All student debt in the US, visualized

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4 жыл бұрын

What if all of this debt was canceled? This is what that would look like.
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Student loan debt has increased exponentially in the past few decades. So now, some Democratic presidential candidates propose canceling those debts - all $1.6 trillion of it. But is this a good idea? Who exactly does it benefit?
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@Vox
@Vox 4 жыл бұрын
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@jay_mem
@jay_mem 4 жыл бұрын
fancy
@jay_mem
@jay_mem 4 жыл бұрын
no but actually, give yourselves a pat on the back for this vid and many others, the graphics are smooth and amazing
@lugas4270
@lugas4270 4 жыл бұрын
I want to watch, but I can't join as a member, proly because I'm not in US
@EglomHistory
@EglomHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of getting ride of the debt for the people who will make the money back, we should lower the cost of education. The professors can get lower pay in certain departments, cut the budget for the massive gyms and entertainment complex’s. That will lower the cost for everyone who goes to college. We also should stop people going to school for acting and musics degrees because they really don’t help you in the field. Finally make it so only the best scoring students go to the most expensive schools, if you have an SAT of 1240 and below don’t go to Harvard or a place like that, go to a non Ivy League. People in the costly fields can also do this, City College of New York School of Medicine isn’t as fancy as Columbia or Harvard, but you will still get all the necessary education and can be just as successful.
@gulaagjamun
@gulaagjamun 4 жыл бұрын
College in US has become a business, not a service
@idzkk
@idzkk 4 жыл бұрын
College is all about infrastructure + salaries to staff. Which is fair upto some extent
@rofidganteng1
@rofidganteng1 4 жыл бұрын
Thats why Andrew Yang 1K dollar UBI is more make sense. because college is not for everybody. we can find success outside the universities. young people need to do more in vocational skill and starting small business in their community
@sentinel151
@sentinel151 4 жыл бұрын
Become, it’s been a business from the get go.
@Aweeky
@Aweeky 4 жыл бұрын
Also in UK, Australia
@VinhNguyen-wk5qz
@VinhNguyen-wk5qz 4 жыл бұрын
@@rofidganteng1 not everyone wants to start a business, what should i do if i want to cure cancer?
@10Fountainhead
@10Fountainhead 4 жыл бұрын
Vox - Can you please give a hug to your graphics department?
@rupaksavan8452
@rupaksavan8452 4 жыл бұрын
graphics guy really working hard to clear his student loans
@rupaksavan8452
@rupaksavan8452 4 жыл бұрын
graphics guy really working hard to clear his student loans
@kfoster3616
@kfoster3616 4 жыл бұрын
Why not a raise?
@KengCheong
@KengCheong 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, those graphics are clean!!
@camerontaylor7471
@camerontaylor7471 4 жыл бұрын
It’s inspired by the sands of the desert and the Egyptian pyramids of Giza...
@samy_bouzaglo
@samy_bouzaglo 4 жыл бұрын
Son: Dad why do I need to apply for student loan? Dad: So you can go to college Son: Why do I need to go to college? Dad: So you can get a good job Son: Why do I need to get a good job? Dad: So you can pay off your student loan
@axrpad1228
@axrpad1228 4 жыл бұрын
How’s Israel Samy?
@kfoster3616
@kfoster3616 4 жыл бұрын
@@bruhmomentus3770 AMEN to that - I hear ya. Also, people can work their way through school. I worked full time at the telephone company and graduated in 4.5 years with no debt...and was able to save a few thousand for a good start.
@HappyGick
@HappyGick 4 жыл бұрын
@@kfoster3616 That shouldn't be okay in the first place, you need to focus most if not all of your energies in the education instead of the job, the purpose of studying something is so you can help society in something that you like, and you can be very mediocre at it if you don't learn what you have to learn. Maybe that's not your case, but not everyone is like you. It's never implied that student debt can't be paid, of course it can be paid, that's not the issue. The issue is that you should be focusing on the college instead of a job that barely helps you pay your debt. You're pretty much wasting time and money if you can't reflect or learn properly about your desired career. Why are you studying if you're not learning anything? The keyword in your statement is that you had to work _full time_ to pay the debt, and that should not be the case anywhere, your main focus should be your education because that's why you're in college.
@kfoster3616
@kfoster3616 4 жыл бұрын
@@HappyGick You have it all wrong. Everyone works and pays their money towards something. I decided to live at home and work full time and carry full loads to graduate in 4.5 years while being on the Dean's List. Everyone needs to be responsible for what they do in life as well as the debt they DECIDE to contract. People should not expect others to pay for what they want. It's kinda hard to be on the Dean's list each semester if you are not focused on your education. So I was obviously able to focus on my studies...My position at the phone company did not hinder that at all. So you know nothing about me and you are commenting on my need to focus on what I studied...LOL. People need to pay for the debt they contract. If you cannot understand that simple concept....I can''t help you.
@josephengelbrekt483
@josephengelbrekt483 3 жыл бұрын
@@kfoster3616 Yes, but that's not the problem. That's great, you were able to sacrifice and pay off debt while in school, but there a large percentage of people who could work full-time and still not be able to pay for their education. The problem is systemic and largely has to do with several keys reasons. 1.) The cost to attend college has nearly tripled in 30 years. 2.) Cost of Living has skyrocketed, while wages have remained during stagnant over the same period. 3.) This generation has now been hit with not one, but two "one in a lifetime" economic recessions creating an awful job market. Yes, what you laid out is an option for people, but what Millennials are arguing is that for previous generations, college was much more accessible and much more affordable. Now we're told to just "work harder" to make up for the broken system Boomers and the Silent Generation created. I'm happy you were not able to have debt, but the "sacrifice more" argument doesn't apply to everyone.
@ryant3541
@ryant3541 4 жыл бұрын
Or, you can go to the root of the problem. College tuition prices growing exceptionally faster than inflation rates for seemingly no reason. This is the source of young adults being blocked out of colleges, not loans to work around the instance price.
@lilahb.8698
@lilahb.8698 4 жыл бұрын
This^^^ colleges continually raise their prices above what's needed. It's been proven. Provide some good regulation somehow, and there will be less debt all around.
@BTrain-is8ch
@BTrain-is8ch 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know who told all these people that inflation dictates how pricing should change over time and I hate to break it to you but it doesn't. What people are willing to pay dictates pricing. If people's willingness to pay increases, say faster than inflation, then pricing will too. Demand for post-secondary education has skyrocketed. Believing that pricing should just follow an inflationary curve despite that skyrocketing demand is to ignore basic economics. Bottom line. Education has skyrocketed in price because people are willing to pay. People are willing to pay because financing is readily available and, if we're honest, it's available at below market rates. If you want to go to the root maybe you should look at the readily available cheap financing.
@johanocampo5422
@johanocampo5422 4 жыл бұрын
What people dont mention is that financial aid and scholarships have also risen. College is affordable is you go about it the right way.
@yugiohpokemon5285
@yugiohpokemon5285 4 жыл бұрын
@@BTrain-is8ch so you agree with supply side economics? Inflation happens no matter what and add it to the balance of supply and demand
@BTrain-is8ch
@BTrain-is8ch 4 жыл бұрын
@@yugiohpokemon5285 I'm not sure how you got to that conclusion from that statement. Public demand is the driver that has caused pricing to climb out of control. The number of people pursuing post-secondary education each year has exploded. There are more people in private post-secondary schools today than there were in all schools in the 60s. Public demand has been enabled to behave this way because federal loan dollars are just sitting there for the taking. That's plain old Keynesian theory. Government policy/spending bolstered demand and pricing responded accordingly. If people have a problem with pricing the solution is removing the source of the dollars that boosted demand. The scenario where inflation should be the only expected change is where everything else remains constant. That's obviously not the case with post-secondary education.
@novalink90
@novalink90 4 жыл бұрын
I'm from Europe, always had free education, no one here understands why you pay millions of $$ to study. It's simply ridiculous.
@pretendcampus5410
@pretendcampus5410 4 жыл бұрын
Sweden here, everybody takes a loan unless rich. Typically around 25-35k dollars after 5 years. We don't have housing included and most places don't either.
@lorenzzoklein9178
@lorenzzoklein9178 4 жыл бұрын
pretendcampus I thought Sweden had free education.
@emiledin2183
@emiledin2183 4 жыл бұрын
@@lorenzzoklein9178 yes but housing and food costs money. And books...
@1235Loveit
@1235Loveit 4 жыл бұрын
Education is free, housing is not. In Sweden you do get a stipend, but it's tiny
@lorenzzoklein9178
@lorenzzoklein9178 4 жыл бұрын
Patrick Ratzow In France poor people have funds to pay for their expenses.
@rangerjenny1278
@rangerjenny1278 4 жыл бұрын
You should have shown that most of us actually have negative net worth... Very negative... Even if we have a good salary, it ends up being just enough to pay debt and live
@huornaldarion781
@huornaldarion781 4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention rent and healthcare on top of it
@Erik_The_Viking
@Erik_The_Viking 4 жыл бұрын
I have a lot of friends from grad school with good jobs and negative 6-figure net worth. Sad to see people in that situation after they've worked so hard.
@user-lp2he1md6i
@user-lp2he1md6i 4 жыл бұрын
And those who didn’t have the opportunity to go to college don’t even have the good salary to just live. Student debt needs to be canceled and higher education needs to be free.
@thomassmith3397
@thomassmith3397 4 жыл бұрын
Get a degree worth something. I don't know ONE person who earned a degree in a real field and have problems with money. And, many had student debt
@thomassmith3397
@thomassmith3397 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-lp2he1md6iMost people in university don't belong! It has become high school 2 due to cheap government money.
@antimatter_nvf
@antimatter_nvf 4 жыл бұрын
*_laughs in European_*
@CatholicWeeb
@CatholicWeeb 4 жыл бұрын
@@shekler2758 Yes, And It Tastes Great!
@juusotaskinen452
@juusotaskinen452 4 жыл бұрын
I mean I'll still have to pay for flight school which is like 80 000€ in Finland lol
@live425
@live425 4 жыл бұрын
@@juusotaskinen452 It was your choice, I presume. There are tons of free universities in Finland. Americans don't have this choice, unfortunately.
@juusotaskinen452
@juusotaskinen452 4 жыл бұрын
@@live425 Can't argue with that
@Spectrum16
@Spectrum16 4 жыл бұрын
*Cries in Britian*
@mr_0n10n5
@mr_0n10n5 4 жыл бұрын
This country's intellectual talent is still wasted.
@SATANS_SPHYNX
@SATANS_SPHYNX 4 жыл бұрын
It has no talent.
@robertcoffman6082
@robertcoffman6082 4 жыл бұрын
One problem is that people think credentials equal intellectual talent. The ironic part is that when intellectual talent is wasted it’s usually done by people who have credentials but not intellectual talent.
@monetum1392
@monetum1392 4 жыл бұрын
@Jesus Loves you Sure...
@24sirosay28
@24sirosay28 4 жыл бұрын
you calling yourself smart usually means that your not smart.
@megadiabrous
@megadiabrous 3 жыл бұрын
no intellect, no talent.
@nickbarone6206
@nickbarone6206 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny how money is only ever really an issue when it comes to helping average americans
@dnicole4236
@dnicole4236 4 жыл бұрын
☕️
@oterenceo
@oterenceo 4 жыл бұрын
Money is also an issue when it comes to helping the big corporations, the rich and wealthy. What's your point?
@deboogs
@deboogs 4 жыл бұрын
@@oterenceo The point is poor people don't vote, so politicians don't pander to them. It's always "the middle class is the backbone of America" because voters want to hear that everyone richer than them is corrupt, and everyone poorer then them is lazy.
@harrisonwintergreen1147
@harrisonwintergreen1147 4 жыл бұрын
Every year the US govt transfers multi billions from the top 20% of earners to the bottom 50%.
@nickbarone6206
@nickbarone6206 4 жыл бұрын
@@harrisonwintergreen1147 lol @ earners that's funny . You mean exploiters who have bought the gov
@pen_l
@pen_l 4 жыл бұрын
*Nice, next time do healthcare in the US*
@trungnguyenhoang6821
@trungnguyenhoang6821 4 жыл бұрын
a bunch of vox's healthcare videos already
@pen_l
@pen_l 4 жыл бұрын
*missed the joke*
@expiredmeme7600
@expiredmeme7600 4 жыл бұрын
Pen L what’s US healthcare?
@rofidganteng1
@rofidganteng1 4 жыл бұрын
Thats why Andrew Yang 1K dollar UBI is more make sense. because college is not for everybody. we can find success outside the universities. young people need to do more in vocational skill and starting small business in their community
@onett12312
@onett12312 4 жыл бұрын
Ivan Ivanovich Ivanovosky what is the population of Canadians in Canada?
@oldindianchief9403
@oldindianchief9403 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to me how information colleges teach is more widely available now than ever, and yet the costs of education are getting worse and worse. I've learned more watching youtube videos than talking to my professors who really would rather go home than explain how integrals work.
@fdd4957
@fdd4957 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Half of being a college student is looking up tutorials online.
@officerbeenadd
@officerbeenadd 4 жыл бұрын
American students: uhh i have all this debt from university Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland: allow us to introduce ourselves
@anthavio
@anthavio 4 жыл бұрын
@@lightningcat6382 The US had a top rate that exceeded 90 percent through the 1950s and early 60s and a 70 percent top tax rate from 1971 through 1980. Then President Reagan got Congress to cut it to 50 percent starting in 1982.
@souvikrc4499
@souvikrc4499 4 жыл бұрын
Lightning Cat what
@Mark-sn6kh
@Mark-sn6kh 4 жыл бұрын
Gee, I wonder how it's all paid for... Oh, that's right, you still pay for it just in another way.
@btd6pro693
@btd6pro693 4 жыл бұрын
Actually Vox made a video on how taxes actually work in America
@harrisonwintergreen1147
@harrisonwintergreen1147 4 жыл бұрын
Norway - allow us to introduce our 25% VAT Sweden - allow us to introduce our private schools funded with tax vouchers. Denmark - allow us to introduce our 100% tax on cars ...nothing from government is free. Nothing. It all comes from taxpayers, directly or indirectly.
@caramelcoffees
@caramelcoffees 4 жыл бұрын
visualizing my student debt is a useless endeavour because my peasant tears make everything blurry
@lu-dx6oh
@lu-dx6oh 4 жыл бұрын
nice line did you learn that with your English or Art History degree or both
@nelsonth
@nelsonth 4 жыл бұрын
@@lu-dx6ohare you implying STEM students can't be witty?
@thomassmith3397
@thomassmith3397 4 жыл бұрын
@@nelsonth Real degrees don't need any tears
@richardscathouse
@richardscathouse 4 жыл бұрын
Good
@caramelcoffees
@caramelcoffees 4 жыл бұрын
@@nelsonth i think the implication is that stem students get jobs lol
@kelbyrock7041
@kelbyrock7041 4 жыл бұрын
*7 trillion on Middle East wars* Media: *crickets* *10 trillion + bailing out Wall Street* Media: ... Bernie proposes canceling student debt Media: WOAH THERE PAL
@al-Mamluk-1250
@al-Mamluk-1250 4 жыл бұрын
exactly
@Jay_Em10
@Jay_Em10 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much.
@richardscathouse
@richardscathouse 4 жыл бұрын
One and a half trillion for Israel's wars! More crickets
@thatsgame56
@thatsgame56 4 жыл бұрын
We have to make Bernie as president of the United States!!!
@raresmircea
@raresmircea 4 жыл бұрын
Kelby Precisely! :)
@V972
@V972 4 жыл бұрын
"Sputnik satelite" Satelite satelite
@Halo-lg7rq
@Halo-lg7rq 4 жыл бұрын
Chai Tea Tea tea *Laughs in Swahili*
@DanksterPaws
@DanksterPaws 4 жыл бұрын
Laughs in Sahara Desert and Lake Chad
@j.elly_cat
@j.elly_cat 3 жыл бұрын
"Soviet Union" Union Union
@antimatter_nvf
@antimatter_nvf 3 жыл бұрын
@@j.elly_cat "Soviet" would rather mean "council" than "union". I guess the terms are somewhat similar, but not to the same extent as "Sputnik satellite"
@knightlypoleaxe2501
@knightlypoleaxe2501 3 жыл бұрын
@@DanksterPaws Gobi Desert as well. If aliens had universal translators, there will be a lot of "And here's the river river, that feeds into the lake lake, originating from mountain mountain, and surrounded by desert desert and the forest forest.
@owlright
@owlright 4 жыл бұрын
That's what you got when companies run a country.
@JanSanono
@JanSanono 4 жыл бұрын
R D capitalism_irl
@jensenraylight8011
@jensenraylight8011 4 жыл бұрын
so, you think those professor, staff, and janitor who work at the university should work for free? also, do you think the university has to stop using electricity, stop creating new learning material, stop do maintenance on their building & stop using the computer? is this what you think it should be? everybody should work for free for your sake alone? how about you work 12 hours a day for free for 60 years first
@Fume1337
@Fume1337 4 жыл бұрын
Rohypnol W
@ts-wo6pp
@ts-wo6pp 4 жыл бұрын
@@jensenraylight8011 I cant tell if you're 7 or 71
@paulacruz1000
@paulacruz1000 4 жыл бұрын
​@@jensenraylight8011 Man, I am Brazilian. And here we have public universities for free, actually, they are way better than the private ones. Nobody works for free and of course, they use electricity. I just can't say that it's accessible for everyone because our "SAT" is really difficult. Everything was okay before this new government, that is destroying the education right now. I don't know how long we still gonna have free education.
@latikasuryavanshi8449
@latikasuryavanshi8449 4 жыл бұрын
I love how this video has graphs that make it easier to process the data and understand the nuances of student debt better.
@michielbeelaerts5355
@michielbeelaerts5355 4 жыл бұрын
and not just any graph, they're frickin' beautiful. I'm starting to learn about data visualisation myself and I hope to be able to make something like that some day
@BenFreedmanRacing
@BenFreedmanRacing 4 жыл бұрын
I’m hoping you don’t have any student debt. Based on your sentence structure it might be a while before you get a high paying job.
@michielbeelaerts5355
@michielbeelaerts5355 4 жыл бұрын
@@BenFreedmanRacing who are you replying to?
@sachlangjamatia7141
@sachlangjamatia7141 4 жыл бұрын
Still there are many data that vox missed/doesn't show(don't want to show)
@nofood1
@nofood1 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, it's on the title "All student debt in the US, visualized" .......
@JsoProductionChannel
@JsoProductionChannel 4 жыл бұрын
In scandinavia we get payed for taking an education.
@harrisonwintergreen1147
@harrisonwintergreen1147 4 жыл бұрын
In scandanavia you also pay higher taxes than in the US... nothing is free from government. They take your money, give it back to you, and you thinks it's 'free'
@Ryan-pg1tw
@Ryan-pg1tw 4 жыл бұрын
@@harrisonwintergreen1147 Maybe you should express your opinion more respectful
@correctionguy7632
@correctionguy7632 4 жыл бұрын
scandinavia? get payed? I think you should learn where your border goes dane.
@nixnormal
@nixnormal 4 жыл бұрын
Correction Guy What country are you referring to? because a quick search tells me that state educational support is available in all three countries of Scandinavia.
@Daxter609
@Daxter609 4 жыл бұрын
@Tanishk Tomar Scandinavians pay for little to no military because the U.S. covers them with their military. Let see if you can still pay less in taxes when you actually have to fund your own military and not rely on others.
@jonah4196
@jonah4196 4 жыл бұрын
Okay, but imagine how much the economy would benefit from literally MILLIONS of well educated Americans suddenly having more financial freedom, and thus, being much more able to contribute to the economy
@ohozo7292
@ohozo7292 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, let’s have the uneducated majority who on average make less, subsidize the educated minority whom already make more
@kqatsi
@kqatsi 2 жыл бұрын
@@ohozo7292 What makes you think the "uneducated majority who on average make less" would be "subsidizing" student loan cancellation in any meaningful sense?
@ohozo7292
@ohozo7292 2 жыл бұрын
@@kqatsi it is money from their pocket to fund an education system they did not participate in. An education system that is overpriced and will continue to be as long as the government offers money to these universities through the students. Those who receive this money are those who also received the education to earn more. Money coming from those who gained nothing and make less. It’s not all that complicated. Maybe subsidize wasn’t the right word
@diabeticvodka9312
@diabeticvodka9312 2 жыл бұрын
Forgiving the student loans simply is a half-assed bandage to this glaring issue of government subsidies. The government subsidizes education of universities which makes the universities bolder in demanding higher tuition fees.
@trampoleen8750
@trampoleen8750 4 жыл бұрын
This video killed youtubes video compression system. Tip: It hates particles
@raifikarj6698
@raifikarj6698 4 жыл бұрын
From Tom Scott ?
@trampoleen8750
@trampoleen8750 4 жыл бұрын
@@raifikarj6698 *intensely nods head*
@RubenKelevra
@RubenKelevra 4 жыл бұрын
The issue is too low variable bitrate :/
@josephjackson1956
@josephjackson1956 4 жыл бұрын
*_MORE CONFETTI_*
@bubblewrap324
@bubblewrap324 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how this was animated. Must be some hard work.
@surfie007
@surfie007 4 жыл бұрын
In Australia the government regulates maximum university prices (as only a couple universities are private but also sets their max prices), gives interest-free loans up to a $100k cap, and gives welfare payments to students depending on their own and parents income
@jasonbb5717
@jasonbb5717 4 жыл бұрын
And you don't start paying that loan back until you reach $45,000 of income per year. Also, you only have to pay 1% of your weekly income once this threshold is reached. It gets higher depending on your income but cut's off at %10.
@Marco-wz3ff
@Marco-wz3ff 4 жыл бұрын
Cool, here in Austria you dont pay anything.
@mauz791
@mauz791 4 жыл бұрын
What exactly is the GAMSAT? I couldn't find much about it online. Like is it hard? Does it regulate the people applying for college?
@nehcooahnait7827
@nehcooahnait7827 4 жыл бұрын
Still need to take loans??? That still sounds horrible... 🤦🏻‍♀️
@TomBryan
@TomBryan 4 жыл бұрын
@@nehcooahnait7827 Yeah, why should someone have to pay for something they have to receive? (eye roll)
@aidanmoretz2722
@aidanmoretz2722 4 жыл бұрын
I think it would be far smarter to just make colleges/university’s have to lower their tuition cost as apposed to just giving students the money required to go to college/university. You not only waste less money but also reduce the risk of students wasting money by flunking out of school/quitting.
@DR.64A9
@DR.64A9 4 жыл бұрын
That would just lead to less staff and worst facilities. Unfortunately education is expensive. The real issue? Housing, if you go to a state school and live there, you will pay half of your fees towards housing.
@nurlianasyifa8608
@nurlianasyifa8608 4 жыл бұрын
This also applied in my country, govt cover half, or 1/4, or 2/3, of the tuition fee, and the rest of the tuition fee will be paid by the students. Students will get the amount of the tuition that they have to pay depend on their ability (parents ability - they need to fill out some forms asking the wage of their parents, for consideration). so we all pay in different amount.
@richardroberson9277
@richardroberson9277 4 жыл бұрын
and then there would be less spots and youd lose them to other competing countries....
@jimmysparks315
@jimmysparks315 4 жыл бұрын
Nationalize collages... so they become service orientated not profit driven
@flux_inverter4500
@flux_inverter4500 4 жыл бұрын
It is a complicated issue. Forcing a tuition cap would not result in less education. One could argue the universities are doing that on their own. Where I live in Ohio, our local state college charges $54,000 in tuition for a Master's degree where 3 non-profit non-state affiliated local credited universities charge about $16,000-$18,000 for tuition for the same degree. It is a combination of the state sponsored college acting like a for-profit business and poor money management.
@buggydclown7724
@buggydclown7724 4 жыл бұрын
for decades: education stays cheap goverment : no, we wanna help you by making it more expensive so you are addicted to us
@MatthewHodges
@MatthewHodges 4 жыл бұрын
Bernie: *snaps fingers* Student Debt: I don’t feel so good...
@jackyzhu9761
@jackyzhu9761 4 жыл бұрын
Sallie Mae: [Dies of not making people pay debt from their loans]
@bison5716
@bison5716 4 жыл бұрын
Our country is in to much debt to just pay for college we need to fix our debt first
@darealpapajon
@darealpapajon 4 жыл бұрын
Taxpayers going to get hammered with that
@twosaibackbot
@twosaibackbot 4 жыл бұрын
A Google User Nope, not the average taxpayer. Wall street is. He is cancelling the debt by putting a >0,5% tax on Wall Street stock trading that will generate the amount needed
@whodis715
@whodis715 4 жыл бұрын
You’re into socialism Ok give me your money Its “ours”
@EvanPoliquin
@EvanPoliquin 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like these videos also never take into account Parent Plus Loans, which usually end up being 3-4x more than the loans taken out by the student, it's just not under their name. However, most underprivileged students also have to pay for this once they get out of college, as there's no way for their parents to procure hundreds of thousands of dollars for their kids student loans. It's truly like taking out a mortgage.
@dparks9999
@dparks9999 4 жыл бұрын
Evan Poliquin this is exactly true. my parents can't and won't take that loan out for me and so i have to take out that large of a loan privately since the gov will also not help me be financially independent. it's horrifying
@blackmesa232323
@blackmesa232323 4 жыл бұрын
College doesn't cost hundreds of thousands though. Most in-state public schools have a tuition of under $10,000 a year. If you are taking out over $100,000 for an undergrad education you are either going out of state or to a private school.
@EvanPoliquin
@EvanPoliquin 4 жыл бұрын
blackmesa232323 State schools are great if you're from a place with good state schools like California, New York, Massachusetts, etc. But also what happens when you want to get a degree that your state college doesn't offer? I'd hate to have to take out a 40k loan for something I don't want to do/doesn't pay the bills.
@EvanPoliquin
@EvanPoliquin 4 жыл бұрын
This is also only exacerbated by a job market that's incredibly hard to get into, even with an education.
@blackmesa232323
@blackmesa232323 4 жыл бұрын
@@EvanPoliquin Unless you're going into an incredibly niche field, all state schools have options.
@BurritoKingdom
@BurritoKingdom 4 жыл бұрын
Before the 1960s most state colleges free. Heck until the 1980s most community colleges were free.
@williamfrancis5367
@williamfrancis5367 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. They were just cheap.
@harrisonwintergreen1147
@harrisonwintergreen1147 4 жыл бұрын
Before the 1960s there were no student loans and college was reserved for the academically inclined and professional degrees and everyone else was steered into trades or other training -- like most of Europe still does
@Pcarnevaaa
@Pcarnevaaa 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. They force people in college nowadays because it looks good for the high school to say “90% of the graduating class went to college.” I would venture to say 80% of a graduating high school class each year will not need college. We should make companies invest in their workers by training them for their jobs. But companies don’t value company loyalty, having high turnover. So that’s why we are where we are today I suppose.
@w_al3644
@w_al3644 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrisonwintergreen1147 wrong. Sweden has a higher percent of students going to college than us. We rank fairly lowly in college enrollment
@alexboccaccio5431
@alexboccaccio5431 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamfrancis5367 They still are lol
@ForeverFahari
@ForeverFahari 4 жыл бұрын
It amazes me when I hear people say “No one told them to go to college, they knew what they were getting into” or “It’s their fault for getting a liberal arts degree”...there are so many people who graduated college in fields that at the time we assumed would be in high demand in four years(medical, business, etc.) but when they graduate there’s not many well paying jobs available for thousands of recent college graduates with the same degree, that’s the problem. Also, for those saying we knew what we were getting ourselves into have you never taken into account that maybe we didn’t REALLY know what we were getting ourselves into at 18 years of age? Since grade school it’s always been about getting good grades so that you can get into a good college and therefore get a job. Most people at 18 really dont think when it comes to college we just know it’s something we’ve been told our whole lives we have to do to be successful. Stop acting like you’ve never made mistakes when you were young that years down the line when you’re more mature you’ve looked back and wished you had done things differently. With the high tuition and even higher interest rates, no one chose to be in this kind of position. For those of you who had the resources and maturity to make the best decisions for yourself at 18 kudos to you but instead of getting in the comments and making it seem as if people wouldn’t pay back their debts if they truly could afford to do so, why don’t you become a mentor to seniors in high school to educate them, you could help change someone’s life instead of tearing others down for being young, naive, and trusting of their government.
@tthoma12
@tthoma12 3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@Socalfishingkids
@Socalfishingkids 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you were naive, why should we pay for your mistake. I told people back in high school college is a scam unless your going into the medical/science feild. Did they listen. No
@taipizzalord4463
@taipizzalord4463 4 жыл бұрын
I'm 19 about to be kicked out of my Parents house because I refused to go to university and put myself in debt. Working in McDonald's full time while paying about £2800 doing a course on software development in the evening and weekends which gives me 6 qualifications in technical skills that people actually care about. Instead of a piece of paper. Funny thing is that the most to the people who do my course have degrees computer science etc which just shows how useless it is and how it's a waste of time and money but my parents refuse to listen. Oh well. Wish me luck.
@watmosphere
@watmosphere 4 жыл бұрын
good luck!
@ainaazain1351
@ainaazain1351 4 жыл бұрын
genius
@lian6818
@lian6818 4 жыл бұрын
Or just come to Europe to study. I do not understand why Americans won't do that. EU universities are either free or cost significantly less. Living costs are the same maybe even cheaper.
@DonNachi
@DonNachi 4 жыл бұрын
@@lian6818 he used £ so I assume he's already in Europe?
@CarFreeSegnitz
@CarFreeSegnitz 4 жыл бұрын
Livia Antal If European universities are like Canadian universities then foreign students pay a much higher tuition. Canadian universities do recruit foreign students to pay $15,000-$20,000 per year while Canadian students pay around $2,000-2,500 per year.
@PTNLemay
@PTNLemay 4 жыл бұрын
"Oh you're graduating soon. Have you considered starting a business?" "Yes... I've also considered acquiring a dragon pokemon. And those two seem like equally feasible endeavors."
@TorreFernand
@TorreFernand 4 жыл бұрын
wait, you mean you expect to be unable to feed your dragon in two years?
@sh0werp0wer
@sh0werp0wer 4 жыл бұрын
"Gee, thanks, great idea! What business though, and with what money?"
@davidforde2375
@davidforde2375 4 жыл бұрын
Lazy.
@immortaldragon7980
@immortaldragon7980 4 жыл бұрын
You could feed your dragon some toast avocado,
@mmanuel6874
@mmanuel6874 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@muhkdoomali
@muhkdoomali 4 жыл бұрын
Kudos to the person making these visualizations! Really, job well done man.
@jaridkeen123
@jaridkeen123 4 жыл бұрын
Student Debt needs a bail out or atleast a higher tax break and regulations on loans that reduce interest.
@dantheman3850
@dantheman3850 4 жыл бұрын
Bro, when are you uploading more tutorials?
@jaridkeen123
@jaridkeen123 4 жыл бұрын
@@dantheman3850 I am a Computer Scientist now. I just dont have time. I have been thinking of showing off my Games and Robots i design.
@dantheman3850
@dantheman3850 4 жыл бұрын
Jarid Gaming do that! I’d love to see it.
@kilroy2517
@kilroy2517 3 жыл бұрын
No it doesn't. Pay your friggin bills. I put myself through college and took a lot of loans to do it. They're all now paid off. Why should you not have to pay off what you borrowed, at my expense? Why should I pay my loans and have to pay yours as well?
@jcb5782
@jcb5782 4 жыл бұрын
*All student debt visualized* “The Soviet Union launched Sputnik” Nah but really, in the Netherlands I only have to pay a €2000 a year, something I can easily earn with a part time job.
@Juventinos
@Juventinos 4 жыл бұрын
and you can't earn 7000$ in america easily, if you work? it's a ridiculous problem.
@donsk904
@donsk904 4 жыл бұрын
@@Juventinos the minimum wage in america is a shocking $7... thats pretty freaking hard to pay imo
@TrixieTheGreat
@TrixieTheGreat 4 жыл бұрын
Ha. When I was studying in my university (Russia) it paid me instead. Seriously, we where only expected to buy lab coats ourselves. Books where rented in a library for free and they only expected good grades and attendance from students. I almost regret bailing out of there.
@Juventinos
@Juventinos 4 жыл бұрын
@@donsk904 that's about 5 times more then in my country. so cry me a river.
@donsk904
@donsk904 4 жыл бұрын
@@Juventinos lol but the purchasing power of the US dollar is lower in the US than it is in 'your' country though? So it doesn't really matter much- its still poverty
@salokin3087
@salokin3087 4 жыл бұрын
Curbing the financialisation of college is a major nessecary first step.
@declup
@declup 4 жыл бұрын
Salokin, what do you mean by curbing financialisation? And how would it help?
@richardscathouse
@richardscathouse 4 жыл бұрын
Somebody's gotta pay for all the safe spaces and free mental health services! Puppies ain't free!
@richardscathouse
@richardscathouse 4 жыл бұрын
@Scooters Videos For indoctrination? I thought you were just going to heard us all into FEMA CAMPS??
@johnanna6047
@johnanna6047 4 жыл бұрын
@Scooters Videos Sure as if art history majors are very intellectual people.
@tobiaskrebs9362
@tobiaskrebs9362 4 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best visualisation of statistics i have ever seen. Thank you Vox and especially your graphics department! :D
@subodh.r4835
@subodh.r4835 3 жыл бұрын
1:29 You just broke the youtube compression algorithm lol
@carsonhawley8838
@carsonhawley8838 4 жыл бұрын
The real solution: colleges actually charge reasonable prices. There. You're welcome.
@abec8211
@abec8211 4 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Jackson thanks to those "intelectual individuals" the price for me to get a computer science degree has gone up due to supply and demand.
@Teampegleg
@Teampegleg 4 жыл бұрын
It would require the colleges to go on a huge diet. You wouldn't recognize most universities if they had to slim down to the costs of a European University. In fact the subsidy that most states provide to universities per student would actually cover overseas tuition (which is typically the full unsubsidized price) at many European University.
@user-tg6ug6nc2o
@user-tg6ug6nc2o 4 жыл бұрын
But if colleges cut back on spending, who will build the Pansexual Inclusionary Arts Centers?
@redpanda7967
@redpanda7967 4 жыл бұрын
Team Peg Leg the reality is most spending goes to facilities to attract more students and make more more money.
@zoisantonopoulos7999
@zoisantonopoulos7999 3 жыл бұрын
I would agree but who would define what reasonable prices? If you asked the students and the colleges you would get different answers..
@qwarzatarz7440
@qwarzatarz7440 4 жыл бұрын
Title about student debt Starts with USSR
@tajayfoot1
@tajayfoot1 4 жыл бұрын
Qwarz Atarz gotta look at historical context and where it all started
@clydeceniza2521
@clydeceniza2521 4 жыл бұрын
USSR produced a lot of amazing engineers and scientists who studied for free.
@gulaagjamun
@gulaagjamun 4 жыл бұрын
Good to include a mention of the USSR since there’ll be trolls here saying ‘America is not socialist’
@MrRishik123
@MrRishik123 4 жыл бұрын
@@clydeceniza2521 not to mention the USA ended up hiring many of these engineers :P
@clydeceniza2521
@clydeceniza2521 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrRishik123 The point is, whether the student was successful or not of the field of his choice that he studied for "FREE". Then he could have the choice to work abroad or domestically.
@theemptylegend0
@theemptylegend0 4 жыл бұрын
America: WE NEED MORE DOCTORS! Med school: I need 300k for...Coffee.....yeah....
@tomaszzalewski4541
@tomaszzalewski4541 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing better then wild capitalism
@MinecraftIndiana
@MinecraftIndiana 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the statement that cancelling the debt would have no impact on those other people is false, as now the people with debt would have more money to spend monthly. I'm sure that would positively impact at least a portion of those who didn't go to college.
@atticussawatzki
@atticussawatzki 3 жыл бұрын
So, I should hope for trickle-down economics? I will graduate debt-free next year by living on rice and beans and working full-time. No Democrat politician has shown interest in helping me.
@Tutel0093
@Tutel0093 4 жыл бұрын
americans terrified of socialism is my new kink
@TeknoSquirrel
@TeknoSquirrel 4 жыл бұрын
Just make sure it's not your main focus, winning people over to get things done is nice. Arguably making boomers see they agree with socialist ideas by just not using the s-word is better.
@silvermoonshineX3
@silvermoonshineX3 4 жыл бұрын
me too man. I have a treat for you: google "walmart germany fail" or sth like that and have fun, it's hilarious.
@marlongonzales2502
@marlongonzales2502 4 жыл бұрын
When you actually live an a socialist country than tell me that socialism is good
@jumajaco
@jumajaco 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: US has more socialism than Russia today
@pierdolio
@pierdolio 4 жыл бұрын
Why has the ridiculously high cost imposed by universities never been highlighted or questioned?
@watmosphere
@watmosphere 4 жыл бұрын
because it is their right to set such prices
@neeneko
@neeneko 4 жыл бұрын
it gets questioned a lot, but gets into the charged area of who should be making money and who should not, so it quickly degrades into worthyness arguments.
@neeneko
@neeneko 4 жыл бұрын
@rustydog0329 professors? They are just staff, the vast majority are part time, they have no power. The administrators and board members tend to lean republican, and they actually make the decisions.
@johnong2655
@johnong2655 4 жыл бұрын
@yomammasheknowz It's plausible. I'm just wondering averagely how many students does a university lecturer in America takes in for a lecture class?
@johnong2655
@johnong2655 4 жыл бұрын
The scary thing is seeing the amount and numbers in the student debt. There should a decrease in the education cost instead of cancelling the debt. The same goes for America's health care.
@madisondeitch8053
@madisondeitch8053 4 жыл бұрын
This video was very informative. It didn't answer every question for me, but I definitely appreciate it. Plus, the visual aspect is really helpful. Great video overall :)
@T0BBi94
@T0BBi94 4 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in Sweden I have gotten paid to study, so much in fact that I have been able to use it for down payment on my apartment.
@535ejayeshdusseja5
@535ejayeshdusseja5 3 жыл бұрын
What really?
@valentinheredia5558
@valentinheredia5558 3 жыл бұрын
@@535ejayeshdusseja5 yup, but they pay ridiculous amount of taxes, it's not like the teachers are going to teach students for free, or the housing or him getting paid to go to school is for free, someone always pays.
@HopelessCT
@HopelessCT 3 жыл бұрын
might need to look into becoming swedish
@jaime9927
@jaime9927 3 жыл бұрын
@@valentinheredia5558 don't care, the taxes are worth it
@kelly2631
@kelly2631 3 жыл бұрын
@@valentinheredia5558 Let's compare how much they pay in taxes to how much we pay in student loans, healthcare, various forms of insurance, the number of PTO days they have v.s. the number we have, some countries having actual pensions....... the list goes on for quite a while.
@ianjonas
@ianjonas 4 жыл бұрын
"People should not be punished for getting a higher education at a competitive global economy" 😍
@santaclaws1501
@santaclaws1501 4 жыл бұрын
@Jeremy Jackson it's beneficial for everybody if more people are educated.
@TxInfinity
@TxInfinity 4 жыл бұрын
People should just join the military and get free college. I'm just saying.
@deepbllue
@deepbllue 4 жыл бұрын
@@Velvorian there is also an option to sell kidney, why not do that? I'm ironical and for the record, there is no worthless education. I teach chemistry but I equally appreciate dance theory.
@santaclaws1501
@santaclaws1501 4 жыл бұрын
@Jeremy Jackson better education benefits the society. The effect is definitely worth the cost, as much more money is put into the economy.
@santaclaws1501
@santaclaws1501 4 жыл бұрын
@@TxInfinity ah yes, don't you love possibly risking your life just to get an education? Oh wait, that's just going to school in america.
@evaristegalois6282
@evaristegalois6282 4 жыл бұрын
Can’t get student debt if you don’t go to college *[ insert picture of Roll Safe taping his finger to his forehead ]*
@aurumthebrave3427
@aurumthebrave3427 4 жыл бұрын
Link Genius.
@hectorvega621
@hectorvega621 4 жыл бұрын
Basically what I did. Now I'm a disappointment to my Parents.
@declup
@declup 4 жыл бұрын
Can't get a decent job without a college-issued piece of paper. (I exaggerate. It's possible, but increasingly, increasingly difficult. Many jobs don't require the skills purportedly inculcated by colleges; however, nearly all HR reps demand that diploma anyway. Because at this point it's become expected, and because they can.)
@JIMvc2
@JIMvc2 4 жыл бұрын
I finished college last December and paid it with my own money. Didn't party, go out, no gf, etc. Now landed a job in my field of study( with experience).
@gregstreet7902
@gregstreet7902 4 жыл бұрын
@@JIMvc2 you're a troll or need to be on a watchlist
@thomasfriedl3137
@thomasfriedl3137 3 жыл бұрын
Me, European: What is this student debt everyone is talking about?
@thomasfriedl3137
@thomasfriedl3137 3 жыл бұрын
Our taxes aren't that much higher and for these 10% more we get school and healthcare pretty much free
@chrisg1499
@chrisg1499 4 жыл бұрын
Choices I made to graduate with no debt: --Complete half the degree at a 2-year instituion (tuition guaranteed w/ grants) --Study intensely for the ACT to earn an academic scholarship --Choose a public state school (IN-STATE) --Always live modestly (with roommates) to lower rent --Continue to work part-time throughout the entirety of the degree (esp. during breaks) Wiping the debt for all undermines responsible students who minimized their debt or payed it back after completing their degree. Nobody is physically forced to sign for loans. We must be held responsible for our decisions and lifestyle choices. As long as there is a line of people blindly willing to sign up with loans at full price, schools will have no incentive to lower costs.
@paulborneo7535
@paulborneo7535 4 жыл бұрын
This video claims that cancelling student debt won't help those who didn't go to college and take debt on. This is not true. Everyone will benefit from the increased economic activity that debt forgiveness will create. Our economy is being held back by these debts preventing millions from fully participating in the economy. The money will go to food, housing, cars and the purchases that bring economic prosperity to all.
@AZAZEL_TK
@AZAZEL_TK 4 жыл бұрын
How so?
@akhilmishra7129
@akhilmishra7129 4 жыл бұрын
The point is they can also ask for their housing/personal loan cancellation as well. You are right when you say it would benefit them but that would be quite indirectly while college attendees will get a very direct boost.
@yaboiinlouisiana4169
@yaboiinlouisiana4169 4 жыл бұрын
@@AZAZEL_TK If people have more momey, people spend more money. They'd replace their student debt with housing or car debt. Last time I checked, construction workers, electricians, plumbers, mechanics, and salepeople (for furniture, cars, and appliances) don't normally go to college. They'd get more sales and more business, providing some combination of higher pay and job growth.
@yaboiinlouisiana4169
@yaboiinlouisiana4169 4 жыл бұрын
@rustydog0329 Singapore did just that a few decades ago by public finance. They went from dirt poor as a people to 95% home ownership and a strong economy. The problem now is that the same people who have student debt can't afford a mortgage in the face of increasing home prices, which is why American home ownership is falling. Student debt is meant to improve lives, yet it does not. That is the problem. Mortgages exist to improve lives by increasing home ownership: for the fiscally responsible, they do. Doesn't help that big banks were bailed out in 2008 when people weren't. The fact that deleted mortgages would help people is not an excuse not to help with student debt. In either case, the true middle class of the US is basically nonexistent and needs help. This is about getting the government to do literally anything beneficial to build a middle class at this point and improve lives.
@yaboiinlouisiana4169
@yaboiinlouisiana4169 4 жыл бұрын
@rustydog0329 Agreed. But if student debt enables education and that is what is perceived as a requirement for a better life.. then isn't the debt defeating the point of education?
@MissingNo99
@MissingNo99 4 жыл бұрын
thank god I don't live in this broken system. I'm a med student from Germany. I got my place at university because of hard work and dedication. And this is how it should be. Work should pay off.
@declup
@declup 4 жыл бұрын
MissingNo, obviously, I don't fully understand your situation, but I'm guessing it's possible that a lifetime of experiences have also contributed to your placement at university. Maybe you've had family support, or good-quality primary education, or friendships with knowledgeable peers, or genetic good fortune. Hard work is necessary, and I commend you for your assiduity, but even propensity to hard work isn't a given -- it's partly induced by external factors as well.
@GrayFoxHound9
@GrayFoxHound9 4 жыл бұрын
​@@TheOwenMajor The government pays for him from taxes He works hard He has a job and an income Pays somewhere around 42% in taxes for his income (low income is tax free and mid income is 14-42% in taxes, if we believe google) which is more money for the gov And executes important for the society function It is a win-win situation
@GrayFoxHound9
@GrayFoxHound9 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheOwenMajor so, you know what all those med students backgrounds that the government ordered is? Moreover, you know that for every student of every specialty that every higher education structure with government contract places has?
@Oli-lk1gp
@Oli-lk1gp 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheOwenMajor "basic statistics" ? Of Germany ? Or USA because in Germany most of med students don't come from high-income families, and studies being free, that helps having students from low-income families.
@Oli-lk1gp
@Oli-lk1gp 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheOwenMajor proof of what ? German Unis being free or the part of "most students are not from high-income families".
@chaoticprogramming
@chaoticprogramming 3 жыл бұрын
This feels like fixing a leaking faucet by drying if off. Its still gonna keep comming, and does not help the people who missed out and stayed behind to avoid it.
@adithyastren6218
@adithyastren6218 3 жыл бұрын
People who propose it almost always couple it with a "and then we make colloge free or far cheaper"
@Magooinvesting
@Magooinvesting 4 жыл бұрын
As someone that just graduated with a BS, this makes me sad
@Pcarnevaaa
@Pcarnevaaa 4 жыл бұрын
Oof
@RudieObias
@RudieObias 4 жыл бұрын
I guess I was very lucky to graduate from college with zero debt. I had a lot of scholarships that paid for my school.
@johnanna6047
@johnanna6047 4 жыл бұрын
Same here bro. I am 24 and $0 in debt. Many people pay high amounts of fees to get useless degrees like art history.
@rahuldhargalkar
@rahuldhargalkar 4 жыл бұрын
Whoa! Lucky fella 😅
@rahuldhargalkar
@rahuldhargalkar 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnanna6047 cool! What degree do you have? Just curious
@johnanna6047
@johnanna6047 4 жыл бұрын
@@rahuldhargalkar computer science bro. I currently work as a senior software developer/senior tech consultant and I do some freelance work on the side for extra income. So because of that I have $0 debt , $290k as my annual ctc and make extra $80-$90 k per year from freelance.
@johnanna6047
@johnanna6047 4 жыл бұрын
@@rahuldhargalkar Are you indian?
@steventitus4399
@steventitus4399 4 жыл бұрын
Help us Mr. Robot, you're our only hope.
@YellowToomNook
@YellowToomNook 4 жыл бұрын
It had always seemed ridiculous to me why we have free college in Mexico, but not in the US...
@archanjr5184
@archanjr5184 3 жыл бұрын
Capitalism
@treymedley
@treymedley 4 жыл бұрын
Tl;dr: I'm a big dot with a PhD (lot of debt), but am significantly underemployed (near poverty line), and I'm not alone. My bigger concern is that there is a quality gap between elite universities (for the rich) and everyone else. Went to college on a 90% ride. Continued through a Masters on a 95% scholarship. I was good at school (really good). So my professors all encouraged me to get a PhD. In particular, they said I should look to particular programs in line with my studies outside the US. Don't worry, they said, you can still use US federal Aid for some of these top tier programs. I got a partial scholarship, but because schools in the UK charge significantly more to non-home students (which they should, I had not paid taxes there, nor would I afterward due to strict anti-immigration laws), I graduated with more debt than the value of my parents and my in-laws homes were worth combined. I'm one of those big dots. My PhD, however, is in the humanities. I am trained to do, primarily, one thing: teach and research (e.g. be a professor) and that's about it. Unfortunately, the other side of higher education is that the number of tenure track (or even just full time) teaching/research jobs has not even held steady. I found out, after the fact, that there was a crises in higher education jobs stretching back to the late 1980s. New jobs were not being created even as the number of PhD graduates went up. Still, I was told, not to worry, I went to a top tier school, I had excellent recommenders, I would be able to get a job teaching. In the 2010s, however, education began a shift that has only accelerated. Now, not only were new jobs not being created, but older established positions were being replaced by part time positions. It turns out, in terms of strict coverage, colleges and universities found out they cover the same number of courses that one full time faculty member taught with 2 or 3 part time faculty for about 1/3 the cost. As for-profit schools entered the scene, state funding went down, and competition for students went up, a business (rather than non-profit) mindset took hold that encouraged this. Teaching heavy schools began to phase out full time faculty. As a result, I have not found a professor job (other than some part time work here and there) and am significantly under-employed. My situation is not unique. This is problematic not just for me, but for all higher education. (In my current job, a professional role for a college, I do research on student success, for way less money (near poverty level for a family of 4) to help my much better paid superiors look good even though only about half of them understand how I do my research and make recommendations). The research is almost universal in showing that students have better outcomes when they have courses taught by full time faculty rather than part time or adjunct faculty (which, if it's permanently part time, why is it still called adjunct?). This is likely due to a variety of factors like professors able to devote more time to helping students or meeting with them regularly. Relationship building with faculty that is key to students returning. Faculty able to take an interest in students (especially low income students) so they can offer additional resources and help when a student starts to fade away (students don't typically come out an say they are having a problem, they just disappear from the college). There are so many more. To be sure this doesn't affect elite schools at all. The problem is that results in a wider gap in education between lower and middle funded schools and the top tier elite schools attended almost entirely by the nation's wealthy. The wealth gap between the richest and the poorest is exacerbated by a growing higher education gap. Students who are poorer tend to attend schools where the practice of having a majority adjunct/part time faculty is normalized, and thus tend to have an inferior education, are less likely to be successful in school, and significantly less likely to have an earning potential like that of students at elite schools or even students who graduated from the same institution 20 years ago. So students are even less able to improve their situation than they would previously have been. The result is that this means higher education is no longer a "ticket out of poverty." Rather it results in mild improvements that are not generational (as they were in years past) and simply help one generation stay slightly above. College is still worth it, but it no longer has the systemic long term impact that it used to have, so it's not as worth it as it used to be. This is directly attributable to the shift in part time professorship. (But I can't seem to convince my higher ups that this is better allocation of resources than some other new initiative, because the impact takes much longer and is, in many ways, harder to track).
@Dr_JSH
@Dr_JSH 11 ай бұрын
Sorry. You are correct finding a tenure-track position isn't ready, especially in the humanities, where an open position for an assistant professor usually gets 100+ applications. In my discipline (nutrition and dietetics), we would usually get 15 or so applicantions. People also get "tainted" as time passes outside of academia, and the real shade comes for people who are denied tenure and are out of a job (usually with a one-year extension to the assistant-professor contract). It can be an anxiety-plagued career choice and work environment.
@malik250988
@malik250988 4 жыл бұрын
Americans show your patriotism now where it’s actually needed. Cancel all student debts from now on. Education is a necessity. So that we don’t germinate any more climate change deniers.
@kmartins5604
@kmartins5604 4 жыл бұрын
Education is not a necessity, it’s a privilege. Especially when you go to a 100,000 dollar university when a local school would cost a fraction. People choose to take out tens of thousands of loans because they WANT to go to a big school when you don’t need to.
@Octopusmaster
@Octopusmaster 4 жыл бұрын
malik qayyum only if you pay back the thousands of dollars have spent on my Licensing and certificate education. I actually utilize my certifications and licenses. But you don’t hear an AC, Plumbing, or Roofing contractor demanding the government give them something for nothing. Why should you?
@piguy3945
@piguy3945 4 жыл бұрын
But the problem is we are overprescribing College. Some people can really do well in their own career.
@kmartins5604
@kmartins5604 4 жыл бұрын
*Tea Truffel* when you have high school already paid for and available to all. What value will a bachelors degree have if everyone has one too. Higher education has always been a privilege. College isn’t and shouldn’t be for everyone. If you can’t afford to go than it’s not for you, if you’re not smart enough to make it, it’s not for you. If you still go knowing these things than the consequences belong to you and you only
@cbock1836
@cbock1836 4 жыл бұрын
Kalvin Martinez “if you can’t afford to go then** it’s not for you” that just promotes more class division, with that mind set the rich stay rich and the poor have literally no chance of changing their wealth status, if everyone thought the way you do, poorer people would just stay uneducated and be forced into unskilled work that pays less and the ones who can afford to pay for the entire thing will continue to get the skilled higher paying jobs
@harry2788
@harry2788 4 жыл бұрын
In Denmark we just have a shitload of taxes so University and healthcare is free
@rileybrown4066
@rileybrown4066 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing is free, the burden of paying for it just goes to the tax payers instead of the student.
@joewhite2484
@joewhite2484 4 жыл бұрын
Pay for what you dont want or need....comrade
@JamEngulfer
@JamEngulfer 4 жыл бұрын
@@rileybrown4066 Well done, you can't even read the comment you're replying to.
@mirellesahin5003
@mirellesahin5003 4 жыл бұрын
@@rileybrown4066 everybody pays taxes even student, even if you go buying groceries u still pay taxes
@rileybrown4066
@rileybrown4066 4 жыл бұрын
@@JamEngulfer how so?
@randynguyen2020
@randynguyen2020 4 жыл бұрын
This video has really good visual representation. Easy to understand.
@AntonKuznetsovMusic
@AntonKuznetsovMusic 4 жыл бұрын
2:25 :O woow, what kind of magic trickery was that transition?!
@TheAmazingDolph
@TheAmazingDolph 4 жыл бұрын
I think as a very first step is to pin all interest to 0%, so at the very least the debt never grows and inflation will lower the actual value.
@josephkim3758
@josephkim3758 4 жыл бұрын
TheAmazingDolphin then why would anyone lend money for college. It would be more profitable for people with money to buy a safer higher interest rate govt bond than loan to students. All your solution would accomplish is prevent everyone except those who can fully pay tuitions from attending higher education.
@TheAmazingDolph
@TheAmazingDolph 4 жыл бұрын
​@@josephkim3758 This solution prevents people losing the principle. And it's a solution for currently existing debt, not a suggestion for how things move foward.
@vksepe
@vksepe 4 жыл бұрын
@@josephkim3758 Maybe the American government could be the loan giver? In the UK we have Student Finance England which provides the loans. Furthermore, you don't have to pay a dime until you reach above £25000 and only a small fraction of it at that limit so it allows people to invest in education without suffocating them with debt.
@marktheshark8320
@marktheshark8320 4 жыл бұрын
Free money!!!!!!
@vksepe
@vksepe 4 жыл бұрын
@@marktheshark8320 Not really free if you have to pay it back
@themasstermwahahahah
@themasstermwahahahah 4 жыл бұрын
For context, the F35 program in the military will cost 1.5 trillion alone
@anthonytwichel8590
@anthonytwichel8590 4 жыл бұрын
And the F35 is hot trash. Money down the drain.
@redpanda7967
@redpanda7967 4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Twichel because of government over spending. If they gave a contract to Boeing and said “here’s 50 billion develop the best jet you can” it’d be done in ten years
@TheAmericanAmerican
@TheAmericanAmerican 4 жыл бұрын
Shinto my pants Bro Pshhh that’s a good price for a private college. My BS degree from a state university cost me $75,000 and I’m barely getting by month to month working as an engineer so... yea... Cancel ALL student loan debt.
@nikkity5491
@nikkity5491 4 жыл бұрын
@@anthonytwichel8590 yea the only good thing that came out of the F-35 was the technology not the aircraft itself
@ekevanderzee9538
@ekevanderzee9538 4 жыл бұрын
@Shinto my pants Bro but us citizens ARE forced to pay for military boondoggles like the F35
@lynndwho
@lynndwho 4 жыл бұрын
What this video doesnt show is the people with student loans that are considered middle class and lower middle class. Those people are struggling because so much of their income goes toward student loans and theier lesser counter parts who make less are doing much better because no loans, no degree but they are able to qualify for programs and assistance to help. Lower middle class with student loans are stuck.
@mssha1980
@mssha1980 3 жыл бұрын
Lower middle and middle class people are stuck. The country told these people to go to college and take on student debt
@bringbackwindowsphone
@bringbackwindowsphone 4 жыл бұрын
I love how the subtitles are presented. Satisfying.
@declup
@declup 4 жыл бұрын
The problem of student debt was recognizable prior to 2008. Why haven't this issue and inflated tuition been given the same level of attention as the mortgage crisis and inflated housing costs? I conjecture the two might even have related causes.
@velucadhirim6725
@velucadhirim6725 4 жыл бұрын
The U.S government should just stop providing money to students. This would cause colleges to lower their prices to be affordable to college students and then the U.S government cancels all student loan debt.
@damiandelatorre3416
@damiandelatorre3416 4 жыл бұрын
Sydney Shorltz I agree. I go to ASU where they offer $20,000 loans like nothing while I was GENEROUSLY awarded $10 this semester in scholarships :(
@oscard9429
@oscard9429 4 жыл бұрын
nah universities probably aint getting less expensive unless if they were going to lower the quality of life on campus and the education standards, we need student loans so some of these goons out here have a chance
@velucadhirim6725
@velucadhirim6725 4 жыл бұрын
@@oscard9429 there would be competition between colleges and if there was one had college, you could go to another college that does have a better campus. That would cause the worse campus to up its game and get better or else they lose money and customers(students)
@AatifSumar
@AatifSumar 4 жыл бұрын
We need to separate interest owed vs actually capital, and maybe consider forgiving interest accrued.
@bcnicholas123
@bcnicholas123 4 жыл бұрын
And just think how much worse it’ll all get when the next recession finally hits
@Bobo-jy5mg
@Bobo-jy5mg 4 жыл бұрын
It hit lol
@unbuiltarcher4646
@unbuiltarcher4646 4 жыл бұрын
Oof, it hit hard this time, like really hard
@Pcarnevaaa
@Pcarnevaaa 4 жыл бұрын
They predict that student loans will triple in the next fall semester, since in a recession people go back to school. I feel sorry for the new bachelors graduates in the next 5 years. The job market will have tons of Masters degrees and experience since that’s the response of anyone getting kicked out of their job right now. My advice? If you are going to start a 4 year education route. Consider other options...
@Bobo-jy5mg
@Bobo-jy5mg 4 жыл бұрын
Pmoose Travern the student loan debt won’t triple lol
@nuance6631
@nuance6631 4 жыл бұрын
Title: All student debt in the United States, visualised Me, an intellectual: *NOT STONKS*
@mistrex
@mistrex 4 жыл бұрын
SKNOTS
@branm5459
@branm5459 4 жыл бұрын
Stonkn’ts
@alluneedislessthan3
@alluneedislessthan3 4 жыл бұрын
It’s been 5 years since I graduated high school and so far all college has given me is thousands in debt and a mental breakdown. Some American Dream. (And now I’m $8,000 extra in debt for daring to get some help for my mental breakdown even though I allegedly have good health insurance)
@alluneedislessthan3
@alluneedislessthan3 4 жыл бұрын
Joseph Delahunty yeah lol I’d be in Canada or Europe next week if I could afford it. But alas, no degree yet so my money making opportunities are much more limited. (Despite having done over 4 years of work and having a good gpa 🙃)
@keeganmoonshine7183
@keeganmoonshine7183 4 жыл бұрын
Same boat. All this debt and 9 classes left until I get that piece of paper that makes it so I don't have to do backbreaking labour for 50 hours a week.
@oscard9429
@oscard9429 4 жыл бұрын
pfft well was the makeup science degree worth it?😂
@ianlong1437
@ianlong1437 4 жыл бұрын
@Scooters Videos just because the degree has great jobs you can get with it doesn't mean that job market is in demand for new workers. That's a very large problem that's not addressed. Less that 50% of people get a job related to their degree cause they dont research the market before, and of course the market can switch while in college but you should plan for this as well. Not saying its everyone's fault but cmon I know it s a meme at this point but paying thousands for a social science degree and crying about not being able to pay it off?? Cmon
@SammaSun
@SammaSun 4 жыл бұрын
Great visualization. I would love to see a video more about the consequences of canceling student debt. You kind of touched on it here that canceling the debt will not help most Americans who didn’t go to college. But what are the more widespread effects, to the economy, to higher education, etc.? Will taxes need to be increased? What will happen to the Dept of Education if all student debt is canceled? What are they doing with all that loan money anyway? I feel like nobody ever talks about these things...
@kobbybold9814
@kobbybold9814 4 жыл бұрын
What plugin or script did Vox use for this animation?
@MarkusNapp
@MarkusNapp 4 жыл бұрын
@Vox 1:17 video says "1.6 trillion" and shows the number. Subtitles says "1.6 billion".
@arditlika9388
@arditlika9388 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't. Which is ironic for me, since in Europe a billion is equivalent to a trillion in America
@ArgKaiser
@ArgKaiser 4 жыл бұрын
@@arditlika9388 exactly. What they call a billion, we call it a thousand million
@rogofos
@rogofos 4 жыл бұрын
1 - 1,6 and 11 zeroes exactly 1.6 trln 2 - its more then Russian Federation GDP, while RF have free education : /
@tamx9894
@tamx9894 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. 1 billion for Europeans at least here in Latvia is equal to 1 *milliard*, not billion. A trillion is 1000x more than a billion.
@PD-ht2yk
@PD-ht2yk 4 жыл бұрын
Hope u gave your video editor a RAISE after this
@johnknow11
@johnknow11 4 жыл бұрын
It would be more interesting to know how much owed is from the principal versus accumulated interest. Just lower the interest maybe subsidize the loan for everyone while going to college and lower interest after graduating. That would probably ease the burden without needing to cancel the loans. The loan ain’t the issue it’s the occurred interest that makes it difficult.
@ishaanagarwal657
@ishaanagarwal657 4 жыл бұрын
Cancelling student loan is good, but not sufficient, they should come up with plans that would prevent the future generations from falling in debt
@Mark-sn6kh
@Mark-sn6kh 4 жыл бұрын
Don't buy things you can't afford? Be responsible? I mean how hard is this stuff?
@lucareale6717
@lucareale6717 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mark-sn6kh what do you mean by that?
@blableu4519
@blableu4519 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mark-sn6kh The problem is that college students can't have a high-paying job because they need to attend college. Most of them take a part-time retail job to afford paying the debt and eating. Plus , they don't spend that much in random stuff. There is a reason why the stereotype of a collenge student is a young adult studying a lot and eating cheap food (ramen, fast food). It is that hard.
@humblegrind8
@humblegrind8 4 жыл бұрын
If any candidate can truly take away student loan debt, I will vote for them. Period. We shouldn't have to owe money for making a life, career, and a degree for ourselves.
@abec8211
@abec8211 4 жыл бұрын
Let me get out a loan real quick for $200K with the intention of not paying back since Bernie will pay it from YOUR dollar.
@oscard9429
@oscard9429 4 жыл бұрын
😞😞smh ur just falling for their trick, there is no way for them to pay ur loan buddy, u took it out u pay it back, they just want votes fr, how would u feel if the government raised your taxes to pay for someone elses loan?
@irihox
@irihox 4 жыл бұрын
@Jeremy Jackson instead of spewing ignorance, please go to Bernie's website and learn how he plans to pay for it. Spoiler: it has nothing to do with raising taxes. It will be paid with a less than 0.5% fee on Wall Street transactions, and it will raise more than 2 billion, which is more than enough to cancel student debt for everyone regardless of income.
@abec8211
@abec8211 4 жыл бұрын
Iri Hox wait what? Only 2 Billion? 😂😂
@bobbymounts
@bobbymounts 4 жыл бұрын
@Iri Hox instead of taking the person selling you something word look into it yourself.....("Don't take the car salesman word for it") That was tried in Sweden and it turned out to be a huge failure (didn't garnish as much money as planned only 5% of what the gov claimed) and all trading moved to London. It was repealed 6 years later. Hes proposing an already failed plan from recent years. Also that 0.5% is actually huge and will eat away anyone's retirement (who has a sensible retirement account like a 401k/roth/traditional IRA).
@phantomly8871
@phantomly8871 4 жыл бұрын
IMO the thumbnail looks as if a city got snapped by thanos.
@RIFLQ
@RIFLQ 4 жыл бұрын
I'm more concern with Vox's computer rendering all the circles
@herluivarvela9527
@herluivarvela9527 4 жыл бұрын
In Argentina we have many state funded colleges in wich you don't pay anything to study (and they have a great academic level too), but getting a degree is quite bureaucratic and tortuous. After college, when you are job-hunting, state funded colleges carry way more merits because not only you got your degree, you also had the tenacity to go through all those bureaucratic hoops.
@lucascb8446
@lucascb8446 4 жыл бұрын
Where I live going to a university has to be free (I think) by law. This makes higher education much more atractive but brings many problems. Because almost everyone wants to get as educated as possible to earn as much money as possible (which isn't always connected though) labour jobs and pretty much anything outside of office jobs have tons of open spots, because noone wants to do these jobs anymore.
@fiannafailgalway8446
@fiannafailgalway8446 4 жыл бұрын
Your Stock market also went down by nearly 50 % due to an election result
@herluivarvela9527
@herluivarvela9527 4 жыл бұрын
@@fiannafailgalway8446 that's because the result of that election wasn't capitalists-friendly
@harlanzip
@harlanzip 4 жыл бұрын
Let’s be clear... it’s not “cancel”, the debt is owed. This means the government (taxpayers) take over payments. The tuition has been paid to the university, but this is all a matter of who pays it back.
@voteforno.6155
@voteforno.6155 4 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of the debt is held by the federal government, not private lenders. So, "cancellation" is indeed the correct terminology.
@harlanzip
@harlanzip 4 жыл бұрын
vote for no. 6 You are completely incorrect. It doesn’t matter if the government owns the debt, in that case they paid money directly to the university. Federal tax money was used, so the taxpayers are picking up the tab and not being reimbursed.
@jimbocarter7202
@jimbocarter7202 4 жыл бұрын
Aren't Millennials now officially a "working class citizens". Shouldn't we focus more on Gen Z.
@GeeTransit
@GeeTransit 4 жыл бұрын
well, they can work, but some are still in school.
@oliverwilson11
@oliverwilson11 4 жыл бұрын
They mostly aren't old enough to have student loans yet
@sam08g16
@sam08g16 4 жыл бұрын
Not worth the investment, none of them will survive the U.S. - China Great War of 2026
@brendo3808
@brendo3808 4 жыл бұрын
@@oliverwilson11 Gen Z is from 1995-2003 ish, theyre 16-24/5, so most are well old enough to get loans.
@oliverwilson11
@oliverwilson11 4 жыл бұрын
@@brendo3808 I thought it was 2000-2020. Those are sensible round numbers. Where are you getting 1995-2003?
@portzblitz
@portzblitz 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Could use further elaboration of the last minute.. Maybe a stretch to two or three. Thanks
@Alex22601
@Alex22601 3 жыл бұрын
America is not a country. It is a Business.
@FidaAifiya
@FidaAifiya 4 жыл бұрын
I'm here to appreciate the beautiful infographic
@abhinavbaruah2761
@abhinavbaruah2761 4 жыл бұрын
In India my 3 years of undergraduate college costed me 3300 Dollars in total. Including tuition, food and residence.
@rednola9892
@rednola9892 4 жыл бұрын
What is a livable wage in India?
@abhinavbaruah2761
@abhinavbaruah2761 4 жыл бұрын
@@rednola9892 In Tier 1 cities like Delhi , Mumbai 700$ per month is enough to live a basic middle class life. In Tier 2 cities 450-500$ per month. The figures are based on my experiences of living in both Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities.
@rednola9892
@rednola9892 4 жыл бұрын
@@abhinavbaruah2761 Sounds like the affordability when my parents were growing up. Livable wage here is 4k/month and 3 years will cost you 100k easy just for a public college. Free if your family is poor. I didn't pay anything.
@benbrown8255
@benbrown8255 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine agreeing to pay an institution for something then demanding someone who had nothing to do with your decision to pay for it
@jerrylostinaz4421
@jerrylostinaz4421 4 жыл бұрын
that hard math there ..
@DarkJonas33
@DarkJonas33 4 жыл бұрын
In New Zealand our government subsidises about 75% of University fees so it typically costs around $5000 per year. We also have interest free student loans (but there are minimum repayments that have to be made).
@MonaLisa-fy4hg
@MonaLisa-fy4hg 4 жыл бұрын
My history teacher (who grew up in the 60's) told us that he only had to work a summer job and was able to pay all of his college stuff for the year
@myshoe19
@myshoe19 4 жыл бұрын
As a high school student, I’m TERRIFIED of going to college and racking up thousands in debt for a degree which I may not even end up using.
@susanlopez3676
@susanlopez3676 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the US should consider changing the terms of the loans to match monthly payments to income level as they do in Australia. There has also been a proposal that would limit those payments to 20 years. This would provide debt relief to people whose income is not at the same level as those who paid for a professional degree but they would still have to pay their debt.
@eunac3037
@eunac3037 4 жыл бұрын
Those visuals are amazing.
@aa-to6ws
@aa-to6ws 4 жыл бұрын
College in the UNAM (México's City) costs less than 3 pesos. (1/6 of a dollar) But in the UANL (The farthest city from the economic center) costs around 500. And still, the success lays in your decisions and hard work. Although we are around 1/3 of USA population.
@dantheman3850
@dantheman3850 4 жыл бұрын
UNAM actually has a minimum fee of 25 cents per semester (or 50 cents a year), not 3 pesos, so it's even cheaper!
@josueem14
@josueem14 4 жыл бұрын
It's paid by taxpayer money, all mexicans pay for it. Which is kind of unfair to the rest of the people who don't get to enter, why should we pay for your education?
@mlc4495
@mlc4495 4 жыл бұрын
@@josueem14 If you don't like living in a society then go emigrate to Antarctica.
@josueem14
@josueem14 4 жыл бұрын
@@mlc4495 that doesn't answer my question. And I don't emigrate to Antartica because I simply don't want to :)
@david_strike
@david_strike 4 жыл бұрын
Things are a little bit different here on Mexico, a good amount of people doesn't get to the highschool level. And as you know, we are the meca of unskilled work factories called "maquilas" where companies can produce for really cheap prices. Going back to the university thing, counting that most of the Mexican people are around the lower-middle class, there is a shortage of high-skilled workers. So, the universities are government-subsided to make more people be able to get university education. From my perspective, this is not a: "it's not fair if we all pay, we can't all go to university" it's more like "We need to get the most people capable to attend the university to be there" The US system seems like a tool to classify the "Worthness" of people based on their income, pretty sad tbh
@climatetech511
@climatetech511 4 жыл бұрын
"Cancel" student loan debt? Isn't it more accurate to say that the burden to pay this debt would be shifted to the taxpayer?
@confederatestatesofamerica5652
@confederatestatesofamerica5652 2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is that I got a loan ad when I clicked this.
@itscarolina837
@itscarolina837 4 жыл бұрын
how I feel towards college I’ll choose the one that offers me the best deal
@Zeratul187
@Zeratul187 4 жыл бұрын
"Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"
@johndirac6707
@johndirac6707 4 жыл бұрын
What? It's capitalism for the rich, and socialism for the poor. The poor have almost all of their wealth taxed away, and are paying an extra $300+/mo in property tax to rent, along with hundreds a month in regulations and fines. All of this money then disappears into the black hole that is the government. The rich avoid that, but avoiding something harmful is not socialism. Avoiding something harmful is called capitalism, because you're free to do whatever you want, so you will obviously do whatever helps you the most.
@twgok3162
@twgok3162 4 жыл бұрын
@@johndirac6707socialism gives full control to the top of society while capitalism give control to whoever can get the most capital which a lot of young millionaires proved is possible so capitalism for the poor and the rich love government control cause guess who the government is paid by the top 1 percent pays 40 percent of taxes
@raresmircea
@raresmircea 4 жыл бұрын
Best comment: 7 trillion on Middle East wars Media: crickets 10 trillion + bailing out Wall Street Media: ... Bernie proposes canceling student debt Media: WOAH THERE PAL !
@raresmircea
@raresmircea 4 жыл бұрын
@@lightningcat6382 So that the message becomes more visible.
@raresmircea
@raresmircea 4 жыл бұрын
@@lightningcat6382 When i read it it wasn't inn the first few comments. But that doesn't matter: see any video in its first days, while it's still making thousands of comments per day, note the first 10-20 comments, and then return the next day, and again a couple of days later. See if "the second top comment" remains so. KZfaq had to develop an algorithm that gives opportunity to more comments to show up top, that means occasionally burying the top comments otherwise they'll get a disproportionate amount of likes compared to other just because they're in front.
@raresmircea
@raresmircea 4 жыл бұрын
@@NotAFanOfHandles If you'd read the previous comments perhaps you wouldn't be so upset with me
@raresmircea
@raresmircea 4 жыл бұрын
@@NotAFanOfHandles Well at least i had upvoted that comment
@FanmadeTime
@FanmadeTime 4 жыл бұрын
See you guys in 3 years when KZfaq decides to recommend this to everyone
@AnExistanceOfNothing
@AnExistanceOfNothing 4 жыл бұрын
A bit off topic, but in reference to the graphics: "Mr. Sanders, I don't feel so good."
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