Allen Berg Open Lapping at Laguna Seca 8/29/23

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Daniel Kulas

Daniel Kulas

Күн бұрын

Read on for my perspective on how to get the most out of attending Allen Berg Racing School ABRS.
00:00 - Pits
02:08 - No traffic
07:34 - No traffic
14:35 - Fastest lap 1;43.8ish
18:28 - No traffic
Driving the #6 Tatuus Renault Formula 1600
These are purpose built racecars - they are raw. No ABS. No stability control. They are stiff and twitchy to drive.
Understand what this means should you step over the limit.
The 3 day school speaks briefly on vehicle dynamics, but not enough to really explore what these cars are capable of. If you never experienced things like oversteer or understeer, I'd recommend driving a race kart - LO206 ideally due to low power and low cost - and explore what the dynamics of driving are like without the effects of weight transfer. The engine being in the rear means it's vastly easier to rotate the rear of the car, and if you can't catch a spin due to this weight transfer effect, you're going to have a bad time. If you try to drive these cars hard without understanding what is going on, you're probably going to be leaving this event with a big bill to pay for.
Really focus on driving The Line. Precision is necessary with these cars due to lower ride height and stiffer suspension. An early apex might mean you eat that blue inside curb which can launch your car in the air, risking losing control or possibly damaging the car. Attempting to get back on the throttle while being wide off the line could also push your off track leading to some off-roading where car damage becomes possible.
Respect the 5k RPM limit the school informs you on, unless you're willing to carry more risk. The gearing that is suggested to you is a "safe" gearing. You'll never be in a powerband where the power/torque is unmanageable with their 3rd-4th-5th gearing they suggest. Throughout this particular day, I was trying out corners in a gear lower and found the car can handle it just fine, but there is a lot more power you need to be able to control.
Avoid pushing yourself with these cars unless you're willing to risk the consequences. I recall someone in my group the first time I attended, lost it at turn 4. They said they lifted in the middle of the corner due to being uncomfortable with what they were experiencing, and as a result, lost the rear and hit the wall on in the inside where the front wing needed replacing - a few thousand dollars down the drain. I, myself, had a moment through turn 9 in this car where I wanted to see how it would react with an abrupt lift. In a blink of an eye, the dynamics of the car changed so drastically where a big heaping dose of opposite lock was required to keep the car pointed in the right direction. A stiff suspension means undesirable tire slip can occur rather abruptly.
Speaking on the suspension, combined with the low ride height, means getting a wheel in the dirt carries a larger risk of losing complete control verses getting a wheel off in a road car with thousands of pounds of weight to keep traction and stability. Allen himself looked at me with grave concern while watching my video due to how little margin I was leaving on some of these exit curbs.
These cars aren't any more physically demanding than when I do a sprint race in Spec Miata with SCCA, but they are physically demanding if you're not used to it. The standard advice of drinking water throughout the day is smart. One thing I personally do is if I make 3 severe mistakes during a session, I bring the car in. Severe meaning an almost total lost of control. I trust my ability to save the car during corrections, but if it's happening consistently, it's best to stop for a moment. Find what works best for you.
I attended this 1-day advanced to see how my driving progressed after entering several regional races in Spec Miata. These cars bring out your driving craft that a road car may mask.
How smooth are you with your inputs?
These cars drive like a sort of "point and shoot"; almost like it's on rails. Rough inputs will be exasperated.
How well do you take your line?
Mentioned above regarding precision.
How committed are you carrying more speed, especially at the sketchier parts of Laguna Seca, relative to the risk you are accepting?
Stepping over the limit means sudden, abrupt corrections are needed to keeping it on the road.
I recommend this school and car if you already have experience behind the wheel - like karts and track days.
If you're a complete beginner looking to get into the sport, I'd suggest getting in a kart first. It'll save you money while you learn the basics and you'll get more out of the experience of ABRS once you do attend.
That said, the experience of driving these cars is incredible. Both times I attended (3-day, 1-day), I had an instructor provide perspective to me that truly helped with my driving ability and race craft. Hopefully the same will happen for you.

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@Create-n-fix-with-Nick
@Create-n-fix-with-Nick 11 ай бұрын
Really cool!
@TheTReed78
@TheTReed78 3 ай бұрын
Nice, hit a 42.1 last week, just uploaded it. What did you think of the classroom part?
@DanielKulas
@DanielKulas 3 ай бұрын
I watched your video - nice laps. I did the 3 day in 2021 so it's a distant memory, but I recall it being a lot like any other sort of classroom session at an HDPE, or stuff my SCCA club puts on. It lacked of lot of nuance but I get the need to not overwhelm. They didn't really dwell into the "racing" part of the racing school, but I found when I did this 1 day, talking with the instructors 1-on-1 about race craft was really useful.
@TheTReed78
@TheTReed78 3 ай бұрын
@@DanielKulas thanks! yea i felt the same. ZERO racecaft, zero useful drills in real racings situations, zero accident avoidance drills, etc, its was just the basics which as a sim racer for 10 years wasn't useful. The one on one with the coach was in fact useful especially for turn 2 and i found myself taking their advice and getting faster. To my shock the coach i had after one session hadn't even driven the car before! You'd think that would be a qualifier for the job, so bizarre... It was more of a series of glorified extremely expensive track days imo, but either way got the cert, and doing about 2-3 events this year in a Rush SR. Car comes in June, can't wait.
@DanielKulas
@DanielKulas 3 ай бұрын
@@TheTReed78 I did a skip barber school back in 2016 and it was the same thing. A track day with a bunch of people who didn’t feel comfortable on a racetrack lol The instructors I had with this school were also a mix of actual drivers, one a current Mx-5 cup driver, a former Indy car driver, one LMP3 driver, but I remember there being a sim racer or two, which I didn’t care to hear their opinions or perspectives. I think the problem with running an actual race problem ultimately comes down to insurance. These are businesses that deals with liabilities and you know there’s going to be someone who doesn’t understand the risks and wants to sue for something dumb. There are always people completely off the pace at these things. For actual race craft you’re better off finding a competent coach for one on one help, though they can be expensive from what I hear. I haven’t found a need for one yet as each race teaches me more than before.
@TheTReed78
@TheTReed78 3 ай бұрын
@@DanielKulas haha no kidding, i've heard its better but yea 2016 wasn't that long ago i'm sure its still the same. Yep i think we had the same coaches, there was Buno, Kyle, Jeff the indy/lmp main teacher/coach, can't remember the other names. Yea there might be something to the insurance side of it, maybe I'll call up there after my cert shows up and talk to Robin and possibly Jeff or Allen about that. They obviously know what they're teaching is not directly useful to actual wheel to wheel racing.
@DanielKulas
@DanielKulas 3 ай бұрын
@@TheTReed78 ah! Jeff! He dropped some serious life knowledge on me when I asked him about some contact I got involved in during a race haha I won’t ever forget that. It certainly reframed my perspective on wheel to wheel racing
@TheTReed78
@TheTReed78 3 ай бұрын
They actually black flagged me for "noise" revving out as high as you. I found short shifting a bit wasn't any slower...needless to say the power was "not as advertised"... was kinda pissed about that.
@DanielKulas
@DanielKulas 3 ай бұрын
ha Maybe they had bad experiences with people trying to drive fast but running out of talent. I never had a problem with them about it the two times I went. These cars feel like the Miata of Formula cars with the lack of power. I mainly like them for being a purpose-built racecar. The handling and feel are unmatched from the handful of road cars I raced.
@TheTReed78
@TheTReed78 3 ай бұрын
@@DanielKulas They're a blast once you get moving. The talent side of things is definitely a concern, this is why its important to teach your students what they'll actually experience on the race track. Its a "racing school" not hpde school is the way i look at it. Anyone that got their cert there and then dove right into wheel to wheel racing would be totally unprepared.
@DanielKulas
@DanielKulas 3 ай бұрын
@@TheTReed78 totally agree. I question how many people that attend these things actually go on to race though. It feels like most are there to scratch off a line on their bucket list. I don’t have a problem with that but it’d be nice if they’d have a run group for those driving like they’re out for a Sunday cruise and a group for those that want to learn the racing part. Passing exercises, practice starts, closely following another driver, which I found surprisingly difficult, defending, etc. I wonder how other schools do things.
@TheTReed78
@TheTReed78 3 ай бұрын
@@DanielKulas yea i suppose that's fair to a degree, many two different levels like you're proposing is needed. There was a A and B group for faster and slower drivers, but if course the classroom is the same. Point being they could do it... I talked to a friend who's an instructor and he said a school like Skip Barber, or Level Up at Road America is completely different. They teach racecraft, proper drills etc...but you're driving miatas or those awful skippy cars with no aero.
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