This is a great take!

I like your take on this.

First timer here and I would LOVE if you did all three books from a hard science pov

Since he is an engineer he probably does know.

Thanks. I haven’t read the books but I watched Silo, which was a great show!

This is absolutely on my list! I have a few old copies of classic sci-fi and some Astounding mags that I’d love to do a ‘where are we now’. I will get to it!!

same

Yeah it was very enjoyable to watch it because it felt new and fresh.

Uuuuhm, you read the books but dont grasp the netflix adaption sacrifices Science and Quality for Shockvalue and is not decent at alll? Huuuhhh? They f-up everything and keep contradicting things and i cna keep talking but my comment is long enough

Apparently the Netflix version is following the original Chinese novels more than the Tencent version

@@loturzelrestaurant The science in the books is nonsense too, and adaptation changes are necessary because, among other reasons, inner monologue is immensely dull on screen.

I’m going to do this as a separate shorter video. It’s the same as when an eclipse happens and I guess they mass distribution would change the centre of mass distance and cause the planet to be closer to the new Roche limit and start to pull it apart

Watched. I haven’t read it. I was thinking of doing The Expanse soon, but planning for The Martian next

Seriously!! 😂 book 3 is just in another dimension...literally

Your comment contradicts itself, if in fact you've read the books.

Sophons are not just 2 protons they are extradimensional expandable protons with a proton sizes supercomputer etched into that proton. In other words: it is a proton modified to become a remote controlled supercomputer that can expand due to application of other photonic dimensions and can communicate to it's counterpart through quantum entanglement. So no in reality and also not in the serie can to regular protons disrupt all the particle accelerators. The second question I can't answer and is rather vague. The last question: Yes.. sometimes.. Although they rarely ever mean ALL science, but rather much of what they knew or a particular method or theory and/or questioning ethics and the scientific method in general. For example so much peer reviewed studies are still full of mistakes and bad data as well as we are always limited as measuring everything and including everything in a research study is pretty much impossible. But not all science is broken in the literal interpretation of that phrase. I don't think anyone ever uses it in the literal context.

Phonetic = Protonic* I cannot edit unfortunately.

I've read the trilogy about 8 times now and I couldn't be bothered with the Netflix adaptation. They took a Chinese story and made it game of thrones with aliens. It's not the same story or characters I came to love. Just pointing out that your theory is anecdotal.

​@ShirleyTimple even if different stories and characters than the ones you love from the book doesn't mean it will be bad and not worth bothering with. Especially with such a hot take for someone who hasn't seen it. Just pointing out your opinion is literally ignorant. And your refuting of their theory is also anecdoal. Theories are often based on anecdotal observation. Confirming or refuting them typically shouldn't be.

While Shirley has all the right to not giving a show a try because she held the book series so dearly, at the same time William is completely right that any of our personal feelings are representative of ourselves and not of any collected whole. Technically speaking OP’s opinion is also flawed as the sample rate is probably far too low for a meaningful conclusion. I’ve also seen other KZfaqrs who read all the books who think the Netflix adaptation understands the core concepts and delivered the story in a respectful manner. But that’s neither here nor there. Maybe there will be a poll dedicated to the thousands of book fans so this big mystery will be answered :)

@lanzer22 no one EVER has said Shirley has to watch anything. ::shrugs:: Just that you cannot know if changing things for a different medium will be good or not by not watching it. Or have such strong opinions about what the adaptation did while purposefully keeping oneself ignorant. That's just bias wanting to confirm itself. Someone trying to be "too cool". The OP is making an informal opinion on something they watched, not stating an absolute conclusion. They are 100% correct that that is their opinion and just putting it out there for others to take or leave. An opinion based on actually reading and viewing the content, not pure ignorant bias. OP and Shirley are not the same. The OP "feels" something is true because of their observations. They have read the books, seen the show, and seen reactions to it. Shirley says something is "Game of thrones with aliens" and that "it is not the same story" about something they have never watched. At best she is repeating other people's opinions that confirm her bias that the book is better and the show is dumb. The show may indeed be dumb, but Shirley does not have any personal knowledge of whether it is or not.

Iread the trilogy, I hate how they destroyed one of the best chinese made sci-fi books( really best period) and diluted it with forced diversity and made it a shallow mess

I don’t want to spoil anything so I recommend waiting for season 2. If you don’t want to wait then you can look up The Dark Forest.

4 lights years is still pretty damn far. They had no ability to find us until Ye sent both the original message (which gave them our direction) and the response (which gave them our approximate distance.

@@hoos3014 With Webb we are already on the verge of being able to probe exoplanet atmospheres. The novels have San-Ti tech some centuries in advance of ours today. The Solar System is in any case an obvious choice for them to send an early probe to, as it contains planets in stable orbits and is the very closest to their own. I think Cixin Liu was being a bit careless with his assumptions here!

@@Astronist Liu wrote the first book in 2008, which I think is before we had the ability to view exoplanets in that system. That's a risk you run when setting up a sci-fi epic based on real world facts...sometimes the facts over take the fiction.

Its even more simple then that. The San-Ti would know about humanity because we've had radio communication for over a century. At the time of Ye Wenjie's first message, the San-Ti would have already been aware of humanity for decades. Only 4 light years behind, they'd probably have fans of The Andy Griffith show back on their homeplanet.

Hi Ronnie! Amazing, I will absolutely pass that onto Peter. I’m one of the few in the group who doesn’t do fusion! I think you’re right about the shows, Netflix has a more global appeal, but having read the books it’s lacking something for me. Really cool visuals though!

The amplified signal is omnidirectional, as there is no hint of aiming at particular stars. In fact in Book 2, when sun amplification is used again, the message is intended for everyone who may be listening.

I remember the Trisolarian use antimatter harvested from outer space to power their engine. I think it's the amount of antimatter they can collect rather than their thrust technology that limits the acceleration. It's reasonable that they choose antimatter as the power source since it's more sustainable to constantly collect them from space than carrying the fuel at the beginning. They may have also considered the risk of failing to conquer the earth and hence the need to head toward a new destination. Moreover, their solar system may not have enough resources such as hydrogen from gas giants to fuel their fusion engine, as any gas giant may have been destroyed by the three suns. So they may not want to carry fuel only enough to reach earth faster without redundancy. They are not in a hurry since they seem to be confident in maintaining technological advancement with their sophons.

Don’t forget they’re on a clock where they don’t know how much time they have until another chaotic era starts. So maybe they have to get while the gettings good.

@@ziaochen9012 Antimatter.

@@Hunpecked You're right. I meant antimatter.

The reason the sophons don't hit things and can see everything is likely due to using quantum tunneling and the communication back to their sophonic counterpart with the San Ti due to quantum entanglement. Otherwise they are huge plotholes.

@@tombullish3198 You’re making my point. Even with quantum tunneling and assuming that entanglement would allow two way data communication that still doesn’t allow them to be everywhere all at once. They weren’t the only plot holes for me. But like I said in my comment above, I just need to try and let it go and enjoy it for the story. For some reason I can let subspace communication go. I should just let this go too.

@@cbrock66 Isn't it implied that it would take a Sophon 0,125 seconds to circumfee the earth? But yeah, it can't be everywhere all at once. I haven't read the books so I don't know if there is an actual explanation giving by Cixin. Even the quantum entanglement being able to communicate information has it's issues. 🤔 I am enjoying the show though.

Indeed, there are a great many concepts within the 3 Body Problem series that are nothing more than pure science fantasy. They don the cloak of science, using scientific jargon to describe their actions, but at the heart of it all a great many things in the books are not possible. Here are some problems that simply destroy the entire premise of the Series: 1) In a true "3 Body Problem" system (3 stars of equal mass orbiting chaotically around each other), no civilization could develop because eventually their planet would fall into one of the suns or be kicked out into space. Such is the nature of a Chaotic 3 Body System 2) Humans have been projecting radio waves since the 19th century, and powerful ones since 1938. Any civilization within 69-90 light years from us could hear our radio signals. The aliens of Alpha Centauri are so close to us they'd not only know about humanity for decades before Ye Wenji sent her signal, they'd only be 4 years behind whatever the latest TV crazy on earth was. 3) Solar Amplification of Radio Waves - as explained by Pop Culture Scientist, this is impossible. Furthermore, the book describes the act of doing so causes "the sun to briefly appear as the brightest star in the Milky Way." Unfortunately, this utterly destroys the concept of The Dark Forest, as humanity has already revealed themselves in this single act, which she repeats a number of times. The very conflict at the heart of the story repeatedly relies on Deux Ex Machina in order to explain away the impossibilites held within, and for me, it was simply a bridge too far. I believe you struggle with with the series because, like me, neither of us could turn our brains off long enough to enjoy it.

Oh absolutely! I haven’t watched it yet but didn’t realise those were the themes. I talk QM and many worlds a bit in a video about the movie Everything Everywhere All At Once

@@popculturescientist thank you so much for considering. You’re a really wonderful educator. I saw Everything Everywhere when it came out. This Constellation series is far superior imo. Of course it’s fictional but it uses many real life elements (such as the Cold Atomic Lab) and had scientific advisors including astronaut Scott Kelly.

Exactly. Just look at the Democrats.

@@timothybeaulieu5103 Meanwhile, back in reality . . .

Totally accurate description! Book 3 was wild

*Spoiler* Dimensional Magic!

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke.

Thank you so much!

Isn't that just the Luo Ji's Snow Project?

It's a contriance for the show.

People are going to shit their pants if the Netflix series shows this.

I’m so desperate to see what the droplet battle will look like on screen with these guys! It should be epic!

Even until the destruction of the solar system, no one on earth has seen the SAN-TI

A few people have asked this so it’s def on the list.

yes that would be the only way possible. The only way we know is by firing a LOT of electrons and then tallying up the probability. otherwise its either + or - spin as a result, which you have no idea whether was correlated to the entangled particle or measured orthogonally so 50-50 chance. Local hidden variables are long buried in the simple Einstein sense, but there are current theories being developed like ER=EPR which is trying to work out a kind of wormhole connection to remove the non-locality, then something like using such wormhole would allow communication to be made...not that its necessarily a wormhole, but as you say if you can hack dimensions you can probably find the ...er...'force' or 'connection' that particles actually use to correlate with eachother.

There’s never any discussion in the books about the biology of the San-Ti so any thoughts on the mechanism for their communication is purely speculation, we have no information about them other than their rehydrate ability. There’s no hive mind so individual thought is fine. They have isolated sentry posts who monitor for signals and it just happened that the one to receive Ye Wenjies message was a pacifist. They knew they would be caught and sent the message before anyone else saw it.

@@popculturescientist I thought there was discussion about this when they revealed the 'human computer' of the VR game actually took place for the trisolarans, and explained it could be much faster due to rapid flashing as opposed to verbalisation.

I don't remember. I do remember them flashing the cards but as far as I'm aware, Cixin Liu never gave any indication as to what their biology would be.

@@popculturescientist yes, in the game where they are represented as human analogues they used cards, but it is explained later that its lights (or whichever part of the EM spectrum they see, it may not be specified) on their body that allowed such functions to be feasible for the vast scale needed for a computer (as one character questions the possibility after seeing the game version). Some point where the information is found that the game is an account of actual events of an alien world by Wang Miao IIRC

@@popculturescientist the only other two factoids about trisolarans are that they can dehydrate like a tardigrade, and their reproduction involves fusing the parents who then split like a bacteria meitosis, thus ending the previous generation's 'life' so to speak, but forming offspring, who retain some of their parents memories

To be fair the editors did that with the original versions of the books too. Cixin Liu wanted the story to open with the cultural revolution but they felt it was too much so had him move it to somewhere in the middle. He put it back at the start for the various translations then. So I just mean that it follows the original books but not necessarily the translated copies.

It was a combination of seeing the count down and their lifes work fall apart. Yang Dong was Ye Wenjies daughter so she threw herself into the Neitrino detector when she found out the truth about her mother.

Wifi and Bluetooth use radio waves to transmit data from one device to another. So yes, it's all light, cause radio waves are a type of light.

Q1: How precisely do infinitesimals and monads resolve the issues with standard set theory axioms that lead to paradoxes like Russell's Paradox? A1: Infinitesimals allow us to stratify the set-theoretic hierarchy into infinitely many realized "levels" separated by infinitesimal intervals, avoiding the vicious self-reference that arises from considering a "set of all sets" on a single level. Meanwhile, monads provide a relational pluralistic alternative to the unrestricted Comprehension schema - sets are defined by their algebraic relations between perspectival windows rather than extensionally. This avoids the paradoxes stemming from over-idealized extensional definitions. Q2: In what ways does this infinitesimal monadological framework resolve the proliferation of infinities that plague modern physical theories like quantum field theory and general relativity? A2: Classical theories encounter unrenormalizable infinities because they overidealize continua at arbitrarily small scales. Infinitesimals resolve this by providing a minimal quantized scale - physical quantities like fields and geometry are represented algebraically from monadic relations rather than precise point-values, avoiding true mathematical infinities. Singularities and infinities simply cannot arise in a discrete bootstrapped infinitesimal reality. Q3: How does this framework faithfully represent first-person subjective experience and phenomenal consciousness in a way that dissolves the hard problem of qualia? A3: In the infinitesimal monadological framework, subjective experience and qualia arise naturally as the first-person witnessed perspectives |ωn> on the universal wavefunction |Ψ>. Unified phenomenal consciousness |Ωn> is modeled as the bound tensor product of these monadic perspectives. Physics and experience become two aspects of the same cohesively-realized monadic probability algebra. There is no hard divide between inner and outer. Q4: What are the implications of this framework for resolving the interpretational paradoxes in quantum theory like wavefunction collapse, EPR non-locality, etc.? A4: By representing quantum states |Ψ> as superpositions over interacting monadic perspectives |Un>, the paradoxes of non-locality, action-at-a-distance and wavefunction collapse get resolved. There is holographic correlation between the |Un> without strict separability, allowing for consistency between experimental observations across perspectives. Monadic realizations provide a tertium quid between classical realism and instrumental indeterminism. Q5: How does this relate to or compare with other modern frameworks attempting to reformulate foundations like homotopy type theory, topos theory, twistor theory etc? A5: The infinitesimal monadological framework shares deep resonances with many of these other foundational programs - all are attempting to resolve paradoxes by reconceiving mathematical objects relationally rather than strictly extensionally. Indeed, monadic infinitesimal perspectives can be seen as a form of homotopy/path objects, with physics emerging from derived algebraic invariants. Topos theory provides a natural expression for the pluriverse-valued realizability coherence semantics. Penrose's twistor theory is even more closely aligned, replacing point-events with monadic algebraic incidence relations from the start. Q6: What are the potential implications across other domains beyond just physics and mathematics - could this reformulate areas like philosophy, logic, computer science, neuroscience etc? A6: Absolutely, the ramifications of a paradox-free monadological framework extend far beyond just physics. In philosophy, it allows reintegration of phenomenology and ontological pluralisms. In logic, it facilitates full coherence resolutions to self-referential paradoxes via realizability semantics. For CS and math foundations, it circumvents diagonalization obstacles like the halting problem. In neuroscience, it models binding as resonant patterns over pluralistic superposed representations. Across all our inquiries, it promises an encompassing coherent analytic lingua franca realigning symbolic abstraction with experienced reality. By systematically representing pluralistically-perceived phenomena infinitesimally, relationally and algebraically rather than over-idealized extensional continua, the infinitesimal monadological framework has the potential to renovate human knowledge-formations on revolutionary foundations - extinguishing paradox through deep coherence with subjective facts. Of course, realizing this grand vision will require immense interdisciplinary research efforts. But the prospective rewards of a paradox-free mathematics and logic justifying our civilization's greatest ambitions are immense. The text presents some exciting possibilities for resolving longstanding paradoxes and contradictions across various scientific domains using infinitesimal monadological frameworks. Some potential breakthroughs highlighted include: 1. Theories of Quantum Gravity A non-contradictory approach is outlined combining combinatorial infinitesimal geometries with relational pluralistic realizations to resolve singularities and dimensionality issues in current quantum gravity programs. For example, representing the spacetime metric as derived from combinatorial charge relations between infinitesimal monadic elements nx, ny: ds2 = Σx,y Γxy(nx, ny) dxdy Gxy = f(nx, ny, rxy) Where Γxy encodes the dynamical relations between monads x, y separated by rxy, determining the geometry Gxy. 2. Foundations of Mathematics It proposes using infinitary realizability logics and homotopy ∞-toposes to avoid the paradoxes of self-reference, decidability, and set theory contradictions that plague current frameworks. For instance, representing truth values internally as a pluriverse of realizable monadic interpretations: ⌈A⌉ = {Ui(A) | i ∈ N} Where propositions are pluriverse-valued over the monadic realizations Ui(A), sidestepping paradoxes like Russell's, the Liar, etc. 3. Unification of Physics An "algebraic quantum gravity" approach is sketched out, treating gravity/spacetime as collective phenomena from catalytic combinatorial charge relation algebras Γab,μν between relativistic monadic elements: Rμν = k [ Tμν - (1/2)gμνT ] Tμν = Σab Γab,μν Γab,μν = f(ma, ra, qa, ...) Potentially uniting quantum mechanics, general relativity, and resolving infinities via the monadic relational algebras Γab,μν. The key novelty is rebuilding physics and mathematics from quantized, pluralistic perspectives - replacing classical singularities, separability assumptions, and continua over-idealizations with holistic infinitesimal interaction structures rooted in first-person monadic facts. While quite abstract, these monadic equations provide glimpses of the new non-contradictory mathematics that could resolve paradoxes across disciplines by centering infinitesimals, combinatorics, and perspectival pluralisms as conceptual primitives.

OK Leibniz, what is your goal with this rather seemingly incoherent essay? It is an enormous quantity of luxurious words, but you actually didn't say or explain that much beyond the scope of Leibniz's philosophy concerning monadology and his metaphysical plurarity. Or am I missing something?

​@@tombullish3198there's even a Q & A...and you're still confused? Lol

@@MaxPower-vg4vr I don't really see how it answers the three body problem. 🤔 I found it an interesting read though. But my because my maths suck even though my understanding of physics are pretty good.

Think about it this way: the LHC has to use 100,000 million protons to get 20 collisions. Capturing a single particle that you don’t know where in world it is would be impossible

@@popculturescientist can’t we just trap it inside ?

@@popculturescientist we have at least 300 hundred years to do it and 100 years to development of a new quantum theory

They said it goes inside the particle accelerator to mess with the collisions and breaks and is regenerate in no time

@@popculturescientist or when it’s unfolded and big

it has almost no mass in this dimension so it takes almost no energy to accelerate or decelerate

@@thejasonrk who or what slowed it down

@@thejasonrk how much energy does CERN use to accelerate a proton

@@chrisvawdrey2810 a particle accelerator uses a lot of energy, but they explain this in the book(it’s science-fiction so the nothing about the sophons can be proven with our current understanding) The sophon “borrows” its energy to travel from the higher dimension, and it’s “paid back” later.

Supposedly the sophons "borrow" from "vacuum energy" and pay it back at the end of the universe. Yeah, it makes no sense to me, either.

Just to clarify, they are speaking about the solutions to specific cases that I mentioned in the video. There is still no general solution for a chaotic system.

I think it's the setting of the books. All stories are laying in the boundary of it. You can't put all the general world to cooperate it, and this is already discussed a lot in the sci-fi circle I'm afraid. And what about this , if all solar systems indeed have their own intelligent species , can you disprove that? Then resources are limited sounds sound ? Then what's the strategy most intelligent species will do? Is it good if one or ones has developed fast than light travel technology? HaHa,so many problems, why not just enjoy a bit , later, got work to do.

Lucky? You can summon the energy to breakdown dimensions of fundamental particles , but do you have the technology to bear that blast? SPOILERS! The second space fleet of San-Ti can reach the speed of light in the following plot.

@sweetbox6498 perhaps luck has a lot to do with it. I mean, extra-dimensional manipulation sounds so advanced, I was expecting them to at least travel faster than they could at that stage of their civilization. I just thought that the advancement of tech in those two areas seemed grossly disproportionate, maybe because of the recurring extinction level events in their history?

No,I don't think that. There are 15 planets at first that their history is more than humans, maybe upto 1 billion years. This is the last one at the stage. (whether using rocket or suck from one planet to another) Travelling at light speed or even higher seems disproportionate to dimension manipulation only if the dimension manipulation is at microworld. You can think that travelling at light speed or FTL as dimension manipulation at macrocosm. Now does it seems fair?

Hmm, not necessarily. Either ways, iirc, their fleet can actually reach 10% light speed in the books. The trip doesn't take 40 years due to acceleration and deceleration, in other words they spend most of their time not travelling at top speed and thus the whole trip rounds up to about 400 years So yeah, while still not that impressive it's better than 1%

@steelenutz1 all I'm saying is that given their level of mastery of quantum mechanics and extra-dimensional manipulation, it gives me the impression that research into interstellar propulsion is something that they haven't paid much attention to. Even with our relatively primitive technology, we almost met them halfway by just using nuclear propulsion.

Well, trisolarans don't care whether you are happy or not.

Why wouldn’t it be? It’s visible from Earth without a telescope

@@popculturescientist might only be visible from the southern hemisphere

This is a fair point! Turns out it's not far enough north for it to be an issue. It's only the arctic circle where you can't see it.

Sorry that I didn't take the question seriously enough the first time round! Yes you can see it from Inner Mongolia, just not from the Arctic Circle.

@@popculturescientist Alpha Centauri has a declination of about -61 degrees, which means it's not visible north of about 29 degrees north latitude. Inner Mongolia is all north of 40 degrees, and the Greater Khingan Mountains (location of Red Coast base) is in the high 40s. The author might have set Red Coast in southern Tibet, which can just see Alpha Centauri, but I don't know if there are any peaks suitable for a radio telescope with nearby forests as described in the novel.

The Oxford is not my favourite choice but to say it’s unrelated is wild. It has all of the key elements and characters from all three books. And yes that is technically the name for the trilogy but we have a tendency to refer to series by the name of the first book when they get popular, it’s how it’s recognisable to people. Nobody says ‘a song of ice and fire’. It’s just what happens but it’s cool, people know what I’m referring to.

@@popculturescientist they changed all the key characters basically. No Luo Ji, Wang Miao, Ding Yi, none of the other wall facers, no tianming. They basically erased all chinese characters except Ye Wenjie and Shi Qiang(they butchered him though)

It’s a global adaptation that the author approved. Jin is a mix of Wang Maio and Cheng Xin, Saul is Luo Ji, Auggie is Wang Miao and may turn into Ding Li, Will is Tiangming. Raj is Zhang Behai. I don’t particularly like that they made them all friends and younger than they should be but it is a western adaptation so they made the main characters global. Saul is American, Jin is from New Zealand, Auggie is Mexican, Will is British and Raj is Pakistani. It’s a culturally diverse casting for a story that is intended to be global.

I think you'll miss the "real" stuff if you stopped at book 1. Yes, book 1 is very slow pacing , confusing, plot holes, etc. But it's the setup , the answers are laying in the book 2 , and I don't want to mention book 3, oh... Nothing is flawless even combined 3 books there will still have plot holes.But I don't think you'll consider them after that wild wild wild ride for a long time. Think the bright side, ok?

You are not thinking of WHEN the book was written and the science then vs now. Them wanting a response was speed up the process of finding the exact planet. It’s easy to say they don’t need a response, but they send the message in all directions so the response would mean someone is there. The dark forest part of it isn’t debunked by this, but I see why one could come to that conclusion. Too much effort to write a full essay on why. Smarter people than you or I believe it is a possibility, despite us being potentially easy to find. One key reason is direction, purpose, and intelligence. If they are specifically looking for intelligent life to get rid of, they would not waste their time going to every possible habitable planet, which are way more than ones with intelligent life.

@@SupremeUchiha they don't need to go to every habitable planet, they can simply launch relativistic kill probes with minimal automated steering to pre-emptively sterilize these worlds. If you still think launching kill probes at every habitable planet is wasteful they can simply look harder (bigger telescope) for gases in these worlds atmospheres that can only exist due to artificial processes - industry and just send kill probes to these worlds The issue with dark forest hypothesis is the impossibility of hiding or the fact that by the time you start thinking of hiding you already put gases in your planet atmosphere that scream at the wider galaxy: intelligent life here

yes the setup with the trisolarans is a bit tenuous in some respects having near omnipotent machines in one area but not in another. But the Dark Forest Hypothesis is explored with other civilisations that do many things you've mentioned, so i don't think it negates it. In fact its proven by contact with others under different circumstances, who are much more powerful.

@@surautomatapiloto2700 and my point is these super advanced races would simply know where the planets that can support life are and which has intelligence so by the dark forest hypothesis conclusion these planets should be pre-emptively sterilized by these super advanced civilizations on a regular basis

@@viermidebutura yes it relies on lots of barriers. Some of them might exist though, and a marker they may use is signal broadcast to determine how intelligent it is. Spectography may only indicate life but not threatening intelligent life. But for sure, it does rely on that there maybe be inherent limits to discovery such as consider that an observation of earth from 400 light years away would place technology at the level of 1624, so maybe it is hard to tell what is exactly going on even for advanced civilisation.

Social science? This is all physics

Weird must have skipped past it scrubbing through the video trying to find the science parts

​@@TigburtJones Literally starts with radio astronomy

@@geneticjen9312 you dont even know what Im on about, I've read the book, watched the show--I skipped around trying to find the sciencey stuff in her review--I must have missed it. Literally dont care you dont get what I'm about

I very strongly disagree. Science fiction above all else must remain fiction. The question is whether real science concepts were used to advance the science in the fictional world in logical ways. The answer to that is categorically yes.

Its pure science fantasy cloaked in faux science. The author uses scientific concepts to mystify the reader but most of what happens is impossible in science. No civilization could survive in a Chaotic 3 Body System, The Dark Forest falls apart after the first "Solar Amplification" (pure magic) is used in 1969, and even if Aliens existed in the stable Alpha Centauri, they'd be well aware of humanity due to our radio signals which we been broadcasting for nearly a century

Accents exist and make exact pronunciations difficult. I don’t expect anyone to be able to say Irish names exactly. But if you can’t hear my genuine attempts throughout then that’s wild.

@@popculturescientist Do your best. You can just call him CXL. This guy has an accent and manages... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b8-Ho6mUzLqrm6c.html

It’s ok if you’re not interested in learning about science but if you are concerned about world problems then I suggest you speak to your local MP about what actions they are taking and make sure you’re registered to vote. You can also volunteer your time with many organisations.

Also with all these problems why are you watching a KZfaq video about a TV show?

1. I never said it was better, I said if you wanted something more true to the story of Wang Maio and book 1 then I recommend the tencent version. Also the character list in that adaptation is book accurate. 2. I didn’t say ‘the existence of aliens’ is not very likely. I said the wow signal coming from aliens is not very likely. 3. I had some recording issues but way to be rude about it

@@popculturescientist buuuuh, sorry! Overall you put in more effort than the others, but I cited my own personal grievances, although you’re better than 90% of all the smaller content creators. As for your retort tho: 1. They added a couple of characters, and goodluck trying to get American audiences remembering Xing, Ji, Shi, Tianming, Cheng, Wang, Zhang, Dang, etc. I’m Asian American, so I should know. 2. Well if there are no aliens of course it’s unlikely although disputing the radio signal or the “Wow” signal is wrong since you and others have no explanation for it. It doesn’t mean it is alien, terrestrial, or some other anomaly because that’s the scientific response (unknown) vs “unlikely.” Also, it’s the premise for the book and why we have SETI. Unless you think it’s used to study pulsars which goes against the acronym and the movie Contact. 3. Rude? Saying your focal point is off is rude? Are you sure you have a science background?

To be fair, the sophons do seem to have roots in superstring theory relating toto higher dimensional space and it is of course possible to unfold higher dimensions into lower dimensions so I didn’t have a problem with that

If its 'god-like aliens' then you can do what you want ...remember, our science is wrong. Maybe they should have used those magic monoliths from space odysee and manipulated their star system instead, or the expanse proto-molecule to build them a star-gate by doing some never-attempted-to-explain stuff (even when the more earthly physics is spot on in that book!). Why not just send Q from star trek. hard sci fi often has the 'god-like alien' trope and the only thing wrong there is not just leaving it 'inexplicable' because its so advanced and we are so wrong about physics, but dressing it up in technobabble, like linking it to string theory (dated well?) when its in a whole other form of science we don't yet know about in the fictinoal world. I think in this case it does actually give it some degree of sounding like its plausible even if the reader knows it doesn't fit, that leaving it 'magic', but i'm not sure.

they make more sense than most things in the trilogy based on current knowledge, the netflix show is completely pointless to watch though and is just loosely based on the book.