Ajātivāda: No Birth, No Change, No Death

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A woman asks for clarity on the concept of ajātivāda, which is said to be the highest non-dual understanding. How does this idea - that nothing exists, not even an appearance of the world - fit in with non-duality and the Pathless Path?
Rupert says: ‘Ajātivāda is an attempt to describe reality from the point of view of infinite consciousness. From the point of view of the finite mind, we see a multiplicity and diversity of objects. But prior to its apparent localization of itself as a finite mind, infinite consciousness cannot know any creation. We cannot be something and know it at the same time. So, we say consciousness is the reality of this multiplicity and diversity, but it does not know it. Infinite consciousness is the universe, but the finite mind knows the universe.
‘You can experience this every time you ask yourself a question such as, “Who am I really?”. Trace your way back through all the layers of experience until you arrive at your experience of your self prior to experience. That recognition of your own being - where there is no thought, perception, time or space - is infinite consciousness’s knowledge of itself. I’m not talking about an experience that some remote, infinite consciousness knows but the experience that shines at the very heart of your self. Your knowledge of your self is infinite consciousness’s knowledge of itself, prior to experience.’
*This video is from one of Rupert’s in-person retreats at The Vedanta, 11-18 November 2023. For more information on upcoming retreats (many of which can be attended online via livestream) go to:
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Timestamps:
0:00 Ajātivāda
1:30 Consciousness’s Experience of Itself
2:29 The Finite Mind
3:18 Who Am I?
4:16 Your Experience of Your Self
5:40 Self-Enquiry
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@corinbryant 5 күн бұрын

The synchronicity of this is SPOOKY - I was doing my usual meditation but then realised that I was just being an ego that was meditating, then realised I was watching the ego meditating, then realised if I can watch the ego meditate I can withdraw my attention away from the ego in the same way I withdraw attention from the body, mind and world, and in that moment everything ceased and there was Nothing.

@luciiza_2116 5 күн бұрын

Not to be an asshole, you "you" cannot withdraw "your" attention away from those things. It happens automatically

@allonszenfantsjones 5 күн бұрын

Well I think that's why they call them glimpses. It's kind of a zero-sum game when you can't use words to describe something that you can't describe 🤪 check out Tim Cliss, he is so resolute about this very conundrum. Plus I think if you don't have a sense of humor about it you're really doomed to suffer.

@chitrapolansky 5 күн бұрын

when you get liberated there wont be nothing..there will be You..

@31TL22 5 күн бұрын

Buddhist - Shunyavada - Emptiness Advaita Vedanta - Purnavada - Fullness Both express: No-Thing (not nothing) 🙏💖

@Marwan-Elected-for-Brutality 4 күн бұрын

That's child's play. When I for the very first time meditated (by observing my thoughts and letting them come and go) for just like 8 minutes I entered another dimension which would last over 1 year. Nothing is not a thing. You mean God. Not only is God the Witness of your experience and all things, God is your very direct experience, your very visual field, God just IS. I have submitted myself to God and His Will so much, and I have got trained so intensively and immensely in consciousness, it's almost like God can do miracles through me soon. I am elected, for spiritual brutality. I am Moses and King Solomon.

@EhHold 5 күн бұрын

I had surgery recently and was given an IV anesthesia. I fell asleep and the level of peace during the procedure was astounding. I was left wondering if that peace is what I really am, unveiled.

@aprilkitten 59 минут бұрын

What a perfectly brilliant explanation. Rupert sure has this mastered. I hope someday I can get a least halfway there.

@valuemastery 5 күн бұрын

That was an amazing explanation, Rupert. It does not only help me think in terms of concepts of reality, but actually leads me to the core of it. Thank you!

@hemamalinirs1002 5 күн бұрын

Beautiful, thank you so much Rupert , lots of love and immense gratitude ❤🙏🙏

@samc6231 5 күн бұрын

Understanding is beyond the mind, and Ajativada is the reason.

@kjelle3133 2 күн бұрын

I lie down in the shallow waters of my being, the warm wave of the existent embodied and embodying. I rest in a sea of marvel. I live through the hearts of my own emanations. I, alone, am. Never less than every one, never less than every thing, never any of these ‘ones’. Not even one. Pure unity.

@KriRama 5 күн бұрын

Rupert your explanations are so beautifully stated. 🥰🥰

@kjelle3133 2 күн бұрын

Ajata is the ultimate and final ‘destination’. The destination of ‘no destination’ ! I am at peace. Even my inner turmoil is a joyful spring of experiencing. How can this be ?

@rikshaka 5 күн бұрын

It's spelled AJĀTAVĀDA, that is, the third vowel is an "a" not an "I" - as Rupert and his guest correctly pronounce the word throughout the video. Of course, there are no capital letters in Sanskrit, so it's ajātavāda.

@latehare111 4 күн бұрын

After years of studying and practicing this I finally get it, but you have to stop thinking about it , not listen to videos , or read about it for a couple of months and then go back to it, for it to click, does that make sense to anyone else?

@annakarl9989 5 күн бұрын

Thank you 💞🕊️

@levlevin182 5 күн бұрын

Justice is Just being.

@cliffordjohnson943 5 күн бұрын

Existence and awareness is ALL That is, the experience is real but it’s an illusion within its self, within Spirit. Consciousness is the infinite eternal part of everything.

@TheAmbamatamantrasvideos 5 күн бұрын

The experiencing is not real, we only féél it ás real. But what is real never changes. Experience changes continuously 😊

@Green-Dragon206 5 күн бұрын

There is an underlying reality to this existence of which we are but a mere appearance within it. So many are mistaken in thinking that they are the underlying reality in which they have appeared.

@malabuha 5 күн бұрын

I watched a little kid seeing his reflection in the mirror for the first time. He thought he was seeing another kid right behind this glass surface, so he leaned sideways over the wall to check but the kid wasn't there. The same thing is happening here, we're just trying to make sense of our experience,. All this nonsense 😂

@31TL22 5 күн бұрын

Buddhist - Shunyavada - Emptiness Advaita Vedanta - Purnavada Fullness Both express: No-Thing (not nothing)

@qigonglove1240 5 күн бұрын

Lord have mercy on me. This man gives me bad shivers

@jfrah8078 5 күн бұрын

Yeah, every spiritual teaching does that to the ego at first.

@kimulm0619 3 күн бұрын

Rupert how do you know that infinite consciousness can't know itself and be itself?

@ThomasRuf-dc3lx 5 күн бұрын

Movie started with 2star eyed cara delavine, it was only a pre view..

@TheLeoPoint 5 күн бұрын

Ajatiwada Above/untouched/non movable non affected by "Time-space matter" is consciousness/knowledge/being The one who knowing, experiencing all , it will be different(knower) For instance I have mobile phone 📱 I who knows it means I'm not phone I'm diffrent from it(any obj,things) If any matter exists then it must have been built at some "Time" And it will be situated in some "space/base/location" And it ll be "End" oneday to it's origin matter for instance house built on specific date/day/yy (time),on land/region(space) bricks cement etc (matter) but this is all called "process" hence we feel this way I'll b born I'll b grow I'll b die but if we look at wide perspective thers hasn't born or die anything ,it's feel like one due to the process / sequence but the one who experienced all this process is different/untouchables/eternal/ immortal/ from time space matter it hasn't comes or go anywhere ,Except consciousness everything else comes under time space matter incl body... ✌🏻

@shinji5967 5 күн бұрын

Well what do ya know❤

@klbat41 3 күн бұрын

RUPERT, WHERE DO U LIVE?

@chitrapolansky 5 күн бұрын

there is literally no universe in ajata/liberation...all there is is You..now you have to figure out what that You is..ajata vada is beyond *open space* there is no open or closed space..*

@user-ld9sl9ko7g 5 күн бұрын

Limited mind does not have any memory of deep sleep, but how does that imply that the universal consciousness itself does not know the physical universe in absence of limited mind?

@karlb.Am.I 5 күн бұрын

In human form it can be appreciated

@dalialik8376 5 күн бұрын

What memory you might have in deep sleep, nothing is there. Deep sleep is absence of limited mind and physical universe. Universal consciousness cannot directly know Creation, just as your mind cannot directly know a dream, your mind creates a dream character through which it can see the dream world.

@user-ld9sl9ko7g 5 күн бұрын

@@karlb.Am.I sure, but why superimpose a limited mind’s limitations on the infinite?

@user-ld9sl9ko7g 5 күн бұрын

@@dalialik8376 Mind does directly know the dream world, because the character in the dream that the mind creates is also just a part of the same dream. However, mind is just deluded in believing the dream world to be real and believes itself to be the character that it sees in the dream world. Nevertheless, it’s still the mind that sees the entire dream directly, regardless of it’s delusion. Anyway, this analogy does not represent the subject accurately, because surely, finite mind’s limitations cannot be applied to the infinite?

@dalialik8376 5 күн бұрын

@@user-ld9sl9ko7gthe mind cannot know itself directly, it is impossible, any more than your eyes can see itself directly. So the dream analogy is very accurate, the dream character believes the dream is real until you wake up in the morning and realize it was just a dream. We believe that we are separate entities living in the physical universe until we awaken.

@Rohit-oz1or 5 күн бұрын

One can hypnotize oneself into thinking anything but nothing changes the reality of the world i.e. one is born to die. The clock starts ticking when one enters this world. Everything is just escape from this fundamental reality

@TheAmbamatamantrasvideos 5 күн бұрын

You seeing the world is your hypnotizing mind which disappears in deep dreamless sleep with world and all, you included.. where has that reality of that world gone? 😊

@Rohit-oz1or 5 күн бұрын

@@TheAmbamatamantrasvideos world doesn't disappear in dreamless sleep- just its sensation does. Even in sleep, pain is felt when one gets hit

@TheAmbamatamantrasvideos 5 күн бұрын

@@Rohit-oz1or no, sorry. Pain is not felt in sleep or dream, not even in daily life, because body is inert. Pain can be in consiousness only. But once you realize there exists no body there is no pain even when accident takes place. I had a severe accident and my leg almost cut off. No pain no medication needed because my consiousness was empty of forms. Only thing left is Awareness. 😊 be blessed.

@Rohit-oz1or 5 күн бұрын

@@TheAmbamatamantrasvideos I can't verify your claim of having accident and no pain after your leg cutoff. Even if that is so, it is no more than self hypnosis. What use is this self hypnosis- just to feel good while physical reality is something else.

@TheAmbamatamantrasvideos 5 күн бұрын

@@Rohit-oz1or you are afraid to let go illusion. You as person, are ilusion so you are attached to your mind. I prefer freedom 💖

@EnergiCodes 5 күн бұрын

It doesn't sound like good news to me. You go back to consciousness that doesnt known itself. Sounds like a nice way of saying death of the body is death of knowing yourself?

@PersisP Күн бұрын

being yourself. Just like being selfconcious isn't always pleasant and puts you in your head, looking at yourself (and often judging). Just being present, even when there are no objects to be present off. The moments you feel most alive are the ones you just are

@EnergiCodes Күн бұрын

@@PersisP I like that very true. Reminds me of the time I lost myself just looking at the leaves fall off a tree

@kimulm0619 3 күн бұрын

Im not so sure about all this.Being honest.

@ThomasRuf-dc3lx 5 күн бұрын

Potter said in preview, unfassbarvwie die zeit vergeht,,, weil jemand auf letzen kommentar wartet

@ThomasRuf-dc3lx 5 күн бұрын

Violett face forvher,bmore true inbreal sense

@user-lq2no2nk6b 4 күн бұрын

There is no self prior to experience duh

@ThomasRuf-dc3lx 5 күн бұрын

In einem ferrai 62er startet der golm nicht.

@T_from_U 5 күн бұрын

😶‍🌫

@pilargarcia6724 5 күн бұрын

🙏🤍

@Devdevbruh 5 күн бұрын

2:55 makes no sense.

@geneedgerton4482 5 күн бұрын

I really had to think about this statement, too: You cannot BE yourself and KNOW it. Then I realized that no one can understand this because the mind has no mechanisms to understand this. I had to go inside and experience it (not comprehend it) to see that the statement is true. I believe Rupert is referring to if ‘God’ is all being, then he cannot know himself. ‘God’ can only know the world (and himself) through the illusion of separate selves. Confusing, too, but I get it if I experience it, not when I try to comprehend it.

@klbat41 3 күн бұрын

RUPERT, DO U BELIEVE IN NPC'S ?

@mikejohn2307 5 күн бұрын

This isn't awakening. Believing in no birth and no death must be the ultimate in self delusion*. * (Definition. "a false belief or judgment about external reality, held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, occurring especially in mental conditions".

@kevinhenry68 5 күн бұрын

If i may, I believe he is saying that we are eternal (spiritual) beings that were not born and will not die. The bodies we inhabit in order to experience this physical material reality are what "are born and die," but we are not those physical things. Just like we are not the avatar that we play in a video game. We do not die when the avatar dies. We simply choose another avatar and go on.

@allonszenfantsjones 5 күн бұрын

Maybe you could think of it like birth = when your specific timeline begins and the finite world begins to exert conditions. But even under that paradigm, existence is illusory because you have no way of remembering the actual point of its beginning nor do you have control over it. Same thing with death.

@mikejohn2307 5 күн бұрын

@@kevinhenry68 Kevin, thanks for your reply. I understand what you mean but I don't think there is any way of knowing. I believe a working brain is necessary to experience consciousness and this experience ceases when the brain stops. The actual consciousness may be universal but my experience of it is individual.

@jfrah8078 5 күн бұрын

@@mikejohn2307, we can see the universal consciousness as a an ocean and our bodies are the waves that individualy comes and go at the surface.

@chiptowers1 4 күн бұрын

What! quote; " infinite consciousness" " experience of itself" " is", this teacher hasn't a clue. There is no such thing as infinite consciousness and if there was, then what is its faculty. Like the human has the physical brain as the faculty for mind and consciousness and all of that is derived from a Source Form which implemented mind ,consciousness only as a tool of use. Even Ajativada belief that the ABSOLUTE is not subject to birth, change and death. The Absolute is Aja the UNBORN which is all nonsense because the ABSOLUTE is not explained nor how Aja is the UNBORN. Ajativada beliefs has missed the boat. Basically you your lineage inception was FORMED not BORN. That what FORMED is the ABSOLUTE of Ajativada but that what FORMED is known because that FORMED SOURCE derived from and manifested from the elements of the Universe and transcended to then have a symbiotic relationship with Biology to give rise to the intelligent species. You will never arrive at Experience of yourself nor prior to experience unless you have the understanding of the knowledge how your lineage FORM inception derived. There is no empty void of yourself because your FORM iteration function operates 24/7 for it's purpose of survival and evolve it's host the physical body and brain, how do you think you lineage has come thus far, definitely not by consciousness. You bet your Source Form is conscious of death, so allow it to enlighten you of it's Presence.