Understanding Is Beyond the Mind

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It may not always seem clear that there is a difference between understanding non-duality and the experience of it. Exploring this, a woman wants to know why, as soon as she thinks about an experience of oneness - such as peace, love or beauty - her mind creates a sense of separation or duality. What can she do to get past this?
Rupert says: ‘When you try to interpret an experience and make sense of it, the mind tries to formulate what took place, and in doing so, superimposes its own limitations on the experience. It conceives of it in subject-object relationship, and the experience then seems to disappear.
‘But you don’t have to get beyond your mind’s interpretation, because your experience is already true. Peace, beauty and love are all true experiences. All that’s necessary is to stay with your experience, and only formulate it if required by the circumstances.’
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Timestamps:
0:00 Experiencing Oneness
1:07 Duality
1:54 Understanding Non-Duality
2:50 The Subject-Object Relationship
3:58 Limitations of the Mind
5:49 Understanding Is Beyond the Mind
7:14 A Taste of Our True Nature
9:37 Abandoning the Question and Answer
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@alsindtube 4 күн бұрын

I’ve been discovering this more and more lately, that thoughts don’t create knowing or being, they come after this experience as a way of trying to explain it to ourselves. I’ve been able to catch myself doing this somewhat, while also trying not to grasp onto it, letting the intuition come and wash through me without analyzing it. I’ve also noticed that the more I let go of what kind of experience I want or expect to have, the easier it seems to arise in me.

@Fastinsilence 4 күн бұрын

What is being searched for is the feel of the microphone in her hand, the mundane is no less, it IS the walk in nature or the eyes of the dog, the living truth, ground zero is presence, not a fixed idea of the mind, its like we search for the living source in still reflection.

@elisabethk7103 2 күн бұрын

❤🙏🌈wonderfull, thank you🌈🙏❤️

@zoltanb1221 4 күн бұрын

The nice lady wants to move ahead and progress in her experience. I'd say she needs to repeat this loving/understanding experience not only with her dog, but with other people, this way she can learn and broaden her experience further, and also learn about her own limitations. There is a big difference if you experience something with a lower life form or with a higher, more evolved being.

@siewkonsum7291 5 күн бұрын

Rupert Spira 🙏 Understanding is not possible in (Self) Awareness itself which is actually One's True (Self) Nature which neither thinks nor not thinks. 'Trying to understand' - is trying to think or conceptualize a perception or conception by mind; Which will cause thoughts to arise and becomes thinking which has no permanent nature in it. Thoughts randomly arise - appear & disappear. The attempt to understand what the mind thinks is futile because it is a 'circular' activity arises from nothing; Hence it is impossible to use thoughts to understand thoughts arising in or from One's mind. 😊🙏🙇‍♂️🌷

@Pallasathena-hv4kp 5 күн бұрын

Great answer!! Helpful 😊

@tejarex 4 күн бұрын

For me, an excellent question.

@mimisapphire8329 4 күн бұрын

"What is happiness? It's the moment before you need more happiness" - Don Draper.

@niloc1414 4 күн бұрын

Before the non-dual understanding

@deborahhebblethwaite1865 3 күн бұрын

Too many minds….no mind….quote from The Last Samurai

@NavodiLuwisHewa 4 күн бұрын

Great answer.Realization is beyond the mind. When we are free from the thoughts /mind, then only the heart is opened.

@Green-Dragon206 4 күн бұрын

Fortunately we don't come in bits and pieces. We need all the bits and pieces in order to function. Consciousness directs the heart and the mind, and for what the heart and the mind perceives, so does consciousness perceive.

@niloc1414 4 күн бұрын

@@Green-Dragon206 Before the nondual understanding

@BlondeManNoName 5 күн бұрын

_"The whole Vedanta is contained in the two Biblical statements:_ _“I am that I AM” and “Be still and know that I am God.”_ ~ *Ramana Maharshi*

@mauricepowers3804 4 күн бұрын

I am that, I am.

@SarahDale111 4 күн бұрын

I am _that_ I am.

@SpoofyBlonde 4 күн бұрын

I AM that

@Green-Dragon206 4 күн бұрын

What you don't know, you think you know. What you think you know, you don't know. What others don't know, others think others know. What others think others know, others don't know.

@ayeam5822 4 күн бұрын

YOU, are not the TEACHER, YOU are not the TAUGHT. YOU are, the TEACHING.

@chadhumes1684 4 күн бұрын

If you need to read out loud your direct experience- it’s mind -

@alfreddifeo9642 3 күн бұрын

🙏

@SSharma-fj8vd 5 күн бұрын

❤❤

@mimisapphire8329 4 күн бұрын

I rather ike Candice Rinpoches's approach/ practice. She says to take short moments (of awareness, consciousness, whatever) many times, and eventually it becomes continuous. Basically, whenever you remember, even if for a split second, take a short moment. She doesn't really entertain these type of questions much, just tells people not to worry about it, just show up, just take short moments. It works!

@michaelsimonson44 Күн бұрын

What if the term ‘understanding’ here refers to knowing/knowingness/awareness? The term ‘understanding’ can have different meanings at different levels. There seems to be a meaning for ‘understanding’ that fits within the world of duality (that requires a dualistic mindset), as well as one that fits with the experience/knowing of Oneness.

@HiluT 4 күн бұрын

❤

@Sananda_Ishwyana 5 күн бұрын

Yes, I agree with the false symbol concepts of the mind, however. Consciousness awareness simply breathing in this density and looking around you. Everything that appears is a flowing symbol of awareness. Because this is a harmony. It’s a harmonic universe.

@spiritlightpajic7299 4 күн бұрын

🤍 Thank You for Sharing Rupert🌅When we Live Consciously FROM The Awareness of our🤍Space There lS Rightful Understanding and Rightful Action follows so that conceptual sense mind Become instrument of The 🤍or The Living SPIRIT 🫥Within🙏

@HemPat56 5 күн бұрын

Wonderful explanation to the invalidity of a long held belief :-)

@Perujay-dl2bs 4 күн бұрын

When ignorance comes to the place of Intelligence, It will discover and laugh that there was no ignorance.

@Perujay-dl2bs 4 күн бұрын

In a snap of a finger, sleeping happens. Likewise, awakening just happens in a snap of a finger, NOT in the future but now.

@qigonglove1240 2 күн бұрын

Never "" call-"me'" on the "stage" again. I want my life back. If you understood your true nature, no one would of got hurt with greed.

@caballerodeneon 4 күн бұрын

appearances , distortions , a world , a mind , a man .... a Tone Poem .

@joajoajb 4 күн бұрын

No, it's not like that at all. Both the understanding and the laughter are a phenomenon that is completely dependent on the individual understanding the language in which the joke was told. If the joke is told in a language, the individual doesn't know, then, no understanding phenomenon can take place to be followed by a burst of laughter. It's all a completely dependent phenomenon. Have someone tell a few jokes to Rupert in Chinese and see how that goes. No understanding of the jokes will ever take place, nor bursting into laughter. It's a dependent phenomenon. No need to make so many claims, so carelessly in the name of care. "I really don't know ", would've been just fine on many occasions ,including this one. It may not help the book and retreat sales, but, honestly, it would've been really fine.

@BlondeManNoName 4 күн бұрын

Dear different aspect of the Creator, why do you often start your words with negation? Is it merely a critique of Rupert and his method?

@joajoajb 4 күн бұрын

@@BlondeManNoName ???? Not sure what your understanding is. If you'd like to share your own understanding , a disagreement or any negation , please do. You take good care of yourself!

@drawingwithsound8022 4 күн бұрын

@@joajoajbI think you missed the point here. I thought that was very well said. He is comparing her scenario with a different ones. Both the math and the hearing of the joke. You are saying the language barrier. But let’s say she is already equipped with the “language” to understand the joke. Same with the ability to working out the math. It takes time to learn both these things. She had enough of an experiences, to understand “that moment” she just had, maybe she is still unsure about. And so she is looking for the clarification

@joajoajb 4 күн бұрын

@@drawingwithsound8022 I'm afraid, you have mistaken for something else. Rupert was claming that ,the understanding of the joke takes place beyond the individual or mind. There's no understanding of the joke to take place, beyond the individual or mind that is conditioned to understand the language, in which, the joke is made. Both the understanding and the laughter are completely dependent on the individual mind understanding the language. Understanding the joke is not an independent phenomenon. Both the understanding and the laughter are a phenomenon, that can only take place, completely dependent on the individual and the language , of which the individual happens to understand. Not beyond, but, dependent. You take good care of yourself!

@drawingwithsound8022 4 күн бұрын

@@joajoajb had to rewatched the video again. And I don’t see he claimed anything like that. He made a comparison, and it’s easier to understand. He said you can only understand the joke after you hear the punchline. Not sure where the “beyond” is from. Or what point you are making. But I would like to learn more. Ahh. Just had a closer look. It is in the title. My bad. Still. That is not about the comparison of the hearing the joke. The title is for the well, I’d lying if I understand. But I sure it is related somehow

@Austination316 5 күн бұрын

“Guys I’m just not able to see everyone else the same as me, because the one that is aware of my experience and others experience is Formless, shapeless, dimensionless, and that makes me think that the one that IS, is non-existent and how could I feel love for/or even bother about something that is non-existent?” - Me, Mind

@RandolphCarterAlhazred 4 күн бұрын

I agree with you. I think though that it is 'nothing', not 'non-existent'. The one that is aware is not 'nothing'. consciousness is not 'nothing'. consciousness is material. It goes away when you are given general anaesthesia. We don't need to live our lives according to scientific or spiritual truths. It's Hume's razor. To love is an act which comes from freedom, not according to our private knowledge of the nature of consciousness. Whatever is already is and will be. Knowledge does not change shit. We are free de facto from the authority of knowledge so to speak, if not de jure.

@Green-Dragon206 4 күн бұрын

@@RandolphCarterAlhazred I would say that our freedom comes from the knowing of ourselves, and that consciousness cannot be viewed as being separate from that knowing.

@RandolphCarterAlhazred 4 күн бұрын

@@Green-Dragon206 It may be so and a path that could be taken and if it is so one will find out. However Sir, please be careful of the way we use language itself, it is fraught with inaccuracy.

@Aed516 4 күн бұрын

All praise and glory is to God, Who breathed His Spirit into man (the soul), then He Commanded the angels and the jinns (spirits) to bow down with their face down to the ground in respect for him, none are worthy of worship except God nor does anyone or anything has the right of being worshipped except God, I bear witness that the mighty spirit risked her life and put it on the line in order to save me (because of Love), God Witnessed me and the spirit destroy possibly one of the most powerful demons in all of existence, I testify and bear witness that there is no god or divinity but God, God is the King and Protector and Lord and Light and Ruler and Controller and Father and Creator of the heavens and the earth and everything in them! None are the same as you, your ego can never Truly Love a human, only the soul (which exists, which is within you) can Truly Love. Being Formless doesn't mean that the One Who is Formless is not, God IS and is totally Formless at the same time, Formlessness IS. God is ofc aware of your experience, but is much deeper than experience or being experience, I don't know what to say,,,,,,,,,,,,, God IS and God is Alive.

@larianton1008 4 күн бұрын

I actually think Rubert is wrong in this one. Understanding is a function of the mind, but experience is not. Insight is a restructuring of mind from experience, but experience is not the same as the restructuring.

@glenmartin9068 4 күн бұрын

“Understanding is the silence between two thoughts,” Rupert.

@larianton1008 4 күн бұрын

@@glenmartin9068 Yeah, but that doesnt make it not mind. You can move your arms and legs without thought, does that make them beoynd mind? I douot it. Understanding is deeply tied to what the mind does, not what consciousness is. Consciousness is the one who witnesses the understanding that the mind has. If you go to mountains and experience sun rise for the first time, you life is stransformed, and your brain restructures. But we dont say that you had an insight of sun rise. Sun rise was the ecperience that triggered the restructuring of your mind.

@megiMove 3 күн бұрын

Understanding is of the heart. It's pretty obvious. Then the mind takes over as it believes it was the source of understanding.

@larianton1008 3 күн бұрын

@@megiMove you seem to be quite an expert on the matter! Please, dont hold us in suspence, enlighten us with your widsom. What do you mean by understanding? Is mind not needed? That is, for example, can I learn a language without the mind?

@RoyalLegalSolutions 3 күн бұрын

You cant really understand this teaching without doing the embodiment practices, which is the actual experience. If you do that, then you'll see that all the words and ways of talking about it are lies. Useful lies to help us get to the actual experience, which is the whole point Don't get trapped in the lies

@ayeam5822 4 күн бұрын

You are NOT the HAND, nor the PEN. YOU are NOT the PAPER. YOU are, the INSPIRATION.............The MUSE.

@songwritersvillage4538 4 күн бұрын

Awareness witnesses understanding, mind does the understanding. Understanding involves cognition, a function of the mind. Consciousness is empty. Rupert isn’t accurate here.

@Green-Dragon206 4 күн бұрын

To me consciousness is not empty. Without knowing that one is aware, one cannot be aware. So there is no awareness without knowing. So the one who knows is the one who is conscious.