Intel and AMD will definitely have their share of the market. TSMC is at max capacity and investing in other semiconductor companies will be an absolute power move, I keep increasing my shares manageably. Different chips are good at different things and Nvidia has been very specialised, which leaves other aspects of Al open.

At 95, I have witnessed technological progress to date. It has been exciting. But this AI stuff is going to make tech progress go exponential. I'm a bean picker and what worries me is I've already seen a machine that picks strawberries, picking only those that are ripe for picking. It is mind boggling. Hopefully, I'll be able to watch AI mature from above (I hope).

He is smart enough to know that at 26 he doesn't know much. At 35 this guy will be a Behemoth~!!!

Captivated by the interview, couldn’t even speed watch it or skip it. Interviewer was really good at asking good discussion and intelligent questions that prompt detailed and thoughtful responses. Furthermore, letting the interviewee (Alexander Wang) speak freely without interruption and let the conversation flow naturally. It was a very intellectually stimulating discussion about all things AI and the way that Scale AI and Alexander Wang fit into the bigger picture and the global perspectives. Feeling inspired and a sense of admiration! Really appreciate the good content.

This guy is both insanely intelligent and wise, you can tell he’s as much philosophical as he is technical. I would bet on this guy to be a future Jensen or Bezos.

It is rare that tech guys can talk that well.

I love the way he is talking about the concepts. Respect for this young BIllionaire not only for his achievements but also for his world view. Respect !

It’s been very hard to find in depth discussions with tech industry leaders, so it was great to stumble on this channel yesterday. Great interview Logan and Alexandr.

For such a young man, how he articulates and intellectualizes his answers like a 40 year old is amazing to see.

Great conversation. Alexandr Wang knows what’s he’s talking about.

What an absolutely BRILLIANT young man. The depth and breadth of Alexandr Wang's knowledge, insight, and expertise and the connections he makes across such seemingly-disparate fields (probably owing to his embrace of neurodivergence and "being weird") reminds me of myself and how I like to think about technology, the world, and our place in the Universe. Alex is gonna go on to do great things for humanity. I also enjoy the violin myself, although I'm extremely rusty and no longer any better than a middle schooler.

The whole company is founded on outsourcing human labeling to third world country, paying them $1/hr. Silicon sweatshop

🎯Course outline for quick navigation: [00:00-12:45]1. Ai, data, and scale in technology -[01:29-01:57]Data will be the main lever for economic power over the next few decades, not a commodity like oil. -[03:23-03:54]Data is the building block of our technological lives, with tensorflow democratizing deep learning and neural networks. -[06:27-06:54]Scale played a crucial role in refining data for autonomous cars, collecting huge amounts of footage and sensor data. -[11:19-11:40]Scaled data engine powers every leading llm in the industry today. [12:45-24:12]2. Ai's economic impact and potential -[14:42-15:19]Enterprises can enhance base models with proprietary data to create unique and differentiated capabilities. -[17:08-17:31]Discover potential uses for ai by cataloging unique data assets and considering mental models. -[18:53-19:14]Ai's societal impact and productivity gains are projected to surpass past tech trends. -[20:09-21:09]Technology can unlock productivity, with software and it services accounting for about 10% of us gdp. -[21:11-21:42]Ai has potential to 10x productivity, efficiency, and consumer benefits in $16 trillion gdp healthcare and financial services sectors. -[22:02-22:38]Ai models improving at an unprecedented rate, shaping the next two to three decades. [24:13-31:10]3. Ai's impact on economy and security -[24:13-25:12]Ai models have undergone a significant 1000x scale up, with expectations of another 100x in the next 2-3 years, leading to an increase in spending from millions to billions, and the potential for powerful impact on economic and hard power. -[25:30-25:59]Chatbot technology will fundamentally change military power balance globally for the next 50 years. -[26:57-27:22]Global challenge: detecting ai use in cyber attacks is difficult -[28:01-28:23]Us leadership in technology can be a deterrent to other countries, as seen with atomic and nuclear weapons. -[28:52-29:21]Ai misuse by authoritarian countries or terrorist groups poses the most real risk to humanity. [31:11-38:06]4. Ai's global impact -[31:33-31:55]Ai models will quickly become huge investments, ranging from hundreds of millions to hundreds of billions of dollars. -[33:39-34:19]Ai models may dominate conversations, with people spending over half their time talking to models. the automation of jobs through ai is evolving, with models excelling in unexpected areas. this shift is driven by data availability. -[36:04-36:33]Data and compute are limiting factors, with 100% of high-end gpus manufactured in taiwan. [38:06-56:31]5. Ai's geopolitical impact -[38:34-39:17]Human experts will become a bottleneck for model improvement, impacting industry supply chains. -[40:06-40:36]Nvidia trades at a higher multiple than tsmc due to higher margins, while tsmc faces geopolitical risk. -[52:02-52:32]China spends 1-2% of its budget on ai, while us spends 0.1-0.2%. -[53:34-54:04]Open dialogue among countries on technology is crucial for stability and progress. [56:31-01:10:17]6. Ai data infrastructure & amazon's operational excellence -[56:48-57:29]Worked with white house and defcon on public model evaluations. clear regulations and opt-in needed for ai technology. -[57:54-58:26]Neural networks and ai are becoming ubiquitous, leading to a surprising hunger for new data. -[01:00:02-01:00:24]Vast resources needed for ai, with millions to billions used for model training. -[01:00:46-01:01:15]Operational excellence drives tech surplus and value at amazon. -[01:01:57-01:02:23]Marrying operational complexity with technology breakthroughs to drive industry forward. -[01:03:44-01:04:11]Aws is the main driver of amazon's value and market cap today. -[01:04:31-01:05:04]Investors bet on company execution, but top companies thrive on continuous reinvention. nvidia exemplifies this with decades of success in selling gaming and graphics chips. -[01:06:02-01:07:24]The key to making money on investments is a company's ability to reinvent itself culturally and scale, focusing on meritocracy and empowering junior employees. [01:10:17-01:20:10]7. Hiring traits and work ethic -[01:11:22-01:11:50]Clear dichotomy in people's mindset, preferring to work with those showing internal locus of control and strong dedication. -[01:12:11-01:12:56]Quantifying how much people care, looking for internal locus of control in hiring. -[01:13:28-01:14:27]Emphasizing the importance of high standards, collaboration, and avoiding prestige bias in hiring in silicon valley. -[01:13:35-01:14:07]High bar for impressiveness, collaboration as north stars, led organization far, perspective distortion in silicon valley -[01:14:57-01:15:21]Large tech companies prioritize brand, while small startups offer opportunity for big impact. -[01:16:20-01:16:42]Value hardworking, less experienced people in the company. -[01:18:08-01:18:32]Expressing a strong point of view attracts like-minded talent, fostering a positive culture and high talent group. -[01:19:11-01:19:32]Enterprises need to maintain identity to innovate. scaling is not a cool business. [01:20:10-01:31:36]8. Addressing unsexy problems and integrating taste and passion in ai and business -[01:20:10-01:20:36]Focusing on significant ai problems, scale has built a committed team. -[01:20:57-01:21:31]Spaces with natural light can significantly impact thinking and quality of thought. -[01:21:31-01:21:56]Clear goals and structured day for maximum productivity are key. -[01:22:38-01:23:09]In business, quantifiable data is limited, decisions often rely on instinct. -[01:24:07-01:24:43]Ceo alexander wang developed taste from physicist parents, shaping leadership style. -[01:25:47-01:26:07]During the hiring process, scale assesses candidates' passion for the company by asking them why they are interviewing at scale, and evaluates the quality of their answer based on its obscurity. -[01:30:54-01:31:26]Ai can provide access to healthcare, potentially extending global lifespan. offered by Coursnap

Technology put most people out of work from hunting and gathering. Technology put most people out of work from farming. Technology put most people out of work from mining. Technology put most people out of work from horse raising and metal smithing. Technology put most people out of work from industrial production. Yet, there is still work for everyone who wants to work.

What a treat! Can't get enough of these insider perspectives on AI. Fascinating to see how those at the forefront of this epoch defining revolution are handling it. "There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen"--Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.

These are exciting times... you were not born for someone else's history... you were born to keep it moving by embracing the spirit of the ancestors... you are living in such a time as this for a reason maybe only for a season...spread your wings and FLY...we are doing that too...❤👀👂👂✨❤

The sophistication of the kid’s thinking is more than most people folds of his age. Impressive.

Incredible and engaging interview, thank you both for recording and sharing this.

The interviewer, Logan Bartlett, is asking equally good questions relevant to the answers. What a wonderful 1.5 hours~! A side notes away from AI, the 4 hiring criteria for Scale are (1) people with internal locus of control, (2) a good problem solver, (3) people who can appreciate, or impressive as Wang explained, can admire someone hence trying to excel it... I am putting words in, we should view the original here ... (4) collaborative people.

Well spoken coherent young man. Seems like the real deal.

This speaker has being the most informative and has a clear way of explaining of AI , its effect , it’s future just simple clear answers I specifically agreed that math and social / intuition , music also needs to be taken into consideration. Best balance for person. Being weird is being open being you asking the question that no one does and not being affected by what others think of u.

So empowering and uplifting to have had listened to you both;thank you.

Amazing conversation, thank you for letting Alex talk so much without interrupting. Well done.

amazing interview, Alexander is inspiring person honestly speaking.

I'm glad he's on our side. This kid is a genius.

A true test for AGI would be the following prompt : "Name one rare fact that cannot be found anywhere online. Then give proof of how you came about this fact." Sure, I can help with that. One rarely known fact not found online is....

Great interview thank you! Kind of remarkable how advanced Alexandr Wang's thoughts are on so many different topics for his age. Obviously he's brilliant, but I suspect it also shines a light on how much good training data (mentorship, practice, etc.) can accelerate a person's development. I was surprised they didn't cover synthetic training data especially given results like Orca 2.

Kurt Vonnegut wrote a book about a world without labor. Machines did all the work. AI computers controlled all of it. Citizens were paid a basic income and were consumers. It wasn't all about making money. That is our future.

This is a must-view for anyone working in tech today. Subscribed.

40:47 there's a cut on NVIDIA & TSMC, is there a way to see the whole convo?

Wow. A podcast host who isn't obsessed with their own voice. Well hosted. Alexander is unicorn. What a mind!

Thank you for this great interview. I wonder what Wang would say to the recent OpenAI rumours of synthetic data. The latter seems to be an attempt at reliance on human's in the loop for data preparation. Of course, it is almost in the same breath mentioned that, synthetic data must have its roots in human data...our knowledge currently is finite, but maybe in the future the AGI's will even invent their own language for definining their own data...back to the real world: if synthetic data has been cracked at OpenAI it seems that it would in the medium term undermine the business case of Scale AI....as I resumed the video @17:27 Wang actually elaborates on synthetic data...i.e. an AGI that is able to produce data of quality.

Hi guys, I am a very curious elderly person at my 76 years. The subject matter being discussed is mine boggling for me to comprehend. I am wondering if this genius young man can solve one very grave problem we are presently facing. We now have the subject of Climate change that is causing great hardship for humanities due to many demand on new compliance from the norm of our past way of life. Businesses are suffering due to restrictions on usage of using fossil fuel , demand on green living etc. I wonder if you can get a speaker who can use Ai to confirm if This Climate Initiative a big scam to take destroy the world Economic. There is also a need to enlighten the world population on the WEF Depopulation Agenda. To kill off 80% of world population. Please solve this mystery of how we have arrive at this situation where our life and livelihood are constantly threatened. Thank you for listening.

Met Alexandr. Amazing dude he is.

this is a great interview with Sam Bankman Fried Jr.

We need for pension plans to engage AI, to determine how to prevent defunding them. Maybe create an open source AI, OWNED BY PENSIONERS THAT SETS UP MODELS OF GROUP OWNERSHIP TO HELP SPREAD OUT THE MONEY. BUT MIDT IMPORTANT IS TO BAN AUTONOMOUS WEAPONS.

Amazing show. 1st time watching love the way you let your guest just talk and finish B4 you speak. Also well research questions and approach and flow to next segment 👍

It would be good to require these AI geniuses to have a mandatory requirement to serve as a presidential advisor or as president for so many years (a social tax or draft). They would get it right so much better than the jokers we re voting for or against

What a fantastic conversation, please keep bringing new Entrepreneurs with new tech startups

Ngokuzayo ngibona i-Scale AI isatshalaliswa ezimotweni ezincane futhi abantu abaningi bangathola enye yaleyo sosi. Ngizoba ngomunye walabo bantu eminyakeni emibili kuya kwemithathu ngicabanga.

What did I come away from with this? He has a father who is a physicist and a mother who is an astro-physicist. While he is a college dropout from a computing course. Also I wonder how far he got with playing the violin and if he still plays.

He is spot on that healthcare is one of the most important areas to develop real world breakthroughs in helping humanity. Of course one of the biggest hurtles is changing the goals of the medical industrial complex to an actual preventative model as apposed to the after the fact treatment of symptoms, which of course garners them great sums of fiat. I suspect AI would be far more pro active and moral in those regards.

Brilliant conversation from beginning to end. I was particularly interested in the very end where Alex talks about the potential for AI in healthcare. To my mind telemedicine is the future and living in the Philippines , source of so many healthcare workers around the world., I believe this is an area the government should be focusing on developing. Owning a leadership on healthcare data is a key to that country’s future.

This is legit, as a fellow AI optimist working in the field I totally agree

Wang is genus honest Young man

This interview is such a gem. His understanding of AI is so deep and insightful.

43:30 🌐 Scaling and Speed of AI Democratization The challenge in AI democratization involves scaling and speed. Turing Trap concept challenges the traditional view of AI replacing humans in the workforce. AI's impact is more about hybrid human-AI systems and nuanced interactions, creating economic value. 47:40 🌏 Geopolitical Battle in Artificial Intelligence AI has become a global imperative, with various countries investing heavily. China's clear-eyed approach to AI's impact on military capabilities. The question of whether AI catalyzes China's overtaking the US or helps the US maintain global stability. 52:11 🚀 AI Spending Disparity: China vs. US China's substantial spending (1-2% of the budget) on AI compared to the US (0.1-0.2%). The risk of the US falling behind in AI breakthroughs due to underinvestment. Implications of disproportionate spending on global power dynamics. 53:21 🌐 Importance of Global Cooperation in AI The necessity of a global dialogue to avoid opaque developments in AI. Intrinsic value in countries collaborating to discuss and shape AI's future. Emphasizing the need to consider geopolitical risks alongside technological advancements. 54:55 🛡 Government's Role in AI Regulation The cautious approach to AI regulation due to its early stage. Importance of preventing misuse and ensuring consumer and citizen safety. The need for proper testing and evaluation regimes to determine AI system readiness. 57:27 💡 Founding Insight of Scale: Scaling AI with Growing Data Needs The founding insight: Anticipating exponential growth in AI requiring vast data infrastructure. The surprising growth in data demand exceeding initial expectations. The role of data infrastructure in meeting the challenges posed by neural networks. 01:02:15 🔄 Parallel Execution and Operational Excellence Borrowing from Amazon's approach: Architecting problems for parallel execution. The importance of minimizing dependencies to enable independent bets. Aligning with Amazon's philosophy of marrying operational complexity with technology breakthroughs. 01:02:56 🔄 Random Discovery Driving Market Cap: Amazon's AWS Example Highlighting the unpredictability of events driving market value, using AWS as an example. The contrast between investor focus on short-term predictability and long-term continuous reinvention. Examples of companies like Amazon and Nvidia benefitting from unexpected strategic shifts.

"If data is the new oil, then scale is the refinery." Alexandr Wang

It’s a very big leap to believe enterprise is just going to allow proprietary data to be mined by these companies based on the value prop of ‘share or die’.

power seems to be going hard to soft to smart (where making the better decisions on how+where+when to apply power is more important than the amount)

Large organizations have been accumulating mountains of data/info over the years, lots being 37:06 already electronic. Gold mines are out there but barely tapped. It seems AI is about to come on the scene and sort through the info. That will bring American economy to a whole new level. Go, Alec.

If all of you read the fine print and understand the technology, you would know his company created a remote work platform that pays less than 1 cent per data annotation which is less than 1 dollar per hour if you move your mouse quick like a robot. In addition, this work are continuously replacing by AI. The logic is once 20% of the data is labeled by human, which is enough data to train the machine learning algorithm to replace human data annotator. Thus, his company's business model is to take advantage of country like India, Venezuela, Philippines and Africa, and provide labeled or cleaned data sets to AI companies to train. There is very little data privacy and security method to prevent your data leaked to other country. Therefore, there is nothing proud about what he do, because here are many companies do the same thing but with high ethic and human right consideration.

Isn’t what he is doing the same as what Amazon Bedrock is offering from AWS? What exactly is the difference with scale AI?

I have 3 daughters whom they all play piano or many instruments, I like those music reminds those days company with them practice or recital times.

I am optimistically cautious. I saw the Internet bubble. One of my biggest concerns about AI is to be abused by bad actors.

I wonder what he said at 40:36 about Taiwan that got edited out?

I have to disagree with one point, subtlety. There was a time when chess engines got stronger than people, but people could still do some things better. So there was this short period where there was this collaboration. It was short! Very short! The engines just blew past that stage. I think that will be a short period, in the rest of reality as well. The only thing that will be holding it back is the state of robotics, and that may accelerate rapidly as well. Well, and human bias in favor of other humans. They will probably have to put in the intros of movies "live human actors." to try to make people want to see the movie. We are going to see the greatest attack on meritocracy we have ever seen, as AI outperforms in everything, and people resent and intentionally fail to appreciate the elegance, quality, imagination, thoughtfulness, general excellence and refinement that will go into every AI creation. And the fact is that the majority of chess fans still follow the achievements of human chess grandmasters, rather than following the battles between chess engines. At the same time, the influence of the engines on modern play is massive. We could just become a bunch of askers, rather than doers. Hopefully our future will be more interesting than that.

Bro this channel is so underated I think you should spend more value in thumbnail

Imagine the idea that governments can tax AI companies so they can provide UBI. They’ll just hide in other jurisdictions like they’ve always done

I think they did a great job w

Thank you for this.

Alex, great stuff!!! 👌

Will "work" become optional to live, rather than compulsory? Massive increases in productivity may create a situation where, as a society, a very small percentage of workers produce more than the society wants to consume.

Palantir's products will be the architecture the data problems.

Thank you for you great work man 👍

I really resonate with his point about interviewing candidates with a passion for why they are there....yet, unless the company his small like his, you most likely are hitting drones who are far removed and not similarly passionate. I interviewed with a medtech company where I was beyond passionate, and gave such an answer, and when I asked the interviewer (who never showed any), her reason was very superficial. I thought it was a joke.

how do you think AI will impact stock investment, whales, hedge funds, retail investors, and the stability and trust (or lack thereof thats been built into those markets and movers globally?

My fourth or fifth question to Alexandr.... are you or your company (Scale) working with the DoD on any AI projects..?

Nice story Tony. I always love your stories.

There are many kinds of Oil depending on their viscosity API gravity. That was the problem. It was Rockefeller the one than standardize the oil with the creation of standard Oil. Something similar happens today with batteries. Someone one day will standardize the power and the business model will take of

Ima hooked on the phonics

Damn, at 26, I didn't know where I left my diper

Very insightful. Thank you for sharing

The idea that more technology empowers people to create new industries and different jobs instead of eliminating jobs is not something that can scale up or continue forever, as people are finite beings with only so much time and energy capable of outputting and receiving only so much each day. Each new industry has been running on the finite resource of people's time and energy. In the words of Techlead, we live in an attention economy where your functional app is competing against TikTok for viewing time. You can have people doing useless jobs forever, but that would be a dystopian future where most people are not allowed freedom from labor just because traditionally humans had to do this type of activity in the past.

Starting the video with a bass boom is a bad idea. People have to adjust their volume initially, because audio levels of videos are all different.

His net worth is a lovely bit of accounting but not actual in any sense until there is an IPO or a buyout.

Fascinating discussion.

This was fking amazing

superb! interview with a legend i admire, subscribed.

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HOW CAN A MACHINE BE EVER CREATIVE, HAVE FEELINGS AND BE CONSCIOUS /OR BE WISE AND LOVE? (instead humans can be robots - and be unconscious ... look around.) this guy is just good in LINEAR THINKINKG...

how could you invite him over and not ask a question about the the impact and job market, the potential massive disruption and job elimination and impact on overall economy ?

How can it be “thoughtful” and “discerning”?

please tell the next things from you to Mr.Wang. 我想發展水產養殖業.🙏

Nice video. Thank you for your video

Takeaway: Design for productive spaces 👍🏾

I hope America will not destroy his company for being Asian or Chinese for that matter.

Thank you for the content!! All we need is the right advice on how to invest in crypto and we will be set for life, I made over a million dollars from trading this year regardless of the market conditions😊

Pandoraaaa's box?

Great talk. AGI will help usher in Blockchain AI layer that then will usher in decentralized autonomous entities that will make the corporation obsolete undaodu papers.

Finished the whole video. It struck me how even the 'umms' and pauses felt scripted, both the questions and answers. Like watching a play where every hesitation is rehearsed. Misses the vibe of a real conversation. I'll have to run it through a summary tool, to see what I missed while my mind kept wandering off to more interesting things...,, brilliant guy though!

Wow Alex is intelligent. If we can have a model more intelligent than Alex in future then Ai would be great

Great podcast. Only criticism i had is that the questions, although well researched, came across as very robotic and scripted. Would of been nice for you to break out into some off-the-cuff conversation every once in a while.

Is it true of what this guy said all llms today is effectively powered by Scale's data engine?

We don't want instability - but for those countries who do - this will be used for chaos

Education is important!

the way he laughed at "two particle accelerators" HE HAS 2 FUCKING PARTICLE ACCELERATORS.....

this guy is the next Sam

Very interesting.

SpaceX did the same thing with Starlink as Amazon did with AWS