Digital Decay Of 2000's PC Game DRM

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Tech Tangents

Tech Tangents

2 ай бұрын

I'm tired of modern video games being shut down from pointless server requirements and wanted to help the cause to spread the word that we might be able to do something about it. It also made me wonder, how many of my physical games are now dead? It was a lot more than I thought it would be.
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@TechTangents
@TechTangents 2 ай бұрын
Go to: www.stopkillinggames.com/ Accursed Farms: www.youtube.com/@Accursed_Farms
@samsulummasamsulumma6898
@samsulummasamsulumma6898 2 ай бұрын
Will do.
@megan_alnico
@megan_alnico 2 ай бұрын
Hey man, I love the idea but it looks like there really isn't much for me to do... I don't own the crew 2.
@kevinerbs2778
@kevinerbs2778 2 ай бұрын
@ 2:58 your claim online DRM is the single worst thing to happen to PC gaming. Everyone that uses steam will wholly disagree with you & claim that steam which is a DRM/platform saved PC gaming. No one will accept the truth that *Steam is arguably the second worst thing to happen to PC gaming* By Monopolizing pc gaming with steam being the only way to get an absolutely high amount of certain PC games. Next Steam has been around for 20 years now, & I'm sure there a plenty of games that no longer work with Steam because they've already stopped supporting older OS's Not mention they have habit of removing/delisting/editing games. They will take away games & then give you the crappy updated buggy RE-mastered version that you didn't ask for nor did you probably want in the first place. It is nothing more than bribe to keep you happy after they've taken away what you owned in the first place.
@hardwire666too
@hardwire666too 2 ай бұрын
Yeah. As someone else said would love to add my name but I don't own The Crew 2, however as this video points out this problem reaches far beyond just that game. Wish there were more that I could do other than just tweet a link of this video to the FTC.
@g0nz0li0
@g0nz0li0 2 ай бұрын
Kudos for boosting Ross' message. Great to see the community come together. In my country, Ross and his network have organised a petition for those who didn't buy The Crew 2 and can't directly dispute the closure of the game. So highly encourage everyone to check the site out and see if there's anything they can do at all, no matter how small.
@BouncingZeus
@BouncingZeus 2 ай бұрын
I will always say it. If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft or wrong.
@0_1_2
@0_1_2 2 ай бұрын
The federal Bureau of investigation would like to know your location
@PhobosTK
@PhobosTK 2 ай бұрын
piracy can't be theft by definition
@matthewrease2376
@matthewrease2376 2 ай бұрын
Came here to say this. You literally haven't stolen anything. ​@@PhobosTK
@EpicTyphlosionTV
@EpicTyphlosionTV 2 ай бұрын
Only issue is you can be thrown in jail for doing so. Ross is trying to change that so nobody has to rely on piracy.
@daskampffredchen9242
@daskampffredchen9242 2 ай бұрын
It isnt even by law. It is only Copyright infringement
@Mrqwerty2109
@Mrqwerty2109 2 ай бұрын
"Don't pirate our games!" "Okay then let us play it" "No!"
@Kyle_Riel
@Kyle_Riel 2 ай бұрын
Remember all those PC Master Race memes now lmao later suckaaa, you guys were played by your own egos. My offline PS2 and PS3 games will always rock!
@overclocker3164
@overclocker3164 2 ай бұрын
Nintendo is like that
@wakcedout
@wakcedout 2 ай бұрын
@@Kyle_Rielhoists the skull and crossbones flag. We can still pirate the old games to keep them alive. Running them on our new hardware. Eventually your consoles will become irreparable.
@AbsentQuack
@AbsentQuack 2 ай бұрын
@@Kyle_Rielemulator goes brrr
@AkaSora96
@AkaSora96 2 ай бұрын
​​@@Kyle_Riel Yeah emulating PS2 and PS3 games in 4k on my PC sure is tough 😢
@eileennono5039
@eileennono5039 Ай бұрын
Back in the day, I worked at a music store in the era when pirated MP3 downloading was rampant but iTunes and streaming platforms like Spotify didn't exist. We'd have customers come in all the time saying the CDs they bought didn't work. Turns out the DRM on the CDs (that pirates easily sidestepped) prevented people from using them on certain players, mostly commonly car based ones. The only people DRM actually punished were the people who paid real money for their physical product.
@BoxiesAU
@BoxiesAU Ай бұрын
Yep, I was a 14 year old and realised I could copy the cds and sell them to friends at school. I'd buy the DRM cd at retail, copy it, and take it back saying it didn't work in my cd player.
@CanonessEllinor
@CanonessEllinor Ай бұрын
I remember I had this one damn CD that couldn’t be played on my discman because of DRM. I think it was Shakira.
@squ1r7y
@squ1r7y 27 күн бұрын
In 1998 I bought a diamond Rio pmp. It was the size of a deck of cards, had 16mb of storage, and connected to the computer with a 16 pin serial port I was riding on the bus and some guy tapped my knee getting my attention. He asks, what are you listening on? I said it's an mp3 player. He responds wtf is a mp3 It cost me $300 canadian and some kid in my high school bricked it after 2 weeks. It took 50mins to fill the 16mb storage
@XenithShadow
@XenithShadow 24 күн бұрын
@@BoxiesAU You did the actually illegal piracy that could net you $250000 fine. While using pirated software makes companys annoyed they struggle to actually convict on that. Suing for breaching copy protection and selling pirated software is alot easier and more lucrative. Im pretty sure there the case of some kid in australia getting bankrupted by nintendo for leaking the rom of a game or something.
@hufficag
@hufficag 24 күн бұрын
@@squ1r7y I was 14 and bought a Casio Cassiopeia, listening to MP3s, it could play Doom, I typed my essays on it. I told a girl at school I'll email you an MP3 and she said I don't have email and what's MP3
@NeverlandSystemZor
@NeverlandSystemZor 16 күн бұрын
DRM is nothing more than "you're a pirate and criminal first, a customer second" thinking by companies.
@deathbunny3048
@deathbunny3048 6 күн бұрын
Ironically turning people into pirates through this commercial ABUSE.... I DON'T BUY GAME ANYMORE, I OWN GAMES.
@fearlesswee5036
@fearlesswee5036 6 күн бұрын
Exactly, it'd be like walking into a store, and they have armed guards pointing rifles to your head every step you took, with security cameras everywhere, and then they give you a full-cavity search before you leave to make sure you didn't steal anything. And then the company wonders why people don't come back to their store, and just buy their groceries somewhere else.
@HusbandOfManyWives1776
@HusbandOfManyWives1776 5 күн бұрын
What does DRM really do to the game?
@deathbunny3048
@deathbunny3048 5 күн бұрын
@@HusbandOfManyWives1776 Mainly causes performance issues that shouldn't be there, I'm having the issue that ever since Rockstar started using their own launcher and social club DRM platform, I can no longer play GTA V, Red Dead Redemption 2 and so on, cuz the platform didn't link to my steam account correctly, the only way to play these games now is either BUY THEM AGAIN ON THEIR OWN STORE FRONT (70 BUCKS A PIECE) or PIRATE THEM, I chose to PIRATE THEM, cuz support just ignores me and tells me they can't do anything about it. That's what DRM can do to a game.
@fearlesswee5036
@fearlesswee5036 5 күн бұрын
@@HusbandOfManyWives1776 -Affects game performance negatively -Requires online authentication even for singleplayer games; if you watched the video you can see cases where this rendered copies of games unplayable after the servers shut down, the entire point of said video. -Can present a major security risk, depending on how the DRM works. (If it's kernel-level, like Denuvo, this can SERIOUSLY mess your system up if Denuvo ever has a security breach. There are also cases in the past of shoddy early 2000's DRM bricking systems.) -Some DRM can arbitrarily limit how many times you can install a game. Imagine you move systems, or uninstall the game for room, and reinstall it later, only to find it denies you entry because "Install limit reached!" The most offensive part of this is pirates don't deal with any of this; only legitimate paying customers do. In my example, it'd be like the store owner getting angry people are going to the store across the street, and just increases the armed guards and cavity searches in his own store as if it affects those people whatsoever; it only negatively affects the people walking into his store and does literally nothing to the people across the street.
@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts
@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts 2 ай бұрын
Piracy is preservation
@LocalAitch
@LocalAitch 2 ай бұрын
Always has been
@rommix0
@rommix0 2 ай бұрын
@@LocalAitch (picture of that astronaut pointing the gun at the other astronaut. the meme of 2020)
@ryanyoder7573
@ryanyoder7573 2 ай бұрын
Nope
@rommix0
@rommix0 2 ай бұрын
@@ryanyoder7573 What do ya mean "Nope?" Would you care to write a more intelligent comment on why?
@i64fanatic
@i64fanatic 2 ай бұрын
Yeah but we can't pirate always online game servers if there's never a leak or any intention of giving the public the files.
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 2 ай бұрын
If Piracy is theft Then blocking access to games you've purchased should be equally criminal.
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Ай бұрын
Piracy is unauthorized duplication of a copy written product. The law dates back to the 70's a long while before the internet became a thing and even longer before it became plausible to share music or videos. It was written to deal with bootleg VHS makers selling unauthorized copies for a profit often without the consumer even knowing. It's not illegal to download something from what I understand but I'm no lawyer and this isn't advise lol. It is illegal to upload, it's a tort to download though so you can be sued. The thing is most companies that try get so much backlash it just isn't worth it for them. Not to mention it can be difficult with VPN's and blocklists (cough or so I'm told). However SELLING something then bait and switching the sale for a lease is in my opinion wrongful enrichment which is also a tort. We should be allowed to class action compel them to release a patch once they shut off the DRM. Because by shutting off the DRM they are admitting to withdrawing their commercial stake anyway. They should be required to pay attorney fee's and a fee for the time we spend deprived of the goods we purchased. A firm slap on the wrist plus force them to make it right. It's not like you can't pirate literally every video game within a year. Forcing customers to use such tools to regain access should be some sort of government action by the attorney generals or FTC IDK.
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 Ай бұрын
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket it is illegal to download On the subject of VHS tapes, it is not illegal to record a broadcast TV show or movie, its not even illegal to share it this is called time shifting, it is however illegal to mail it to someone, re-broadcast it, or make a profit from the recorded media in any way, weather it be through trading the media itself, or charging admission (this would also be illegal for live broadcast) The re-broadcast and mail portions are the two parts of the court case that would apply to dowload and upload. Now what is not technically illegal, but breaking contract law, is recording something from a cable, satellite, or streaming provider, because as part of your usage agreement there will be a section covering recordings, time shifting, and format shifting, Generally only allowed on authorized devices if at all. Also of note, if you need to break encryption, even for over the air broadcast, that IS illegal and why everyone should lobby hard against ATSC 3.0
@medotaku9360
@medotaku9360 Ай бұрын
This is literally what NFTs were invented for. Then these monkey idiots had to completely corrupt the plan. Now we're delayed, possibly forever, from accessing this incredible solution. I hate it.
@JohnL_S17
@JohnL_S17 Ай бұрын
Fight fire with fire
@thesenamesaretaken
@thesenamesaretaken Ай бұрын
Going to need to work on that argument tbh. Depriving somebody of something they own is theft. Piracy is never theft. If you circumvent copy protection in order to access something you paid for then that's literally the opposite of theft.
@countzero1136
@countzero1136 Ай бұрын
I want single player, offline games with no DRM and no online activation. Miss out any one of these and it's a deal breaker. I have more than enough old games that still work to entertain me for the rest of my life
@Kenionatus
@Kenionatus Ай бұрын
GOG also sells DRM free games afaik.
@xostler
@xostler 22 күн бұрын
This.
@CoalCoalJames
@CoalCoalJames 22 күн бұрын
GOG + an good quality external hard drive/s / burnt Blu-ray's ect~ to provide redundancy
@apunishedmannamed2473
@apunishedmannamed2473 19 күн бұрын
@@CoalCoalJames why would you want to play on intentionally limited consoles? A PC does it all & piracy on modern consoles is non-existant
@chrish4439
@chrish4439 19 күн бұрын
​​@@apunishedmannamed2473GOG is a site to buy PC games and piracy on modern consoles 100% exists. You just have to mod the console, the exact same way you always had to in order to play pirated games. Do a two second google search before spouting about shit you know literally nothing about lmaooo
@alann346
@alann346 22 күн бұрын
The fact is: of companies star again to sell physical products, they will have to launch it when it's ready, not 1 year before to grab some money and then proceed to keep updating the game until it's done.
@LJW1912
@LJW1912 2 ай бұрын
"You'll own nothing, and you'll like it" "No, I don't think I will"
@-my4skinwastakeninasickjew426
@-my4skinwastakeninasickjew426 2 ай бұрын
We are not Goyim. We are humans that deserve respect.
@JS-bf9dw
@JS-bf9dw 2 ай бұрын
same here, sir, same here
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 2 ай бұрын
They just changed it to "You'll own nothing".
@Survivalist-of-war
@Survivalist-of-war 2 ай бұрын
I hear this term thrown around all the time but do you kniw who said this?
@thestig007
@thestig007 2 ай бұрын
You beat me to it lol.
@SomeMorganSomewhere
@SomeMorganSomewhere 2 ай бұрын
The irony of the "official patches" released by some game studios to bypass DRM is that a lot of them weren't even produced by the studio, they just took cracks from the warez community and slapped an "official" label on it...
@JukoYT
@JukoYT 2 ай бұрын
Like how rockstar did that for manhunt 2, but they tripped their own copy protection, which causes the game to activste a bunch of troll anty piracy mesures. This makes the official still for sale Steam copy unplayable, unless you install a proper crack
@Twiddle_things
@Twiddle_things 2 ай бұрын
​@@JukoYT anty is spelled anti and mesure is spelled measures :] English is hard as hell but I hope this helps!
@tristanraine
@tristanraine 2 ай бұрын
​@@JukoYTit's actually just the first manhunt game, and the crack worked originally, same with Max Payne 3, but they changed it after they were caught, and didn't fix Manhunt after.
@JukoYT
@JukoYT 2 ай бұрын
@@tristanraine oh
@ayyyyph2797
@ayyyyph2797 2 ай бұрын
​@@tristanrainewoof, perchance is the original bootlegged anti-DRM executable for MP3 still around?
@HonoluluBoy
@HonoluluBoy Ай бұрын
I just sent my report on The Crew to the fraud reporting website. Thank you for making this video and keeping us informed.
@JohnDoe-zx9ul
@JohnDoe-zx9ul 27 күн бұрын
wrong. you agreed to their TOS. you have no case whatsoever. hold this L.
@SpeakerWiggin49
@SpeakerWiggin49 21 күн бұрын
​@@JohnDoe-zx9ulIt's going to be in public domain eventually. What if it becomes an unusable work?
@K31TH3R
@K31TH3R 18 күн бұрын
@@JohnDoe-zx9ul At least in the US, no, that's not how the law works. In order for a TOS to be legally binding a company must be able to provide irrefutable evidence of a clear offer, a consideration, and an acceptance of terms. A TOS is not a standard presentation of a legally binding contract, so they are very refutable and easily challenged in court for a plethora of reasons. With the way the TOS is presented in most games from large studios, chances are better than not that it's not actually a legally enforceable agreement for either party. One example: Maybe when I launched that game, my display driver wasn't functioning correctly, and I could not read what was on the screen, and the button I thought said "Start" was actually a button that said "Agree". If that situation occurred, then that TOS cannot be a legally binding contract because the company could only demonstrate there was an offer and agreement to the terms, but they could not provide irrefutable evidence that a consideration was ever made by the end user. Ubisoft has most definitely opened up the possibility of a court case if they do not at the least offer a refund. If it can be demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that enough people purchased The Crew with the belief that they owned a copy of the game and could play it at anytime in the future, whatever TOS they haphazardly agreed to without reading is entirely irrelevant and not a legally binding contract.
@bot-everywhere
@bot-everywhere 16 күн бұрын
​@@JohnDoe-zx9ulTOS doesn't means anything if it is illegal.
@josephbin8580
@josephbin8580 14 күн бұрын
@@JohnDoe-zx9ul i never agreed to their tos because i never bought it
@GameAW1
@GameAW1 Ай бұрын
Shoutout to Capcom for their mobile game Mega Man X Dive which ran on free-to-play and when they eventually shut down, they rereleased it as a separate paid purchase that runs entirely offline. It is the best way to save it? Probably not at all, but its an effort that was made at all and at this point, its more than a lot of others are doing.
@Crabunderscore
@Crabunderscore 17 күн бұрын
The same Capcom that retroactively added Anti-mod drm to all of their steam catalog earlier this year, making their games not only shorter in lifespan due to less access to mods but also running worse for everyone with a legitimate copy. Ah yeah, it also degrades hardware faster
@fearlesswee5036
@fearlesswee5036 6 күн бұрын
I wish more game companies did this when they end service for their online-only games. I.e. Fallout 76; just make it so all the atom shop content is obtainable as loot drops in the wasteland, make it run offline, and then repackage it as some sort of "Fallout 76 Ultimate Edition" and offer it as a new purchase with a steep discount for existing owners.
@HusbandOfManyWives1776
@HusbandOfManyWives1776 5 күн бұрын
Is it true that when ff14 ends they will turn it into offline singleplayer?
@AdrianGrave
@AdrianGrave 3 күн бұрын
@@HusbandOfManyWives1776 I don't think it'll end..
@affsteak3530
@affsteak3530 2 ай бұрын
Only 11% of films from the Silent Era survive intact. They were stored on a physically volatile media and their artistic significance was unknown. A hundred years later, with the advantage of historical hindsight and digital storage, its estimated that only 13% of all videogames are playable without resorting to piracy. This number will only shrink with dying mobile games and games only hosted on official servers. Game. Piracy. Is. Art. Preservation.
@iecasper
@iecasper 2 ай бұрын
And after industry leaders keep pushing to kill off x86 architecture it will be worse after mainstream desktops becomes ARM.
@last8exile
@last8exile 2 ай бұрын
@@iecasper But you can run x86 apps and whole OSes on ARM. Apple Silicon (M series) also support that.
@iecasper
@iecasper 2 ай бұрын
@@last8exile through emulation. And most classic games suck in emulation.
@TheUmbraSol
@TheUmbraSol 2 ай бұрын
There's even private servers kept up by dedicated fans for some multiplayer games. Games should really be open source after a certain time.
@iecasper
@iecasper 2 ай бұрын
@@TheUmbraSol maybe a published Game should become public after 20 years.
@Accursed_Farms
@Accursed_Farms 2 ай бұрын
Thanks a bunch for the mention! For the record, everything we're doing would cover any DRM that requires internet access also. It wouldn't end DRM in itself, but make it so it would be a legal liability to the company if it needing to dial out made the game unplayable when support ended. The advantage of focusing on international consumer law is the reasons WHY companies make your game stop working don't actually matter much, just that they did it to titles you bought from them. The more attention this gets, this better!
@gkan1042
@gkan1042 2 ай бұрын
You're doing good work mate. First it's games then this week extend to computer software and who knows where it'll end? Maybe they'll shut down your car or household appliances after 10 years. Your rights don't disappear overnight, they're usually eroded away over time...
@Omenhachi
@Omenhachi 2 ай бұрын
Respect for what you're doing
@newyorktechworld6492
@newyorktechworld6492 2 ай бұрын
The Crew Motorfest is currently getting review bombed on steam for requiring an anti consumer always online internet connection 😂 Lol. People are tired of this.
@siralexander3359
@siralexander3359 2 ай бұрын
hi ross
@unholy7324
@unholy7324 Ай бұрын
Well allow me to drive down this rabbit hole
@dr.paradox
@dr.paradox 17 күн бұрын
You are morally obligated to pirate all games with DRM until they stop using it. They'll complain that "Users will just pirate if we don't use DRM" but they're already pirating your games and are better off for it. DRM, specifically Denuvo, is awful, and has been anecdotally shown to lower performance of the games. GOG made a whole business model on games without DRM. It's still a digital storefront, but that will probably never change. I think the time of physical media is gone, and now we're stuck to the whims of the digital storefront.
@zinxderobo
@zinxderobo 17 күн бұрын
This was the first presentation of yours I've watched. Very nice work friend! It's obvious that you're one of the good ones who truly care. Thanks!
@norielgames4765
@norielgames4765 2 ай бұрын
Whenever it reaches this point, piracy becomes saving and rescuing.
@rahulshah1408
@rahulshah1408 2 ай бұрын
It’s not piracy if it is abandoned. Totally agree with you.
@Odinsday
@Odinsday 2 ай бұрын
If a company goes out of it's way to prevent you playing a game that you PAID FOR with YOUR money, it is your moral obligation to preserve it
@norielgames4765
@norielgames4765 2 ай бұрын
@@Odinsday this is my case with many games by FX Interactive such as the entire Imperivm Anthology and the Drakensang games. I paid hard money for those games and now their shop and the entire company is out. How can I play my games if it isn't by pirating them? I refuse to just buy them a second time from someone who just happens to have a digital copy.
@allRepublicansarepedos
@allRepublicansarepedos 2 ай бұрын
The one piece is real. Luffy saved dresssrosa.
@theviniso
@theviniso 2 ай бұрын
So much of videogame history would be lost already if it weren't for piracy. It's not only justified in many cases, it's also crucial for media preservation.
@LocalAitch
@LocalAitch 2 ай бұрын
This is the end result when you let copyright holders dictate how protected works are preserved. I consider it *literal theft* in a way that copyright infringement can never be. It's theft from the eventual public domain that all works are supposed to enter.
@Falsechicken
@Falsechicken 2 ай бұрын
Yeah. I refuse to play by their rules to be able to participate in our own damn culture. Everything is derivative. Everyone's ideas are tacked onto a previous idea someone else had. It's like they are using a ladder made of everyone else's cultural contributions then pull it up behind them.
@piercebros
@piercebros 2 ай бұрын
lmao
@jarlsparkley
@jarlsparkley 2 ай бұрын
Anyone who wants a copyright to commercialize a work that’s based on ideas from the public domain should in my opinion have to pay a licensing fee to the public for as long as they want to keep the privilege.
@massgrave8x
@massgrave8x 2 ай бұрын
@@piercebros riveting and thought-provoking response bro
@supereldinho
@supereldinho 2 ай бұрын
And the most deliciously ironic part? By committing literal theft, as you so adequately put it, these corporations are doing the very thing they accuse the pirates of doing. This is literally scorched earth levels of pettiness.
@gregoryberrycone
@gregoryberrycone Ай бұрын
I know its not the most fun topic to cover when compared with fun retro hardware or revisiting favorite games, but i think this is one of your most important videos by far. To me this is one of the biggest problems facing PC gaming as a platform (not that it isn't a risk for consoles going forward as well), it really feels like long term preservation was/isn't even a consideration for most game developers and publishers. and i feel the same way about only really buying old games for the most part nowadays, but don't write off new games completely. There's stuff like pathologic 2, the system shock remake (i know its a remake but still well worth playing) and jagged alliance 3 that are keeping the spirit of old school pc gaming alive and well
@kaba9926
@kaba9926 19 күн бұрын
Newly accounced Call of Duty requires a permanent connection in order to "Stream textures". Game size oon the drive : 320Gb...
@MatterMadeMoot
@MatterMadeMoot 4 күн бұрын
Activision, sorry Activision -Blizzard, will never get my money again.
@phunkym8
@phunkym8 2 ай бұрын
and again the only ones not suffering from all this crap are pirates.
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 2 ай бұрын
Just like the xkcd comic "Steal This Comic", except replace music with video games.
@i64fanatic
@i64fanatic 2 ай бұрын
I don't think we have any solution for pirating always online stuff like The Crew.
@TheBackyardChemist
@TheBackyardChemist 2 ай бұрын
@@i64fanatic WoW private servers are a thing so technically it would be possible, just not feasible
@Toleich
@Toleich 2 ай бұрын
@@TheBackyardChemist Or desirable. Some games just aren't worth the effort.
@testytesteberger6397
@testytesteberger6397 2 ай бұрын
You mean intelligent people?
@Space_Reptile
@Space_Reptile 2 ай бұрын
recently i asked on the steam subreddit about how to make games like half life 2 work on a windows XP mashine now that the support has been dropped my post was promtly removed and i was swiftly banned from the subreddit for "promoting piracy" merely for asking if there is a way to make these games work on the hardware that they came out on Edit: please stop telling me about Linux, you are missing the point so hard it hurts my brain
@kevinerbs2778
@kevinerbs2778 2 ай бұрын
I think G.O.G frequently does this for some games. They usually make them playable on new OS's too.
@olnnn
@olnnn 2 ай бұрын
It is at least doable for HL2 and other source engine games, more of a worry for less popular and newer stuff on steam that may end up getting orphaned without the same workarounds and continued support
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 2 ай бұрын
its a reddit moment they just assume things about you
@moth.monster
@moth.monster 2 ай бұрын
That's just Reddit moderators
@LagrangePoint0
@LagrangePoint0 2 ай бұрын
They probably assumed you voted for Trump.
@veerkillerx
@veerkillerx 11 күн бұрын
I really appreciate you classic gamers using your oldschool hardware.
@Volkaer
@Volkaer 4 күн бұрын
GTA4 is another one. Not only are the activation servers no longer working, they changed their activation methods and servers something like 3 times during the early days of the game's lifetime. So yeah, piracy saved me from getting outright scammed when my original in-the-box software doesn't work.
@daskampffredchen9242
@daskampffredchen9242 2 ай бұрын
I think it should be a requirement to make the Server Tools accessible once the official server service gets shut down
@daynester
@daynester 2 ай бұрын
That would satisfy what many of the complaints.
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments 2 ай бұрын
Personally I hate the move from player owned servers to matchmaking. Like my friend a few years ago installed Battlefield 1942 and while it didn't have a lot of players or servers you were still able to find a game. Plus with dedicated Servers it was always nice finding one where you had a good connection, with cool people on it, making friends and becoming a regular. The move to matchmaking has just made people more toxic, they don't need to worry about an admin kicking or banning them.
@TRDiscordian
@TRDiscordian 2 ай бұрын
@@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments100%, Ive never liked matchmaking. Loved finding a few servers with good vibes and frequenting them.
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments 2 ай бұрын
@@TRDiscordian Yeah. I tried to go back to Team Fortress 2 and it just wasn't the same. I only played on a custom map server that had friendly fire enabled (sounds hectic but it helped improve my aim so much). We also had certain nights where we would all go sniper and have to take a shot if you got a headshot. I miss it, miss finding a cool server and becoming a regular on it.
@mayflowwy
@mayflowwy 2 ай бұрын
@@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments heyyy my dad still plays battlefield 1942 regularly!!
@persona83
@persona83 2 ай бұрын
I remember a time when you'd go to an arcade and your favorite game was simply replaced by a new one. Sometimes you'd never see the game again. That was something you had to live with it, until emulation brought them all back from the oblivion. And now we're reliving this nightmare.
@southcoastinventors6583
@southcoastinventors6583 2 ай бұрын
Only a problem if you don't have a crack
@BologneyT
@BologneyT 2 ай бұрын
Interesting observation. 🧐 *nods*
@1stCallipostle
@1stCallipostle 2 ай бұрын
You speak of emulation as though it's some new phenomenon. It's been pretty common for oh say... 20 years now?
@ThePainkiller9995
@ThePainkiller9995 2 ай бұрын
lmao nightmare chill
@DanceDanceNorth
@DanceDanceNorth 2 ай бұрын
Arcades are quite fascinating. It's possible to switch between many different game versions on one cabinet. When an entire machine is removed, though, it's often very sad, because that game can't be played there any more.
@thedoctor7158
@thedoctor7158 21 күн бұрын
AT the price of games these days I won't lie. I "try" every game before I buy it. If I like it I will actually buy it, but if it is crap, and there is a LOT of crap out, I delete it. I've saved thousands of dollars over the years by not paying for crap "AAA" games.
@HusbandOfManyWives1776
@HusbandOfManyWives1776 5 күн бұрын
I respect a pirate that does this. Games barely have demos anymore. I remember playing the heck out of God of War 1's demo
@luke2806
@luke2806 3 күн бұрын
the price is just based off of some arbitrary number from back in the day when they had to put games on cartridges for consoles so they had to put it on a board and make a chipset or whatever for each copy i get it being expensive in that situation. but they haven't had to do that in literal decades but the prices are still around the same... nonsense.
@thedoctor7158
@thedoctor7158 3 күн бұрын
@@luke2806 TBH games are nearly the same price they were in the 80s. In 1980 a video game cost about $20-$30. Converting $20 1980 dollars to today is $76 and $30 is now $114 so if anything games are cheaper than they were then. Hell, if you don't go for AAA titles you pay even less.
@SqualidsargeStudios
@SqualidsargeStudios 12 күн бұрын
Let’s be fair here, companies themselves always violate their own terms of service. So why should’t the consumer do the exact same, publishers treat customers like trash. Then we are allowed to do the exact same.
@freshdoug
@freshdoug 2 ай бұрын
AAA executive: "You're still playing old stuff? You're not playing this brand new thing we just made?"
@fireworkstarter
@fireworkstarter Ай бұрын
You should try making fun games again then i will give it a shot
@pianoman7753
@pianoman7753 Ай бұрын
​@@fireworkstarterexactly, Im playing diablo 2 classic, im using my wii u to play virtual console games, AND ive still got all my old hardware, snes to wii. Ps1-ps2, xbox, xbox 360. The last of the genuine greats.
@rps215
@rps215 Ай бұрын
That sounds funny but also a serious issue. Another guy made a video on that, forgot who that was, as in why a publisher wants you to stop playing Shooterman 2 and move on to Shooterman 3.
@elijahhernandez906
@elijahhernandez906 Ай бұрын
Man, I hate it when "they" scrutinize the old stuff just because it boosts thier ego. I remember doing the same thing with my folks old games, untill I swallowed my pride. Now my favorite classic game of all time is Dig-Dug. I still have Battlefield 1942, Iron Maiden Ed hunter, & Star Wars Battlefront (SWB for both pc & ps2). Hell, I remember my mom telling me " if it weren't for X, Y wouldn't exists. ( replace the letters with any "old vs new" cliche & you get the idea.
@webbopwork6054
@webbopwork6054 Ай бұрын
@@fireworkstarter and not charge 60+ € not including the microtransactions, or the countless subscription services.
@bruce_just_
@bruce_just_ 2 ай бұрын
“Don’t ask questions. Just consume product and then get excited about next product” Jay Bauman Red Letter Media
@pudznerath6532
@pudznerath6532 2 ай бұрын
Your entire identity is based on consuming this specific product tho, its just the distribution method is whats in scrutiny.
@bruce_just_
@bruce_just_ 2 ай бұрын
@@pudznerath6532 the distribution method being scrutinised doesn’t exist in isolation though? Customers *are* still willing to pay, despite the gotchas and fine print details about withdrawal of service in the future. RLM are not wrong in this context.
@Abumustard6364
@Abumustard6364 2 ай бұрын
@@pudznerath6532 Damn you don't get it
@StereoBucket
@StereoBucket 2 ай бұрын
My pet peeve surrounding discussions with all the bad things around gaming is the people who plug their ears and repeat "I'm having fun though!" and "let people have fun!". Seen a few of those weird individuals show up to defend blizzard after OW1 was killed off and OW2 was pushed with terrible microtransactions and battlepasses. Like woah alright, go have your short-term fun at the expense of everything and let us talk about how horrible the publishers are. I'll never understand it. I guess maybe they feel as if pushback against shitty practices will somehow ruin their fun, which just makes zero fucking sense.
@blad...
@blad... 2 ай бұрын
@@StereoBucket Those are the same people who don't care about throwing away money, and these often overlap with people who don't pay for stuff AKA teenagers who live with their parents still.
@shinyandnotpanicking
@shinyandnotpanicking Ай бұрын
What an excellent video! Thank you for taking the time to collate all these examples and resources.
@greevar
@greevar 15 күн бұрын
Piracy is morally justified. You paid for it. You're owed what you paid for.
@EdwinSteiner
@EdwinSteiner 2 ай бұрын
It would be great if similar to books, where a publisher has to send copies of the book to the Library of Congress, publishers of software had to put a copy of each release without DRM into a public library archive that is opened to the public after, say, 20 or 30 years. That wouldn't be a full solution to digital decay but it would prevent a whole section of history from being effectively deleted.
@daskampffredchen9242
@daskampffredchen9242 2 ай бұрын
Or force them to release a patch and to release their server software if it is a Multiplayer game
@samsulummasamsulumma6898
@samsulummasamsulumma6898 2 ай бұрын
I know that piracy is wrong, but piracy is the reason why hundreds of video games have been preserved over the years. Ironic, isn't it?
@LucasCunhaRocha
@LucasCunhaRocha 2 ай бұрын
They should all do what Carmack did with Doom and Quake and release the source code for the engines of games that became "old tech", and also design games that are not dependent on some service from the publisher. You can still play the quake3 multiplayer on the dreamcast to this day because Carmack knew how to futureproof the game.
@EdwinSteiner
@EdwinSteiner 2 ай бұрын
I think we agree on what they *should* do but we cannot expect all publishers to do that. Our legislators need to codify a reasonable minimum of what software publishers *must* do.
@WilliamHostman
@WilliamHostman 2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, Software is deemed copyright covered, not patent protected, and it's author's life+20 to some minumum years at present in the US, where much of the software is copyrighted. We're now facing the consequences of capitalism + software as copyright. And even if the copyright law changed today, nothing already copyrighted would be affected.
@jacewarbeck9684
@jacewarbeck9684 2 ай бұрын
Modern gaming is a sham - but do not lose hope. We have more games behind us than we could play in a hundred lifetimes.
@rps215
@rps215 Ай бұрын
In a tech seminar on a local university here in Indonesia, a professor said that there are exabytes worth of entertainment content today that you will not be able to consume them all even if you can stay awake for 100 years non-stop. That was 5 or 6 years ago.
@JohnsonTheReal
@JohnsonTheReal 15 күн бұрын
@@rps215forgets to mention most of them are garbage
@Cowcatgames
@Cowcatgames Ай бұрын
I made a PC physical for my game BROK the InvestiGator during the Kickstarter, and I still sell them. The full game is on both a USB key (which can be updated!) and a DVD. No online required. The demand isn't big compared to console physicals and it saddens me a bit, because you know consoles will stop including drives soon and PC will be one of the only possibilities to get physical offline games, as ironic as it sounds right now.
@PicklesTheOtt
@PicklesTheOtt Ай бұрын
I am so glad I clicked on this video. I still have my Antec Super Lanboy case! It is currently where my home Linux server lives. Though, I did cut the blue LEDs out from the front fan.
@Astronomikat
@Astronomikat 2 ай бұрын
The destruction of ownership of personal media is by design.
@southcoastinventors6583
@southcoastinventors6583 2 ай бұрын
Can play any game overblown fear, internet keeps everything alive more or less.
@SammEater
@SammEater 2 ай бұрын
That is why piracy is good. No matter what some middle class american say.
@babykata-dt3ys
@babykata-dt3ys 2 ай бұрын
​@@southcoastinventors6583 currently. Who knows what will happen if the copyright hoarders get their way.
@borginburkes1819
@borginburkes1819 2 ай бұрын
@@SammEaterwhat’s funny is that “middle class” Americans will fight tooth and nail to defend their billionaire overlords.
@RootVegetabIe
@RootVegetabIe Ай бұрын
​​@@southcoastinventors6583OK cool go play Overwatch 1. Go play any previous version of "live service" games. I'll wait
@ogre706
@ogre706 2 ай бұрын
The future of gaming looks dark but the past has never looked brighter. You are exactly right when you mentioned that there is more than a lifetime's worth of classic games we can spend our time on.
@persona83
@persona83 2 ай бұрын
Exactly my thought. It's like cinema: you can simply stop watching new movies and have a lifetime of enjoyment watching amazing past films, specially 90s ones.
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 2 ай бұрын
​@@persona83just watched Total Recall(1990) the other day. It was a fucking masterpiece. There really is a treasure trove of dope old school stuff
@persona83
@persona83 2 ай бұрын
@@jaykelley103 Cool! Keep diggin' you'll find really great stuff.
@celeridad6972
@celeridad6972 2 ай бұрын
I think the same but the golden age to me is 2000-2015 games and movies are just hard to get used to with outdated graphics and visual quality.
@christaylor86
@christaylor86 2 ай бұрын
Last modern game I played was Elden Ring. Other than that, yeah, it's all been past releases. The future of gaming doesn't interest nor worry me at all.
@chatoXvato
@chatoXvato 27 күн бұрын
beautiful video & im glad someone is on the forefront of this issues because I would love to play my favorite games in 30 more years.
@justbobsmith
@justbobsmith Ай бұрын
Ultima Online is still up and running since 1997. Subscription service works.
@bleack8701
@bleack8701 Ай бұрын
So the exception to the rule somehow.akes the rule untrue? Ignoring the mountain of subscription games that are inaccessible is so convenient
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven 2 ай бұрын
IMO, every online game that shuts down should take the Club Penguin Island route. Not only did they release an offline mode, they also included a debug mode, that encourages the users to find a way to bring back the game via private servers
@cadjebushey6524
@cadjebushey6524 2 ай бұрын
Unless the Goddamn company gets fussy and demands the fan project shutdown . 😤
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven 2 ай бұрын
@@cadjebushey6524 OG CPPS dont get shut down as much, and a CPI CPPS never got shut down by disney afaik
@camwha5904
@camwha5904 Ай бұрын
Need something like that for webkniz before they shut down too
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven
@ThatOneFriendoneoneseven Ай бұрын
@@camwha5904 yeah, but its probably a good idea for the community to make their own backups of the games files, because while Club Penguin Island got an offline mode, OG CP wasn’t so lucky and is still around thanks to fan back ups
@scaper12123
@scaper12123 Ай бұрын
Won't happen in this corporate age, what with publishers with copyright ownership willing to kill or sit on beloved IPs forever just so we'll be forced to consume the next product.
@superiorone2061
@superiorone2061 2 ай бұрын
This is why I love buying older PC games on GOG as they remove DRM on majority of titles available & even allows you to download offline installers for the games you purchased through GOG.
@kylespevak6781
@kylespevak6781 2 ай бұрын
GOG is the GOAT
@superiorone2061
@superiorone2061 2 ай бұрын
@kylespevak6781 Sometimes, their sales can be even better than the ones Steam has!
@classicpctinker5070
@classicpctinker5070 2 ай бұрын
GOG is cool but their service only supports modern computers. It's a crapshoot if any updates they may have had to apply to fix things for modern computers don't break it on computers the game was originally targeting. Similarly, this ever shifting support puts the XP/ Vista/ Win7 computers I purchased my early GOG games on in a precarious position. I'm starting to wish I had kept multiple releases of my GOG installers instead of updating them over time. Only the latest installers are available for download. :(
@selfhelp9685
@selfhelp9685 2 ай бұрын
GOG's business model definitely highlights the full potential of digital ownership. Being able to update your game and put it right back onto external storage. So it doesn't matter much if the game was released in a broken state. The games are truly repairable.
@SolDizZo
@SolDizZo 2 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if it was my bank or GOG but years ago when I tried GOG the transaction failed when absolutely nothing should have been amiss and I've just never looked back. Is GOG really worth my wallet?
@ChIblcHaN
@ChIblcHaN 22 күн бұрын
Companies are stealing ownership from people who bought the item. This is ridiculous.
@eljugadorescaldenc4002
@eljugadorescaldenc4002 12 күн бұрын
Loved the video and the idea. Your house is really cool, is like returning to the 90’s 2000’s.
@brnrds
@brnrds 2 ай бұрын
"Breaks social contract, acts indignant when folks go pirate", is indeed the Propellerheads/Reason labs way.
@JohnDoe-zx9ul
@JohnDoe-zx9ul 27 күн бұрын
"violates TOS, wonders why they're being sued" big brains on you, my guy.
@hamoodhabibi8254
@hamoodhabibi8254 2 ай бұрын
Without piracy, i would literally only have experienced %10 of the games I've ever played either due to scarcity, DRM, or region locking. Ive never understood why people have such moral qualms about pirating games that have not been in circulation for 10+ years, and publishers knowingly remove without giving a us legal way to experience them. Regular people “pirating” games and making them available to the public again have done more for preservation than companies ever can or will. Shout out to magipack games and my abandonware ;)
@Sentralkontrol
@Sentralkontrol 2 ай бұрын
I used to pirate games aggressively as a kid because we were poor. Years later, I’ve gone back and bought copies of games at full retail directly from the developers to make up for it. Piracy isn’t an issue of people wanting to steal, but being unable to obtain the game legitimately
@relo999
@relo999 2 ай бұрын
@@Sentralkontrol The big issue is that loads of people do want to steal or simply think "yea, I can use my money elsewhere if I get a pirated copy". Quite a lot of games see a noticeable drop in sales when a pirated copy is released, even if it's a poor scene release. And the same happens with pre-orders when leaked copies get leaked, the drop and a notable number are cancelled. I think the thought mistake a lot of "ludophiles" make is that the average consumer is like themselves, most of them aren't. The average consumers buys a shit load of microtransaction stuff, a lot of "ludophiles" don't. Same with piracy, the "ludophiles" often has no issue with purchasing a copy (though even there you get into murky "what ifs" but the average consumer doesn't. And are they buying all games they pirated? Probably not. Piracy was famously a giant issue on the DS for that reason, for the average consumer the options where "buy game for 40" or "buy R4 with SD card for 40 and download a bunch of games". And one option has a significantly higher bang for your buck. Same with music, do you think that every kid with a 500MB MP3 player full of music fresh from Limewire in the mid 2000's bought all the music they regularly listened to? Realistically speaking, unless they became some audiophile, they more than likely never did. (more than likely they just ended up buying a subscription to spotify, at the cost of around 2 songs in the mid 2000's (1 song if you adjust for inflation) a month while in the modern era music piracy is significantly harder for the average consumer)
@Zontar82
@Zontar82 2 ай бұрын
Craptendo has its ass so strict about playing 30+ years games on emulators that you would need a crowbar to pry open that ass
@Zontar82
@Zontar82 2 ай бұрын
@@Sentralkontrol i used to do the same, now that i am a grown up and i have a job, i can afford to buy a game once in a while, but if the game in question is only single player and yet requires me to be online all the time, and everything unlockable is already on disc but requires me to pay, then to the high seas it will be
@thelakeman2538
@thelakeman2538 2 ай бұрын
​@@relo999but the other consideration is whether they'd have bought that piece of software to begin with. I'm sure there are lost sales but assuming every pirate was even a potential sale to begin with is a big assumption, some were and some weren't, estimating potential losses due to piracy is very murky territory. Though as far as lost sales are considered even publishers are only interested in preventing piracy in the launch window and in the weeks or months following it, more or less that financial quarter and at best that financial year, at least that's how companies like denuvo originally marketed themselves (first 100 days or whatever), I doubt removing the copy protection after that would impact their sales that much. It'd be great if there were some studies looking into drm free releases (gog release) and whether it increases piracy vs just having a drm riddled release.
@HairyTrigger
@HairyTrigger Ай бұрын
Seeing the box for "Silent Thunder" unlocked some core memories of playing on my late fathers Win95 machine back in the day. That game was amazing.
@breadcat1055
@breadcat1055 3 күн бұрын
6:00 Hyperscape. I felt that one to my soul, fam. You earned the sub. This has got to stop these corporations are choosing what we are allowed to enjoy and it's sickening.
@TzOk
@TzOk 2 ай бұрын
It is not only a problem of computer games, but rather whole computer software.
@computernerd8157
@computernerd8157 2 ай бұрын
One of the many reason I learned to code.
@MahalGC
@MahalGC 2 ай бұрын
It's also a problem of principles, "Why offer support for ancient software if I can just retool it later and resell it?"
@BrentRWong242
@BrentRWong242 2 ай бұрын
@@computernerd8157 I am seriously considering the same.
@BrentRWong242
@BrentRWong242 2 ай бұрын
Starting to feel a bit like James Halliday ...
@drwhothehell
@drwhothehell 2 ай бұрын
Lost Planet 2 was “de-listed” (page still exists but can’t be purchased) from Steam years ago because of GFWL, and Capcom just outright abandoned it. While it’s still perfectly playable on both Xbox 360 and Xbox One (and probably PlayStation), it’s been unplayable for years on PC. They claim they’ll keep us informed about their investigation about GFWL causing issues, but instead they left us in the dark and abandoned it. Such a shame…
@edstar83
@edstar83 2 ай бұрын
Scene groups released cracks for that game.
@comradecommissar1945
@comradecommissar1945 2 ай бұрын
@@edstar83 did any of them ever fix the game not running on 6 and 8 core cpu's?
@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish
@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish 2 ай бұрын
This is not entirely correct. It is still possible to install and play Lost Planet 2 if you already own it on steam. .. HOWEVER... it is extremely fucky trying to install it and then play it if you're new to this. You have to manage installing GFWL on 2024, then make sure you have less than 9 physical cores active on your PC (yup, disable in bios!) Or it simply won't launch. And then when the game starts, you need to have already created a Microsoft account to sign into the gfwl window because you can't create a gfwl account through the game anymore. THEN you have to wait several minutes for it to update because the progress bar is broken and will not display. Then you have to restart the game 2 or 3 times for the patches to download and install. FINALLY you can get into the game and saving will work, however if your Xbox account has ever changed its username from the original one you've had, you can no longer have working private lobby invites! Fantastic.
@Primus1243
@Primus1243 2 ай бұрын
I still got it working. There is an actual patch you find in pcgamingwiki, where you just drop in a single file and it works. As for GFWL, Microsoft went about it an interesting way. If you still have the game in your library and run it, it needs the service. However, Microsoft turned the 'DRM' system into more of a peer to peer system. So instead of servers like it did back then and instead of relying on Steam servers or Steamworks, it uses peer to peer connection. So whoever is the host is the server. There are literally guides on how to get set up, using Microsoft's official downloads of the program. Their literal last download of the program is the peer to peer version. They kept a server alive just for authentication reasons, but that's it and they are Microsoft. As long as Windows exist, that server exists. It contains all the GFWL games that needs keys. It would even take repeat keys as I installed Lost Planet 2 many times and used the same key that Steam gave me. So yes, if you bought Lost Planet 2 on steam before they took it off buying it, you are lucky in that regard and I still enjoy playing it and it's nutso story that I have a guilty pleasure enjoying.
@Primus1243
@Primus1243 2 ай бұрын
Oh, and to set up GFWL, download, run, sign in once, once you are at the 'empty' library page, exit, run game, sign into game with your xbox account or Microsoft account, enter key, authenticate, play.
@implozia1360
@implozia1360 Күн бұрын
Thank you for this video! As a game dev that also into retro gaming on the Nintendo DS and 3DS, who grew up on flash games that no longer exist or barely do on Flashpoint, this is a video many need to hear! Thank you for your service, sir!
@jrose-xp6tf
@jrose-xp6tf 27 күн бұрын
As a 20 year steam member (and p.c. tech) I remember my horror when I couldn't activate my original Half-Life disc...I knew this was coming then, Thanks for this vid.
@EpicTyphlosionTV
@EpicTyphlosionTV 2 ай бұрын
"Torture for Windows Live" is a much better name
@JJop123
@JJop123 2 ай бұрын
GFWL still works fine. Use it all the time for my achievement hunting. The service wasn't that bad, the pc community just likes to complain way too much
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 2 ай бұрын
windows live more like George Orwell live
@JadeLockpicker
@JadeLockpicker 2 ай бұрын
oh gods. I remember GfWL. Fallout 3 was buggy, true. But finding out a good half of it's performance issues was GfWL's achievement system still makes me sigh and laugh. ANd cry.
@Reploid-dj9jc
@Reploid-dj9jc 2 ай бұрын
@@JJop123 ok , try to play Dirt 2 , try to play Need for speed Pro street or literally in the video Fable 3 . and there are many other games broken cause of it .
@dabigbadwolf5081
@dabigbadwolf5081 2 ай бұрын
​@@JJop123well, try and play the gfwl version of GTA4 then.
@NoToeLong
@NoToeLong 2 ай бұрын
Another issue are Steam games that only run on older versions of Windows. Since Steam no longer supports older Windows versions, these games (that you can still buy now) are completely unplayable legally.
@yalldrinktea
@yalldrinktea 2 ай бұрын
I hear that compatibility layers on Linux maintain functionality even for some 16-bit applications
@DreamyAbaddon
@DreamyAbaddon 2 ай бұрын
@@yalldrinktea Yeah, cause Linux Proton will preserve even the oldest games. It's the future.
@gogereaver349
@gogereaver349 2 ай бұрын
@@yalldrinktea the wine 16/32 bit stack can be installed on windows machines to. look up wined3d.
@kaden-sd6vb
@kaden-sd6vb 2 ай бұрын
What are some games like this?
@vicroc4
@vicroc4 2 ай бұрын
​@@DreamyAbaddonExcept that Proton doesn't work with my setup. Spent hours troubleshooting it and I can't even get games to launch. WINE sometimes works, but God help you if you have a game that wasn't particularly popular, because it's going to be an unplayable mess.
@oogrooq
@oogrooq 17 күн бұрын
If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing.
@michaelp4122
@michaelp4122 22 күн бұрын
This is why I play console games.....but even then, more and more games require a download before you can even play them.
@CJinMono
@CJinMono 2 ай бұрын
The issues raised in the video aren't exclusive to games, but software as a whole. I appreciate efforts to raise awareness on these issues.
@JohnDoe-zx9ul
@JohnDoe-zx9ul 27 күн бұрын
here's the solution: stop living in the past.
@gabsnandes7818
@gabsnandes7818 26 күн бұрын
​@JohnDoe-zx9ul you will own nothing and you will be happy
@JohnDoe-zx9ul
@JohnDoe-zx9ul 26 күн бұрын
@@gabsnandes7818 it's better that way
@CJinMono
@CJinMono 26 күн бұрын
@@JohnDoe-zx9ul You're either a corporate troll or incredibly naive
@angelsballad9715
@angelsballad9715 17 күн бұрын
@@JohnDoe-zx9ul Unlike most commenters, I actually agree with you to some extent. The examples this guy provides rely on him holding onto some heavily outdated software, and in some cases being completely isolated with no internet access. It's simply ridiculous at this point in time of the world to expect companies to give any care towards someone who can't even get internet access. If you are in a place totally locked off from the internet, you probably don't even make enough to consider buying a PC or PS5, so why would any company or developer care to implement that stuff.
@dylanherron3963
@dylanherron3963 2 ай бұрын
RIP The Chronicles of Riddick. A single player AMAZING action stealth game with DRM servers shut down in 2015.
@CuriousChronicles82275
@CuriousChronicles82275 2 ай бұрын
Yup I'm still playing it today and assault of dark athena on PC. This is GoG by the way.
@Nomadmandude
@Nomadmandude 2 ай бұрын
There is a crack. I'm replaying it recently.
@ArtisChronicles
@ArtisChronicles 2 ай бұрын
Now I wish I had been able to play it. Sounds like my cup of tea
@ArtisChronicles
@ArtisChronicles 2 ай бұрын
​@@Nomadmandude Good news on that at least
@SammEater
@SammEater 2 ай бұрын
You can still play it, mate. But you have to sail the seven seas for that, savvy?
@JonnyCrackers
@JonnyCrackers 12 күн бұрын
Very well said! It's a shame how greedy publishers and developers have gotten over the last 15 or so years. The part about Gran Turismo 7 perfectly encapsulates everything I despise about modern AAA games. Gaming has become too corporate. Instead of the goal being to make something great that people will remember fondly(and revisit) for decades, it's about squeezing as much money out of people as possible with microtransactions and addictive dopamine loops that give constant "rewards" that should have just been available to you in the first place. They rely on the temporary nature of online only experiences, encouraging people to buy their games out of fear of missing out. So many games are dead already and many many more will be dead in only a few years time. It's predatory business.
@deadline546
@deadline546 22 күн бұрын
I had one of those antecs from the xp build, brought back some memories, including the slight panic when you accidently click CD/DVD drive and it opens while door is closed.
@mr.vidjagamez9896
@mr.vidjagamez9896 2 ай бұрын
As an active PC player in the 90s and 2000s, I was warning people of this shit as soon as it started being rolled out, but nobody cared back then.
@Flyon86
@Flyon86 2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately a lot of people that play games only care about newer releases. Once the new shiny thing comes out they completely forget about the stuff that came before.
@jeromethiel4323
@jeromethiel4323 2 ай бұрын
A lot of people cared, there just wasn't anything you could do about it, except not to buy. And that was never really an option.
@waverazor
@waverazor 2 ай бұрын
They still wouldn't care now, too many people only care about now. And want to just play now, then maybe they'll care about preservation later
@mpalmer22
@mpalmer22 2 ай бұрын
Maybe wearing the sandwich board with the doom of DRM spelled out, and running up to random people, waving your hands and yelling in their face was not the right way to do it.
@computernerd8157
@computernerd8157 2 ай бұрын
I did the same but I was told get with the time grandpa. We get the industry that the mass deserve.
@2Plus2isChicken2013
@2Plus2isChicken2013 2 ай бұрын
Another example of this happened to me recently. I bought a copy of Super Smash Bros. for the 3DS only to find out it wouldn't work. From what I read, it seems a system update made it where the game would no longer work on the system. I ended up returning the game to the store. 20-25 years ago we didn't have to worry about consoles and handhelds requiring system updates. All the games just work on those systems.
@trustytrest
@trustytrest Ай бұрын
If you go back far enough to when DOS, Amiga, ZX Spectrum were relevant, it could and still can be a headache to get them to work at all. Modern games at least fixed those issues mostly. But hey, the oldies are all still playable, while it's a dice toss for modern games.
@Bustermachine
@Bustermachine Ай бұрын
@@trustytrest The issue is that today, the problem is invented rather than product of an industry in its infancy.
@davidcomito505
@davidcomito505 18 күн бұрын
The worst is Steam will sell games that have DRM dead-ends.
@MiraiChiaki
@MiraiChiaki 22 күн бұрын
PC games are so weird. The old games that have DRM don’t work on the OS they were meant to run on, and those that don’t have DRM don’t work on modern OS
@tehpanda64
@tehpanda64 2 ай бұрын
The most hilarious part of DRM in the 2000s to me? The fact that many steam releases of these games are taken directly from pirates who cracked the originals. DRM is such a hassle that even the original publishers can't be bothered to pay devs to remove it.
@dwip7_7
@dwip7_7 2 ай бұрын
Rockstar
@medromard
@medromard 2 ай бұрын
Is that why there's a release of Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 on steam? I still have the disc version but I was so happy to see it on steam I actually paid full price for it.
@cellulanus
@cellulanus 2 ай бұрын
I almost forgot about product keys. I remember losing the product key for some of my games, but fortunately those didn't actually use a central server but rather just had a list of valid keys, so you could just use random keys from the internet. I also had a disk that was damaged and could no longer install, but would still validate the DRM. So I pirated a copy and just didn't download a crack.
@nighttimestalker
@nighttimestalker 18 күн бұрын
People who keep claiming disc mean you will always be able to play your game, need to see this
@-dmm
@-dmm 11 күн бұрын
I honestly do not like digital games. I understand digital is extremely convenient for both ends but damn physical copies is what a gamer is all about. Having the cool disc tray and stacking them up in your room and sharing it or trading it with friends.
@piratebear3126
@piratebear3126 2 ай бұрын
One of the first KZfaq videos I watched was LGR’s review of Darkspore, a single-player ARPG spin-off of Spore. Since it’s was EA, they structured it like an MMO, so it was never “patched” by fans and I never got to play it because I didn’t have Internet until it was already offline. There’s a reason teenagers are actively moving towards retro games. I do want to shout out Cyan Worlds, the guys who made Myst. They had an MMO-puzzle game called Uru Online in the 2000s, and after they had to take it offline they open sourced the servers and game for anyone to run their own servers. Incredibly cool of a developer to do, and anyone can still spin up an instance and play Uru Online today, along with making new content.
@doltBmB
@doltBmB 2 ай бұрын
the game looked shit but the art style and soundtrack was amazing, would be worth playing again just for that.
@JosephDavies
@JosephDavies 2 ай бұрын
Minor correction: Cyan Worlds has never open-sourced the server (and due to licensing, likely never will). They did open-source the client, but the servers are all written by us fans, and were made by reverse-engineering the protocol before the open-sourced client was even released. Cyan runs an official server themselves, kept running by fan donations, and the client running on that server is now based on the Open Source client with improvements and new content submitted by fans. There are also numerous fan servers as well. It is a great example of a company not letting the game die after their publisher pulled the plug on it.
@LoremIpsum1919
@LoremIpsum1919 12 күн бұрын
"teenagers are actively moving towards retro games." This is false.
@hi-friaudioman
@hi-friaudioman 2 ай бұрын
I agree 110% with everything you said. As a kid growing up in the late 90's/early 00's I've witnessed the sheer amount of greed in the games industry and witnessed the slow decline and death of gaming, but it's even worse, it's also music and movies/TV. Only difference is you can copy music/movies and TV, But without a risky, potentially malicious crack you cannot play or copy your games. And like you said as soon as those games went to online only they were running on borrowed time, with a guaranteed death sentence. Modern gaming is a disgrace. Not only do you lose your games and you don't get a box, manual, disc, etc.. but now games also release completely broken or unfinished with the promise of being better in the future... After you pay more money. That would've been inconceivable in the previous decades! No one would've bought the damn game if it came in a buggy, unfinished state. People would've returned it instantly or sued. In the previous decades buying a game meant you bought a fully-functional, fully playable, fully ownable game, that you could enjoy as long as you lived and it could even outlive you. Now some games are lucky to survive even a year! Insane to think about. We truly live in the generation of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" how dystopian and 1984 of us... And the bigger problem is that younger generations born into this can't be F*cked to care because they've been slowly taught to accept this and that it's normal. We don't know how good we had it, but we do know how absolutely warped and greedy the industry has become. It's truly heartbreaking to bear witness to.
@Blackadder75
@Blackadder75 2 ай бұрын
you are right, except in the 1990s ms-dos and windows games were already buggy at launch very often. I have a bookcase full of old PC and Amiga magazines from those years where the reviewers complain about the unplayable state of tons of games. So you are bit too optimistic here. However, if you bought the game a few months later you would usually get a working version, as the publishers had to update it fast or risk not selling much , from bad reviews, these magazines were the only source of info for most gamers , before the internet
@classicpctinker5070
@classicpctinker5070 2 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, I can't resist, but... Daggerfall. Good ol' Daggerfraud. True DOS gaming classic. Buggiest game I ever loved. First one I played with mountains of essential patches, and those were not practical to get without internet.
@ichrismoku
@ichrismoku 2 ай бұрын
Well said man. I've felt this way for at least a decade. I'm literally stuck on 360 / ps3 / old PC games because I plain refuse to shovel my hard earned money into black holes like games as a service such as these. There's just no love from the developers any more, it's pure toxic greed and I'm done with it.
@wumi2419
@wumi2419 2 ай бұрын
Well, games degrading to online only subscription/microtransaction based service is a logical conclusion of making games for profit, as that is currently the "best" (highest ROI) way to monetize games. Also, I don't know how widespread it was, but you likely heard of a horror from 00s: starforce. Modern DRMs just can't compare, and to be frank, good riddance.
@Olivia-W
@Olivia-W 2 ай бұрын
Support GOG. All GOG games are DRM free.
@robertvanhorn7278
@robertvanhorn7278 26 күн бұрын
Yo! I’m so glad you’re getting on board with Ross !
@davefultz5442
@davefultz5442 24 күн бұрын
The Okidata printer at end killed me lol great video sir!
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365
@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365 2 ай бұрын
Agreed. Not only should this be illegal, this should even be criminal. This is theft. This is fraud. And it's disgusting. So happy to see you put light on this issue that has bothered me for quite some time. And it's not just video games. It's software. It's hardware peripherals. It's happening to physical goods too, not just software. WE DON'T OWN ANYTHING ANYMORE, even after straight buying them.
@adrianocs4
@adrianocs4 2 ай бұрын
They know it is theft, sony is refunding "The crew" whenever asked after ubsoft delisted the game, just to escape the legal backlash that is coming.
@aemerox5773
@aemerox5773 Ай бұрын
One type of DRM is on the rise. It's in the form of AI DRM.
@themusesquad8554
@themusesquad8554 Ай бұрын
Ado for the PS4 just wait for the Stores to shut down for older consoles and see people lose thousands of dollars of games.
@vojtechadame5860
@vojtechadame5860 2 ай бұрын
That's also why I buy games on GOG. No DRM is awesome, I can archive games as I want. Sadly, GOG library doesnJt contain all games.
@blue_pingu
@blue_pingu 2 ай бұрын
I wish gog did something with its offline installers and made them easier to download. Having to download 20 4GB binary files to install cyberpunk is tedious. I think Galaxy can queue them but I use linux and thus have to use solutions not made by cdpr (Lutris allows me to queue and install offline installers)
@user-oj7uc8tw9r
@user-oj7uc8tw9r 2 ай бұрын
GOG still tries to force you thru the launcher system, makes features such as multiplayer unplayable without it, and many of the games in GOGs library are, as the name implies, old games that can already be bought second hand. The offline versions are often stuck at versions that dont have updates to fix bugs either. They should just go back to the way things were. Release the physical game and online patches.
@ChadVulpes
@ChadVulpes 2 ай бұрын
@@user-oj7uc8tw9r You missed a huge point in the video. Games being physical changes nothing because they can still contain an online DRM. Also, for all its faults, GOG is still the best option we have and is still measurably better for game preservation on PC than any other storefront currently available.
@user-oj7uc8tw9r
@user-oj7uc8tw9r 2 ай бұрын
@@ChadVulpes I didnt miss a huge point at all. That is pretty much what I said. What is the point of preserving a buggy, unpatched version? Yeah its better, but it suffers from the same problems. Digital storefronts are the problem. Physical actually changes a lot because it prevents publishers from forcing you to buy a game at a certain place and it gives you a fighting chance to revive the game because all the files are on the media in theory.
@DavidPereiraLima123
@DavidPereiraLima123 2 ай бұрын
@@user-oj7uc8tw9r GOG can't solve the issue for all IPs, some copyright holders are just cancer. Go easy on GOG.
@RageJ
@RageJ 2 ай бұрын
It's insane that guild wars released in 2005, with no sub fee's and you can still play that original trilogy on those exact same original accounts.
@Lowlightt
@Lowlightt 2 ай бұрын
Fuck them. NCsoft closed down city of heroes to get an extra couple of servers for Guildwars 2.
@thenothinguploader
@thenothinguploader 2 ай бұрын
im still playing that game! i no longer have my old account but bought the trilogy over steam last year and that worked out great
@BigFrakkinOgre
@BigFrakkinOgre 2 ай бұрын
LF Runner to Droks Good times
@thoronirgros188
@thoronirgros188 2 ай бұрын
I'm still sad I got my account pirated in 2010. Lots of good memories of GW.
@vaniog29
@vaniog29 2 ай бұрын
Well... Guild wars 2 is paying for that. If by chance that GW2 dies or GW3 ends up not as successful I'd start worrying.
@ffmaniac4480
@ffmaniac4480 22 күн бұрын
You can sill play these old games. Cracking FTW. These game companies don't deserve our money.
@SuperIcarusman
@SuperIcarusman 6 күн бұрын
Hey, this video just made me subscribe; Ive had the same thoughts for the last 20 years, good work 👍
@andrasszabo7386
@andrasszabo7386 2 ай бұрын
Crack these single player games. That is the ONLY solution. Or find a solution to be able to sue the game companies because they have stolen money from the people buying them.
@gogereaver349
@gogereaver349 2 ай бұрын
they settle pay everyone 2$ and keep doing it.
@OzzyTheGiant
@OzzyTheGiant 2 ай бұрын
Sorry but you agreed to the terms upon purchase. Read the fine print! Yes they are sucky terms but law is law. That's not holding up in court
@DreamyAbaddon
@DreamyAbaddon 2 ай бұрын
@@OzzyTheGiant Laws can change tho.
@KonglomeratYT
@KonglomeratYT 2 ай бұрын
@@DreamyAbaddon And they should change the law, but hearing someone complain about something they agreed is like hearing a child throw a tantrum. It's hypocritical to both buy a game and agree to these terms, and then throw a fit about the terms. I don't understand how parents failed to correct this behavior at an early age. None of these complainers would ever survive my mother.
@dotgone
@dotgone 2 ай бұрын
@@KonglomeratYT You should probably keep up with the times. Check out all of the work Louis Rossman does showing how frequently corporations are pushing updates bricking software/hardware if you refuse to accept the new terms. So you buy a product -> use product -> there's an update that says you can't sue them or they can sell all of your data > you say no > you no longer have product. And if you were to buy said product, you wouldn't even be able to see those terms before opening the box and setting things up and installing. You're choosing the wrong hill to well actually people on, the future is looking real bad right now.
@emdotrod
@emdotrod 2 ай бұрын
Thank God for cracking scene
@jimiphillips1170
@jimiphillips1170 2 ай бұрын
a shame we have to resort to that but at least its an option
@emdotrod
@emdotrod 2 ай бұрын
​@@jimiphillips1170it's legally questionable but at least it's preserved
@AJ-po6up
@AJ-po6up 2 ай бұрын
It's only questionable if you didn't pay for the game otherwise I'd say you're totally entitled to hacking your games and making them playable forever on whatever hardware you have. There's no shame in it. If devs and publishers don't care about you or their games then why should you.
@theoriginaltoadnz
@theoriginaltoadnz 2 ай бұрын
@@AJ-po6up Yes agree strongly on this. But what if a game is marketed cheap say $4.99 but is provided as SaaS then are you paying for a lease on the game but never actually own it so don't have the right to crack it for future use when the auth servers don't exist? Is this where it's all headed, so everyone will just play games via login terminal, via a browser?
@piscikeeper673
@piscikeeper673 2 ай бұрын
The base Sacred game (without Underworld) uses a disk check for drm. The problem is that the drm version won't work on a 64 bit cpu, even though the game runs perfectly fine. Before they went bankrupt, I got approval from Ascaron to post in the forums about using a no-cd crack as a workaround. When Deep Silver took over, they started deleting my posts. Sad since at the time, adding the Underworld expansion solved the 32 bit drm issue and Sacred 2 had already been released.
@albratgaming2348
@albratgaming2348 22 күн бұрын
Sim City - 2013 - A game that honest people could not play. All the Pirates were playing online on the official servers using cracked versions that bypassed the Auth system. EA took a few days to sort the issue. but single player pirates enjoyed the game. Customers could not play.
@Marco-cl9pb
@Marco-cl9pb Ай бұрын
A phisical copy of Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon, so cool
@GenericSweetener
@GenericSweetener 2 ай бұрын
I love video games as an experience, but I respect them as a massive collection of human effort. There is something disgusting about taking the distillation of years of peoples lives and tossing it in the bin for the sake of profit
@trivalentclan-mizar9591
@trivalentclan-mizar9591 2 ай бұрын
One of the DRMs is documented to kill CD/DVD drives, the company denies it of course, but my DVD drive died after playing that game. The problem was attempting to read sector 0, if I remember correctly.
@kraosdadafusfus8034
@kraosdadafusfus8034 2 ай бұрын
StarForce. There's a damn good reason a lot of people hated those Russian fraudsters.
@sexyguy3647
@sexyguy3647 2 ай бұрын
Starforce?
@AliciaGuitar
@AliciaGuitar Ай бұрын
What game? Why not name it?
@kraosdadafusfus8034
@kraosdadafusfus8034 Ай бұрын
​@@AliciaGuitar The DRM is called StarForce. I dunno what happened to my comment above, but this is the DRM he refers to. It's completely incompatible with modern HDDs and SSDs, as it attempts to block SATA drives from functioning. StarForce's developers were infamous for attempting to force people to use their DRM. They once posted a pirate site link to a GalCiv 2 torrent after Stardock rebuffed them. Among the games that had StarForce were Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, GT Legends, Xpand Rally, and pre-2.0 versions of X3: Reunion.
@JagtigerSA
@JagtigerSA 11 күн бұрын
@@kraosdadafusfus8034 Here is the list of more games protected by Starforce I know of, usually released in russian region: Blitzkrieg 2 and The I of The Dragon.
@silverdamascus2023
@silverdamascus2023 17 күн бұрын
Don't forget that nowadays, there are many physical games that do not require internet to be played, but you still need internet to play the good version of the game, either to download DLC, or fix a game that was full of glitches at launch. Games often have a patch to fix glitches since Day 1.
@1eyedwilli3
@1eyedwilli3 17 күн бұрын
If you don’t own the games you buy, then pirating them isn’t theft
@DavidPereiraLima123
@DavidPereiraLima123 2 ай бұрын
Having fully set-up ready to go multiple period correct machines on dedicated space is so cool.
@BrentRWong242
@BrentRWong242 2 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@theTF2sniper
@theTF2sniper 2 ай бұрын
Pretty sure you would love my retro game room, got pretty much every popular console from 1977-2001 hooked up to a big widescreen CRT, few switches to flick and your ready to play whatever.
@BrentRWong242
@BrentRWong242 2 ай бұрын
@@theTF2sniper You're right. In the meantime, I will be at a local retro-gamer event on May 5th. Keep preserving the game culture!
@JohnDoe-zx9ul
@JohnDoe-zx9ul 27 күн бұрын
waste of space, money and horrible for the environment.
@theTF2sniper
@theTF2sniper 26 күн бұрын
@@JohnDoe-zx9ul thanks for sharing your opinion
@stevenduhaime1484
@stevenduhaime1484 2 ай бұрын
Tech tangents really living up to the name on this one. You’re right, the way modern games and even games consoles become obsolete because they can’t phone home is crap.
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 2 ай бұрын
As he said it's been an issue since the 2000s. One game I love, Dirt 2, is impossible to play outside of Piracy just because of Windows For Live
@RizzyWow
@RizzyWow 23 күн бұрын
As a Mac user. The Half Life (and games around that time) series is impossible to play. Those games are 32bit and Mac no longer supports 32 bit software and steam on Mac no longer support any macOS versions that support 32 bit. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
@Varangian_af_Scaniae
@Varangian_af_Scaniae Ай бұрын
Every game released should send a version DRM free to the library of congress. Written and recorded media is preserved that way, why not gaming media?!?
@obsoletebutneat
@obsoletebutneat 2 ай бұрын
The gaming version of 'You Will Own Nothing, And Like It.'
@lucasrem
@lucasrem 2 ай бұрын
All my old EA, Steam and Rockstar games, Bethesda, are in the cloud now, same key ! This guy ?
@TheMsr47gaming
@TheMsr47gaming 2 ай бұрын
​@@lucasrem😢 I am that you chose to do hard drugs, CAUSE WTF DID YOU EVEN TYPE?
@balsalmalberto8086
@balsalmalberto8086 2 ай бұрын
@@lucasrem You need to get checked for brain damage
@reucrion4719
@reucrion4719 2 ай бұрын
I have photos of me finding a copy of the Sims Online being sold on a physical shelf, unsold, as of 2022. They finally removed it during renovations, or somehow sold it when I returned in 2023. the game died in 2008. I used to shop there all the time as a child for games, as it was the only place in the entire town that sold them there. I saw that copy of the game sitting there from 2005 till 2022, they also had a copy of Zoo Tycoon 2 there until around 2023,
@chefboi5809
@chefboi5809 Ай бұрын
U got a subscriber man! Love your passion and amount of detail
@ADayinMyLife
@ADayinMyLife Ай бұрын
Before your explanation of spore, I was going to comment that I had done the same thing just a couple months ago. Ea was really good about giving me another key. It helps to have the original key and box to prove that you own it.
@Illegiblescream
@Illegiblescream 2 ай бұрын
I loved how pausing didn’t take you to a menu, but actually pulled your character into a sanctuary where you could walk around, rearm, and observe your treasury.
@EXbobomb
@EXbobomb 2 ай бұрын
Legally questionable third party tools from sketchy websites are my favourite kind of party tools.
@estroRin
@estroRin 3 күн бұрын
One of my favorite PC game examples of this exact thing is Postal III has had done recently, both physical and the old steam versions used some garbage online server DRM that just stopped working and you needed to use a weird sketchy website to get a key that would end up making it so you could play the game, but what happened is Running With Scissors took the time and PATCHED the Steam version with the DRM-Free patch that existed on a different digital platform and now the game is playable again, sadly nothing could probably be done with the physical copies and you still need that weird work around.
@GameTacoFTW
@GameTacoFTW 18 күн бұрын
Great points and i agree whole heartedly. It sucks we dont own games we buy. It sucks where the industry is heading.
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