Drake is another Herbert/Love a team like the redskins will destroy and ruin him like they did Howell(Seahawks fleeced them). But a team like the Patriots will unlock everything in him and could very well be back to a contender sooner than later. Jayden will be a massive bust and injury prone with the redskins I guarantee that he takes hits no QB should and is lighter than Bust Young.

great talents cant overcome terrible coaching

Football IQ does not exist

we need the jayden daniels film

shut up AI analyst

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@@logannewberger9112???

@@Chris1200923he probably saying “right on the nose”

@@peopleknowme1714 oh okay i actually fw that. good catch man

I have a perfect example of this because not only are those variables there for me to link videos to, but every analyst prefers to continue overlooking them. So the measurables are there, readily available yet everyone avoids looking at 'em? Yeah. Here we go. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdmGpZaVtrO5qps.html is one of a series made by someone obsessed with a team, so they try to take into account the variables making their QB look bad. A perfect example is how the Bears' o-line is rated around mid-level in protecting the run. What even he fails to point out though is that Every Positive Run is added to the o-line's production. Even if that run is the end result of busted pass coverage. Fields is elevating his o-line every time he evades sacks & they get the credit. At 22:45 of kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fM-ZfpViu-Ctj6M.html we see why he needs to. One player smashes into his own teammate avoiding his own block & taking another off of his. While this isn't typical, the LT simply ignoring the existence of edge rushers occurs Every Game. So the Bears regularly *force* Fields to have to run on passing plays. Through _their play-calling._ This was evident when, after he suddenly started doing what appeared to eb Spacing Out & not throwing to open receivers. Everyone knew what was up the instant the Bears didn't take him into concussion protocol: the only possible way they could have _known_ Fields wasn't concussed was if he was executing the plays As Called. Fan reaction confirmed this. Everyone said that this was the team Simplifying The Offense for Fields. So Everyone At First Acknowledged That this was deliberate play-calling. Then when people realized that this narrative implicated the Bears' coaching in deliberately sabotaging Fields, this narrative was dropped. & while another false one replaced it, the only way to Never Admit We Saw It was to never look at the play-calling again. So everyone refuses to. Alex here included. & what was that second narrative? "Fields can't read defenses." Well what do you know? _That_ one was debunked kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9uYiMV6uNTWaKc.html before he ever took a snap in the NFL. This _exacerbates_ people's desire to turn a blind eye. See, this all *_required that_* You The Fans consciously turn a blind eye to the play-calling in regards to fields. As a result, y'all feel a twinge of guilt by looking at it in regards to any QB. So you all avoid it repeatedly so as not to trigger that twinge. Good luck assessing anyone while avoiding going through all the steps necessary to do so.

There were also six quarterbacks drafted ahead of Tom Brady. I don't know if you've heard of that guy, but some people say he was pretty good.

Dude I always see your comments for years now I almost always agree with what you say to lol

Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Mark Brunell and Jeff Garcia in the 90s/00s alone. It just shows NFL puts far too much stock into hype, alum and potential instead of fundamentals like footwork, anticipation and reading coverages. Which is why we ended up with guys like Zach Wilson, Trey lance, Jamarcus Russell and Matt leinart who couldn’t do any of those fundamental stuff.

@@ers-cd5ln I was just about to comment this. I see this dude's comments on damn near every sport-related video I watch

Please slob on Purdy’s nuts harder, dude is the epitome of a system qb. He is not a bad qb by any means, but he is a game manager not game changer dont talk about him like he is on the same level as like Mahomes, Josh allen or Lamar Jackson. He is not even Trevor Lawrence level

And what pick did Mahomes go and who picked him to have him sit a year behind Smith?

@@RampioreRegis 16th to the Lakers

@@RampioreRegis Patrick Mahomes shouldn't have been a first round pick if he had no footwork

@@andrebryant5081 I gotta be honest just go watch Mahomes in college. His arm was even more impressive cuz his legs were basically never in his throws & he had awful drop backs.

Word, Maye's feet are planted and it's a good throw. Bad example of his footwork hating spree. I think the coaches at UNC are trash cause Howell had the same issue with footwork and moving to the side after dropping back and creating his own pressure. Maye will be a Commander and hopefully the King can teach him how to play real ball

True but that should also be a layup for a QB. He should set that ball down perfectly in his hands. Notice how the WR basically has to jump at the ball to make an attempt. This is not ideal. When you have Jerry rice, Chris Carter, OBJ, Justin Jefferson, cooper kupp, Antonio brown etc it will work but what about when you have kadarius toney, Valdez scantling, aghlor, sanu, Ginn, etc 😂

@@mikehatten5738that’s 100% WR fault for trying to body catch , any other decent WR would extend to use just hands so he put it in a good spot. any more left and it might get swatted down

@@solephisticated5579 you’re proving a valuable point right now that drake maye the leader of his team the QB doesn’t understand his teammates enough to chose the right pass for his guy to capitalize on it. That’s more damning because a QB is expected to know/process more info than any other position on the field. The mental aspect of the game is more important than the physical in the QB realm. He has a lot of mental mistakes if you watch his tapes. Lots of WTF would you think that let alone try it moments.

@@pogiboy7478 eh i dont think the footwork is great there (people are right to hate on his footwork) but the throw is definitely not terrible and it is in fact a drop. Could have had slightly better placement but it's a drop nonetheless. I think the video could have used a better example than this

Tbh it’s kinda like Trevor Lawrence’s film where sometimes the processing is like wtf you doing lol. But I think he’ll be fine. If you can throw over the middle of the field in college it usually translates well. Which is why I’m so worried about Daniels lol

Sounds a lot like josh allen lol

@@bigtshotmusic mayes film is better than allen’s out of college. So if may can develop like allen he’ll be fine. he doesn’t have allen’s ceiling tho

You don't watch film. You watch KZfaq videos buddy.

@@LARRY113Z A22*

Another reason why JJ McCarthy could be the best qb in this draft he grew in an area where weather is consistently rough and then went to Michigan

@@blankname6629 JJ is ass doesn't have to do anything

Good point it's def a situation that happens a lot, but then you get a qb like Aaron Rodgers that grew up and played in Cal before getting drafted to Green Bay where the elements are completely opposite. He thrived in that situation and there are several other players who have done it as well.

@@aidantoogood6627 I think playing on the bench allowed Rodgers to ease in and acclimate himself to the territory. Rodgers also played in the Bay Area which has wind and chilly weather. He had games against Oregon, Washington, Colorado in college that gave him some prep work for the NFL. (Wind & Wind Chill are the biggest factors imho ) The problem is when you are seen as a Top 10 pick, dominate in SEC play, and play in year 1 ... just having a 4 week stretch of not throwing well in windy/cold games can really spiral into a dark period.

@@blankname6629zzzz….

Yeah, look at Rodgers, who sat behind Favre, and now Love, who day behind Rodgers.

@@shorewallThe Packers are also a competent organization that scouts certain traits in quarterbacks that project well in the NFL. There’s 15 franchises quarterbacks in the nfl and generally 4-5 guys picked in the first round. The supply and demand are at odds

@@chicagodude8888 tom clements is the best qbc in the nfl

I have always thought a IQ QB like Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees were what you wanted. Everyone nowadays wants a running back QB, they suck, all they do is get injured and throw picks

@@chicagodude8888Yeah, on average you should see a new (future) franchise qb from every class, that keeps it at 15 franchise QBs in the league at any time if their average career length is 15 years. Every 15 years 15 guys retire and 15 guys come in.

Agreed. I DO think QB eval is inherently more difficult. But I believe the bigger issue is a lack of development. Rookie wage scale incentivizes teams to give up on QBs “early”

Yea I like that. But some of these guy be having good teams in college and they actual play get exposed in the NFL.

Even look at Geno Smith.. He just waited years and slowly developed. I think alot of these failed QBs will resurface as starters after sitting a few years

@@brandonphillips9889Baker Mayfield might be the lastest example.

"Also, if you don’t build the proper offense around your QB or if you scrimp on your defense, to pay your QB, you can’t then place all the expectations on one player. " Another thing teams seem to forget. Scheme and talent must work together.

And he set his feet perfectly for the throw

@@eats4cheaps305 He does set his feet, and the WR does drop it. But he's also got happy feet in the pocket. And the point is, yea he may have got his feet set properly and delivered an on-time ball THIS TIME, but what about next time? The very next play vs NC State his happy feet cause him to be late on a throw that was otherwise an easy 1st on a comeback.

You guys love to give excuses. It’s not just one play. That’s why your excuse doesn’t matter and why your a fan and not a scout

@@BraveStarEric Someone who IS a scout, like this KZfaqr purports to be, ought to be able to find a play that supports his analysis. That play did not show what he said it showed.

@@dugw15 Yes it did show what he was trying to show. Happy feet. This leads to late and off target throws.

herbert had pep hamilton

And 2018

wilson sucks and so does maye get off nuts

I'll Pass

Fields had severely better mechanics than maye and they have only improved in the NFL. He was thinking too much with Getsy. When he stopped overthinking he won games.

To counter mac jones had mental ability but low physical ability and he sucked. There are thresholds to both they need to meet.

Mac also was a bad teammate so this only snowballed the issue.@@codysmith1915

Yep. Fields all the physical ability in the world and almost nothing between the ears for the position; not in college and not as a pro.

Tom Brady ? Mentality is everything in football

Thanks brother!

I think it's more like 50%. I believe out of the last 60 QB's taken in the first round, only around 30 were successful starters

Thanks TLD! Always supporting bro 👊

Nigga stfu they in the same draft class rn daniels is better and it’s not close

Agreed, I really like Penix and think he's gonna play in the league for a long time.

He does instinctually move from pressure. The drop backs into pressure is a footwork issue where has to reset his base not an instinct issue.

with mahomes,herbert,and josh allen

Good QBs can start immediately. Running Backs playing at the QB position are a lost cause.

How did that work with Houston's QB?

Maybe there's something there with Herbert. Two different OC coached him and came up with the same answer: give him a bunch of curls. They both did not implement a lot of concepts that explore different depths of the field and different route timings. Instead, it was a bunch of curls in the same depth of the field, don't think just throw the guy who's open. Predictable. Maybe is the lack of running threat, maybe it's bad pass protection. But maybe there's some limitation in Herbert too. I'm just saying it's weird two different coaches thought this was the most productive system they could implement.

Did you watch Herbert in college? He was not good at reading the field. Crystoball dumbed the offense for him.

​@@ladarriusjennings8914 But dumbing the offense down doesn't mean taking away the long ball. He has a great throwing arm

@@10thletter40 In a sense it does. Most long balls are made in scheme. As scene in this video where they schemed that post open from play action. Maye through a bad ball though. If you scheme for half the field like Oregon did that year, it makes it harder to scheme up a deep ball.

@@LightiningHobo Too bad the OC that worked best was only with him for his rookie year and took the job to the Eagles and ultimately became HC of the Colts. But at the same time Staley is also to blame for keeping the staff that sabotaged Herbert's pass game on a weekly basis. Along with Telesco for not picking up talent on both sides to make things easy on Herbert. Far too often fans of their own team want to blame the young talented QB when the team under performs. But what is the QB suppose to do when they are the best player in that assembled roster?

A lot of ifs and maybes you not living in real life

Thanks brother!

I wonder how much of QB play has been ruined by the constant use of the shotgun...back in the 9ers glory days it was all about timing and to my knowledge they never used the shotgun formation.

Same here

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Yup Mannings are rare 😂

Banger? I hardly knower

Thank you brother!!

You sound like you were on of those dudes who overrated how 'raw' Allen was coming out of college. Sure he had the propensity of missing the side of the barn throwing from 60 yards out. But the fact he was throwing it like a rocket from that range is still a very unique thing. His film certainly had a handful of *'if he can fix this at the pro level, he'd be a legit top 3 QB in the NFL'* kind of situations. Which I think people who dive and study college prospect tape never realistically look into that kind of strong situational metric along with everything else. At worse the Bills would still give Allen the heavy consideration of an extension just by his 2nd year production alone. Especially if another way to help progression was just to give him a legit WR1 who can catch those 60 yrd bombs and win on isolation.

I always say situation matters

I think it’s 50/50 the other half is people don’t like to develop these players. You can be put in a bad situation BUT if you are coached and develop then you can be good or great

Bad orgs rarely ever have a Brady type in their own draft board anyway. Since they are too busy trying make bad moves in the draft to shore up their lackluster roster. Competent teams with their team building strats have their bases covered enough and may have a specialty in developing a specific talent that they hit pay dirt after picking so often. I'm not surprised Purdy ended up in the Niners because his skillset is exactly someone that Kyle Shanahan would use as a backup QB anyway. He's just happens to be a better version of every Jimmy G, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard type of guy Kyle has tried to take a chance at in past years.

Exactly, people always ignore that, whereas it's one of the biggest factors. Any QB getting drafted by the Jets or Bears is gonna have an uphill battle

Very true. Many top college qbs were considered busts until they moved to a good organization and won a super bowl. Plunkett, Doug Williams, Steve Young. Brady was developed over many years, his big passing breakout came in 2007, his 7th year. In 2001, he was asked to do very little and he did it very well and they won a sb. He did his part, but defense and special were huge for the Pats that year. It was Bledsoe and special teams winning the AFC championship game and the defense beat the Rams. Brady did his part moving them for the winning field goal, but before that the Pats offense did almost nothing in that sb. It takes a great organization to win, even more important than the qb.

Lots of college teams have strong offenses, but the main difference is that NFL defenses are much tougher than CFB defenses: bigger, stronger, and faster pass rushers especially.

For real. Look at Bryce. Not saying he would’ve been generational but he’s in literally the worst situation possible with one of the worst O lines in the league and his best option to throw to us a washed Adam Thelian. Hopefully the panthers can improve next year and they seem to be trying but that’s just negligent to put a QB in that horrible scenario.

Linebackers

The NFL tried and decided they didn’t want to spend the money on NFL Europa (fka, World League of American Football). Maybe the merged USFL-XFL can work with the NFL to take on such a role.

Lamar being a pocket passer has always been a thing even back in his college days. Thing is he arrived with the Ravens with an offensive staff under Greg Roman who only saw Lamar as a 3rd running back. Along with the GM not surrounding Lamar with receiver talent to grow as a passer. If anything Harbaugh should have replaced Roman by 2019 after Lamar's MVP performance season and actually tried finding an OC who wants to open the field up like Monken did last season. Along with getting better WR talent. Because last season Lamar was still got to do his running stuff in spread formations and with a talent like Zay Jones who was arguably his best safety blanket he's ever had as a receiver outside of Andrews.

@@t4d0W It’s just an example of what I wouldn’t categorize as a strength but became another skill set in his favor. I understand the Ravens offensive evolution well enough

@@blakty2 That is the thing. its always been a skillset in his favor but the Ravens were just too slow to move on from it. Especially to a point when opposing defenses can legit read what the play sequence will be for the Ravens offense getting to 3rd and long based on whose getting subbed in (during GRO's era). If anything the 'weakness' Lamar started to slowly shore up last year was his deep ball accuracy because his passing offense opened up and he had more options to see who can win on match ups beyond 20 yards.

WHO IS YOUNG PLAYING WITH....CJ HAD OK TALENT WHILE YOUNG HAD NOTHING...TAPE DONT LIE

@@dariusewing6962. No one thought any of CJ’s receivers would be that good, and they got better because of him. No one wanted Tank Dell either. He did all of this with no run game and an average at best line.

⁠@@dariusewing6962 tape don’t lie indeed. Watch the Bears, Vikings, Buccs twice, Falcons twice, Saints twice, and Colts game. 169/289 58%, 1,437 passing yards, 5.0 YPA, 3 TDs and 6 INTs average passer rating in the 60s. 9 games and he played garbage in every single one 2 of these were primetime. All winnable within a score or two and he failed to deliver.

Media boards aren't real. The teams have had grades on every QB since a year ago, and it doesn't really change unless a guy shows something new. Film can show roughly how fast, strong, flexible, etc. every prospect is. Interviews might be the last big impact, but it's mostly in terms of clearing up film and establishing if a player's even interested.

Bryce Young arguably was the best player on offense roster where none of his receivers could separate and Frank Reich's play calling was super fraudulent with inside zone runs with highly paid RB Miles Sanders. It doesn't help Young is not a hyper athlete either since he wasn't used to out maneuvering pro level EDGE players as one of the guys out of The Shire. Meanwhile Stroud had a coaching staff who knew how to use modern principles to problem solve shit. Sadly Pierce didn't work out with the run scheme but Singletary did. Plus his main receiver targets could separate by themselves in tall ass Nico Collins and speedster Tank Dell. Everyone else could also get schemed to get opened. Defense was also stout because DeMeco is that good of a coach. Stroud clearly had much more help which magnified the performance he could consistently put out weekly even against high variance moments like his entire O-line being injured for the first 8 weeks.

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Thank you brother!

Mental can come in different ways too. Zach Wilson's mental always had him in hero mode. Yet Jets fans who were nut hugging him were quicker to blame when competent staff was doing the overall offense 'right'. Mike LaFleur as an OC runs the basic bitch wide zone run that schemes underneath targets open against the defense. Went like clockwork when the run game was a threat. But Wilson could never see those schemed guys who were always designed to be open underneath. Yet he could 'see' a high percentage pass which is a bubble screen. And especially when he scrambles the wrong way to invite more pressure to him, he's willing to run to the sideline and heave the deep ball cuz he 'saw' Corey Davis downfield.

I believe what you are saying makes sense. Post 2017 draft, Brett Kollmann gave the Chiefs a lot of crap for selecting Patrick Mahomes. In 2018, he made a video describing what he missed in his evaluations. Basically, he did not fully consider how a QB performed when things didn't go right... when "was running for his life".