in a prop plane it was rudder and ailerons in opposite direction.

@@paulmorgan8254 what movie was that?

@@martmanana7269 no not a movie, a manoeuvre! You create huge drag, which slows you down in a hurry, causing an overshoot of the guy behind. You can then turn out, and go to guns immediately, whilst he is trying to turn to stay out of your guns. Though if he goes vertical, you’ve no energy and can’t get your nose up, and end up a sitting duck! It’s all or nothing, losing energy.

Unless you are in an English Electric lightning, you can sit on your engines, vertical or hit the afterburner, and beat him to 80,000ft or more.

@@sre331l And glide back to earth with an empty fuel tank.

War games between NATO allies were a brilliant idea. I recall reading how a Swedish sub figured out a way to get under a US aircraft carrier. It may be a bit embarrassing to learn there are shortcomings in your game plan but you are less likely to be surprised by Ivan.

@@carbidegrd1 better to be embarrassed than have a sunk carrier.... exactly!

Always good to learn and teach amongst people at the top of their game. Staying alive to do that just makes you better.

@@carbidegrd1 In the early days of the Vulcans they caused some real consternation for the USA because they were able to exploit their slight radar cross-section to sneak through weakspots in the US mainland defence radar coverage. As a result the Amercans were able to 'plug gaps' they hadn't known were there.

I don’t see people from the United States as foreigners. I am from the UK. M.

Agreed! Great interview, great guest. One of you best videos yet, Mike!

Double agreed!

Triple!

I clicked on it thinking, yeah, I'll watch a minute or two of this, then got completely engrossed in this man's brilliant recall of the fighting dynamics. Could listen to him all day.

@Graham Shawn Pro Trick: Bend well forward - shove your spamming where the sun don't shine.

As ex RN I cant believe the Crabs stood a round. :-)

@Alfred Churchill are you accusing me of stolen valor? What is the basis for your accusation?

@Alfred Churchill what do you mean by stolen valour?

@Alfred Churchill Dude, get off it. Don't accuse people of stolen valor unless it's crystal clear that they are talking out their ass and know nothing about their claimed profession in the military. I've had people accuse me of stolen valor as well as I'm ex-Army (Corp of Engineers) and I've never claimed to be anything else but a 51B (Carpentry and Masonry Specialist). So I always found it hilarious that someone would accuse a person of falsely claiming to be a glorified carpenter and ditch-digger. That being said, the rest of your post was fine.....just lay off on the stolen valor accusations. Preacher's post did not deserve that unless you have further evidence that he never served in the U.S. Airforce.

🤣... im laughing about raf buying the beers 🍻

Ten years ago now 111 Sqdn was disbanded. (Cameron probably needed the money for Greensill?)

My first atc summer camp was at Leuchars in 1990, i remember visiting 111

Holy crap, me too! Loved my Take Offs. Though my models were on a "runway" in the attic. Did you also get World Air Power Journal? All of both my sets are back in my parents house.

@@Biggles266 I drooled over World Air Power Journal when I was a kid. Sadly never got any copies since it was seriously expensive.

YUP, I WAS IN VF-84 at that time. Don't forget, the Forrestal (CV-59) also participated in this exercise too, they had CVW-6 with VF-11 and VF-31.

VF-84 Jolly *Rogers*

Just clicked on to have a look...and, yes MOP...I could listen to him all day too😯😯and risk the bollocking for not mowing the bloody lawn😜😜😜

The Tornado was designed as a bomber and converted to be an interceptor,was never intended for dogfighting !

@@aceyoful yes, the Tornado was always meant to be a striker/recon platform, going low and fast.

Yeah. When britts arrived to Poland with their F3 They were anihilated by Poles in MiG-21 Bis.

And? The F3 was designed to be an air defence aircraft. It's supposed to sit out over the North Sea for hours on end, shooting down Russian bombers, not engaging in dogfights with other aircraft.

Did Britain not have a maneuverable dog fighter? Was that supposed to be the Harrier?

Keep an eye out this Sunday!

The ravine story is humorous. Naysayers: “you can’t do that!” Pilot: First order of business is survival! ROFL.

Don't forget flying in the Scottish Highlands. Arguably even more rugged than Wales. Used to see the RAF and USAF exercising all the time when I was out in the mountains, during the last Cold War. I'd be amazed if they weren't pulling clumps of Heather out of various parts of the airframes, after every sortie. They were that low, and fast.

I agree. That description was absolute awesomeness. But it also demonstrated some of the over-confidence of the USAF pilots. Against Russian or Chinese SU-30 pilots that swaggerness would disappear REAL quick. The only plane in the USAF inventory capable of dealing with high angle of attack opponents is the F-22 and maybe the F-16. I'm still in disbelief that the DoD didn't cancel the F-35 project as it doesn't stand a chance in the merge against advanced Russian fighters with radars modes that can be specifically tuned to detect stealth fighters. Their IR detection systems coupled with off-boresight helmet mounted targeting systems alone make them F-35 killers. The Russians have also poured heavy investment into upgrading their old Mig-31 foxhounds which covers their long range capability. In contrast, the U.S. military totally stopped the development of their long range air to air missiles while the Russians invested heavily in that technology. Now the tables have turned. At one time the Soviet Union was all about quantity over quality. Now the U.S. military and NATO is all about quantity over quality while Russia has shifted to quality over quantity out of necessity as nations along their borders join NATO. We literally have them surrounded and constantly try to cut off their oil and natural gas routes to Europe. It's just stupid. If Russia did that to America or sent troops to Mexico (as we have troops in Ukraine) we would have already declared war on them.

@@wigon America has lost it's way. We will need a good kick in the pant to get on track. The f-35 is really loud. twice as loud as the f-16.

@@wigon If you think you are going to “kill” an F-35 by just outmaneuvering it, you’re going to be disappointed. It’s like bragging you’re the best knife fighter when you’re going up against a guy with a gun. People keep forgetting that the F-35 has advanced sensors of its own. The pilot can literally see through the plane. Not saying the F-35 is invincible, but the people who keep trying to put it down always seem to ignore its full range of capabilities.

@@Shadowfax-1980 In BVR combat, you'd be correct, but notice I said "in the merge". Plain and simple, the F-35 is not a high-angle of attack aircraft. It doesn't matter how many sensors it has. Unless the short-range missiles it carries are capable of extreme off-boresight, high-G maneuverability, it will get shot to pieces by any of the latest Sukhoi fighters. It's strength is not in dog-fighting but in BVR combat where it is also difficult to detect on radar. Against Russian and Chinese stealth fighters however, it will likely boil down to short-range engagements. It's why I've always contended that the F-35 was a gigantic waste of money.

@@ethanroberts4672 Sadly, if we started to lose against Russia or China in a conventional war, we'd likely resort to nuclear weapons and vice-versa. It's why we need to hope that our politicians are not stupid enough to get us involved in any military conflict with Russia and China unless we develop treaties that state that we will NOT use nuclear weapons on each other unless our countries are directly invaded.

Were they still using the red cassete types when you were working on them?

Cheers and glad you enjoyed it.

Hi James, he seems to be describing the F3's disabilities. I wonder how they would have managed against the best the USSR had to offer at the time. Also wonder why we didn't buy from the Americans and/or licence produce the F15. Far superior to the Tornado in every respect and still being produced today. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, unlike our tendency back then to stay within Europe. The anglosphere has always been our natural safe space. We are far stronger when working together.

@@gusgone4527 why the fuck would we want the f15 to replace the nado? they were made for different purposes.

Exactly! I’ll have to refer back and see if Roy was a tactics instructor ever, if so he must have been brilliant!

@@Mors_Inimicis He was a QWI (Qualified Weapons Instructor) on the F3

......however, I wouldn't put my life in the hands of John Oliver.....

Absolutely - Top bloke, fascinating account. That said, what he said about F3 engines being de-tuned! JFC our politicians are absolute sh1ts. Probably the same grovellers who sent the army to Afghanistan with thinskinned transport. They truly are bloody murderers.

Tornado Fighter version was a true POS...

The F2 was a POS. The F3 served its purpose - an interceptor with effective weapons systems on a relatively economical platform. It's obviously no F15 or F16 but it was no POS either.

@@CH-pv2rz The fighter-bomber variants of the Tornado were definitely not a POS. They excelled at low-altitude penetration of enemy territory. Many were shot down during the first Gulf War (mostly by AAA guns) doing anti-runway missions (often during daylight), but they later rectified this weakness by developing stand-off submunition dispensers. Granted it is an old design that needed to be replaced but it was far from being a POS fighter. The old RAF Jaguar was in comparison a much crappier fighter-bomber. Sadly the older Buccaneer was a superb fighter-bomber with excellent low-level flying capability and probably should have been upgraded and kept on. But I think today, the UK's goal is for a true multi-role fighter-bomber that does everything well. That makes sense given the UK's tight military budget requirements. I'm honestly surprised that they bought the F-35 as the Eurofighter is excellent. But I expect them to use the F-35 more as an interceptor and not as a dogfighter. The F-35 will also serve well against 3rd world countries with antiquated radar systems.

@@rolanddutton4723 The Tornado was broke down more than it ever flew so yes a POS.........

As a kid I was always fascinated with flight and the history of aviation, i remember in junior school drawing from photos and tech plans in various books of the modern jets, I think the Tornado was the second one I drew after the F-111 (all in pencil). My career path was elsewhere but a number of schoolmates and some just above/below my year worked at BAe Brough circa mid 80s on, one girl I knew worked on the admin side of the engineering (until 2012) but it was sad to hear how things were run there generally and standards had dropped. I know one lad down my old street still works there as an engineer in some role or another, must have been there almost 35 years.

The Tornado would probably be more like a WWII Hawker Typhoon, Beaufighter, or even the Mosquito. The very former was originally designed as a replacement inceptor for the Hawker Hurricane but ended up shining as a ground-attack platform. The Tornado went the other around.

Glad you enjoyed it.

Probably durability, and fuel economy. These were seriously thirsty turbojets.

Turn rate and radius will always be relative to the fighter they’re flying against. When the F-16 becomes a great radius fighter, you know the one it’s up against has a large radius.

Glad you enjoyed it, Chris.

@@Aircrewinterview - always a pleasure to watch :) Plus I must add it would be nice to track down, name and shame the 30 former RAF pilots training the PLA to shoot down western planes for £250k

Thank you for the kind words, Jack.

I have to think that the F-14 pilot and RIO were going, "is he pulling a Maverick on us????"

Problem is, you leave yourself in a near zero energy state, and if your opponent is awake, he'll do just what he did, lol...and you, sir, are a grape. :)

@@preacherF-15 Truth is, the Tomcat pilot could have gone to guns on him given the distance and tore his arse apart! LOL!

Life imitating art! But what a shame the F14 crew had also seen the film. Quite funny when you think of it.

"I'll hit the brakes, he'll fly right by!" 😂

Great to hear you enjoyed it.

Cheers!

Great to hear you enjoyed it.

Great to hear you enjoyed it.

Cheers Matty.

Glad you enjoyed it!