I forgot about that one holy crap.

you have to punch the box to remove it, I tried killing the archvile there but I couldn't because for some reason the game wouldn't let me on the platform

that invisible wall doesnt appear to me

@@lucaspeixesanto5105 yeah. I was seeing hmmp's playthrough and apparently I was wrong

Wtf, are you here because of the recent slayer talisman leak?

@@gray7623 what no, Its because I play doom eternal way too much.

@@HellCastleYT Oh same!, hmm just wish there was a doom set referenced in hypixel like a slayer set where if there is more mobs around you, you deal more damage or a talisman one. Oh well let's see what the admins do

Wtf I didn’t expect you to be here lol

@@gray7623 thatd be sick

Try thrust, horse but

Beware, large chest ahead

Try finger, but hole.

Praise the sun !!

Don't give up skeleton

yep

Lot of people saying that this is just to make speedrunning bad, but honestly from the stream I think their just messing with us now.

@@omiheaddev7090 they've got their money, now they can blood punch our balls for true hell on earth

@Jacob Truman That's not something we ever wanted and did our best to make that very clear

@@MetaSpeedruns It's pretty upsetting to see it happen with Doom Eternal where it's obvious the devs want you to play the game the "right" way. The same thing happened with Hollow Knight where Team Cherry donated a ton during GDQ for the glitchless category, but the following year for the any% run they didn't show up at all, then patched out every glitch that was showcased about two weeks later.

Yooo is mayo good to see you around supporting smaller creators

Love your vids

full auto is getting a buff soon

That makes no sense

Yeah bro let's go back to hallways and high canyon walls separating everything

maybe atleast one of those red walls pops up as you hit the invisible wall lighting the whole thing up and a little thunk noise would be nice

More importantly wtf is the point of patching these jumps? Like the average player does not give a shit about this as they’ll focus on the game but speed runners seriously wouldn’t complain about certain skips and want them patched?

@@Llortor id have a high canyon wall seperate me rather than an invisible wall anyday

Why provide enhanced mobility if you're just gonna take away all uses enhanced mobility offers

@@crassiewassie8354 True

@@crassiewassie8354 enhanced mobility shouldn't make you fly accross the universe tho. Btw those fixes are pointless because many of the skips they tried to patch only effect any% speed runners but any% speed runners play on old patches to get all the glitches in the first place.

Illusonary Wall Ahead

They don't know how to fix the causes of the "problem", which is the movement glitches (mostly related to FPS, I imagine), so they "fix" walls and skyboxes

@@jodyhighroller6436 are you seriously thinking any% speedrunners dont play a game normaly

@@shagaru1234 I think the point is that many of those skips were easy enough to normal players do and they didn't want this to happen.

@@jodyhighroller6436 your reply was so stupid I'm going to give you an opportunity to not continue this further.

My guess would be that it has something to do with the same mindset that made the max ammo so much lower; it pushes the player to play the way the devs want you to. Hear me out: In Doom(16) you could play in a bunch of different ways. Sure, there were "better" ways and "worse" ways, "easier" and "harder" ways, but there were still a lot of options. You could play the entire game with just the shotgun if you wanted to. You didnt have to, but you could. In Eternal, on the other hand, unless you are playing on the lowest difficulty and have cheats on, you can't. You pretty much have to play the game in a specific way, or in a close variant of it. You are forced by the sheer lack of ammo to switch weapons, use the chainsaw on the lower enemies at specific times, and so on. Whether or not you think that is the "optimal" or "best" way to play isnt really relevant, it takes player choice away. Extend this to level design: there are hundreds of examples of completely unnecessary invisible walls to block any way to progress except the way the devs decided was the "right" and therefore "only" way. It removes player choice for the sake of being what a small subset of the community would consider to be the "best" way.

Bold of you to assume they know that's a feature in the game

Yeah, who let the fallout 76 team work on this game?

*effect

@@KeifersIsAwesome Actually you’re wrong wherever you use affect or effect depends on context and in this context affect is correcto Example: This as no effect on me Example: This will does not affect me Not to do example: This will effect me This has no affect on me

@@daubeny6796 I'm just taking the piss. I actually don't care.

I would love that sort of thing. Especially when people talk about invasion mode, just have invasion mode be opt in, and when you do, THEN just box every arena in with invisible walls.

@@BloodShot9001 with Hugo talking about how having diferent spawns for each difficulty is extremely complicated to add for the engine, along side other comments about engine limitations, makes me think that working in a suggestion like yours much more complicated than you make it sound, of course neither of us would know how complicated would actually be, but i assume changing the location of invisible walls with a setting would be fairly complicated right? Especially since it's changing the entire map

@@gueton5200 it depends. On one hand, Master Levels are able to do that, ala Super Gore Nest, as it actually has less walls than base Super Gore Nest, but also a few more added ones with different triggers. On the other hand... Super Gore Nest ML was a mess on launch. I will fully admit, game dev is hard and none of us know anything about what id's going through. A lot of the ideas/suggestions are with the caveat of "if they could work it in," but even if not I'd rather them say it'd take too much development time for such a small portion of the playerbase.

@@BloodShot9001 yeah whatever way it goes i want ID to be a bit more straightfoward with what they are changing and why, even something like the TAG 1 nerfs could've been more neutered when it comes to community reaction if it said in the patch notes what changed and why rather than just making shadow updates and almost hoping no one notices

@@gueton5200 unfortunately that's just how they roll, apparently. They've added extra waves to fights before without saying anything (Doom Hunter Base after the "train ride"), and they made Unmaykr no longer work with Overdrive (might have been a bug, but from launch until half-way through TAG1's life cycle?) without uttering anything. It's just so inane and disheartening. :T At the end of the day they don't owe us anything I'll admit, but it'd still be nice to at least get some cohesive patch notes.

I hope it's Bethshitsa forcing id to do it and not some shitty philosophy change id had.

They don't hate speed runners they said before that they are thinking about different ways to engage with the speed runners community on way was to fix some of their glitches to make them have new things to do instead of just figuring one way to speed run the game then leaving to the next game

@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 why will bethesda give any fuck about speed runners lol

I'm not actually sure which one we're referring about? I know they changed how the physics on sloped surfaces work, so certain dash boosts won't work, but every skip on DHB should still work I believe (maybe not 100% skips?).

@@BloodShot9001 im refering to the boss skip, the wall to go out of bounds was technically patched, so you be high up enough to mantle on an invisible ledge, here's a video about it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7-jYNyFuZ7Nnpc.html

pov: you cant think of a comment but want to get likes anyways

I often think about that sort of thing.

So it's not the weapon wheel itself. What I'm doing is falling off a ledge and using the slow-mo from weapon wheel to do so. You'll see my "fall" but then I won't keep falling, only slightly. What this does is it puts me at a lower height than the ledge I'm falling off of while still staying there. Then I dash into it. This gives a dash boost, but in particular it gives a very high dash boost.

It’s such a waste of resources they could’ve fixed actual bugs like the blood punch not working but they’d rather ruin speed runs

@@huntertierney5495 They did fix that.

people unironically belive that speedrunners speedrun before playing the game casuality so i dont doubt that the devs do too

I think they fix bugs and invisible walls to make it more challenging for speed runners, Hugo martin mentioned it on the 27 minute speed run video

@@spear_jack9326 it only took them a year

It's weird to think Doom was and still is such a big part of speedrunning history, and yet Doom Eternal is the black sheep when it comes to people's view on speedrunning it.

That's definitely the thought process. We've just never heard any news about it in patch notes or anything, they just do these changes and we have to figure them all out.

@@BloodShot9001 It's also just suspicious that they seem to place walls EXACTLY where strategies took place in speedruns during previous patches. Whereas other areas that are known, but not necessarily in speedruns, get left alone

It benefits me, knowing any% speedrunner can't cheese their campaigns.

It's probably for invasion mode so demons with flight ability that get dropped in don't exploit spots the slayer can't normally reach.

Go in game, "arsenal" tab, "customize weapon wheel".

Ah yes, because I've never shot anything before in this game, I only skipped the shooting. Of course.

You can still definitely do most of these skips in different ways even at 60 fps. For instance, the Rocket Launcher arena in particular you can do a punch boost off the Mancubus closest to the start (with weapon wheel if you need just that much extra speed). And in the case of the TAG1 walls, those don't require high fps at all.

Long story short no. Slope Boosts got patched out after version 1.1. What I'm doing with the weapon wheel is slowing down time to line myself up, and "fall off" of a ledge while still being close enough not to fall too far. This lets me get a dash boost off of squared off surfaces/ledges.

@@BloodShot9001 thanks for the response

If you have it on steam, you can downpatch. There are resources in the speedrunning discord.

Physical version if you have it

The issue is when there's other exploits that would be far worse for said invaders. Stuff like the Invulnerability Glitch, which has been in since TAG1, are still a thing. And again, I don't mind if they're prepping for Invasion, it makes the most sense given the context, I just wish they'd say "Removed so and so skip/patched so and so wall for Invasion prep".

Because hugo is dumb. He love speedrunners just to break them after.

Invisible walls are minor problems. This game is going downhill especially with latest dlc and bullshit changes to dlc1 and main game.

@@SquerolBoss most of the changes are going to be reverted, and i have not noticed any changes to the main game unless you mean the demon nerfs,of which have already been addressed as bugs in case of the marauder, or will be reverted/partially reverted for certain dificulties if possible in case of the arachnotron

speedrunning isnt in the fun zone, i guess

It's probably for invasion mode so demons with flight ability that get dropped in don't exploit spots the slayer can't normally reach.

Oh no, people couldn't play the levels beforehand while these existed.

I think they’re doing this for Invasion mode

No no that's not for invasion mode they are not working on it. We will see it in 2023 or late 2022. Not now

"We have this new meathook target for the dlc that players can use for traversal!" "OH that's great! We can make an arena where you're forced into purple goo, surrounded by all sides, but we'll include meathook targets so there's always a movement option!" "Good idea, except instead of that, let's add an invisible column in the center for the fight only to restrict meathook movement."

It's probably for invasion mode so demons with flight ability that get dropped in don't exploit spots the slayer can't normally reach.

Does anyone want invasion mode? Personally I dont at all it sounds boring but i never had fun with battlemode

Yeah, that's fine, but why haven't they ever put anything in patch notes explaining this? That's the point I want to get across, that they don't explain these things and leave the players guessing. It's like with Overdrive no longer working with Unmaykr, they just changed it after 6+ months if it being a thing, and people weren't sure if it was a bug it got changed, or if it was always a bug in the first place, because they never mentioned anything in patch notes.

Invasion mode doesn't exist. This is purely for dicking over speedrunners. If these walls only existed at the same time invasion mode finally appeared, you'd have an arguement. But 1.2? Nope, that's purely a "screw speedrunners" move.

Invasion my ass. Faked pre-release video is all we got about invasions.

@@SquerolBoss Wish we’d get a real deathmatch mode instead with a weapon wheel. Doomslayer vs Doomslayer instead of this BS Battlemode crap and Invasion bull.