Why is Space Malicious? | Three Body Problem Series

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Күн бұрын

Warning, this video has spoilers. Cixin Liu's Remembrance of Earth’s Past trilogy describes the journey of mankind through 8 distinct Era’s. The Common Era, the era most familiar to the one you and I know, before they knew what awaited within the dark forest beyond the stars. The year 201X C.E. or 2010 AD would mark the end of the common era. The Epoch C.E. stood for Crisis Era. This was the era directly following humanity’s discovery that not only was there other intelligent life in the universe, but it was vicious and hungry, determined to snuff out the human race and claim the earth for its own. The crisis era would last from 201X CE to 2208 AD which would mark the start of the Deterrence Era, which would last 62 years to be followed by a brief period of time known as the Post-Deterrence Era which lasted approximately two years from 2270 - 2272. The ages that followed were, in order, The Broadcast Era from 2272-2332, The Bunker Era from 2333-2400, the Galaxy Era which began in 2273 and continued indefinitely, and finally the Black Domain Era for the DX3906 Star System which last from 2687 through 18,906,416. We will discuss all of these eras in future videos but in this one we will hone in on perhaps the most crucial era of all for humanity, The Deterrence Era, which began with the Wallfacer known as Lou Ji.
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@matthewgumabon7498
@matthewgumabon7498 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being able to just go, “Hey, watch this”, send a signal out that pings a stars location, and watching a light speed energy weapon come out of nowhere and turn that entire star system into a nebula. I mean, that’s quite the “spell”.
@shara7948
@shara7948 Жыл бұрын
It's scary that even now, if u.s, or Russia or China, n.korea, etc, if one if them decided, hey I don't like (Insert country here), watch this! Then with the press of a button, a bang, & a bright light, boom! Said country, & the millions of ppl in it.....Gone! In a blink! -Scary
@nortonwedge
@nortonwedge Жыл бұрын
What? If it was only going light speed, it might take centuries to get to the star system.
@shara7948
@shara7948 Жыл бұрын
@@nortonwedge and then years for us to see it, & the light to hit our eyes 😆
@generik7414
@generik7414 Жыл бұрын
@@nortonwedge my idea is it either slowed down before impact, came through an FTL method, or was somehow already nearby
@LunoeShadow
@LunoeShadow Жыл бұрын
Honestly the spell is what broke my suspension of disbelief in the series. If you could anonymously radio for an orbital strike on someone, then rather than a dark forest, the universe would be alive with constant tattling, because if earth can get away with it, so can anyone else.
@memmuw
@memmuw Жыл бұрын
honestly the fact that Luo Ji announcing "fuck around and find out" worked AND gave him all the control in the situation is both hilarious and cold as shit
@andrehardy4721
@andrehardy4721 8 ай бұрын
You're a Chinese plant
@andrehardy4721
@andrehardy4721 8 ай бұрын
You're a Chinese plant
@andrehardy4721
@andrehardy4721 8 ай бұрын
Lol
@andrehardy4721
@andrehardy4721 8 ай бұрын
Lol
@EdgarTheOnion
@EdgarTheOnion 7 ай бұрын
Dude was a straight up bad ass, balls as big as Jupiter hahahaha
@toaster9922
@toaster9922 Жыл бұрын
When the “darkest era in human history” starts with the earth’s environment *healing,* you KNOW it’s going to be something good.
@Darth_Bateman
@Darth_Bateman Жыл бұрын
Oh god….. I have to read this shit.
@jaydenwarnke641
@jaydenwarnke641 Жыл бұрын
This is frequently the case in apocalypses. Nuclear apocalypses are kinda unique in their natural bleakness, right up there with the earth freezing over or the heat death of the universe.
@anonymous-rb2sr
@anonymous-rb2sr Жыл бұрын
Nature is a pest and an enemy. Some of the people who have never interracted with nature are deranged lunatics and forgot that. They will try to bring up that some limited contact with "nature" can be harmless, completely forgetting that the "nature" is artificial, man made, our ancestors slaughtered all the dangerous species they were able to slaughter we still have to slaughter a few, microscopic organisms, mosquitoes, things that prey on humans, and are hard to exterminate due to how small they are. What morons think of as "nature" is so nice because it is a manmade environment, all the forests and natural parks of europe and america are manmade, cleared of all natural danger, all natural design, and in almost all cases, secondary man made forest, not primordial ones, even the trees in "nature" are man made. Because of this, deranged people will sometimes assume that what they see in a national park is "nature", and as such that nature is good But that is a lie, english is a disgraceful language, words are never well defined, nature can mean the natural world, in which case all human actions are part of nature, but in this case it is more useful to define nature as everything that was not the outcome of the conscious actions of a human, under that definition, all of nature is either an enemy, or imperfect, everything you like about "nature", is according to your own human brain and value system, as well as your hard wired genetic instincts. The way you judge things (illogical as it may be) is completely human. Under our definition, it is completely unatural. You know the things you like about "nature", those things are completely arbitrary, and nature does not obey your preferences, as such it is always possible to modify nature to be closer to your very human conception of something good, which is exactly what the past generations of humans, people mighter and more sane than you, did, bending nature to their will, destroying it and replacing with life of their own design, which created this nice man made "nature", which is what you like, but just like them, you could see a few things that could be better about nature, so that even in your deeply confused and unfonctionnal mind, you still know that nature is not good.
@eden20111
@eden20111 5 күн бұрын
Wait, where did it say it was healing I forgot
@gtassa01
@gtassa01 Жыл бұрын
When I started this series I imagined that the only was to stop the trisolarans from destroying humanity entirely would eventually to come down threatening to destroy the earth itself in an attempt to deny them their prize, but the actual solution was a lot more morbid than I imagined. What I'm trying to say is that this series is dark and I love it.
@ralphtiangco6318
@ralphtiangco6318 Жыл бұрын
Scorched earth
@AC-hj9tv
@AC-hj9tv Жыл бұрын
@@ralphtiangco6318which happens to my ass after taco bell
@egay86292
@egay86292 4 ай бұрын
humans are dark.
@Morfe02
@Morfe02 Ай бұрын
One Guy want to destroy the Solar System Oh boy thats little and cute on the book scale
@deborapanfil7698
@deborapanfil7698 Ай бұрын
One of the Wallfacers though of that, it went haywire and he was eventually stoned to death by his own people.
@aliensinmyass7867
@aliensinmyass7867 Жыл бұрын
So basically, humanity has two possible futures: Dune - We are alone in the universe Three Body Problem - We are not alone in the universe
@mullerpotgieter
@mullerpotgieter Жыл бұрын
And both are equally terrifying prospects
@arnoldrivas4590
@arnoldrivas4590 Жыл бұрын
I think Quinn explained that in the Dune series, alien life was not the focus. Aside from the sandworms. Maybe there is intelligent life in the Dune universe, but we'll never know. But yes, the Three Body Problem prospect of intelligent life is both humbling and terrifying.
@gdhuertas07
@gdhuertas07 Жыл бұрын
@@mullerpotgieter I would much rather be in the Dune universe than the Three Body Problem universe.
@arielathomo229
@arielathomo229 Жыл бұрын
@@gdhuertas07 me too, bro! at least in the dune universe humanity isn't a helpless creature. in the three body problem trilogy we are being treat like bugs all along.
@matthewsmith1779
@matthewsmith1779 Жыл бұрын
@@arnoldrivas4590 Leto II ruled a multi-galactic empire. There is alien life in Dune, just not "intelligent" alien life. Leto II even trolled future humanity by building a construct on a world to make it seem extraterrestrial only for them to find out it was Leto's doing.
@LuckyBird551
@LuckyBird551 Жыл бұрын
There was this Sci Fi author in Argentina, H.G. Oesterheld, that in the 70s wrote a sci fi graphic novel which explored a very interesting concept: What if in case of an alien invasion, humanity was not united in their fight against the aliens, and instead some of Earth's nation states decided to simply ally themselves with the aliens, helping them conquer the other nation states that would fight the aliens? In the graphic novel we see some nameless alien armada land and build a base in Antartica. Because of these, all of humanity calls them "the Antarticans". The Antarticans are clearly hostile, so every major power with nuclear capabilities on the planet launch their nuclear arsenal towards the Antartican's base. This does nothing at all. The Antarticans then destroy two major cities, one in Russia and one in the United States, explaining that all of Earth had to surrender to them or more cities would be destroyed, and give humanity 10 minutes to do so. Every country then agrees to surrender, and maybe negotiate some sort of deal that would allow them to live. The Antarticans then say that there aren't that many of them, and that what they want is a piece of Earth, not all of it, one continent would be enough, but not Antartica. They say that all of South America must be given to them to live in and manage in any way they see fit, without interference from other countries. In return, the Antarticans will share SOME of their technology (not all of it) with the two major powers of the time, Russia and the United States. The only ones to protest these terms are the leaders of South American nations, and some African leaders too, but they are promptly ignored. In fact, when the president of the Congo, a highly advanced country scientifically in this time, assures that the Congo has developed a device that can penetrate the Antarticans defenses on their main base undetected and destroy it, thus saving everyone, the United States proceed to nuke every major city in the Congo, explaing that South America is a small price to pay to the Antarticans if it means becoming even more powerful technologically speaking and thus more wealthy than the rest of the world. This attack on the Congo is also used as a deterrent for any other African nation that might want to complain about the deal with the Antarticans. So South America is left to their own devices, never getting any help, in their fight against the Antartican invaders using guerrilla tactics. The Antarticans also try to bribe different people in South American nations to sway them on their side, using them as collaborators to betray the others, but the novel never explains if the bribes worked or not.
@marcusanark2541
@marcusanark2541 Жыл бұрын
That's actually a major flaw I see in most Science Fiction, a extraterrestrial invasion doesn't not necessarily mean a enemy of Humankind no more than all the expansive empires of Earth did, maybe they like some ideologies and not others, maybe the war it's about some resource or adding some nations into their commonwealth, it doesn't need to mean all Humans are destined to unite or die fighting together against them.
@mikehawk4204
@mikehawk4204 Жыл бұрын
I am from Argentina and never heard of this novel! How is it called? Sounds super interesting
@daizenmarcurio
@daizenmarcurio Жыл бұрын
This book sounds very interesting, I'd like to check out!
@alfonsoortiz885
@alfonsoortiz885 Жыл бұрын
Is the novel you are describing called "The Eternaut"? I found this with a quick Google search but would like confirmation Edit: OP has clarified that the story is called "La Guerra de Los Antartes"
@JosephElliottColeman
@JosephElliottColeman Жыл бұрын
​@@mikehawk4204 It's a famous Argentinian comic called "The Eternaut" Two versions of it exist. The original version was drawn by Francisco Solano López while there's a shorter, more concise remake version drawn by the late great Alberto Breccia.
@obelysk4209
@obelysk4209 Ай бұрын
Honestly after reading the Dark Forest i feel like the human species really needs to start focusing on a much bigger picture
@polaris1985
@polaris1985 Ай бұрын
I think this version of universe is true, that's why observe no life form in space because they are all hiding
@EzraMerr
@EzraMerr Ай бұрын
No thats not the truth, any advanced intergalactic civilisation would be able to observe any civilisation that is not developed and determine their behaviours. There's also the advanced understanding of a developing species that they would understand wars are part of even their own history. Advanced Life is the rarest resource in the universe it would make no sense to destroy it. ​@polaris1985
@polaris1985
@polaris1985 Ай бұрын
@@EzraMerr like you said advanced civilization can scan the universe and observe primitive civilizations but at the same time they are hiding their own civilization from discovery and probably might stop us from ever achieving advanced status ourselfs, if there are a lot of civilizations in the galaxy I doubt they will waste so much resources on supressing all of them, they might just destroy some and keep an eye on the rest. You are forgetting the true nature of humans is to destroy and rule over others so why would galatic civilizations be any differenent if not worse. I doubt with HUMANS mindset we can allow anyone to rule over us so destruction is inevitable.
@NanaNi-du5fg
@NanaNi-du5fg Ай бұрын
The universe is unkind and earthlings take their home for granted. Trisolarians are super united. They do not waste time and energy on useless internal wars, selfish gains and striving for meaningless egoistic achievements. Everything they do is for the benefit of the whole civilisation and that's a major reason why they progress. That's high intelligence.
@cylontoaster7660
@cylontoaster7660 Ай бұрын
@@EzraMerrI also think the concept of 'Dark Forest' makes little sense. Any civilization advanced enough to send a solar system/planet destroying weapon from lightyears away with pinpoint accuracy presumably also has the ability to image said solar system or planet with enough fidelity or would work towards developing technology that allows them to locate such systems. I mean, if you devote your entire civilization to the concept of eradicating any intelligent life in the universe, it makes little sense that you develop accurate interstellar weapons and not a means of proactively locating targets of opportunity without waiting for passive radiowave transmission or whatever. The concept in the books of fear of resource competition also makes little sense. The Trisolarians are interested in living on the Earth as a replacement for their planet, so their plan makes sense. A habitable world that meets your needs would be a rare resource. But aliens deciding to delete your entire solar system because of fear of resource competition makes less sense - unless you develop FTL travel, resources in other systems are only going to be useful in the system itself or if they are in very close proximity with your home system then you might be able to bring them back.
@Colencence
@Colencence Жыл бұрын
Lou Ji addressing sophon is a very badass part of this book.
@tuckernutter
@tuckernutter Жыл бұрын
9:40 I find it warming in this hyper cynical series that, despite Luo Ji completely aware of cosmic sociology and the Dark Forest, that he felt the need to pray that he wasn't destroying a planet with life. In a universe where all life is a threat: sparing a civilization is the ultimate form of compassion.
@JustJoellly
@JustJoellly Жыл бұрын
Or foolishness.
@hastur_kinginyellow5310
@hastur_kinginyellow5310 Жыл бұрын
@@JustJoellly cause folding reality in on itself just in case there may be somebody over there is sooooo smart
@JustJoellly
@JustJoellly Жыл бұрын
@@hastur_kinginyellow5310 did you not watch the video? Destroying a civilization before it has the opportunity to technologically progress in any way is purely a tactical move. From your perspective, folding reality is not a smart move, but for a species that can alter its own dimensionality, folding reality is clearly a necessity in their minds to ensure their technological superiority remains unchallenged.
@xenn4985
@xenn4985 Жыл бұрын
@@hastur_kinginyellow5310 My brother in christ if your empire exists through six FUCKING SIX dimensional collapses do you think a seventh is going to be a major problem? Especially considering the thing you're forgetting. The species that did that was in a war with other civilizations that ALSO had the technology to fold reality in on itself. It was considered an inevitability, and the only reason they used the technology sparingly was for practicalities sake.
@hastur_kinginyellow5310
@hastur_kinginyellow5310 Жыл бұрын
They can be as tactful as they want. There is nothing smart about it. Eventually there will be one dimension left. Then where the super smart guys gonna go then. Burning the house down to kill who might be in it, will only leave you trapped in the basement .
@forgettable8300
@forgettable8300 Жыл бұрын
The idea of being a wall facer is seriously insane to think about like you could just wake up and everyone you know everything you did this for is gone but you still have a job to do and have to help out people you may have never even had a chance to meet or know of it's truly a cool concept
@DekkarJr
@DekkarJr Жыл бұрын
Id do it tomorrow if i could LOL :D
@BAKALOID02
@BAKALOID02 Жыл бұрын
I saw it as the equivalent of being a messiah, which Luo Ji did refer to himself. Unimaginable influence and power, but in reality, a sacrifice to mankind's sins
@andy7666
@andy7666 Жыл бұрын
(Spoiler) You have to doff a fractal of Fedoras to Luo Ji for doing that and then his next thankless "task" of Sword Hollder for so damn long. And no thanks either.. And wtf is Mundicide? Need to look that up. n., the destruction of an entire world. Pretty obvious I suppose.. Lol!
@Dave_of_Mordor
@Dave_of_Mordor 9 ай бұрын
wouldn't it be better if they pick people who have no friends or family to do the job? How did they pick these wall facers?
@antibull4869
@antibull4869 5 ай бұрын
People gather around that which we don’t understand. I genuinely think the only way to unite humanity IRL is to discover an extraterrestrial species (ideally a threat).
@doodleblos7983
@doodleblos7983 Ай бұрын
I know I’m spoiling the books for myself, but I can’t stop watching your videos man!!
@jesselaw2575
@jesselaw2575 26 күн бұрын
Honestly they're better than the books in my opinion.
@monochromeUji
@monochromeUji 21 күн бұрын
Doing exactly this right now
@thetsarofall8666
@thetsarofall8666 Жыл бұрын
Thats a smart way to circumvent the issue. Mutually assured destruction for both parties. A suicide pact of cooperation. Cooperate, or we both die. Enforced, yet stable, peace.
@whoaitstiger
@whoaitstiger Жыл бұрын
Minor nitpick: the Doomsday Battle is what destroyed most of the fleet. The Battle in Darkness was actually the interhuman conflict that occurred later at the edge of the Solar system. Great content as usual!
@Zklapp1
@Zklapp1 Жыл бұрын
Neat…
@arielathomo229
@arielathomo229 Жыл бұрын
DUDE....SPOILER
@whoaitstiger
@whoaitstiger Жыл бұрын
@@arielathomo229 I'm not spoiling anything Quinn isn't already spoiling in the video.
@silent_stalker3687
@silent_stalker3687 Жыл бұрын
@@arielathomo229 bro you spoiled the book yourself. It was you Barry, I did nothing. You spoiled the book yourself!
@BimboBaggings
@BimboBaggings Жыл бұрын
That slow build up to the battle in darkness is something else.
@CLARKCLOUT
@CLARKCLOUT Жыл бұрын
More three body content please 🙏🏽 absolutely love this series and glad you're giving it the attention it deserves.
@nahtesalinas1917
@nahtesalinas1917 Жыл бұрын
I read (no...I absorbed) all three books and yet I have questions. Thank you Quinn for this series of videos. You are a wonderful person.
@internetera1523
@internetera1523 Жыл бұрын
It would be cool to still have a ASOIAF video once every blue moon
@CLARKCLOUT
@CLARKCLOUT Жыл бұрын
@@internetera1523 still haven't read those or bothered with the show either. Maybe I'll give em a shot if George ever finishes them 🤷‍♂️
@sultanbaba1230
@sultanbaba1230 Жыл бұрын
while the books are great and his videos as well. I think that this author shouldnt be given any coverage as he supports the genocide currently commited by the PCR on the uyghurs
@CLARKCLOUT
@CLARKCLOUT Жыл бұрын
@@sultanbaba1230 oof that's not a good look 😔
@vahnn0
@vahnn0 Жыл бұрын
After listening to you describing the Trisolaran fleet destroying Earth's fleet in a video a while back, I immediately stopped the video and ordered the whole series. Just started and finished the first book last week, and I'm about to start The Dark Forest. The first book was excellent and I'm super excited to finish this series. Then I'll be back to watch these videos! You do great work, duder.
@Ink129
@Ink129 Жыл бұрын
Oh, The Dark Forest is SO good - the best book in a truly excellent series, IMO.
@markkuz69
@markkuz69 Жыл бұрын
I'm starting to consider getting the trilogy thanks to Quinn's videos as far as I can observe, from everyone who have read it, that is a really good sci fi series.
@macdeus2601
@macdeus2601 Жыл бұрын
@@markkuz69 The series is good, but the second book (Dark Forest) in particular is an absolute masterpiece.
@JohnCThomas24
@JohnCThomas24 Жыл бұрын
I'm on Death's End currently and so far my favorite just due to my likes but The Dark Forest was incredible.
@fernandoruiz4963
@fernandoruiz4963 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnCThomas24 so the order would be the 3 body problem, the dark forest and last death end?
@olodesu
@olodesu Жыл бұрын
The Dark Forest final was incredible. Luo dug his own grave and made an ultimatum that will, if executed, destroy both civilizations. It was incredibly well written, very powerful. Honestly, I feel like this is the true final to the story. The 3rd book, while being interesting to read, was more like "what if" continuation of the story.
@CuttingEdges
@CuttingEdges Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agreed. Luo Ji holding the two civilisations at a stalemate was an incredible moment. I too consider The Three-Body Problem and The Dark Forest as Act I and Act II, with Death’s End being the extension.
@SpyFromMarsZeus
@SpyFromMarsZeus 3 ай бұрын
You’re absolutely correct. Liu, when interviewed by the press, revealed that he actually planned to end the series at book2 since it did not sell well at all at that time. That’s why he killed off Zhang Beihai at book 2 despite so much effort in portraying him. But he was gladly surprised that the series started to sell and thus the third book.
@narxes
@narxes 2 ай бұрын
@@SpyFromMarsZeus I'm glad he did, cause death's end is my favorite of the three. While I liked Dark Forest, I prefer the explosion of ideas and the leaps in time in Death's End that made me turn pages like a madman wanting to know how far it goes lmao
@hdl9756
@hdl9756 Ай бұрын
in fact,he was going to end this series after the dark forest
@olodesu
@olodesu Ай бұрын
@@hdl9756 I didn't know that. But it makes sense if it's true.
@kbkeeto
@kbkeeto Жыл бұрын
Read these books because of your videos, and found your channel because of the Dune content. Great sci-fi, but the tone you set in your videos is perfect and makes the broader concepts in the writing even scarier. Keep up the good work and I hope you never run out of commentary for Quinn's Ideas. You're a natural story teller. I'm not a graphic novel person, but I will be picking up your book to enjoy something truly original
@The1stDukeDroklar
@The1stDukeDroklar Жыл бұрын
Same
@ecbrown6151
@ecbrown6151 Жыл бұрын
Same same, these vids plus the impending release of Dune got me to reread and continue that series as well as The Three Body Problem
@mr.joshua6818
@mr.joshua6818 Жыл бұрын
Quinn is definitely the best on KZfaq
@oscar7513
@oscar7513 Жыл бұрын
Same!
@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587
@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587 Жыл бұрын
he has a book? dayum
@arielathomo229
@arielathomo229 Жыл бұрын
Luo ji, the greatest wallfacer and swordholder. Man, i am such a big fan of that man. Fun fact: luo ji deterrence power was around 90% but there is another character called wade whose deterrence power was of 100%, trisolaris considered him as a real devil.
@amanjanko3950
@amanjanko3950 Жыл бұрын
What does it mean, having 100% deterrence power? Like would he have been more ruthless in using the sword?
@arielathomo229
@arielathomo229 Жыл бұрын
@@amanjanko3950 i guess so
@gravitascascade5798
@gravitascascade5798 Жыл бұрын
@@amanjanko3950 That means that there's a 100 percent chance that the swordholder will carry out the deterrence threat if trisolarians act agressively
@mrcliff3709
@mrcliff3709 Жыл бұрын
Yep Thomas Wade, either a hero or a monster depends on who you talk to, is who you are thinking of
@nixon2tube
@nixon2tube Жыл бұрын
@@amanjanko3950 It means he would have pushed the button for sure 100% if deterrence failed.
@premnas651
@premnas651 Жыл бұрын
Quinn, you are a genius at communicating that which you enjoy and appreciate about the works you discuss. I have always enjoyed your content, but as a creator you've recently taken things to the next level. This video is brilliant- the dialogue, artwork, and musical score are all top-shelf. I had already read the Dune series, including Brian Herbert's novels, which is how I learned about your channel, and thanks to you, I'm now privy to authors such as Cixin Liu and Adrian Tchaikovsky. Thank you so much, and as always, I'm looking forward to your future videos. Good luck in all your endeavors.
@nahtesalinas1917
@nahtesalinas1917 Жыл бұрын
I love how Quinn covers the end of the 2nd novel when the sophons make a deal with that guy. They insist he put his gun away. Hell they even offer to contact local emergency services, lol. Brilliant.
@LoopcrateAudio
@LoopcrateAudio Жыл бұрын
You inspired me to pick up the first book after coming across one of your videos quite a few months ago. Just finished Deaths End and its gotta be one of my favorite sci-fi series ever. Cixin Liu’s writing and tone can be very cold and calculated, while other times deeply poetic. The contrast makes for some seriously great sci-fi horror.
@tdsdave
@tdsdave Жыл бұрын
Just finished Death End myself , it was a great series . The writing at times was culturally difficult to parse , but on the whole I enjoyed the challenge . Good books .
@alaricvis09
@alaricvis09 Жыл бұрын
Same. Quinn first exposed me to this series and I've subjected my coworkers to listening to the audiobooks on the way to jobsites for the last couple weeks. Just finished it today. It's going to take a while for me to fully internalize it all.
@TheJoshtheboss
@TheJoshtheboss Жыл бұрын
I'll be probably minority, but I found Book 1 and Book 2 quite underwhelming. To be fair 2nd half of Dark Forest was pretty good. But Death's End, wow what a read. One of the best books I've ever read. Obviously Book 1 was needed for context and to explain the Trisolaris. For me it would have been better as 2 Book series. Largely reduxed book 1 combined with slightly reduxed Book 2. Book 3 was perfect!
@92Vreid88
@92Vreid88 Жыл бұрын
I've had a terrible week and this video allowed me to escape into a new world for a while, thank you for the amazing work you put in.
@lukerozsa7455
@lukerozsa7455 Жыл бұрын
Me too.
@TheOringinalBumber
@TheOringinalBumber Жыл бұрын
Same
@KimmOrwente
@KimmOrwente Жыл бұрын
I've read the series few years ago, but only relatively recently realized one stupidly simple thing, which allowed me to appreciate Cixin Liu's subtle genius even more - development of story for all three books (TBO and DF especially) is pretty much unwillingly masterminded by just single person, Ye Wenje, due to personal tragedies of her life, and forgiveness toward childishly cruel humanity as whole later in life. She is one of the most believable written human personalities I ever encountered, despite not even being developed that much throughout the series.
@squeak5242
@squeak5242 Жыл бұрын
Yeah and the butterfly effect that goes with it all the effects of one little cause most of us see in our lives all the hardships all the bad shot we see it’s why the governments give us terrible food to make us weaker so we can’t revolt against what is to come
@kejingdu1384
@kejingdu1384 Жыл бұрын
I love the confrontation between trisolarians and LuoJi! I literally got chills reading that. Please do another episode on Yun Tianming and his three tales!
@HighLordBlazeReborn
@HighLordBlazeReborn Жыл бұрын
I always thought it should have an instrumental version of "You can't always get what you want" just as it dawn's on the audience what Luo ji did, if that scene was ever put on screen. End the episode/movie with the song at full crescendo
@nian89
@nian89 Жыл бұрын
Just finished The Dark Forest book, and wow it's one of the best sci-fi books I've ever read. I'm starting with the third book tonight and looking forward to continuing this truly epic story :)
@mrnice4434
@mrnice4434 Жыл бұрын
Have fun it's a wild ride :)
@avgvstvs96
@avgvstvs96 Жыл бұрын
I also just started reading Death's End tonight, been reading it for7 and a half hours and couldn't put it down until I finally forced myself to. I find it hard to describe to vastness of the concepts in this series, it's like forcing a perspective as vast as the universe into a feeble human mind. It's a masterpiece.
@denizgur
@denizgur Жыл бұрын
I see your new video, I watch. I'm a simple man.
@TheEvirdrevo
@TheEvirdrevo Жыл бұрын
And liking before the video started
@zeptepi7931
@zeptepi7931 7 ай бұрын
This content the most captivating I have come across. Time slows, urgency disappears and interest never wavers. I couldn't recall what I had seen on YT that had made order these books. Rediscovering this channel is the best thing YT has gifted me. I have a sense of belonging and feel privileged to be here amongst your audience.
@alishaherbitter6278
@alishaherbitter6278 Жыл бұрын
This series has been amazing, please continue it!
@desertrat3029
@desertrat3029 Жыл бұрын
I’m almost done with “Death’s End”, incredible series. Thank you Quinn for introducing it to me and many others!!
@igor.chernyy
@igor.chernyy Жыл бұрын
That was amazing! Three Body Problem is at the top of my reading list now. This would make such an awesome TV series.
@riverplate0101
@riverplate0101 5 ай бұрын
It's debuting soon
@ConanNYC
@ConanNYC 3 ай бұрын
@@riverplate0101there is one already on Amazon prime
@nomar229
@nomar229 Ай бұрын
I hope you were able to watch it
@chungwayne1624
@chungwayne1624 Ай бұрын
Netflix did it but ... im sorry, the show sucks for book readers.
@mattjj72089
@mattjj72089 Жыл бұрын
Your postulations on sci fi are incredibly well done, going further than the usual regurgitation of common tropes and obvious plot devices. You seamlessly begin a discussion behind the major concepts and themes behind everything you cover. I have not read this series yet but from your coverage, it seems like some of the greatest scifi I've heard of in a long time. This channel deserves to be bigger. On a side note, think about doing sci fi narrations, and if you do I'd be happy to lend my voice pro bono for any additional characters.
@Lohanujuan
@Lohanujuan Жыл бұрын
I originally started watching for your dune content, but I am pleasantly surprised with the steady new content. I wouldn’t have heard about A LOT of science fiction if not for your videos I leave a like everytime and try to comment here and there. It’s not much, but i appreciate your content and it’s something
@Itsgay2read
@Itsgay2read Жыл бұрын
Seriously appreciate the work you put into these videos. I love the Remembrance of Earths Past, and you really nail all the points I've found fascinating about Liu's work!
@akinsamuel2007
@akinsamuel2007 2 ай бұрын
Cix Liu should get a Nobel Prize for such brilliant concepts
@UpcycleShoesKai
@UpcycleShoesKai Ай бұрын
Meah. Mass Effect did it first. Well Dune did it first. The people coming back to the Empire after the scattering. Something was out there
@kimahrigirl
@kimahrigirl Жыл бұрын
Your content convinced me to read this series! The more you post the more I LOVE it! I talk it up all of the time and have convinced others to read it. Thanks for all you do!
@samtrevino
@samtrevino Жыл бұрын
Listened to your first video about this series a few months back and immediately picked up this series. I finished it in about a week. Love your videos.
@absurdcamus4619
@absurdcamus4619 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see another video on this series! You put me on to this series and it's definitely my favorite sci-fi series now! Cixin Liu has been very impactful in how I view space travel and out future now.
@clintonleonard5187
@clintonleonard5187 Жыл бұрын
More Three Body Problem! That's what introduced me to your channel, and the book is still bouncing around in my head. One of the best sci-fi books I've read.
@gleep23
@gleep23 Жыл бұрын
I've started listening to The Three Body Problem than your readings from The Three Body Problem. Your explanation of game theory and the dark forest made it really clear how intriguing this series would be. I've learnt about a few other novels and authors through your channel. Thanks for your work.
@uploads2012amc
@uploads2012amc Жыл бұрын
Just discovered the channel - LOVE LOVE LOVE your content! Thank you so much for sharing your analysis with us here so generously. I was blown away by the books - these videos are giving me LIFE!
@karthikeyan-qw6zn
@karthikeyan-qw6zn Жыл бұрын
What a coincidence. You are releasing the video on Dark forest the same day I finished reading the first book, The three body problem. Thanks to you, I stared reading this series after watching your videos. Your narration is wonderful. Been following your channel for a while. You have previously convinced me to read Dune and Hyperion but now I enjoy three body problem series more.
@mystea840
@mystea840 Жыл бұрын
OMG QUINN!!! You put me on to the 3 body series and it rocked my foundation - it’s my fave sci fi now. Now I get a 30 min video about it?? You spoil me so 😫
@GGrev
@GGrev Жыл бұрын
Your commentary and narration of The Three Body series and Dune are always amazing.
@girugamesh9001
@girugamesh9001 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely ADORE your content about this series and I cannot get enough of it!
@jimmyb79
@jimmyb79 Жыл бұрын
I’m really enjoying this series, thank you for posting.
@nilothesage
@nilothesage Жыл бұрын
Such a great book series, thank you for covering it as much as you have 🙌🏽
@slouch186
@slouch186 Жыл бұрын
I've heard of the three body problem series a couple times but this was the first time someone really got me interested in it. great video!
@dontmatter1368
@dontmatter1368 Жыл бұрын
I don't think I've been as hooked into a story/series synopsis/interpretation, this wonderful thing you do, perhaps ever. The day I finally pick up these books for myself draws ever closer, but till then, I eagerly await 😍
@abstractedaway
@abstractedaway Жыл бұрын
Having read this series specifically because of the introduction Quinn made on this channel, the books are fascinating sci-fi, and really well done. And yet, as a philosophical and sociological premise, their take is a bit extreme - peak Hobbesian red-in-tooth-and-claw. I would start with the fact that our actual forests are not dark. They're not petting zoos, either, so no appeals here from me to Rousseau, the usual opposite of Hobbes, neither of whom survive current critique in the field of anthropology. But the important thing about sci-fi? It has a brilliant way of introducing a premise, and getting the conversation started. These novels accomplish exactly that.
@plinfan6541
@plinfan6541 Жыл бұрын
Also, forests on earth are examples of complex mechanism, were lifeforms can exists not just in opposition but benifiting from eachother, so boiling it down to "Kill or be killed, nothing inbetween", is a very extreme View.
@joshuabacker2363
@joshuabacker2363 Жыл бұрын
@@plinfan6541 Kinda. It's always a zero sum game no matter how you slice it. But interstellar scales just make it much more extreme and remove much of the nuance.
@Anacronian
@Anacronian Жыл бұрын
Mutually assured destruction(MAD) is an insane concept, But it works, in fact in some situations it is the only thing that works.
@diamond_sutra111
@diamond_sutra111 Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of videos detailing/summarizing the Dark Forest theory, but this is hands down the best and most thorough treatment of it. Thanks Quinn!
@freakyzed8467
@freakyzed8467 Жыл бұрын
Don't know if you read these, but thank you so much for your work, friend. You put so much passion into explaining books and ideas I may not have read or contemplated, and it is greatly appreciated. There isn't enough time in this life for me to do all the work, and to have your words is a great asset, resource, and comfort. A kindred spirit I will never meet. Again, thank you.
@ascendrio
@ascendrio Жыл бұрын
Just finished reading deaths end. This trilogy was riveting, cosmic horror at it's finest.
@igodreamer7096
@igodreamer7096 Жыл бұрын
The explanation about the Dark Forest, man that is terrifying as hell
@femmedracula6857
@femmedracula6857 Жыл бұрын
Reading this trilogy was really unsettling. Also, I really enjoy your videos deconstructing and summarizing it. The analysis adds a lot.
@Xibyth
@Xibyth Жыл бұрын
Love how you break these concepts down, a layman of existential philosophy could not grasp the horror, but you make it so clear and concise with compromising the immensity of these thought experiments.
@juanlove1980
@juanlove1980 Жыл бұрын
Love the break downs!!! Read TTBP & TDF back to back earlier this year but haven’t been able to get past the first hand full of chapters of DE due to some life/work changes 😫 but.. Hoping I can finish it this summer. It’s interesting that DE is written in like a timeline form. Looking forward to content on this!
@johnturner8802
@johnturner8802 Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic book series! I love your explanation of the bigger topics covered in it!
@blazednlovinit
@blazednlovinit Жыл бұрын
Most videos on youtube I half-listen to in the background while playing games, I had no problems dedicating all of my conscious awareness to this video and had me leaning into the screen. Keep up the great work mate.
@Unit-3475
@Unit-3475 7 ай бұрын
20:48 - You know, the feeling of relief that I experienced when I first read this ultimatum was hardly comparable.
@theodorebear6714
@theodorebear6714 Жыл бұрын
*Luo Ji is a hero.* The respect I have for him and the honor of his dedication is deeply sacred. His tenacity and unwavering fortitude is what I would train and hope to have every moment of my life. A true warrior will never hesitate to kill for the sake of his mission and Luo Ji chose his mission wisely.
@mousqy
@mousqy Ай бұрын
makes star trek seems like children stories
@chaucermcdoogle6011
@chaucermcdoogle6011 Ай бұрын
Both are good stories that make interesting points. It's silly to dismiss one because the other is more cynical. Playing the game of a dark forest predator seems to guarantee your civilization's later destruction, even within the series.
@eternal_napalm6442
@eternal_napalm6442 28 күн бұрын
Minus some Deep Space Nine
@jerrysstories711
@jerrysstories711 Жыл бұрын
A lot of stories are more interesting summary than to actually read. This is one of them. I'm so grateful for your channel, Quinn!
@julianotx
@julianotx Жыл бұрын
This playlist is amazing! Please continue making videos about this book series.
@daniellane419
@daniellane419 Жыл бұрын
Always look forward to your content. And like everything else you’ve put out… This does not disappoint.
@danakerjbam
@danakerjbam Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, This series has pushed you to another level. One future idea I’d love to see you tackle is the series’ dramatization and exploration of the concept of morality - what is good? What is evil? Does time make such considerations pointless? Or more important than anything? I don’t think it offers an ultimate answer, but I do think it’s one of Liu’s major preoccupations. Peace.
@wangbot47
@wangbot47 Жыл бұрын
Honk
@halo4176
@halo4176 Жыл бұрын
Living for three body problem content now. Please keep it coming!
@MrArukimasu
@MrArukimasu Жыл бұрын
I’m really enjoying your analyses of various elements of these stories. Luo Ji becoming the sword holder was my favourite character development of the series.
@michelmontezuma4654
@michelmontezuma4654 Жыл бұрын
Your take on this series is really good. One can even use to teach the concept of civilization throught human history.
@tonoornottono
@tonoornottono Жыл бұрын
my favorite thing about TBP is that i finished it a good while ago, and i don’t consciously think about it, but every once in a while a deeper realization about the meaning of the dark forest state will explode into my head. kinda like how luo ji wasn’t a Real Wallfacer until his wife was taken, and then suddenly all of this background information just clicked into place. in a way i think that his wallfacer experience echoes the experience of the reader in the way that they absorb the information.
@Raumance
@Raumance Жыл бұрын
What I love about your videos is the tone and incantation makes it so you can get lost in it much like a book.
@LuckyTechy
@LuckyTechy Жыл бұрын
I'm so happy i found this series. And slightly disappointed in myself for not listening to your advice about reading the books first! Thanks for the great content, been a while since i've been this hooked on anything on YT.
@BrunofanofK
@BrunofanofK Жыл бұрын
Once I read in a book that having trust is like being lost at sea: there is no end to it. Even if all member of the crew work together, a single person can ruin what all worked together to achieve, he can throw the ship's oars to the sea when everybody is sleeping or penetrate the rue of the ship. That is why Dark Forest is such as scary notion.
@nidohime6233
@nidohime6233 Жыл бұрын
In other words is like the prisoner's dilemma, the only way to keep the survival of two hypothetical advance civilizations is by not shooting the other in the first place.
@TheBayzent
@TheBayzent Жыл бұрын
Sounds like West v Russia relations since the Cold War
@inpusket
@inpusket Жыл бұрын
There is almost 0 reason for an alien civilisation to destroy another. The only reasonable one is if one civilization is a predator. An advanced enough one has the means to manipulate stars and galaxies so they have no need for resources,they only need knowledge,and a live civilization gives them more knowledge than a dead one.
@cedricsankara9809
@cedricsankara9809 Жыл бұрын
Quinn, you’re the man! Read the first book and just finished the Dark Forest because I wanted to watch these videos. You’re brilliant. Keep it up
@jimgu2578
@jimgu2578 Жыл бұрын
Very well-researched and well-formatted synopsis. Thank you!
@c.s.hayden3022
@c.s.hayden3022 Жыл бұрын
I’m interested in reading this series now. I’ve lately contemplated the dark forest theory and different takes on cosmic horror. It seems like the most apoetic solution to the Fermi paradox, but feels increasingly true the more I realize how inextricably linked intelligence is to the rough environment it grew out of. I love how you isolate the ideas in science fiction and base a whole channel on it.
@xenn4985
@xenn4985 Жыл бұрын
Ultimately, the legitimacy of the dark forest theory relies on an assumed technological paradigm. In reality we have absolutely no idea just how capable a civilizations technology can become. It's very possible that technology can reach a level where the key points of the dark forest theory are rendered moot.
@pythonxz
@pythonxz Жыл бұрын
​@@xenn4985 Like if it's impossible to move anything FTL, no matter how advanced your technology is.
@GeneTakovic225
@GeneTakovic225 Ай бұрын
LMAO. Your comment just like the rest here, is completely ignorant. Maybe you should read on what Neoteny did to us. Intelligence flourishes when there's less stress, you genius. The books are pure scientific hogwash when it comes to understanding where intelligence arises. It arises from complex sociality and cooperation. All the mammals that recognize themselves in a mirror have a few things in common. Chief among them is having few or no predators and having complex social behaviors like conflict resolution.
@CMDR_Verm
@CMDR_Verm Жыл бұрын
Great video. I was startled to discover that some people cannot conceive of alien contact that would be anything other than friendly. Their reasoning is that any species that is high in intelligence would, by definition, be non-aggressive. This subject also cropped up in your video about Blindsight by Peter Watts, another novel I loved reading. Anthropomorphism seems hard-wired into some folks which is strange because plenty of Nazis were highly intelligent but completely lacking in empathy.
@waldemarmarwalde6817
@waldemarmarwalde6817 Жыл бұрын
"I was startled to discover that some people cannot conceive of alien contact that would be anything other than friendly. " Well the author of this book seem to be incapable of conceiving a contact to be anything but beeing insanely aggressive... Which is equally insane. "Their reasoning is that any species that is high in intelligence would, by definition, be non-aggressive." Humanity itself seem to be a counter example to that theory. "Anthropomorphism seems hard-wired into some folks " We are the only technological species we know of. Using ourself as an example can be misleading. But it is better then dreaming off random shit. " plenty of Nazis were highly intelligent but completely lacking in empathy." Yes. Please keep in mind that you complaining about the nazis lack of empathy for our own species. Empathy for other species... that is an entirely different topic One might open ones eyes to the possibility that aliens might see us how we see chimpanzees. You know we DID manage to teach chimpanzees sign language We COULD communicate with them if we really wanted. Do you see some negotiation between humainty and chimpanzeedom anywhere in the future? That we ask the chimpanzees about their opinion how to distribute terretory and resources? It is not going to happen. Is it? Instead we are constantly fucking their life and habitat up in ways they can not even comprehent Not because we would hate them. And most certainly not because we would fear them. But just because we do not care enough about them to bother avoiding that.....
@CMDR_Verm
@CMDR_Verm Жыл бұрын
@@waldemarmarwalde6817 I couldn't agree more with all your points except for the statement ''using ourself as an example can be misleading.....random shit''. Isn't that the whole idea of SF in general? The generating of new concepts and ideas?
@waldemarmarwalde6817
@waldemarmarwalde6817 Жыл бұрын
​@@CMDR_Verm "Isn't that the whole idea of SF in general? The generating of new concepts and ideas?" Well fair point. But please notice that I am expecting from SF a bit more then that. For example some level of logical consistency. Example given. I have no probem that somebody bases their story on the assumpting that there is a civilisation that acts like an insane murder hobo. There might be all kind of reasons why this particular civilisation acts that way. But if somebody tells me that it is a logical neccessity that all civilisation must act like insane murder hobos This tribbers my: "No they do not. You are making up bullshit" reflex It is a difference to introduce a concept or idea that is possible. Or to declare something necessary.
@kingmewto7148
@kingmewto7148 5 ай бұрын
@@waldemarmarwalde6817I kind of agree since some aliens might not think of humans as intelligent so will simply wipe them out. However,there must be alien species which have empathy towards humans
@Arkzard
@Arkzard Жыл бұрын
Man your videos made me compulsively buy the whole trilogy! You are a remarkable storyteller! 👏🏽
@luizotavio2116
@luizotavio2116 Жыл бұрын
Your videos on this series are what made me read the books. THANK YOU SO MUCH! Now let's see what else you make me want to read.
@garethmitchell7723
@garethmitchell7723 Жыл бұрын
Loved this series of books thanks to you for recommending them.
@carmina-solis
@carmina-solis Жыл бұрын
I watched the other five videos on this book series a few days ago and am already a third through the first one. Thank you so much for an excellent recap! And I am so excited to see another video. I’ve loved your stuff since the Lovecraft of ASOIAF video. Keep going strong, Quinn!
@daizenmarcurio
@daizenmarcurio Жыл бұрын
Im still reading through it, im at the part where they're explaining this virtual reality game with the suit that simulates the effects of the game. Its kinda confusing so far but I'm definitely enjoying it
@lo-rez
@lo-rez Жыл бұрын
Quinn this is amazing! Haven't read the books myself, but your explanation and tone make me feel as though I am Please keep it going!
@BuffDaddySmoove
@BuffDaddySmoove Жыл бұрын
BRO THE WAY LUO WENT OFF ON THEM WAS AMAZING!!!!!! i dont read but damn this story is so good especially listening to you while im 🌳🌳 is the cherry on top. Gets me thinking so much that i have to constantly rewind because my train of thought just keeps going wild with theories and questions.
@andreasfoerster772
@andreasfoerster772 Жыл бұрын
It is clear that Cixin Liu is a genius and that he did his homework on basic deterrence theory, but I have a few criticisms of Cosmic Sociology based on the international relations theory known as Defensive Neorealism: 1. This theory assumes that civilizations will keep progressing in levels of power so that they can project this power across space with ease, and do so in a manner that makes annihilation of a civilization easier than conquest. This is flawed, because it ignores both logistics and the fact that technological development is often tied to crises of survival. So if civilizations do not expand, which is necessary for this line of thought to work (see point 3), then it is unlikely they could acquire the required resources for infinite technological progress, or at least the resources needed to sustain this power indefinitely. 2. You can only be sure of success in a first strike if the enemy is far below your “survival level”, because if they can survive your strike, they will move and/or look for you. And there’s no guarantee they have don’t have a way of tracking your attack back to you, since technological progress being near infinite makes almost anything possible given enough time, even if it seems completely absurd to you at the moment. And if the enemy is at or beyond your survival, it must be assumed the same is true in destructive power. Moreover, they could learn the truth of cosmic sociology, and project your location to the rest of the universe. Since civilizations that do not understand cosmic sociology and/or are weak in survival and destructive power are not going to be threats for some time, it would be best to simply leave them alone anyway. Since you cannot be sure that this is the case when a civilization is discovered, it is best to leave them be. There is an argument in the Dark Forrest that technological explosions can happen in an instant (in terms of universal time, which unlike us, measures itself by billions of years), meaning by the time communication is received, relativity and/or the time it takes for light or waves to travel the distance, a weaker civilization could have jumped ahead of the initially stronger one. This still does not work, because the same concept would mean that this would only apply to civilizations that are “close” to each other’s level of power (that could be dozens, hundreds, or even several thousands of years). Are we really prepared to assume that a single explosion could close a massive gap such as a million years? Moreover, given the premises of the overall argument, we must assume that this technological progress, whether uneven or not, is universal. Therefore, it is not as if the stronger civilization is standing still whilst the weaker one progresses rapidly. And as technology, knowledge and resources increase, so do potential for an increase in each one of these. Therefore, while an explosion may seem impressive during the initial phases of a civilization’s progress, this is only because it is continuously escaping primitivity in a sense. This is illusory, and so cannot allow for a logical transition to the idea that a civilization far behind another can catch up at all, let alone in a time that will worry the stronger of the two. 3. Expansion and the development of alliances would limit the ability of other civilizations to destroy you in one blow. 4. Destruction is both economically and systemically inefficient. Yes, survival and sovereignty are always going to be prioritized, but these are almost always choices made in crises, because of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs; when the immediate need to protect such things is not apparent, a civilization will focus on less pressing issues, but those that are ultimately useful in the long run. Moreover, the political system does not like overreach, because balance of power is key to orienting both individual state actors and their interrelations. 5. As explained in Death’s End, such destructive conflicts, the constant progress of genocidal weaponry and the ability of lower dimensional species to best survive by changing the special environment so only they may live in it, can have a disastrous, even apocalyptic effect on the universe. Who is to say that advanced civilizations do not realize this pattern, and seek to modify not only their own behaviour, but others as well, to stop this terrible cycle? After all, what is the point of survival now, when it makes death in the future guaranteed? Look at climate change right now: sure it has been difficult getting the fast-paced and radical changes many desire, but the world is indeed uniting over this existential threat. Such threats do not eliminate conflict, tensions, the threat of annihilation, or denial of the evidence, but they do decrease them considerably. 6. Who is to say that advanced civilizations are still capable of being destroyed? Perhaps they are pure energy, or not tied to a star, or exist at the quantum level, etc?
@docgonzobordel
@docgonzobordel Жыл бұрын
It seems to me that some of your concerns have been given an answer in the books
@andreasfoerster772
@andreasfoerster772 Жыл бұрын
@@docgonzobordel Really? Could you be more specific? I’m curious
@docgonzobordel
@docgonzobordel Жыл бұрын
​@@andreasfoerster772 It's quite complex to answer each of your points since I'm sick at the present time and not an english native speaker.. And you wrote a lot ^^ Point 3 : these alliances exists, but space is very populated, and some species just see extermination of possible threats (young technological societies) as we would see a cockroaches's nest destruction.. It's the case of the entities who destroy the Solar System in the books, and they are themselves at war with another civilization (or group of civilizations). Some of your points may find an answer in the fact ***Spoilers !*** That some civilizations are so ancients that they knew a time where the Universe was of more than 10 dimensions, our present one being the "residue" of billions of years of local war and exterminations by the use of dimensional weapons... Another point : there are alliances of civilizations that try to stabilize all that mess, or are in pursuit of others goals, but as I said, the Universe is a very populated place.. I can only advise you to read these books, seriously.
@andreasfoerster772
@andreasfoerster772 Жыл бұрын
@@docgonzobordel I’ve read all the books, so don’t worry about spoilers. As for your response to point 3 that would go against one of the premises of cosmic sociology that everything is done primarily for security purposes. We don’t feel threatened by cockroaches. As explained in the series and the video above, the point of destroying the inferior species is to prevent them from becoming too powerful in the future. And I’ve addressed that in depth in my arguments. If what you say is true, that alliances do exist, but simply there are so many civilizations that someone must behave as expressed in cosmic sociology, well then the theory stops being a law doesnt it? It’s just a “well maybe”, rather than a law of social interaction. And as I already noted, I think the alliances would stomp these rogue actors who try to destroy anything they come into contact with - just like how countries do the same with rogue states like North Korea, Iran and more recently, Russia
@andreasfoerster772
@andreasfoerster772 Жыл бұрын
@Rudolf Hillard Actually alliances work precisely when there is an imbalance of power. The purpose of alliances is what’s called “balancing”, that is, many groups ganging up to protect themselves from a potentially bigger fish, so to speak. But yes, alliances can form to allow for imbalances, such as a group joining forces to take on an enemy they couldn’t defeat alone. However, the system will always balance because a new alliance will emerge to counter the initial one. I do not see why this would not occur at a cosmic level. You say because of supposedly vast differences in power, but I already addressed that issue in my initial post. And your analogy of guns makes no sense, because it took centuries for gunpowder weaponry to supersede other forms of weaponry. And any historian of war knows that it is never technology that is the only, or main driving force behind conflict and their outcomes
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
I'm halfway through the third book now, was very enjoyable to hear you revisit this section of the series. I wish you were the one who narrated the book on Audible. BTW I never knew about this series until I saw your videos, it has been a wildly intents ride and I had to take a few breaks as it was starting to mess with my head a bit. It's way darker than I usually like but I'm loving it.
@wendohgermaine6448
@wendohgermaine6448 Жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd find you here. Great channel btw
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
@@wendohgermaine6448 oh yes sir! I've since finished the trilogy and the 4th book Redemption of Time and oh my goodness what an experience. I just jumped over to the much lighter hearted but still very good Shards of Earth (final architecture series) and I'm just waiting for the third book to come out and I have a few pages left in the last book of the Foundation series. Audio is fun and all but I enjoy sci fi much more :) cool bumping into you in Quinns page!
@existentialnihil
@existentialnihil Жыл бұрын
Please tell us more about the era's of mankind. Im specifically looking forward to learning about the galaxy era. Always a great time just sitting late at night and listening to your wonderful voice explain these books.
@notrocksci
@notrocksci Жыл бұрын
I loved the books and reliving them through your thoughtful retelling/ analysis is sublime.
@f-u-nkyf-u-ntime
@f-u-nkyf-u-ntime Жыл бұрын
I loved that trilogy, science fiction at its pinnacle. The way you summarise the dark forest and the eras of humanity leading up to and following it's discovery is flawless.
@nubiandavis2610
@nubiandavis2610 Жыл бұрын
Quinn, I read this 3 book trilogy after seeing your earlier videos about 2 months ago. I was VERY impressed with them. While centered on Chinese interaction (which I understand due to the author being Chinese) I enjoyed it very much. I am in the process of now listening them on Audible again to get a reinforcement on the story to cover things that I missed the first time around. I always wonder if the girl that Wallfacer 4 Luo Ji meets and interacts with was a construct of the Trisolarians sent to infiltrate him. It seems unclear to me and would love some insight on it. Keep up the great work!! Also - they are creating a mini series on this trilogy I hear. Will be interesting to watch and I truly hope Hulu gets it and not Netflix.
@D.2023
@D.2023 Жыл бұрын
You read all 3 in just 2 months? U mad hahaha
@alaricvis09
@alaricvis09 Жыл бұрын
For a character to be clever, the author must be clever. LuoJi's insights are Cixin Liu's insights. Cixin Liu is an absolute genius. What I like best about him, however, is how he tells us his methods. LuoJi's wife is a perfect example. If you look at the process LuoJi used to create this fake person (later made real), you see an interesting method of character creation. I imagine Cixin Liu is telling us how he creates characters.
@JoshLewSince1995
@JoshLewSince1995 Жыл бұрын
I found this book series from your recommendation and WOW! Thank you for your content, keeping it up! :)
@phillipswanson4055
@phillipswanson4055 Жыл бұрын
Great work Quinn, you have a great reading voice and I really enjoy your detailed and clear narration and articulation of these concepts.
@yibtstill
@yibtstill Жыл бұрын
Hi Quinn. Long time listener, ever since the GOT days. Love all the new content, and the focus on science fiction, cosmic horror, and general isaac-arthury bent your content has taken. I was wondering if you've ever read Blindsight, by Peter Watts, and if you'd be interested in doing a video on it. It's a First Contact novel about hyper intelligent aliens who never developed self awareness. They just solve problems and invent technology by reflex and instinct. It's also about AI, transhumanism, the nature and function of consciousness, and neuro-divergence in humans. It hits a lot of the same dystopian, and fatalistic themes as three body problem, while being slightly more american-action-movie-esq. Overall very enjoyable, and I think it'd be up your alley.
@williamc9578
@williamc9578 Жыл бұрын
Cixin Liu's Trilogy The Remembrance of Earth's Past is a fascinating sci-fi story of enormous depth and scope. I highly recommend it.
@robotichands72
@robotichands72 Жыл бұрын
love your videos, sometimes i have a hard time putting all of the information together, like i’ll get certain parts but not others and your videos help me see the picture as a whole. thank you
@matthewnardin7304
@matthewnardin7304 Жыл бұрын
Seriously awesome video! Absolutely love this series so thanks for making it!
@adav838
@adav838 Жыл бұрын
This story is absolutely insane! I've only read a handful of books in my life and hopefully I will find this one soon. I'd love to read it!
@JavaJunky
@JavaJunky Жыл бұрын
I read the first book in the series and stopped. Your video on the trilogy inspired me to give it another try. Holy smokes! By books 2 and 3 the story really takes off. I am currently up to the Bunker Era part of the story. Also, Dark Forest Theory is terrifying. So much for getting any sleep now :-P
@milklizard91
@milklizard91 Жыл бұрын
Great vid as always Quinn! The Dark forest was maybe the best Sci-Fi novel I have ever read. Love the three body content and would love more / a video on Death's End as well!
@daankw
@daankw Жыл бұрын
One of your best and most compelling videos yet! Keep it on!
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