Especially when it's no secret that Helaena is, well, delicate. They all look down at her for it. And now they decide to parade it about when it suits them even while she's sick with grief.

They would move him at some point anyway, it's just Otto saying it out loud that gets everyone so uppety.

@NtoTheM What are you talking about? "They would move him at some point" Yeah he would have been taken to the dragon pit to be cremated in the Targaryen tradition, not paraded through the streets with his little sewn on head.

@carlycrays2831 She very clearly is having a panic attack. She's the only one of the Greens I don't hate.

Isn’t this what Hamas does lmao, seems to be working too now that future American graduates are supporting the terrorist organization

Yes, I genuinely thought the head would detach and fall

I think literally everyone was afraid of that. Every reactor I watched legit got scared that, at the bare minimum, the head would roll.

Me: “ohgod the heads gonna come off ofgodohgodohgod.”

I thought he’s head would fall… 😰

where's the head? ​@@FraBra88

It wasn't a pothole. It was a giant rock buried in the road.

He didn't always use goats to feed his dragon....

why need roads when you can fly?

(In the voice of Harrison Ford) That's because potholes don't eat people when they get hungry. Dragons have been known to do that.

The United States has a higher military budget than the next 25 countries in the list combined, from which almost all of them are allies. And yet, there are entire tent villages of homeless people in the middle of Los Angeles. What you described is basically a medieval version of today's problems.

Back then it was considered unsightly for men to display emotions in public as it was seen as a weakness. Since Aegon is an absolute mess, they didn't want the people to see their King in such a state as it could weaken their efforts to defeat the Blacks. Crying and mourning was 'the woman's domain'. Through the women's tears, the people could see how much the royal family was devastated. Yeah it sure is a s*itty thing to do, but that's the way things were.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@TimberlakeTigerGirlIt is still considered unsightly for men to display emotions in public. And I can't really take the responsibility to say that's a bad thing.

@@_antillas8674It’s a bad thing to supress emotions, good or bad. Gender has nothing to do with it. Sometimes, it’s good to cry. If not, pent-up emotions can harm your body or eventually can turn you into someone emotionally unstable and unnecessarily aggressive. PD: I am a psychologist.

​@@_antillas8674 even todays its.. sadly considered weakness

also, Aegon was torturing the guy who did this

Yes she absolutely nails it

Absolutely

He shouldn’t have allowed it whatsoever

Yet, they know not how much damage they caused her.

The people's queen

It is the same on the books. Helaena is loved by the smallfolk

That's what I don't understand: why do they love her if she practically doesn't do anything? I hope that the TV show gives some explanation, otherwise one would believe that the riots against Rhaenyra were prepared by Larys and Helaena was just the excuse.

​@@michelm5072That's partially why they love her, she doesn't do anything. She's just a beautiful girl who does nothing to hurt anyone. And in this case, plenty of people in KL have lost children, they know her grief and can sympathize with her.

The thing is, she doesn't want it, it doesn't help her at all, it only intrudes upon her private inner world and makes her feel even worse.

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849Yeah, if Inwas her I would be worried any one of those people might hurt me. Or if the body did fall into the mud, what would they do to it?

and it means nothing

it's not like alicent agreed on that parade and insted of grieving her grandson she was doing cole...

Peasant means nothing to the Targaryens😂

she is my standout of the series, outstanding in every scene

Medieval fantasy PR campaign 😂

Legit. Margaery would’ve done the same and played up the tears.

@@hothotheat3000 that is the thing I hated the most about Maergery: she was so good at being genuine that she is actually disingenuous.

+plus she is autistic

it is how things were done then, hell even in modern times this happens with influential or power figures.

Image what the Boltons would have done.

in the books they tortured him for 13 days, alicent bathed herself in the blood of his wife and children

@@jje5713 Likely an embellishment, directly after that line he writes "our sources do not say if this occurred."

​@@jje5713assassins dont have wives and children, if that was in the book then its trash. If he was a cut throat maybe but not even then.

George has a way of grounding his stories with stuff like that. He doesn't outright say she's on the spectrum but it's been basically her described behavior is that if someone on the spectrum. Brilliant writing. I've seen this suggested multiple places with pretty convincing evidence.

Oh absolutely, I'm autistic too and I could see it coming; she was about to short-circuit. And kudos to the showrunners for being able to portray that so well. Alot of neurotypical people just do not understand why that can happen.

Agreed

I think the close up to her face looking up to the smallfolk in terror is alluding to a vision she was having at that moment. Maybe she was seeing ashes in the sky.

She's so far up the spectrum that she can foresee the future. I'm going to train hard to get to that level of autism.

I was worried that lil’ head was gonna roll off 🫣

*eyeroll*

Or and hear me out here... she just went through a HUGE trauma and can't really cope

@@cgt9056 don’t paint me as the kind of person who is indifferent and lacks understanding and wishes only to label people. I am trying to understand others who are different from me, and make sense of how certain groups of people act and behave differently. You have no idea who I am, so don’t judge me based on my attempt to make sense of characters who are after all fictional representations.

Can be, OR it can be a panic attack (looks more like it tbh), OR this can be her effect of her trauma OR something else OR all of that. I have clinical depression and when it gets REALLY bad I can also have a sort of ''sensory overload'' if I'm outside when even environment itself seems like it's pushing on me... So it can be anything or just visual representation of her being both ''special'' AND traumatized or wanting to be left alone with her grief. Maybe showrunners didn't even put much thought into it and didn't really want to ''represent'' any disorder or group of people at all.

I think they make it pretty clear that she’s got some neurodivergence going on, and I think that also adds to the humiliation of the situation. She’s both in grief and disabled, so she’s twice as vulnerable. Which makes her being pushed out to be a spectacle by her family so disgusting; that she was not spared from this act but her brother/husband was (because he was male). Her discomfort in this situation is probably being read as grief by the crowd, but we as the audience knows theres something else going on. The greens are exploiting her. Shes a tragic character; special needs, misunderstood, and is cornered because of her gender and title to “perform”. She wasn’t written this way in the books, but I think its a loving and interesting change by the writers. Fabulous actress too.

True, i thought the same, they both are suffering

If it weren't for the throne they wouldn't even have a son. They wouldn't even be married.

@@bojanabojanic5444 true, what kind of life that is! Sad!

I thought Daemon was the one who killed their son, not the throne or politics.

​@@_antillas8674 I'd like you to think real hard on Daemon's motivations for doing that.

Anyone who knows the signs or behavioral characteristics of a person with a form of Autism can clearly see them interwoven into Phia Saban’s depiction of Helaena. Sensitivity to normal stimuli, avoiding eye contact, discomfort with being touched, fixated interest or knowledge of specific and narrow topics (in her case, insects and arachnids), etc. Helaena has demonstrated all of these and more. It’s a clever and poignant move to code Helaena’s status as a prophetic “Dragon Dreamer” via the recognizable tropes of neurodivergence like Autism. It explains the struggles she experiences and the misunderstanding people from the past (and present) have in relating to her.

@@Unownshipper I think that’s why I love her so much I relate to her because I am also autistic

Agreed

Most people even the toughest are obviously going to comply under the threat of torture. This is normal behavior

He was a coward the minute he decided to murder an innocent child

Yeah makes sense too. Most brutal monster among the goldcloaks to hide or deny any weakness

no it’s probably the ash from the dance of dragons. she’s foreseeing the war to come, not dany

​@@highimem8435Could be a mix of both.

Doubtful

She doesn't have a vision of Dany its of the war that will keep getting worse

Justice is coming for Rhaenyra the monstrous. The blood of her sweet sister is on her hands.

Same thoughts

Daemon hired a lunatic to kill Aemond and said "If you can't get him, get another one of the bastards" Did not have the foresight to see that the lunatic would find an infant.

Plus Luke was an accident, this wasn’t.

It was an accident due to Daemon’s negligence

@@crystallxix1493Daemon told them a son for a son He is no fool He knew what he was saying

@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 but, AGAIN, he didn’t mean for that to happen. He MESSED UP and now Rhaenyra suffers for it

If you haven't read the books, let's just say you haven't seen their devotion to Heleana to the fullest extension yet.

I was surprised that he was so quick with the punishment

Tragically beautiful 😢

that’s what i’m wondering

I think that hasnt happened yet.

That’s hasn’t happened yet it might be the next episode or after where they all start shouting Queen rhaeynera and they cause a uproar going after Alicent.

​@@Mcherri Wait so it means they will parade their son twice or a flashback??

That's an entirely different scene

Casual show watchers of house of the dragon treat the show like a wattpad fabrication. They wouldn’t handle the complexity of the main series asoiaf if this is how the react 😭💀

Aemma and Baelon's bodies weren't paraded around KL in front of their freshly-grieving loved ones to garner sympathy in order to help win a nasty war. Logic invalid.

No, Ulf is the guy that asked a bystander who were the men hanging.

😂😂😂😂😂

Anyone and everyone apart from the people responsible for the death of that child eh?

@@gerardjagroo who started all of this nonsense? Yeah.

Daemon actively ordered the murder of a child (when he said it was a mistake, he was lying) He’s my favorite character

@@cyvader101 who started all of this nonsense? Yeah my point.

@@RockyAexiiy yeah But also “they started it” is such a childish argument to put blame solely on a single entity Otto started this bs, he is the orchestrator, but he isn’t the only one to blame. Otto did not cause the murder of the boy, Daemon did.

" You can breathe , you can blink , you can cry "

dont ever compare Negan to that piece of useless trash

They legally couldn't copy the book regarding blood and cheese to the letter. Since they were working with 4 year olds, they had to tone down the scene so as to not scare them. Sorry but it's an actual law.

Same here…

Probably because of KZfaq's censorship

@@TimberlakeTigerGirlsad. That scene was pivotal and chilling.

Not true, daemon did and rhaenyra didn’t find out until afterwards

The most sane from the green team:

1) Her baby boy was just killed in front of her. And she's being forced to parade his body and herself through the streets for propaganda. Poor woman just wants to be left alone to grieve. 2) She's paranoid someone in the crowd is another assassin and might try to attack her and her mother. Would you be so eager to have people touch you after witnessing a loved one get decapitated? 3) She doesn't like being touched in general, but now it's going into overdrive mode because of the crowd. It's implied she is autistic, and a known feature for autistic people is they don't like to be touched or be in crowds. 4) It's also implied she was having a vision during the procession; possibly the fall of House Targaryen. Frankly, it's a miracle the poor woman didn't faint.

​@@TimberlakeTigerGirl💎

It maybe also she sees Kings Landing future demise in ashes as a sightseer of the Queen of Dragons.

It's for mourning

She's caught in the situation... but yeah she's basically letting it happen at this point

Aemond made it sound like Luke engaged him in combat and so died a warrior's death. As opposed to a little boy being beheaded in his cot.

People very much cared Aemond in the histories is remembered as a sadist who murdered his innocent nephew

That is the whole point. They did the brutal dramatic parade to cause a scene. So their dead child get more sympathy.

@@zinkheroofyoutube8004which is basically true

Yo me pregunto cual es la relación...

They made her character on a spectrum so that's why she speaks on riddles

I don't think she even aware about the meaning of her own riddles

I doubt her dreams show her exactly how an event will occur and at what time…This is such a weird comment.

Even if she told people 'I'm having visions of my son getting killed', no one would believe her because they thought she was crazy.

That's like saying a woman is at fault for being raped.