How to Vacuum Bag Carbon Fiber

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AJ Hartman Aero

AJ Hartman Aero

3 жыл бұрын

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@surffeen
@surffeen 2 ай бұрын
Great info thanks for putting this out there. One thing to think about is epoxy manufacturers usually put a ratio by volume, densities of hardener and epoxy can vary so make sure you also get the ratio by weight. In example, the epoxy I use is 2:1 by volume and 2:.88 by weight.
@armenvegas
@armenvegas Жыл бұрын
Thanks man your vids are very easy to follow along with.
@markkraus3598
@markkraus3598 2 жыл бұрын
You have some good videos, glad i came across you !
@NimblyJimbly
@NimblyJimbly Жыл бұрын
Love your videos man. Just found your channel a couple of days ago and I’m working my way through them. So good. Thanks for putting this content out!
@JeremyMichaelJordanDIY
@JeremyMichaelJordanDIY 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid like always man
@boradurmus9643
@boradurmus9643 Жыл бұрын
instructions are very clear mate thx
@ngendohhansndagha6738
@ngendohhansndagha6738 6 ай бұрын
Great and explicit, thanks do much 👍. It's really cool
@tikitime
@tikitime 2 ай бұрын
great stuff here. subscribed!
@simonac688.
@simonac688. Жыл бұрын
Great Demo thank you 👍
@fetusness
@fetusness 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you brotha! 🙏
@dredre9484
@dredre9484 8 күн бұрын
Cheers very informative
@meroocars4005
@meroocars4005 2 жыл бұрын
Good job awesome 👏🏻
@naturalmystics-kd9vt
@naturalmystics-kd9vt 2 жыл бұрын
Good hearted teacher
@djsavage2421
@djsavage2421 Жыл бұрын
What I love the most is how he explains it explicitly and doesn’t rush he does it step-by-step so that you can replicate the process exactly the way that he’s doing it and get the same results
@surffeen
@surffeen 2 ай бұрын
Awesome info! Remember most epoxy systems use volume for ratios. Weight is slightly different so for the perfect mixture and more strength in the part also look up the mix ratio by weight. For instance, my epoxy is 2:1 volume and 2:.88 weight.
@Chara-jv4bk
@Chara-jv4bk 3 жыл бұрын
nice video, we want one like that@AJ Hartman Aero😍
@Yhons
@Yhons Жыл бұрын
Спасибо, понравился ваш канал. Учусь делать красивые и прочные вещи.)))
@olivergowen13
@olivergowen13 Жыл бұрын
My dude!
@bmason6173
@bmason6173 11 ай бұрын
Great content AJ. I've been watching your videos for a few months now. I'm looking to make a few carbon fiber parts for my car. I'm starting out making a flat shroud sheet with cutouts. Is it better to use vac bag vs. wet lay, as well as is it better to make a mold if making multiples of the same part? Also, what is the best way to remove voids that must be cut to go around parts such as OEM hood latches and holes for screws?
@robogat_the_real
@robogat_the_real 5 ай бұрын
Nice video, thank you for sharing your process. I have a question about materials for vacuum, such as gumtape, breather and bag: are they disposable or reusable? Thank you for answering
@alextyler6504
@alextyler6504 Жыл бұрын
Hi AJ, great video mate. Just wondering what kind of thickness this panel came out at? I am looking at making some panels for my Sprintcar so need an end thickness of around 1.2 - 1.5mm. Cheers
@naturalmystics-kd9vt
@naturalmystics-kd9vt 7 ай бұрын
I hope and pray that your business will prosper in the highest level of prosperity and you will all ways many have jobs to make your life a great happy life ,
@pathumcha
@pathumcha 2 жыл бұрын
Hey this video its soo use full as a begineer but can i know to what purpose are you use oven and if soo is there any specific temperature to bake it 🧐🧐🤔
@belmyrosario4413
@belmyrosario4413 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video how long to leave the Epoxy resin between each layer
@deankay4434
@deankay4434 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting as I am a car guy. My thoughts are to learn what I can make little parts (Up to 12" X 4") and shape them into rounds like a half pipe. "Note; nothing structural, functional, just for looks added on. I noticed that the 3 & 12 added together where very flexible, this is what I am after! I make a paper pattern, allowing for epoxy attachment points, then shape it, stick in place and let it cure. In plastic engine parts I plan to clean (Wax & grease) scuff for a tooth, bend, shape, hold with plastic on edges and tape. At this point, just let the fresh epoxy cure for a day or two, or remove tape & plastic and move on to next item & repeat? Any suggestions or thoughts? As for tiny voids, imperfections or other, I was going to sand lightly to get anything shinny off using 600 grit hand sanded, clean with wax & grease remover and perhaps spray two coats of high solids clear coat and let it gas off. So if careful, no sags, runs or defects and just let it shine. The clear has tons of "UV" additive in it plus it will under hood and out of sunlight anyways. The shape of these add on parts will lend themselves to structural rigidity anyways so if I get the stuck, they will not be touched, just looked. Plus a two part clear coat adds rigidity anyways, while subject to engine vibration and some under hood temps not exceeding 260-280 degrees F, I think they should be fine. I was shocked when you had the bundle of two different fibers folded over for weight. I use all the PPE equipment required to stay safe but this is just an example of my over-active mind at work. Thanks for any reply as my garage is in the upper 30's F, and this activity is some distance away into April 2023 when global warming kicks in again. Funny, as kids 58 years ago, we called it summer, not global warming and seasonal temps where weather! Lol. Thanks!
@Syncrogreg
@Syncrogreg 5 ай бұрын
Thanks❤. Where do you buy the vacuum bagging material? Thx
@sp-yd9id
@sp-yd9id 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, did you apply a combination of wax and pva on the mirror before applying the epoxy ?
@thatbroncodude9564
@thatbroncodude9564 7 ай бұрын
Great videos! I have a question regarding the vacuum process. Do you keep vacuum running through the drying process? Do you use regulator or straight from vacuum(if use regulator what is it set to or does this change According to part size)? I do refrigeration and have several vacuum pumps with different cfm. What you recommend? Sorry for all the questions
@kennethlorgen2271
@kennethlorgen2271 2 жыл бұрын
Really like your videos. Very straight forward. Dumb question though... How long is it vacuumed for and at what temperatures? And could I in theory use a vacuum cleaner?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 2 жыл бұрын
Whatever epoxy system you use will have a cure schedule. And no, a regular vacuum cleaner will not work.
@kendrewvillocino1113
@kendrewvillocino1113 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid! Just one question, is it necessary to fold the gum tape on itself? What’s the purpose of that? Thanks alot!
@atfiero
@atfiero 3 жыл бұрын
This is extremely helpful. I’d really like to start getting into trying my hand with composites soon. How many layers of carbon would you recommend using in something like one of your splitter tunnels? The 2 layers you used for this sheet looks like too few, but I wouldn’t want to use way too many either.
@atfiero
@atfiero 3 жыл бұрын
Also, do you run the vacuum pump the entire time the piece is curing? Or do you pull a vacuum and clamp it off somehow to hold the vacuum?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
believe it or not, the tunnels are also 2 layers. Don't forget there are different weight carbons so layers doesn't really mean much, but thickness does. Also, shape has a lot to do with parts strength.
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
I leave the pump on till the part gels. I've seen people do it both ways so its up to you.
@vincentwidjaya9233
@vincentwidjaya9233 4 ай бұрын
Sangat bermanfaat, bisakah kamu membuat blade longlins ?
@whoswho3528
@whoswho3528 3 жыл бұрын
Great video very informative. I was wondering would it be possible to use one layer of carbon fiber when vacuum bagging? do you need an autoclave/ oven room for it to cure?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
You can do as few or as many layers as you need. And an oven is not necessary. Cure time would just be much longer.
@markcray5164
@markcray5164 2 жыл бұрын
You cpd but it thin and flexible like paper, 24/48hrs with a little heat 20deg C+ will cure most thin laminates. AJs set up is just what we all need!
@user-iw9tn8lu5p
@user-iw9tn8lu5p Жыл бұрын
自分用 10:32 12:23
@xkratosxxxx7426
@xkratosxxxx7426 Жыл бұрын
Where do you get your carbon from? I’m a ring maker and I’ve been using round mold to pack chopped cf into but I’d rather get It in rolls
@mckenziekeith7434
@mckenziekeith7434 11 ай бұрын
What happened with the kind of foamy epoxy on the top of the fabric near the end of squeegeeing? Did you spread that out evenly or discard it?
@83RBurke
@83RBurke 2 ай бұрын
If I were making carbon fiber discs of approximately 20.5” in diameter should I try to cut circles first or make square panels and shaped them after curing? Thanks!
@Moose-sc8cj
@Moose-sc8cj Жыл бұрын
AJ you are an artist. OK forgive me a couple lame questions. I looked up each of the addresses above but didn't see the blue peel ply, breather cloth or 3/8 vacuum hose. Pretty sure I saw the gum tape you use and the vacuum bagging. Can you put a link to their sources in a comment below ? It would be most appreciated. I may try fixing something fiberglass in the near future and I can't afford to just wing. PS Your instructional's are the hands down the best. Thanks
@Moose-sc8cj
@Moose-sc8cj Жыл бұрын
In my best Gilda Radner voice "never mind" I just needed to look harder LOL
@lmSteveo
@lmSteveo 3 ай бұрын
If the material is going on a car. Is a 2k clear needed as a next step? Or is a uv epoxy good enough?
@projectnightshade
@projectnightshade 5 ай бұрын
What vacuum pump do you use or that I can buy to keep it running during the curing process?
@lucianpetcu55
@lucianpetcu55 Жыл бұрын
Help me out buddy, please. I’m having big trouble with the vacuum bag seal, I can’t seem to get to seal properly, always a leak. Is there a trick to sealing the bag. I start on one end and end on the other. And also, what vacuum pump do you use??? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
@curvedclub6444
@curvedclub6444 6 ай бұрын
After you have everything ready for the vacuum, do you put it in the MDF closet to keep it warm? Is it some type of oven? Or is it just to have it isolated? 11:54
@paulhatfield498
@paulhatfield498 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. How come you put pleats in something that is relatively thin and flat?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero Жыл бұрын
Never hurts to have a few small pleats.
@paulhatfield498
@paulhatfield498 Жыл бұрын
@@ajhartmanaero thanks for the reply mate. Love your videos.
@lumimobb
@lumimobb 4 күн бұрын
what if you want to lay up a concave mold? Stippling method?
@RickyRips_
@RickyRips_ 5 ай бұрын
got a couple questions what’s the purpose of the folds in the gum tape : whenever you vacuum bag a part do you need to bake it : what temp and how long do you bake it for Thanks!
@ademsalihyuksel7402
@ademsalihyuksel7402 15 күн бұрын
i waited the answer, but anyone didn't reply.
@racinginsd
@racinginsd 3 жыл бұрын
Doing the vacuum bag does it make the part stronger or does it just help with cutting down the weight? Watching these videos makes me think I might actually be able to make a rear spoiler for my car out of carbon fiber.
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
Generally you get better properties with vacuum bagging. Plus, pulling excess resin weight out, you could add another layer or two of carbon to get a stronger part at the same weight as a wet lay part.
@racinginsd
@racinginsd 3 жыл бұрын
@@ajhartmanaero Thanks great videos a lot of great information. Are there any other surfaces you recommend using for laying up carbon. I see you use a mirror anything else you would recommend?
@chrisbouchard4719
@chrisbouchard4719 3 жыл бұрын
I think I've asked you this before but what is "dry carbon" in relation to these techniques? Also, it might not be a bad idea to put an in line "catch can" on your vacuum system
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'm not even sure since there isn't an industry standard. But I generally see people refer to parts that are not clear coated as "dry" carbon. But I've also seen parts made with pre-preg as "dry carbon" even tho the carbon is laid up "wet", it generally has a "drier" finish. If you ask me the whole "dry carbon" thing is a marketing term that caught on. As for an in line catch pot, I havent used one is about 8 years. I properly laid up and set up part shouldn't need one. But when people are learning, they are a good idea.
@WesTheDeal
@WesTheDeal Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@lmSteveo
@lmSteveo 3 ай бұрын
Is it necessary to put the item in the oven if you vacuum bag?
@constantproject1450
@constantproject1450 3 жыл бұрын
Question, and I’m new to trying carbon so please excuse me but is there any benefit to putting the resin on the part directly compared to having it pulled through with a vacuum on it? From the videos I’ve seen with vacuum bagging it seems like people normally have another tube running for the resin.
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
That would be infusion. Totally different technique and my next video will be on that.
@DIYD_Do_It_Yourself_Dad
@DIYD_Do_It_Yourself_Dad 5 ай бұрын
Do you keep the vacuum pump running during the entire cure or can it be separated with a quick disconnect so the part keeps it’s vacuum?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 5 ай бұрын
Keep it running.
@melissap.9404
@melissap.9404 Ай бұрын
What is your table made of?
@xisleprez
@xisleprez Жыл бұрын
Thanks! So the vacuum bagged one is lighter and possibly stronger?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero Жыл бұрын
Yes
@pbinamira
@pbinamira 3 жыл бұрын
Hi AJ, noticed a perforated release film was not used on this simple layup, around how many hg of vacuum did you use so as not to pull too much resin out of the laminate?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
I've found that perf film keeps to much resin in the part, but I guess that depends on the parts you are making. All I can say is do some tests on your own with weights to see what works specifically for you. I use full vacuum (just under 30in/hg) on my parts.
@ExploreComposites
@ExploreComposites 3 жыл бұрын
The tight weave coated peel ply makes it work here but if you're using plain nylon peel ply you'll struggle to remove the bleeder. Different peel plies seem to regulate bleed differently... no data, just a feeling!
@joepulliam9757
@joepulliam9757 2 жыл бұрын
What is the purpose of the pleats in the gum tape?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 2 жыл бұрын
Gives the bag enough slack to make it over any contours. They aren’t that necessary on flat panels so only a few very short ones are sufficient.
@aaronlehman9549
@aaronlehman9549 2 жыл бұрын
That looks way stronger than your wet lay up
@huizdeeze1075
@huizdeeze1075 2 жыл бұрын
you think sandwich two glasses wet carbon on each side would work?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen it done and tried it small scale but bubbles will probably be an issue till you get your process down.
@huizdeeze1075
@huizdeeze1075 2 жыл бұрын
@@ajhartmanaero do you offer workshops/classes on carbon work?
@ExSheriffFattyBoySkinnyArms
@ExSheriffFattyBoySkinnyArms 2 жыл бұрын
Why the folds in the gum tape?
@robertzeeland
@robertzeeland Жыл бұрын
It gives the bag some slack to make it over any contours.
@dave5833
@dave5833 Жыл бұрын
AJ do you absolutely have to vacuum bag a piece? Thanks
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero Жыл бұрын
No. Watch my wet layup video.
@dave5833
@dave5833 Жыл бұрын
@@ajhartmanaero AJ thank you I did just now. Have a Great Week?
@williamdube3532
@williamdube3532 2 жыл бұрын
Hi is the oven obligatory to do this technic ?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 2 жыл бұрын
No. Every epoxy has a data sheet on cure times at specific temps. Without heat the cure time may be extremely long tho.
@rquint1x
@rquint1x 18 күн бұрын
Do you provide trainings?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 17 күн бұрын
Yes. Watch all my videos.
@bbmotorsports6855
@bbmotorsports6855 3 жыл бұрын
Do I need to used clear gel coat before make panels?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
Totally up to you.
@bbmotorsports6855
@bbmotorsports6855 3 жыл бұрын
@@ajhartmanaero I am new to this... What would be the benefit of doing the clear gel coat?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
@@bbmotorsports6855 If done properly with quality clear, it won't, or shouldn't yellow or get cloudy over time. If done wrong or with cheap stuff, it may still yellow or haze, or most common is it will start to flake off over time. So like anything with composites, theres plusses and minuses. Very rarely is there a dead set way.
@bradmcclure4945
@bradmcclure4945 Жыл бұрын
did you wet lay that before bagging??
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero Жыл бұрын
Not sure I understand the question. I did it exactly how I showed.
@ExploreComposites
@ExploreComposites 3 жыл бұрын
Nice demonstration! I like your method of putting the mesh in the vacuum tube instead of wrapping it around - nice and compact. Is the MDF block just to keep the hose from wiggling around and making a leak?
@ajhartmanaero
@ajhartmanaero 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
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