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All about RC Brushless Motor Windings

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RCexplained

RCexplained

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@Shloppie
@Shloppie 2 жыл бұрын
I found you trying to make my RC car faster, now I'm getting a KZfaq Bachleors in electrical engineering. TY sir.
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, thanks for the awesome comment!
@GiveATryELECTRONICS
@GiveATryELECTRONICS 5 жыл бұрын
You deserve more subscriber's 👍🏼
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@andrewmckaig6133
@andrewmckaig6133 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the fantastic work! I love this technical deep dive stuff
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew
@RCPhysics
@RCPhysics 5 жыл бұрын
Again, great video! I know how difficult it can be to explain these concepts in "plain English" and enjoyed your presentation. Good luck growing your channel!
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment!
@greghawkins1025
@greghawkins1025 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your information. You're a good instructor.
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@timucinbahsi445
@timucinbahsi445 2 жыл бұрын
I have a bit of trouble finding anyone to ask these so i hope you see this. Why do we have to use cylindrical wires though? Let's say i want a 1 turn coil, i could just wrap a copper plate around with no gaps. I will have eliminated the volume and mass of the insulation as well. Also, when i run the calculations, given that the amount of copper and the power across the coil is the same, the magnetic force and the power used by magnetic reluctance stays the same. I could find nothing that could affect the speed or the torque that is a factor of turn count. I am obviously missing something but i can't put my finger on it. So far the only reason I can think of for varying the turn count is to control how much voltage I prefer to run the thing with.
@leemorales3884
@leemorales3884 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work man thanks a lot! -TX
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Lee, thank you for the awesome comment!
@AGodwin
@AGodwin 2 жыл бұрын
You sir, are a baller, thanks for the vid!
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment
@jasonbillsombilon6977
@jasonbillsombilon6977 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Thanks for you videos, Do you have identical video for Brushed motor?
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry. I do not.
@sptechnicalstudio9562
@sptechnicalstudio9562 3 жыл бұрын
Sr, how can dc motor wire wound calculation?
@justhackitfpv
@justhackitfpv 3 жыл бұрын
Hey can you tell me how much does winding cleanliness aka overlapping plays role in performance because my emax Ecos winding look so unpleasant all that mess they do with multi stranded wire
@BenjaminMarshallScienceMan
@BenjaminMarshallScienceMan 5 жыл бұрын
Super informative
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Benjamin!
@3deeguy
@3deeguy 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a tutorial on star vs delta sensorless bldc sensing? I have a delta wound motor and I'm trying to detect rotor position with comparators.
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I do not have a video on star vs delta. What is your goal or reason to detect rotor position?
@3deeguy
@3deeguy 4 жыл бұрын
​@@RCexplained, my goal is to build a DYI esc simply for the challenge and satisfaction of doing it. After I removed the stator of an E-max MT2204 to resolder one of the leads I noticed that it was delta wound. I wrote code to successfully spin the motor in open loop but each time I tried to switch to closed loop using a quad comparator I failed. I tested LED's on the comparator outputs; they flashed on and off. I tested voltage on the outputs; Too low...I need minimum 1.65v for logic high. I wrote a program to loop slowly through the complete commutation sequence to see if I was getting logic high anywhere in the sequence...nothing. Is it possible to get a neutral ground in a delta configuration? Should I replace the comparator with an ADC? I won't quit because I know it can be done. Aside from that, I subscribed to your channel because it is full of great content. Thanks for sharing.
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 жыл бұрын
That is a pretty sweet project you are working on. Not sure how you can get a neutral ground in this configuration. I don't have any practical experience with this type of design.
@3deeguy
@3deeguy 4 жыл бұрын
​@@RCexplained, I made some experiments and got the comparator to switch high and low which is encouraging but I still don't have the results I wanted. It's part of the fun. Thanks again.
@mohamadfaizul2154
@mohamadfaizul2154 2 жыл бұрын
I use 30 amp esc for 4000 kv bldc, why its getting hot when i use big prop for my boat...but when i use 2000 kv motor and the same prop its not getting hot
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 2 жыл бұрын
too much load for the hot motor
@edwardjackson3913
@edwardjackson3913 4 ай бұрын
What is the difference between 3d and 4d wind on tp motors
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 ай бұрын
Kv
@red_juan
@red_juan 3 жыл бұрын
Is the coil considered square, rectangular or round in a brushless motor ?
@mypanicbutton9194
@mypanicbutton9194 Ай бұрын
Question: Torcman offers many of its motors at a particular KV with a choice of winds e.g. 10, 12, 14 or 16. What difference does the number of winds make and is the difference significant?
@sptechnicalstudio9562
@sptechnicalstudio9562 3 жыл бұрын
Bldc motor winding formula?
@WhyNotCycles
@WhyNotCycles 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your great video presentation! My main concern with windings is to know what the difference when changing termination to a 36 slot star bldc. If for example terminated after the last pole of the 3 phases, 1 time per rotation, in contrast with every 3 slot termination, 12 times per rotation. How that effect Kv and torque? Thank you again!
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 5 жыл бұрын
HI, thank you for the comment! I don't quite understand what you are asking. Would you happen to have a diagram of the terminations you are looking at? Or you can list it out by nomencalture? ex. 36 slot, 4 pole, 2D vs 36 slot, 4 pole, 2Y
@WhyNotCycles
@WhyNotCycles 5 жыл бұрын
@@RCexplained thank you for your quick response! The motor im working on is a 36 slot, 48 pole (24pp) 12Y outrunner washing machine bldc which i change the winding termination.This used to be like 1 termination for all 3 phases and i have changed it like 1 termination every 3 poles, 12 in total.I have done this to help the motor deliver more torque at low voltage and higher amps, connecting with a common rc ESC.. I don't know if i make it clear. Any thoughts would be great!
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 5 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotCycles If as a result of your changes, the internal winding resistance of one phase decreases, I would expect that the Kv increased and you will see higher torque at lower voltages.
@WhyNotCycles
@WhyNotCycles 5 жыл бұрын
@@RCexplained Thanks again for your time! Recently i found your channel! Lots of infos there! Like the School of Brushless! Keep up the good work!
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 5 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotCycles thank you!
@adamdeste7376
@adamdeste7376 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, could you make a video on BLDC scooter motors ? Please explain how can we choose the motor that'll give good speed and decent torque. My electric scooter motor is 1500w, low KV high torque motor that operates on 72V. So basically I want to know if I can get this motor any faster without generating energy losses or should I buy a different motor. And what are the turn numbers and kV /wattage / voltage values should I look for for the new motor ?.
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam, If you try and push your motor harder, you will start to generate more heat. To get the motor to spin faster, choosing the right wind which equates to kv is important.
@mbchannel1037
@mbchannel1037 3 жыл бұрын
I need an advice. I planned to make an Electric Scooter as a school project. I have 200Watt motor, but I want to increase it to 500Watt. What should I do to increase the motor power?
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 3 жыл бұрын
You'd have to increase the motor size. Changing the winding only adjusts the voltage vs current relationship. It does not change wattage.
@mbchannel1037
@mbchannel1037 3 жыл бұрын
@@RCexplained Okay, thanks for the info. One more thing, what should I do to increase the speed? Do I have to add more batteries?
@99ville
@99ville 3 жыл бұрын
So with a y motor if I set my esc’s timing to 10 or higher it will give me more speed but will heat up faster in a 132ft drag race?
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 3 жыл бұрын
A higher timing setting will provide you with a higher top speed, however you will be sacrificing low end torque potential. For your drag race, you would have to do many trials using each setting, recording your elapsed time and trap speed. Choose the setting that most influences a positive shift in your times.
@99ville
@99ville 3 жыл бұрын
@@RCexplained thanks this is great info 👍🏾
@caleb1951
@caleb1951 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! I was wonder, how can motors handle so much current with such small wire?
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 жыл бұрын
Hello, you may see a very thin small wire inside the motor, however that wire is in parallel with many other strands. In some case all the wire that you see is of the same "turn." This would be true in a 1Y or 1D wind.
@caleb1951
@caleb1951 4 жыл бұрын
Oh ok that makes much sense, but I see motors online such as the tp 100 or the tp 100xl which is relatively small for how much power they can put out (96 hp or 72kw) they pull up to 600 amps of current, it just doesn’t seem like you’ll even have enough wires to handle that current, for how big the motor is (about 1 foot long and 6 inches in diameter) all those wires running in parallel still just doesn’t seem like enough to handle the upper 600s in current. Unless they are, could you maybe explain this if possible. Thank you!
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 жыл бұрын
@@caleb1951 The TP 100XL is a 4 turn motor with an Rm value of 0.00146 ohms. Working out what the equivalent wire gauge would be assuming a total turn length of 9-10 feet is 2AWG. That wire can handle some serious power. At 50 volts and 500A, the voltage drop in the wire is about 1.5%.
@caleb1951
@caleb1951 4 жыл бұрын
RCexplained oh ok so basically they run the smaller wires in parallel so they all together create a 2 gauge wire. Then they wrap them 4 times, and they can handle tons of power. Thank you so much for the help! I’m pretty new to this stuff
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 жыл бұрын
@@caleb1951 That's the idea. Glad I could help with the explanation.
@alchemy1
@alchemy1 4 жыл бұрын
Hello, Thank you so much for your video. I was wondering if there are two different types of drivers, one for wye and the other for delta? And also how can I tell if a particular motor is delta or wye as both have three wires coming out? Some may have 4, that would automatically perhaps mean wye ( not sure on that).
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 жыл бұрын
A speed control will drive both wind types on a brushless motor. You wouldn't be able to tell easily by looking at the motor. All brushless motors will have 3 wires exiting. In some cases manufactures list their specific wind in the motor. A 2Y or 2D would represent the number of winds and the winding termination. In this case 2 turns wye and 2 turns delta respectively.
@alchemy1
@alchemy1 4 жыл бұрын
@@RCexplained Can you run a set up that is a pair of magnet that is same pole facing out inside a stator that is 3 coils also same pole facing in with a bldc driver? Can such a motor fall under bldc motor? Because I was under the impression that bldc comes in pair magnet opposite poles mulitiple of two and coils opposite poles multiple of three. Or is it that the coils all have the same face and the driver determines which pole a particular coils gets? And the magnet is in opposite pair poles at all times of course....??
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Blue Ocean, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. There are a few different calculators and charts online that covers stator slots and magnetic pole counts.
@pierrejeanes
@pierrejeanes Жыл бұрын
How the esc know it is wye or delta ?
@RCexplained
@RCexplained Жыл бұрын
It doesn't need to
@pierrejeanes
@pierrejeanes Жыл бұрын
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@RCexplained
@RCexplained Жыл бұрын
it has no impact on the operation of the motor for the ESC to control it.
@republicofvegans712
@republicofvegans712 3 жыл бұрын
Formulas?
@pratikraut7552
@pratikraut7552 5 жыл бұрын
Hay bro thanks you so much for such a good video on motor windings I have few doubts about them If you can help me out it would be of great help to me
@pratikraut7552
@pratikraut7552 5 жыл бұрын
I want to know how to reduce kv of brushless motor ? Is the method for reducing kv for brushless innrunner motor and outrunners same ya different ? Also you said heat is main issue in motors How to solve heat issue in outrunners
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 5 жыл бұрын
@@pratikraut7552 are you planning on taking the motor apart to modify it's specifications? This can be very intimidating. To reduce the kv, the easiest method is to increasing winding count. If your motor has 12 turns increasing to 14 turns will decrease the kv. This works for in runners and outrunners. Good amount of air cooling will keep an outrunners cool. If it is still over heating reduce the load of the motor or increase the size of the motor.
@RCexplained
@RCexplained 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment!
@pratikraut7552
@pratikraut7552 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you much for replying and clearing my doubts Earlier motor had 11 thin copper wires wound around one stater pole 5 times and in delta pattern Now if i increase no of turns i would have to use less no of strands What to do in this case Can i use only one thick wire to do rewind instead of using many wires
@Munzer1977
@Munzer1977 3 жыл бұрын
Each winding has two wires. Connect them in delta and you end up with four connectors. This is why I always believed delta winding is a myth. Doesn't exist in real world
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