks in those wings but i assure you they are not for holding any sort of liquid fuel let alone 69,000 gallons of it.
@The_McRib5 жыл бұрын
Actually most of the fuel is kept in the wings, the fuselage fuel tank is kept near the tailplane and is much smaller. Here's a drawing showing the locations of the fueltanks in the A380: i.stack.imgur.com/awzm6.jpg
@cdimmm5 жыл бұрын
and you really believe those wings are holding up all that weight?
@The_McRib5 жыл бұрын
The wings hold up the whole plane including the fuel when in flight anyway so I fail to see your point.
@Hapesky13 жыл бұрын
@Prasopchai to get the right shape, i think.
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
787 wings and centre wing box suffered delamination during load testing, which required modification and led to delays in flight testing. They've also suffered fuselage delamination issues, which required modification of manufacturing techniques. 'Teething trouble' - sound familiar? I've never claimed Airbus is perfect either, but if you're going to criticise one aircraft type, it might be worth checking first that 'your' aircraft hasn't suffered plenty of it's own problems. There's a big list.
@sallybugs16955 жыл бұрын
260000 liters of fuel in this tiny wings? Impossible
@Savage3905 жыл бұрын
Two it my take about 9000 gls is not more than
@madisonelectronic12 жыл бұрын
Wings are starting to crack.
@cathringustafsson24266 жыл бұрын
The wings do Not contain huge fuel tanks, but HELIUM. Watch it take off in slow speed.
@paulshepherd82956 жыл бұрын
Yes, they do contain huge quantities of fuel. The facts are out there if you want to find them, but I realise it doesn't suit your agenda.
The 380 was a white elephant from the day of its first flight.
@jaydenritchie19925 ай бұрын
that a big due cooker ey
@candon19724 жыл бұрын
Will the wing really take 120 tons of fuel?
@mgabrielle23434 жыл бұрын
I think they are flipping kidding us! How are you going to fit a whole petrol station inside a wing?
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
Rebuilding this wing? Not quite. On Airliners . net (where people actually know at least a bit about what they're talking about), the A380 wing rib crack issues are generally seen (by people on both sides of the Atlantic) as little more than an embarrassing problem, blown out of proportion, affecting non-flight critical components, that will be inspected and fixed when required.
@lihaoyang12 жыл бұрын
So the cracked wings came from this factory?
@michaelbodine61426 жыл бұрын
where are THE HUMANS? ? and CNC Q.C. guys?
@vile16985 жыл бұрын
2018
@donelle9876 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting. The music is extremely annoying!
@petercdowney9 жыл бұрын
So, the engines are supercharged, are they? Is that why the A380 burns more fuel than the 747-8?
@Mikishots8 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing....
@discoverjamestown6 жыл бұрын
Peter Downey how the hell can the wings of an Airbus hold swimming pools full of fluid and the weight of the engines and still take off? They can't jet engines work on compressed air and even the starters that you hear when they start the engine run on compressed air.
@ComeFlyWithMe20116 жыл бұрын
The supercharged bit is bullshit but haha, yeah no I can place bets that the a380 burns less fuel than the 747-8.
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised you favour US products over foreign ones. US and other foreign stuff gets it's fair share of criticism here.
@eproductions200813 жыл бұрын
@pvougi1 Just further proves getting baked relieves stress. Lol.
@CTFlyer713 жыл бұрын
@DeucesINC 32 000 components made by the lowest bidder :)
@Pushyhog5 жыл бұрын
Carbon fiber please.
@boydmanchester1405 жыл бұрын
Hanging over the assembly teams head. No hard hats any where ?
@FlyingFlip13 жыл бұрын
so... why were the wings baked? :S It doesnt actually say...
@captaincrunch81396 жыл бұрын
Phil Crossland ..cause ppl like them hot or mild
@SuperSetright6 жыл бұрын
De stressing of the aluminium panel.
@Max50ww6 жыл бұрын
The milling operation puts stress in the aluminum. Raising the temperature and holding it for a given length of time relieves these stresses. This process is called annealing. Too much stress in aluminum can cause cracks to form.......the same happens with people too I've found!
@kopynd15 жыл бұрын
must of cost a fortune to build the factory and machine and tool it out
@rolfmais85246 жыл бұрын
Supercharged engines? Is this a joke?
@tjp35311 жыл бұрын
Bullshit? So how many sets of 737 or 747 wings have been ultimate load tested? Both planes have significantly grown in MTO and MZFW, from their original -100 series versions, but Boeing didn't have to ultimate-load test a wing each & every time these weights were increased. They just modified and strengthened an existing design. Did Boeing ultimate load test a 767-400ER wing, or did they just modify and strengthen the original -200 wing? Can you find a 767-300 or -400 wing test report or video?
@Stevenowski4 жыл бұрын
ALumineeum!🤣
@gandanglily15 жыл бұрын
it's no secret process, I know how it's done!
@flemingcourt4 жыл бұрын
WE all do.
@highvoltagefeathers11 жыл бұрын
"Plus the four supercharged engines" SUPERCHARGED You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means
@The_McRib6 жыл бұрын
Supercharged just means that the driveshaft is connected to a compressor which forces air into the combustion chamber, so technically all jet engines are supercharged by design.
@sonnypruitt66394 жыл бұрын
Al you mini em
@nansh1485 жыл бұрын
NO camera looool ..because ...
@MelomaniaDJs4 жыл бұрын
No camera's please because theres no fuel tanks 🙄
@sotm60784 жыл бұрын
Where did you learn to pronounce Aluminum? Alu-min-um. You add an extra i.
@speedbird93133 жыл бұрын
Old post, but the british and american pronunciation of the word is really different from each other😉
@captaincrunch81396 жыл бұрын
At 0:37. I stop there how are the jet engines super charge???? 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😅😅 🤔🤔🤔🤔
@The_McRib6 жыл бұрын
Supercharged just means that the driveshaft is connected to a compressor which forces air into the combustion chamber, so technically they are supercharged by themselves.
@phillipquinley96847 жыл бұрын
couldn't help but noticed that they failed to mention the ribs in the wings that keep fracturing that Airbus hasn't fixed on the a380
@tjp3537 жыл бұрын
They have actually. The rib design has been changed to all-alloy ribs, with the intention of preventing these cracks from forming. Older aircraft, with the original cfc/alloy ribs, have had the affected rib feet repaired/replaced, using a different alloy that's less prone to cracking. They will be inspected periodically.
@captaincrunch81396 жыл бұрын
phillip quinley ..maybe you should go to a steakhouse its on the menu..bbq ribs and more
@captaincrunch81396 жыл бұрын
It takes weeks just to make a wing .jet engines cost millions and burn +% of fuel..i wounder how the airline makes $$$ when i can travel one way for $ 49.00 us including taxes and airport fees from east to west 1600 miles..while On $50.00 of gasoline i only get 300 miles in my truck hehehe
@gredangeo6 жыл бұрын
You're not the only one on the airplane now are you? A couple hundred passengers add up, likewise you and your truck with 5 people, gas is only $10 each. There are other flights that actually make the money, like overseas. Don't forget First Class air travel too. That is also the moneymaker. So you and your truck with 5 squeezed in the front, and the Bed in the back in modded to be like a mini room with a TV, and that guy is paying a dollar a Mile, suddenly It's cheap to travel. ;)
@JohnBoyDeere4 жыл бұрын
"Supercharged engines", really?
@dibaldgyfm99334 жыл бұрын
The Rolls-Royce/JAEC RJ500 was a 20,000 lbf (89 kN) civil turbofan which Rolls-Royce and the Japanese Aero Engine Corporation (JAEC) consortium hoped to develop for aircraft like the Boeing 737-300 and the McDonnell Douglas MD-80. A single stage fan, driven by a three-stage LP turbine, supercharged the 9 stage HP compressor, which was driven by 2 stage air-cooled HP turbine. (I found this on Wikipedia).
@CTFlyer713 жыл бұрын
@loudgonzo Oh relax dude it's a joke.
@johnnyfj1005 жыл бұрын
Interesting video but please do without the music, it is totally unnecessary.
@ExploringCabinsandMines12 жыл бұрын
@MrAluminox Wel I'm waiting..did I make your day again?