All the Detail - Vehicle Balance

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Reg Local

Reg Local

Жыл бұрын

In this video, I'll give you the one tip which will completely transform your cornering. Your car will feel more accurate & planted through the corner & you will have much greater control through the bends!
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@DavidMBanes
@DavidMBanes 23 күн бұрын
Glad I found this and you are teaching people about it as I learnt this rallying many years ago.
@cactusbase3088
@cactusbase3088 Жыл бұрын
And the most important take home message with this. Avoid braking into a corner especially if the road is slippery due to weather conditions or loose material on its surface. I played a game recently on a journey with multiple particularly twisty stretches of roads. How many drivers actively brake whilst cornering, and I mean proper corners where the car would certainly be significantly unbalanced. I reckon 80% of drivers where doing so. Modern cars with modern traction control technology are certainly helping these drivers but perhaps with a detrimental effect of making them much poorer, dare I say lazy, drivers.
@johnkeepin7527
@johnkeepin7527 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Modern cars have a lot of automatic sub-systems that are useful, but they can’t overcome the limits as to what a tyre can do. In the old days (before anti brake skid etc were developed) we were advised to avoid braking on a corner as much as possible. The related issue then is what the view ahead is like - most of the route in this presentation is wide open, but there are plenty of roads with tight curves which tighten up on the curve. When it’s an unfamiliar route, it can be awkward.
@TheSometimeAfter
@TheSometimeAfter Жыл бұрын
Ok Buzz Killington
@ianmason.
@ianmason. Жыл бұрын
Ride a motorbike. Nothing will tell you the truth about what tyres do under acceleration, braking, lateral forces, and all the combinations thereof than a motorbike will. You don't get saved from your own ignorance of tyre performance by a second set of wheels, you learn from ( hopefully _nearly_ ) dropping your bum onto fast moving tarmac because two wheels are *_much_* less forgiving of driver errors than four. There's a physical reason that two motorcycle mantras are "Always break in a straight line", and "Constant power around bends" - the laws of physics being what they are, those two mantras work for four wheels too.
@cactusbase3088
@cactusbase3088 Жыл бұрын
@ianmason9749 absolutely. Well described.
@frazermountford
@frazermountford Жыл бұрын
Whilst sat of my sofa im trying to think to myself whether i do this myself or not. Maybe i do, maybe i dont but i think this is the first time this has been its been explained to me in this way so i shall be mindful of this, thank you.
@lollipops111
@lollipops111 Жыл бұрын
Loving these. Top advice 🙌🏻
@CaptChaos1964
@CaptChaos1964 9 ай бұрын
I’ve become a much more competent driver since watching your videos Reg, I’ve learned so much, I passed my test about 40 years ago! You’re never too old to learn.
@davidwright5360
@davidwright5360 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Reg very informative I love my driving and try to improve every time I'm behind the wheel. Great tips on setting the car up, it's all about driving smoothly at different speeds.
@johns7446
@johns7446 Жыл бұрын
Very well explained and very easy to understand. Balance is so important :)
@HuwRoberts9
@HuwRoberts9 Жыл бұрын
Another successful informative video Thank's
@rogerduerden373
@rogerduerden373 Жыл бұрын
A very clear explanation - many thanks. I'd be very interested in a similar video for bikes.
@grizzlystr3445
@grizzlystr3445 Жыл бұрын
Gave it a try last night in my front wheel drive motor. Car feels more balanced & settled. Top advice, please upload a few more. I’m a biker too so know all about vanishing points in your previous video, but still lots to learn. Great content, keep up the top work, and thanks 👍😎
@gryaristaiwandrive
@gryaristaiwandrive 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the detail explanation. It's very useful on mountain roads driving!
@lewishammond1
@lewishammond1 Жыл бұрын
This is brilliant Reg, I'll let you no how I get on with my new JCW.
@J4NOObs
@J4NOObs Жыл бұрын
ngl a lot of this stuff is second nature to me but it is all good to be more conscious of i love the way that camera is mounted btw i feel like it gives you a lot of an understanding of how the car handles compared to most videos honestly that is what they need in car reviews 7:21
@kythai3105
@kythai3105 10 ай бұрын
I just came across your channel. Invaluable content that I have been looking for. Thank you so much for the great videos.
@RegLocal
@RegLocal 10 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@cofty
@cofty Жыл бұрын
Great video Reg thanks. I think the point you make starting around 10 mins is key. If you don't apply power in a turn, the friction of cornering will slow the car which uses some of the available traction that you need for lateral grip. That injection of throttle makes a huge difference.
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Жыл бұрын
I found this really important in a rear wheel drive with a mechanical LSD. You need to get even 2% on gas at corner entry, or face a horrible change of attitude as you go from - to + throttle. Then never lift! A good example of how secure a car can feel using this technique, that everyone should be aware of, is that your car will always feel WAY better turning in a compression, than turning over a crest. Nice video. These should be compulsory 🤓
@R04drunner1
@R04drunner1 Жыл бұрын
Always love your videos Reg. A quick question. It seems to me you are keeping the car at a constant speed around the corner to remove the fore/aft acceleration component. If so, would it be useful to have cruise control on? The car would maintain a constant speed so would feel more stable. Does that make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
I’m a little confused by your comment. Isn’t your LSD applying some drive to your inside rear wheel effectively trying to straighten the car out in the bend, rather than help you round it? I’m not an engineer, perhaps I have misunderstood how they work.
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Жыл бұрын
@@peterthompson9854 You’re quite right. They can induce understeer too if not implemented well or driven clumsily. It’s why Lotus don’t like them. If you roll into a corner off the throttle, then apply even the smallest amount, the car will try to straighten, causing you to apply more lock as you increase throttle towards corner exit, leading to understeer. Backing off at all, dramatically tightens the nose, which can lead to a spin. It’s a horrible mess! If you load the diff with even the smallest input after the braking faze, then all is well and the diff does it’s job and allows more traction after the apex. It does encourage the Jackie Stewart ‘Method’ of driving. You only add throttle / steering ONCE in a corner. If you need to unwind lock already startle, you have failed. If the corner requires you to do that, then it should be planned as two corners. All good stuff and really good to learn.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@DontPanicDear Yes-I have a distinct memory of driving a series 2 RX7 (convertible-quite rare) in my youth and thinking the car was not keen on changing direction.
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Жыл бұрын
@@peterthompson9854 My experience began with a Quaife fitted to a BMW. Electronically controlled diffs seem to have eradicated the problem almost entirely too. My last few cars also have a helping hand at turn in, where the rear inside brake is applied in reaction to steering input! Can’t even feel it doing it!
@craiglyon9502
@craiglyon9502 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video these are brilliant as I'm getting closer to my advanced driving test with IAM 👍
@robertdodd2087
@robertdodd2087 Жыл бұрын
Belmont, one of my favourite roads, travelled iit many times.😅 I always used to trial the throttle into a corner, but after advice from yourself, I changed to this method, feels much better.
@acewelding
@acewelding Жыл бұрын
Great video thanks
@SJ8311
@SJ8311 Жыл бұрын
A significant component of the 'weight shift' during braking and accelerating is the change of angular momentum of the wheels and tyres. Angular momentum has to be conserved: when the car tries to slow the rotation of its wheels, the car itself tries to rotate around (particularly) its front axle. That's why the rear of the car "goes light" and the car tries to "stand on its nose" during harsh braking. If a wheel balancing machine weren't fastened to the floor when it stopped a spinning wheel then the machine would tend to topple over in the direction of the wheel's spin (or conversely, topple in the opposite direction when spinning the wheel up).
@jacobsolomon6845
@jacobsolomon6845 Жыл бұрын
After watching this video, my water cup never spilled on the corners
@alaneggleden1388
@alaneggleden1388 Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I felt last month with you mate, even though I done rospa and got a gold… I find I still need to revisit the basics of advanced driving like cornering principles and our session was spot on, fingers crossed for the iam masters and also my adi training… again, many thanks for your excellent in car training, Alan
@JayFe0
@JayFe0 Жыл бұрын
Good luck with your ADI tests! I'm an instructor and I absolutely love it.
@alaneggleden1388
@alaneggleden1388 Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate!!
@FenTour
@FenTour Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@markburton5170
@markburton5170 Жыл бұрын
As a Masters Mentor I also encourage this technique. However Reg, I'd like to hear you explain the difference between this teaching and track instruction which is generally to trail brake - that is, to brake into the bend, blending the brakes off as you blend the steering on. As well as generally being quicker on track, trail braking on the road means that if the bend tightens or an unexpected hazard comes into view you are already on the brakes - and can firm them up with no transition time and no upset to the balance of the car.
@muhammadzainiqbal5518
@muhammadzainiqbal5518 Жыл бұрын
Great comment… would also appreciate hearing what reg has to say about this!
@ARCNA442
@ARCNA442 Жыл бұрын
Trail braking for the track implies that you are lifting off the brakes as you add steering angle to maximize use of your tires' grip, leaving zero room for adding brake pressure without overwhelming your tires. You shouldn't be anywhere near the limits of grip on the street, rendering the track concept irrelevant to street driving and making trail braking purely about weight transfer, which Reg covered pretty thoroughly in this video.
@vsokolov987234
@vsokolov987234 Жыл бұрын
@@ARCNA442 it's not trail braking that is irrelevant on the street, it's being close to the limit of traction.
@markburton5170
@markburton5170 Жыл бұрын
@@ARCNA442 Trail braking on the road does not mean aiming to use all the grip of your tyres but does have the advantages I mentioned - to be weighed against the advantages of the Roadcraft method.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@ARCNA442 I’d argue that maximising balance and grip is every bit as relevant on the road as the track.
@lawrencecarlin4309
@lawrencecarlin4309 Жыл бұрын
Class mate
@kerrysdrivingschool2713
@kerrysdrivingschool2713 6 ай бұрын
Really useful
@rayfordham9230
@rayfordham9230 Жыл бұрын
With front wheel drive cars, which most are today, I've always worked on the principal that each tyre has a finite amount of grip and if you ask it to divide the grip it has got between two demanding situations, cornering and braking, you're going to run out of it quicker so brake before the corner use all the grip to get round and off you go again. Slow in fast out.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
As Reg states, the "finite" amount of grip on a given surface changes with the weight on the tyre, and it's not a subtle amount. So the question then is, are you better using grip X for a single function or dividing grip Y between multiple functions when Y>X? With the IAM cornering method in a FWD car, one demand is on the tyre on entry, that's true, but don't forget you are putting two demands on exit with cornering and acceleration (granted, gentle). So weight/grip is being removed from the front tyres via the acceleration, added to the outside tyre and removed from the inside tyre with the cornering, plus your differential will be removing drive from the inside wheel and creating less demand. Is it still a nice simple principle for you?😂 However, all of this talk about finite grip should be irrelevant for road driving where you should be well within the grip capabilities of the vehicle. So rather than slow in fast out, do safe in, safe out, which I feel absolutely sure you do too.
@Hotoadle
@Hotoadle Жыл бұрын
Good advice but it's not a transfer of weight or indeed mass. As you say that's how it feels. So if it helps that people think it like that, no problem. It is however about balancing forces, acceleration v resistance and friction some of which is smoothed out by tyre compression and suspension work (synaptic feedback which correlates to that feeling of mass transferal) which is important to remember when hitting a rough patch and throttling when you need to come off completely. So as you enter a bend unless you are accelerating the car is decelerating and forces press down the front of the car increasing grip, as you round the bend rebalancing the speed to constant evens grip better to all tryres giving that lovely sense of control and stability, acceleration out of the bend reduces front grip permitting increased use of the castor effect to give the driver a pleasant exit out of the bend. In a modern car making adjustments for corners mostly all this will be psychological - slightly more pleasant - and the he car will even out the driver errors.
@ssrsuspension8247
@ssrsuspension8247 Жыл бұрын
Nice vid, just one nitpick as a Professional Race Engineer (also ex emergency services blue light advanced driver)... Weight transfer would be incorrect and relates to another phenomenon in vehicle dynamics involving the change in a vehicles Ctr of Gravity. Load transfer would be the correct terminology because of the actions and reactions resulting in the chassis response specifically from acceleration and deceleration (loading amd unloading of the unsprung mass) that does not involve a change in the vehicles centre of gravity.
@davidwalsh5467
@davidwalsh5467 11 ай бұрын
What about cornering in towns & cities (which as we know must be taken from around 05-20 mph) in second gear, turning right or left in town? If you apply acceleration before turning in at the low speeds required to make a turn off the road in a town centre and in second gear the power will not be available to hold the vehicle into the corner without driving it wide therefore entering a corners in town should presumably be done either on a trailing throttle in second or under acceleration using first. Comments please!
@mikeroberts
@mikeroberts Жыл бұрын
Nicely explained Reg. Slow in, fast out. Drivers (and riders) worry too much about over slowing. A few mph lost is soon regained. I wonder how long we will have to wait on this video for the 'trail braking' comments to appear?! 😯 I did one on why I generally don't but it's still flavour of the month/year on KZfaq.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
Well, Reg needs to counter this better, instead of just saying heavy and late braking makes the back end squirm. That’s not what trail braking is about. See you’re a bike man so you have the added advantage of getting your wheelbase shortened too while cornering!
@mikeroberts
@mikeroberts Жыл бұрын
@@peterthompson9854 Those 'advantages' are not needed on the road. Safety, Stability, View and Legality are what dictate my speed through corners. I can physically get through most corners way faster than I actually do. Entering the corner with the weight transfer to the front (car or bike), whatever the level of finesse, means you haven't completed your speed phase.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeroberts I completely agree with "view", see my response to @markburton5170. My point to you is that IAM, in my experience, does not successfully counter the trail braking position. If a person is arguing that Roadcraft and IPSGA is wrong, it is unconvincing to quote it like gospel when you counter. Take your response, I'd come back and say that trail braking was not illegal, nor unsafe nor unstable. Then you finish be talking about "properly completing your speed phase", which provides no proof to someone who believes IPSGA is wrong, or at least not always right. I came up against the argument "because that what is said in roadcraft" a lot. I also came up against "you're not on a race track" a lot. These are poor counters. I will try and find your video though... you may have done better. Found and watched the video, short and sweet. More balanced view than most I have heard, although a lot of IPSGA references, but with hints of reasons behind it. There was no mention of balance or stability. Best I've come across.
@mikeroberts
@mikeroberts Жыл бұрын
@@peterthompson9854 Adjusting your speed is relevant using System or not. Where's your gear change if you are still braking and we are discussing stability? OK, if we remove System/IPSGA from the discussion my personal view is that the reason most drivers/riders want to use trail braking is because they can carry much more speed into a corner and their favourite track driver/rider has said it is the way to corner. The downsides, other than the safety aspect of "what's round the corner", is that you are loading the front contributing to unnecessary tyre / brake wear, and when it goes wrong it does so spectacularly. The usual result is for cars to continue on straight into the hedgerow/scenery and on bikes for the front to tuck under with a resulting low side fall. Do I trail brake? As I say in my video there are times: downhill turning into a side road and on extremely short slip roads off dual carriageways. I've followed riders who trail brake and it is extremely off putting with the brake light continually coming on, and in fact that is another risk, the following driver/rider starts filtering out your brake light.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeroberts I think Mike, that I am in agreement with you about pretty much everything. If you haven't already, read my comment to markburton5170 in this section.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
This is a fault that every IAM instructor repeats when talking about/demonstrating this subject, and repeated again here. You demonstrate how unstable the car is by braking heavily into a corner, then demonstrate how stable a car is by accelerating lightly through the corner. If you are as delicate with the brake, hardly slowing the car at all, the same way you use the throttle, you will not upset the balance. And I’ll counter your three reasons with three reasons why this is better, Reg.1) Grip, as you mentioned (but discount by using a heavy braking scenario again), is increased on the front wheels, the ones that are doing the work. 2) Stopping, should something appear round the bend, will be quicker as the car is already in the right attitude to stop, no time will be taken by the car to shift weight from the rear and 3) your foot is already on the brake pedal so thinking time is reduced. Your way is easier to keep steady balance around the corner, granted. Folk are naturally much better at delicate use of the throttle than the brake, but you don’t seriously think that an F1 drive employing trail breaking at the limit of grip is unbalancing the car, do you? No, they have just learnt to use that pedal with finesse (a word I know you like).
@Hotoadle
@Hotoadle Жыл бұрын
Sorta right, but it's more complex. There's momentum from the engine to the wheels, there's lost speed due to steering forces changing velocity, there's the dynamic of grip limits on all four wheels and there's the issue of rear v front wheel drive. What you are saying, is in effect, that the driver comes off the drive, the car is naturally decelerating into the corner, the car is naturally decelerating against resistance and gravity, the use of the footbrake is just another means of decelerating the car: yes! But Reg acknowledges that in the car you've got traction control to balance these forces already doing some braking for you, potentially, unless you're driving a 'real' car from yesteryear. But if you are you'll soon be pushing against grip and maybe braking limits, and that's simply not safe driving. Reg isn't going to suggest drivers do that. He's talking about getting a little advantage and comfort, not applying F1 racing techniques e.g. left foot braking.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@Hotoadle The scenario here is road driving. You are talking about traction control (which will be inert) and grip limits (which will be a long way off), pushing against grip and braking limits, so I am a bit confused, then you mention gravity.......... The point I was making is that a car is no more unbalanced with a slight forward weight bias than a slight rear weight bias. With the slowing forces you mentioned, you would need a little power to keep a neutral front-back distribution, if you argue that that's what is best. Those who argue against slowing into a corner seem automatically to assume this method can only be coupled with aggressive driving, and that's where their argument fails. If we are to convince folk to use reg's method, which is the right one for road driving, we need to drop the grip/balance rhetoric and talk about speed and vision.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 4 ай бұрын
11:43 has that biker been watching your videos?
@AUaudits
@AUaudits 6 ай бұрын
Where can I get a camera pole, like one in the middle of the car?
@JakobusVdL
@JakobusVdL Жыл бұрын
Makes sense Reg, thanks. Sort of explains why its nice to have the 'confidence lift' before a corner, then back on the gas on the way through. What about downhill corners? I find these most difficult to get a comfortable balance, the car will often feel like it is accelerating just because of gravity, and more gas would just push the car wide.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
No, on a downhill bend, weight is bias to the front. Oversteer becomes more likely. Speed increases more readily, you’re right there. I guess you would decelerate more prior to the bend so as to be able to keep a neutral throttle through it. Don’t brake too harshly though!
@JakobusVdL
@JakobusVdL Жыл бұрын
I agree that with less weight on the back wheels, oversteer becomes more likely - if you back off, or brake. Accelerating to stave off the oversteer risk, takes weight off the front, and understeer can ensue@@peterthompson9854 But, let's see what advice Reg Local gives. Where are you Reg???
@markburton5170
@markburton5170 Жыл бұрын
​@@peterthompson9854I am happy to be off the gas on a downhill bend.
@maxtorque2277
@maxtorque2277 Жыл бұрын
Great video Reg with a good explanation of weight transfer and how you FEEL that transfer! One very small terminology gripe (because i'm a physicist 😎 ) mass does not move, it's the that weight does. ie these words should not be used interchangably Weight can simply be though of as where mass acts. The reason the cars body moves/tilts on the springs as you change speed or direction is because of the difference in where that weight acts with time, the ie weight transfer you so correctly explain about 🙂 One other thing i'd add is that on the road, (as opposed to on track) where you are not driving for ultimate performance, if you 'accelerate through the corner' technique is not just smoother, it's safer too. Under positive longitudinal acceleration, ie using the accelerator pedal to provide enough engine power to continually increase the speed of the vehicle as it travels through the bend, the front tyres are not actually operating at their maximum effectivess(grip) because you have removed some weight from them. That means should the corner tighten, or be more slippy than expected for some reason, if you lift off and stop accelerating, the front tyres are now able to provide more lateral ability, ie to tighten the cars cornering line. This is clearly preferable to arriving on the brakes with all the weight already transfered fowards, then the corner tightening or becoming slippy and finding you were already using all of the tyres capbility! In modern cars, especially large SUVs with big tyres that also have little or no steering feel which makes judgement of ultimate tyre grip rather difficult for a driver, this additional "safety net" really does help to prevent car / scenery interfaces... 👍👍👍
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
Not wanting to argue with a scientist, but you assumption seems to be that the front tyres can magic extra grip without affecting the rear. The car always has a finite amount of grip from the four tyres, it’s where you put it that you control. If you loose traction at the front, and lift or brake to move more of your finite total forward, would you not be removing it from the rear!
@Hotoadle
@Hotoadle Жыл бұрын
Hmm.. not a physicist but even I know that weight is a measure of mass; therefore if you attest that weight transfers then mass transfers equally, given that gravity is a constant. To put it another way, if at any moment the car was stopped on a bend and the weight of each wheel measured then there would be no transfer of weight.
@maxtorque2277
@maxtorque2277 Жыл бұрын
@@Hotoadle you start with "i'm not a physicist", no shit, you don't say! lol! Weight is the effect of any acceleration on a mass, yes, that includes gravity as you say, but it also includes the change in local gravity because the mass is changing velocity ie it has an accelerator vector as well. F=MA The actual reason the normal load (vertical force) at the tyres of a car changes as its longitudinal and lateral acceleration changes is because the position of the centre of gravity (where the mass can be considered to effectively act) and the position of the centre of rotation (roll and heave geometrical centers) are OFFSET, forming a couple, and hence a weight transfer.
@maxtorque2277
@maxtorque2277 Жыл бұрын
@@peterthompson9854 I was not talking about a corner at absolute max lateral capability (eg race car on track), but a typical road corner where realistically you should be well within those limits. Here, a rear wards shift due to a positive acceleration through a corner means you have some extra yaw authority to use if you lift off. Modern road cars are set up to push into safe neutral to understeer attitude on a fully trailing throttle so a loss of rear lateral capability is not (these days) much of a problem in most normal road scenarios. Also for a RWD car, reducing drive torque loads front tyres due to fowards weight transfer, but also increases rear tyre adhesion as tractive effort is reduced (longitudinal load) leaving more for lateral use
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@maxtorque2277 Forgive me, when you talked about accelerating through the corner you made it clear you were talking about road driving, then when you compared it to braking into a bend you talked about arriving with ALL the weight transferred forward, implying a much more aggressive approach. So I was a little confused, as this was not indicative of measured road driving..
@AliveGhost13
@AliveGhost13 Жыл бұрын
What happened with the M2 Reg?
@Frohicky1
@Frohicky1 6 ай бұрын
I think it might be Newton's First Law rather than his Third that is relevant here.
@colingreen2320
@colingreen2320 Жыл бұрын
So! 😊
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin Жыл бұрын
Drive through the bend.
@kolibriorvil1
@kolibriorvil1 Жыл бұрын
I am actually trying to apply this principle since more than 2 years and I still cannot do it right. Every time I approach a corner I am either faster than I should be or if my speed is correct and I try to press the gas as I am entering the corner, my speed is increasing more than it should and the car still feels a bit nervous. I keep trying, but I feel I need to slow down too much for the turn in order for this technique to work as expected. Do you have any advice? And also when going downhill, how should this be applied? Should I still be on the gas when going downhill? I think I will never get my speed correct that way.
@JakobusVdL
@JakobusVdL Жыл бұрын
Maybe you're 'pressing the gas' too hard? I think its a case of gently accelerating rather than planting the pedal to the floor. Downhill corners are more of a challenge, I'm not sure what to suggest there.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
Have you checked out Reg's previous video looking at limit points in depth. These two in conjunction with each other should really work for you. Like the previous responder says, it's gentle, almost an imperceivable gaining/maintaining in speed so that the car is settled all the way around the bend, while watching and assessing that limit point. As for downhill bends, you can slow more before the bend to compensate for the increase in speed later...and/or (better IMO) lightly brake into and all the way through the bend, maintaining speed and release brakes on exit, if appropriate. Like Reg's method for bends (on the flat), this will produce a single transfer of weight in the corner from equally over both front wheels to the one on the outside. Nice and simple and easy to manage and to perform with beautiful smoothness.
@kolibriorvil1
@kolibriorvil1 Жыл бұрын
@@peterthompson9854 "lightly brake into and all the way through the bend, maintaining speed and release brakes on exit, if appropriate." I am not sure that holding my foot on the brake pedal with even light pressure all the way through the bend is a good choice. Especially if your car is full with people and there are 20 bends ahead. You will run out of brakes very quickly. Normally, I am keeping a lower gear when going downhill and try to use the brakes as little as possible, so I can have them at 100% in case of emergency.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@kolibriorvil1 You didn't mention you were going downhill for extended periods when you first asked the question. You seem to be well aware of the procedure to employ, did I miss the point behind your question? So low gear, the warning signs will tell you this, and brake to manage speed when required. In an automatic, there is usually a gear box setting or a manual override for this scenario that drivers should familiarise themselves with.
@mosesbirungi2235
@mosesbirungi2235 Жыл бұрын
How about cornering on a steep decent
@MaciejJankowskiPL
@MaciejJankowskiPL 12 күн бұрын
Brake in corner if necessary. Keep the speed appropriate. Brake stronger on straights and lighter on bends.
@CurboroughSprinter
@CurboroughSprinter Жыл бұрын
This is for safe road driving right? What about trail braking? This is not the right technique for going as fast as possible on a track. “Balancing” the car to me is about having it on the limit of adhesion. This technique isn’t balance - it’s about stability in the dry. In the wet you may end up just understeering.
@waldolemmer
@waldolemmer Жыл бұрын
What about the fact that giving gas increases the grip requirement of the driven wheels? Is it negligible compared to the grip increase due to weight transfer?
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
Are you talking about the tyre stretching to give a larger contact patch?
@waldolemmer
@waldolemmer Жыл бұрын
@@peterthompson9854 No, I'm talking about the tire breaking loose because the torque is larger than the friction force
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@waldolemmer If you are driving the steering wheels, then you are indeed increasing the workload at the same time as decreasing the grip. But your question leads me think you are talking about driving the rear wheels. In which case, I don't understand the logic behind your question. Giving gas will increase the grip at the same time as the grip requirement, making the breaking of traction less likely.... up to the point you mention of course. It is therefore irrelevant which effect is the primary one as they they are both increasing grip. If the rear brakes away under power, it is most likely that a demand has been made on the tyre before weight transfer has taken affect (ie, the throttle has been stomped on and shocked the tyre). Or there is a change in surface the tyre is interacting with (say you hit some diesel), in which case more throttle will induce oversteer and less throttle will induce oversteer. Best of luck with that one!
@waldolemmer
@waldolemmer Жыл бұрын
@@peterthompson9854 So giving gas increases traction in this case as long as you do it slowly enough to allow the weight to transfer. Got it, thanks
@aztimms
@aztimms Жыл бұрын
You're only accelerating to maintain speed so the torque grip demand is indeed negligible and again is indeed outweighed by the advantage of increased grip on the driven wheels. Even on a FWD - the engine being mounted ahead of the axel line, it's weight is thrown back & down onto the front wheels during acceleration (& hill climbing) improving their grip.
@LysanderLH
@LysanderLH 11 ай бұрын
I would like to see an episode where these AD techniques are applied while driving a Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor car. They’re heavier and weighted differently to cars with engines and handle differently.
@tajdarkhan3236
@tajdarkhan3236 Ай бұрын
What you wanna say???
@evolad2463
@evolad2463 Жыл бұрын
0:04 you know you arent allowed to show german license plate's right? germany will sue
@Equinoxious342
@Equinoxious342 Жыл бұрын
You’re actually on my favourite road. Did the drivers who brake all the way down the descents infuriate you? Something else to mention is warning the car what’s ahead by starting to load the car early. Loading the tyre blocks with the slightest of turns of the wheel, this then begins the process of a smooth load transfer. What I did notice was that you’re lengthening the corners. Good on road driving, again it smooths out the journey.
@glideman
@glideman Жыл бұрын
This is nothing new, I’ve been doing it for years. It’s common sense!
@RogueBrit
@RogueBrit Жыл бұрын
Vanishing point... Not limit point
@dom24363
@dom24363 Жыл бұрын
An excellent film. The remake, not so much.
@stevesmith7530
@stevesmith7530 Жыл бұрын
My first thought..... Get your thumbs out of that wheel! It does not improve grip, does increase risk. Your braking/accelerating at the beginning is less a demonstration of the 3rd law of motion (action/reaction), but of the 1st law, things want continue as they were. Weight transfer is mostly about the 1st law, which could be simply summed up as momentum to the average person. The weight moves forward because it wants to keep going forward, momentum. I admit, I was only half watching after that, a phone call got in the way, did you cover one of the biggest problems for new drivers on country roads, the easy way to find a ditch or tree, lift-off oversteer?
@Hotoadle
@Hotoadle Жыл бұрын
No problem with thumbs. Quite a useful technique at times. The thumb issue is a myth. At most you'd keep your thumbs out on an old off roader without pas.
@stevesmith7530
@stevesmith7530 Жыл бұрын
@@Hotoadle Until a kerb, a pothole, rotten sleeping policeman, someone driving into you. Or worse, the airbag. As someone who attends RTCs, I come across many dislocated/broken thumbs, so it is a a myth that it is a myth :) The natural inclination when things are going wrong is to grip harder, so holding in a way that means the hands and wheel are not so firmly connected has better results. The wheel can move in the hands, the airbag can force the hands off with less damage. First thing any racer learns, from carting up is to not grip, and if it starts going very wrong, let go. Being of a certain age, I remember the Mk2 XR2 which had a steering wheel that could not have been designed better to create such injuries if it were intentional. If you insist on thumbs in, an old off-roader (pas is irrelevant) is actually the best vehicle to do it in, because they have so much slop designed into the steering system.
@peterthompson9854
@peterthompson9854 Жыл бұрын
@@stevesmith7530 lightly holding the wheel for Karting and track driving is more about maximising steering feel than broken thumbs. And I’m assuming that you’re thumbs in comment for your sloppy off-roader is not while it’s being driven off road (just for clarity and less broken thumbs)
@leighvaughton2740
@leighvaughton2740 Жыл бұрын
Slow down.
@JakobusVdL
@JakobusVdL Жыл бұрын
watch the video again - "its not about mega speed through corners"
@lockenessmotorsports818
@lockenessmotorsports818 Жыл бұрын
Na i have fun but also use common sense
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