Well I figured since it was my first ballistic gel video, that I should show (for those who don't know) how you calibrate the block to make sure you made it right, and also to show (for those who both do and don't know) that I made it right, being that it was my first ever block. In future videos I won't show this process, but rather, just briefly show/include the calibration results for those who would want to know them for varification. The 10/22 is Rugers "Tiger" stock, and actually has a tiger face on one side of the buttstock. We did a quick review of this gun along with their red "wild hog" stock 10/22 a few month ago if you want to see more of it/them. As for the intro, the "hip hop" or "funk" style music is the only thing I didn't feel 100% confident about. I'm ok with it, but it may not be super fitting for gun content and might get a few lowbrow reactions, which is why I asked people what they thought about it. When I can find some decent royalty free rock music, it will be replaced with that, which I think will be more fitting. Also I plan to change the intro every few months with recent clips as I progress.

Cool, now try the Colibri sometime and you'll be amazed how much quieter they are. But as I said, they aren't very practical beyond 10-15 yards (the Colibri).

@@BuckeyeBallistics thanks man I'll have to give em a try

That may be true, but I have been using this chrono for some time now with many different calibers, even including bb guns and pellet guns, and it always picks up anything I shoot over it and has always been very accurate. Now that doesn't mean it isn't possible for it to fudge up, but given my recent experience with multiple dud rounds from CCI, I give the nod to my chrono for sure.

@@BuckeyeBallistics The more experience you have, the more failures you will have. From multiple sources, the data shows CCI performs better than the others. Aguila does not, given the results from several sources, perform up to the advertised velocity.

No, CCI has gone down hill in the past couple years as I hinted on with my first comment, and in this very video. I loved CCI for 20 years, and for 20 years would agree that they were the golden standard. That is, until I got 1, possibly 2 CCI squib loads earlier this year while reviewing the Taurus TX22. Then to make matters worse, they called me a liar when I told them. Well I did some research, and as a couple commenters pointed out as well, CCI was bought out by ATK/Vista Outdoors. So CCI is no longer the CCI you and I used to know, which explains why the quality has gone to crap. I have had many viewiers come forward in the past few months also, telling me how they were having issues with CCI ammo as well, and many stating that it never used to be like that with their product. So their brand has definately gone down the drain...

@@BuckeyeBallistics ATK will keep CCI more competitive than Aquila, even though I have been buying Aquila for years. CCI went down and that is what made it affordable to buy out; not the reverse. For a segmenting round to compare: www.luckygunner.com/22-lr-37-cphp-high-energy-winchester-varmint-he-50-rounds#geltest As I think I said, Aquila's velocities are not 1700fps as advertised. www.aguilaammo.com/ammunition/1b220298/ .22LR, 30gr CPRN, Aguila Supermaximum Hyper Velocity kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qJ6VnJWF29jJo4k.html www.luckygunner.com/labs/pocket-pistol-caliber-gel-test-results/#22LR So, Aquila does perform, but you should always fire three shots and CCI gets the mandatory penetration minimum reliably. 40 Grain CPHP - CCI Velocitor www.luckygunner.com/cci-22-lr-ammo-for-sale-22lr40cphpvelocitorccimm-50#geltest

@@BuckeyeBallistics I just saw the video where your CCI ammo blew up in your Taurus. Scary. Luckily it was just a LR.

Good idea

I know that sound... 😅

i used a quit segmented hp on a big raccoon i caught behind my chicken coop and it was gruesome, looked like a 1980s horror scene, blood everywhere

it was made by tom burczynski, first under the name "quik-shok". it was licensed to CCI, but tom's patent ran out so many are copying it. not sure why people haven't stepped up and made it for other calibers, most fragmenting rounds do not do nearly as well as the 3 segments smooshed together. tom is an absolute genius and it shows in his designs.

Wow that's cool, I'll have to try that.

No and yeah that commonly happens with smaller calibers. I can almost garuntee you the segmented bullets would do something though...

Appreciate it

I don't have a .22lr snubby anymore. But a while back I did a massive .22lr pistol gel test which featured one such firearm, and I did put the 2 fastest CCI segmented through it in that video I believe. Here is the video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bMyYh85ovJPJkWg.html

Thank you! And that's a good point- Several years ago I did a video displaying how hollow points don't open up much when fired out of a pistol due to the lower velocities, thus rendering them a round nose and ineffective. I actually used a mk1 in that video, which surprisingly did seem to get the hp's to open up some, albeit not as much as my rifle did. This was a water filled pop can test, but you could tell the hp's were opening up compared to the round nose's due to the more explosive hits. I concluded in that video though that the longer barrel of the mk1 I was using must have gave enough velocity to provide some expansion, as my p22 with a shorter barrel did not achieve these results in the past. With that being said, the velocity from the mk1 would drop to p22 levels by 20-25 yards I would imagine. As far as these segmented rounds splitting into 3 from a pistol, I'm confident that at least the subsonic round and up would, as they would still be traveling over 700fps out of a pistol. The quiets I'm not sure, as they would probably be in the 500fps range from a pistol. But they wouldn't cycle a semi-auto pistol anyway... Currently I'm without a .22 pistol, but when I have access to one again I will try to redo the test with a pistol and see what happens. I got a bunch of other .22 ammo to test as well, comming up soon.

@@BuckeyeBallistics well isn’t that something I have a mk1. I should have went with the mk2 with the last round hold open and and bolt release. But I was trained on a mk1 by my father and that pistol was stolen. So I had to replace it for sentinel reasons. I’ll probably end up getting the newest version of the Ruger mkIV. It seems that the mkIV is the best version yet it has all the features you want and none of the ones you don’t. In my opinion the mk3 was the worst version out of all of them. Mag disconnect loaded chamber flag all Lawer bannered up. Smh at least Ruger made it all correct with the IV

Yeah I recently, like literally last week, learned about all the flaws with the mk3. I really want a MK4 Hunter, with the long stainless fluted barrel and fiber optic sights. Dream pistol right there; one day I'll have one. I like the 22/45 MK also.

@@Johnny-jr2lq I prefer the mkii out of the 4 variants, 10rd, last round hold open, can slingshot it, no loaded chamber indicator or mag disconnect. I find the trigger is best out of the 4 models

I'll check em out

Thanks man, happy new year.

I did, until they called me a liar after 20 years of loyalty to their brand. I'm switching to Aguila.

@@BuckeyeBallistics you sound butthurt

I am

@@BuckeyeBallistics Who is they? Was this a secretary? Guy that works in receiving? The janitor? CCI has always treated the shooting public pretty stellar in my opinion.

@david - Customer service rep - watch the videos if you want to know more...

I wonder if wax slugs do that (shotshells with wax poured into the shot).

​good point @@BuckeyeBallistics the curving shapes definitely make the tri-petals even more slashing in their dispersion

* Was * Now that they are owned by ATK/Vistaoutdoors, quality has went downhill. Did you not see the dud round in the video? Also I failed to detect a (cci) squib load in my tx22 review video which altimately led to the guns demise, and then they called me a liar about having a squib until they saw the video...

@@BuckeyeBallistics Still the best, just sounds like you had one bad experience and now hold a grudge. Ammunition is still good with or without good customer service.

I literally just mentioned two bad experiences...

@@BuckeyeBallistics I've never had anything but good experiences with CCI and their services. Sucks that you didn't.

Yeah well like I said in the video, that was the case for me too for the past 20 years until this day. Then I learned that they are no longer the same company, as they were bough out, and then it all made sense. I still get comments weekly on these videos about people having similar experiences with cci. Keep shooting cci long enough and it'll happen to you too.

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Thanks for the feedback

I believe so, seeing as how even the lowest velocity one did. But sometime this year I plan to do gel tests with a .22 pistol and we will see which rounds work and which ones don't from a pistol.

@@BuckeyeBallistics that is a video i would like to see. did you end up getting everything figured out with your tx22?

No I've been having issues with getting ahold of them but someone informed me last night that I can fill out an online work request form, so that's what I'm going to do today.

@@BuckeyeBallistics nice hope it goes good mane

Thanks. I've posted a few more .22 gel tests since.

Yeah, I have been planning on doing the slices for years now, because as you said, nobody does it. So hopefully that'll be a plus to my channel. But anyway, run with it? Alright. Well, 12ft-lbs is more energy than a 10 pump pellet gun has, so I'm gonna go with it will absolutely shoot right through the baseball glove, because a 10 pump definately would. But I would also like to add, that the velocity should be even higer than what you calculated. The reason a rifle gets higher velocity than a pistol, as I'm sure you're aware, is because the longer barrel burns more of the gun powder before it blasts out the end of the barrel, resulting in more pressure/propulsion; a pistol barrel wastes a lot of this. Well with these quiet rounds, there is far less gunpowder in them. So there is less to burn before the bullet exits the barrel, meaning it doesn't need as long of a barrel to reach maximum velocity. Also, the quiet bullet is traveling slower, which gives more time for the powder to be burnt before it exits the barrel, just like a longer barrel does. So you have less powder *and* more time to burn it with the quiets, so you won't lose nearly as much velocity to a shorter barrel with these as you would with a standard round. The same is true for heavier rounds in an identical caliber comparison, because the heavier round is in the barrel ever so slightly longer due to the slightly lower velocity, therefore burning more of the powder before it exits. Because of this, heavier bullets lose less velocity when going from a long barrel to a short barrel than a lighter bullet does. Science!

@@BuckeyeBallistics Ah yes, I didn't account for that. Oh well, it was just an idea, but yeah, that makes perfect sense. Thanks for addressing my idea anyway.

This may be way off in left field, but a round that should bounce off of you is small birdshot like #8 or #9 at 100 yards or beyond. Or maybe Aguila Colibri or a 10 pump pellet gun at the same distance; the Colibri is only a 20gr bullet at 400-500fps. Even then I'm not 100% sure. Would make for an interesting video!

@@BuckeyeBallistics Yeah, maybe with the Colibri. That's about as weak as it gets with a .22. I seem to remember now, shooting a neighbor's Daisy pump (880, I think it was) at my baseball mitt and none of the BB's penetrated. Distance wasn't far. Maybe 20-30 feet and I don't think I pumped it up much. Too long ago to remember details. If you still wanna do that test, go for it. I think it would make for a cool video, too.

I'm sure the bb's would have bounced off, but a pellet would not have I don't think. I used to have an 880 and a Crosman 2100 and they would both shoot through quite a bit with the pellets, as the pellets carried a lot more energy and penetration due to the heavier weight. We shot the test batch I mentioned in this video with the same bb gun in the video, but with a pellet *and* bb, and the pellet traveled about an inch further into the gel than the bb. As for the bounce off video, I would do something to the effect of putting up a big sheet of plywood with styrofoam or something to that effect attatched and shoot at it. The wood is too hard and the styrofoam too soft though; got any better ideas?

You could, but some would argue that the less than 12" fbi standard minimum penetration deems it inadequate. However, I don't think anyone under 300lbs has their heart or lungs more than 3-4" underneath their chest...

@@BuckeyeBallistics well at least it wouldn't go through someone and hit the next person in line

Right, always a valid concern.

Yup. 8 of those from a Taurus 3 inch revolver would put anyone down.

@@BuckeyeBallistics I load a revolver with cci segmented and federal punch. best 22lr expansion, alternating with best 22lr penetration. Seems like the best of both worlds.

Hit more in my Camaro...

Weird. They make quiet "semi auto" now that will cycle in all guns.

@@BuckeyeBallistics yeah they are awesome and quiet. Just wish they were segmented. But just going from 710 to 835 fps and 5 extra grain puts the muzzle energy from around 45 up to around 75 so they are great for stealth hunting lol

Can fabricate your own hollow point or segments with them with a dremel...

@@BuckeyeBallistics your more brave than I am my friend lol

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He was shooting cci bbs

Eh, I changed it.

This was the first time I think I tried making the gel. I don't even use the spray anymore and my gel is super clear now too.

@@BuckeyeBallistics awesome. 🍻 here’s to awesome gel!!!!